putting an embargo on japanese petroleum imports when america had nothing to do with their war of imperialism in china and korea. go read some, it was viewed as an act of war by the japanese.

you're not one to think poor old america was just sitting there minding their own business and the evil japanese thirst for blood lead them to just want to murder everyone in the world.



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edit: f*** it, it's the weekend.

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i could (retardedly) interpret your post as an act of war and decide to firebomb the s*** out of your house, doubt it'll hold up as a legitimate defence in court though.

please do. There are so many more interesting questions out there than the ones that conspiracy nuts insist on asking

German successes in Europe encouraged Japan to increase pressure on European governments in south-east Asia. The Dutch government agreed to provide Japan oil supplies from the Dutch East Indies, while refusing to hand over political control of the colonies. Vichy France, by contrast, agreed to a Japanese occupation of French Indochina. [117] The United States, United Kingdom, and other Western governments reacted to the seizure of Indochina with a freeze on Japanese assets, while the United States (which supplied 80 percent of Japan's oil[118]) responded by placing a complete oil embargo.[119] The seizure meant Japan was essentially forced to choose between abandoning its ambitions in Asia and the prosecution of the war against China, or seizing the natural resources it needed by force; the Japanese military did not consider the former an option, and many officers considered the oil embargo an unspoken declaration of war.[120]

to quote wikipedia.

cainer maybe if you read more than your loose change websites you'd know you are pretty much wrong on every thing you said there.

Edit: regarding the crash sites

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shoot me down then, i'm keen

On my phone atm makes it hard to post links and stuff. Will post later. Just one thing to check though. Go to YouTube and search for '9/11 pentagon crash animation'. It makes it pretty clear it was a plane that hit the pentagon. Those search terms may be wrong though.

Edit: I just checked and it was the first result on my phone. 6:16 was the length of the vid. Do everyone a favour and post it here. It will really take some Gal/euph style denial to refute it.

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http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon_crash05.jpg

explain away the wings

oh god, i tried to stay away but i can't. are you actually retarded?

you realise that France and Holland were occupied by ze germans in 1941... it's not really a surprise that they cooperated with Japan, seeing as how they were allied to Germany and all...

economic sanctions are a perfectly reasonable and acceptable response to unprovoked aggression from a country to its neighbours. just because that country interpreted that as an act of war doesn't mean it is one. in fact i bet many people would argue that the US had a moral obligation not to supply oil to Japan knowing full well what it would be used for (primarily for war on its neighbours).

i'll paraphrase what i posted before - i deleted it cause i didn't want to get sucked into this black hole of wasted time and sub-80 IQs, gg self control. just because japan interpreted an economic sanction as an act of war, doesn't mean it was one.

edit: ok he's clearly f***ing loopy. i'm a little disappointed i wasted the time typing this post :(

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its well known public opinion in america at the time was for them minding their own business. going to war was not an option, the people of the day wanted nothing to do with it.

and how does the american machine turn public opinion before they go to war. create an outrage, stoke patriotism, paint an enemy, people demand to go and fight.

time and time again.

i've already explained ww2, everyone knows the WMD's were a load of s***, but here we go for ww1

RMS Lusitania was an ocean liner owned by the Cunard Line and built by John Brown and Company of Clydebank, Scotland. She was torpedoed by the SM U-20, a German U-boat on 7 May 1915 and sank in eighteen minutes, eight miles (15 km) off the Old Head of Kinsale, Ireland, killing 1,198 of the 1,959 people aboard. The sinking turned public opinion in many countries against Germany, and was instrumental in bringing the United States into World War I.[4] It is considered the second most famous civilian passenger liner disaster, after the sinking of the RMS Titanic.[5] The sinking of the Lusitania caused great controversy, which persists to this day. In the aftermath of the sinking, the German government tried to justify it by claiming in an official statement that she had been armed with guns, and had "large quantities of war material" in her cargo.[6] They also stated that since she was classed as an auxiliary cruiser, Germany had had a right to destroy her regardless of any passengers aboard, and that the warnings issued by the German Embassy before her sailing plus the 18 February note declaring the existence of "war zones", relieved Germany of any responsibility for the deaths of American citizens aboard.[7] While it was true that the Lusitania had been fitted with gun mounts as part of government loan requirements during her construction, to enable rapid conversion into an Armed Merchant Cruiser (AMC) in the event of war, the guns themselves were never fitted. However, she was still listed officially as an AMC.[8] Her cargo had included an estimated 4,200,000 rounds of rifle cartridges, 1,250 empty shell cases, and 18 cases of non-explosive fuses[9], all of which were listed in her manifest, but the cartridges were not officially classed as ammunition by the Cunard Line.[10]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Lusitania_warning.jpg


and vietnam

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is the name given to two separate incidents involving the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964 the US destroyer USS Maddox while performing a DeSoto mission, was engaged by three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron[5], a sea battle, in which the Maddox expended over 280 3" and 5" shells, and which involved the strafing from four USN F8 Crusader jet fighter bombers, all of which resulted in the damage to one US aircraft, one 14.5mm hit on the destroyer, 3 damaged torpedo boats, and 4 NVN KIA and 6 WIA; with no US casualties.[6] The second Tonkin Gulf incident, which occurred on August 4, 1964, was also a naval battle, but this time, may have involved the "Tonkin Ghosts"[7], and no actual NVN Torpedo Boat attacks. The outcome of this second incident was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying US conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam. In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[8] that USS Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the engagement of August 4. The report stated [I]t is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[9]

and i'm the loopy one for not believing in documented hisotry ?

what time is hungry beast on?

just because japan interpreted an economic sanction as an act of war, doesn't mean it was one.

i'm sure in 1941 the japanese officers who made decisions on which way the war was going really wondered if you would care in 2010. to them it was an act of war which was the primary reason and the precursor to the attack on pearl harbour. its documented history.... i don't know what else there is to say on that matter.

Haha cue the walls and walls of copy pasted text. I was onto something with my Gal/euph remark it seems :) You are just as dumb as a creationist cainer how does that feel?

no you're f***ing loopy for drawing utterly retarded conclusions based on faulty logic.

you saying that the USA even partially caused pearly harbour by enacting economic sanctions against japan is analagous to this:

if i tell you that unless you keep doing something that i want you to do i'll punch you in your stupid face, and then you proceed to ignore my threat and stop doing whatever it is that i want you to do leading to me punching you in your stupid face; is it my fault or your fault that your stupid face has now been punched?

actually it's a better analogy if the threat is implied rather than being explicit but it doesn't affect the point i'm making.

edit: ??? noone's mad, i used a face punch as a generic example of a threat of doing something bad to someone. i also called you stupid because, well, you're pretty thick. i should have used back punch in hindsight, more qgl relevant

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http://healium.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg

Haha wow now an image macro. Just because you had your girlfriend flown in doesn't justify your bias toward Japan dimwit.

So there wasn't any north vietnamese people attacking on the night in question, but they had already been attacked by the north vietnamese on another night. So they fudged the dates a little, who cares, they were still attacked, still seems like a good enough reason to pass that resolution.

All that stuff with WW2 and vietnam and WW1 that you posted just sounds like people playing politics to me, I don't see coverups and conspiracies, I just see people playing politics. Its all a game of he said this, but then this other guy said that, each giving the truth their own spin to make themselves look better. Hardly a new thing.

WMDs were a crock of s***. you all must admit that.

Well yeah obviously. But to all the 9/11 truthers: if the US could pull off 9/11, how come they couldn't plant WMDs?

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so there they were, in a war zone they weren't official involved in, in another countries waters, transporting supplies to the south... not spoiling for a fight ?


and the great thing is, this event which was a lie, lead to 2million vietnamese dead, 58000 americans dead, 500 australians dead, cost how many billions of dollars, spread how many toxic chemicals on a country.



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Well yeah obviously. But to all the 9/11 truthers: if the US could pull off 9/11, how come they couldn't plant WMDs?

Because that would mean carting heavy munitions thousands of kilometres to Iraq. Everyone knows Americans are really lazy.

There isn't a conspiracy in creating these events but there seems to be one in making sure no one is held accountable for them. As if someone shouldn't lose their head over that s***, or the financial collapse. Hell you'd think even the documents that showed that they were informed about Binladen planning an attack in the US would be enough for someone to get stabbed in the f***.

Instead the only thing that seems to see heads roll in American politics is when a polly is unfaithful to their wife. Who really gives a s*** who they shag?

Also, Aliens. They're out there man!

Guess you should be looking at how crazy it is to say everyone is a raving lunatic that has a theory about a conspiracy. I think you should also look up the definition trog

heh wat

the definition of what

your post, even though don't understand it, is the absolute epitome of the conspiracy theorist lunatic. Yes, I believe basically everyone that has a conspiracy theory is a raving lunatic. Because that's the way the evidence points.

and i'm sure conspiracy theorists were derided, heckled, called raving lunatics if they dared question the motive for say, world war 1 being anything other then saving the world from evil.

how about most recently.. good old swine flu.

the pandemic that wasn't.

yet it was all over the media, the government ran ads, millions of vaccines were made. quite an attempt to get you to pay (directly or indirectly) to make some medical companies very rich over nothing.

and the rational voices that questioned the death ratio compared to normal flu were drowned out with hysterics like 'yeah but this is worse'.

and i'm sure conspiracy theorists were derided, heckled, called raving lunatics if they dared question the motive for say, world war 1 being anything other then saving the world from evil.

not only does this not respond to what trog said, it's downright dopey.

claiming that ww1 was fought to save the world from evil is just as stupid as the claims you're making in this thread. that's probably why you won't find anyone credible claiming that.

more strawmen plz.

edit: haha from ww1 to swine flu? THEY'RE ALL OUT TO GET YOU, RUN NOW!!@#

see the pennsylvania air crash site... no engines, no landing hear, no wings, nothing just a few scattered bits of metal, second air crash ever that obliterated an entire airframe.

see the pentagon crash site... 1 frame, no plane, next frame convenient explosion. no engine debris, no wing entry points, no nothing except a hole in the side of the building. first air crash ever to obliterate an entire airframe.

Yeah, no wing impact points or debris AT ALL. I see your research skills are simply awesome if that is the conclusion you came to regarding the pentagon crash site. Because of your utterly retarded conclusion on that front I am going to take the liberty of ignoring your other s***ty Gal style Wall of Text style arguments. I'll let other people point out how you are wrong there.

Here is a picture I found after 2 SECONDS of googling the flight 93 crash site.
http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200061_1.jpg

Now unless you really want to descend into the truly psychotic level of 'the media is in on it' or 'the debris was planted there' then I suggest you just crawl back into whatever retard spawning pod you emerged from.

ahahhahaha wheahewae wahaahah @ swine flu being a conspiracy theory! that is a new one

any a****** that thought they were going to die from swine flu was just a stupid a******, nothing more, nothing less. Why the f***ing f*** do you think I rail against news.com.au all the time? Because they encourage exactly that sort of retarded idiot thinking pattern

edit: except in the extremely rare case of where people got really sick, and no discredit to those people. While in SF, my aunt was telling me she had a really good friend whose husband has just (in the last week) gone back home; he was in a coma for a week with H1N1 and it was not looking good. But he was in the absof***inglute minority of people that were actually in mortal danger from H1N1. Unlike almost everyone else, who faced near-typical flu mortality rates.

Solution: don't watch the news!

Why isn't that scrap of metal sitting in a creator though?

conspiracy theorists are very similar to creationists in that they always try to attribute their inability or refusal to comprehend a series of events to some kind of higher purpose.

possibly because the idea of random probability or the concept of there not being someone in control of events scares them or something?

/arm-chair psychology.

the pandemic that wasn't.

yet it was all over the media, the government ran ads, millions of vaccines were made. quite an attempt to get you to pay (directly or indirectly) to make some medical companies very rich over nothing.

Did you stop to think maybe it didn't turn into a pandemic BECAUSE the media had it plastered everywhere and people were aware of it and people were vaccinated?

You can't just pick random bits of history from here and there and examine them in a vaccuum and use them to back up your crazy theories, the world doesn't work that way.

people that cant handle news.com.au rank right up there with conspiricy theorists in my book

this thread is a conspiracy, faceman wants a slice of the pie chart.

i am going to make some ripples by not posting in it anymore.

Hell you'd think even the documents that showed that they were informed about Binladen planning an attack in the US would be enough for someone to get stabbed in the f***

I believe the term is: shanked in the f*** ™

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/This-Thread-Delivers/1/ike_where_this_thread_is_going-vi.jpg



On a side note - Trog I totally agree with you but it never hurts to be open to other peoples theory s and opinions. I am totally guilty of being the first person to jump on a bandwagon here on qgl, however this is a topic I would like to hear both sides of the story. Sure the conspiracy theory's are not all true but it never hurts to open your mind to possibilities!

Also - this conversation is very entertaining. Keep on posting your maniacs.

Here's an idea, f*** bush, f*** 9/11, f*** the US, f*** it's oppressive over aggressive foreign policy, f*** it's imperialism, f*** its support for neo-zionism and f*** this thread.

Did i miss anything?

Oh yeah, f*** you.

f*** you FPOT and you're f***ing oversized image. RESIZE IT NOW

It needs to be that big otherwise cainer might miss it.

You people are acting like the word Theory doesn't mean anything.

Intelligent Design is a theory too, but it doesn't stop it from being blatantly stupid and wrong.

there is an overriding theme here that people just 'know' what happened because they were told once upon a time the reasons why.

when i was at high school in year they introduced the idea of critical thinking into the curriculum.. you know the idea that everything you're being told in history/media/other people etc is all influenced by the point of view they want you believe in.

ie, today tonight/ACA always paint the 'conman' as evil, with evil music, slow zoomed in scenes etc.. 90% of the population never stop to think that there is always 2 sides to every story. the guy is instantly defamed and is a piece of s*** in the eyes of society and ACA/TT get away with it scott free over and over again.

hence the reason people might think i'm a crackpot, but when you realise that literally every major war that we have grown up knowing people whose generation were involved, (my grandfather fought in borneo against the japs, my dad 1 was day away from being drafted in the lottery to goto vietnam)then you look at the reasons why those wars started in the first place, then you find they are 90% a load of s***.

and we come to another prime example of bulls*** events leading to a war with a whole generation of soldiers who if theyre not kia they are mentally scarred, we have social division and the 'turrurrriststs' who want to kill us coz we are in muslim lands.

australia went to war with america in iraq, we overthrew a legitimate government, we're occupying their country, 100's of thousands have been killed for what ? a big fat lie. the whole country is f***ed, its unstable, it doesn't function and i wouldnt be suprised in 10 years time when the yanks withdraw, that there is a civil war to unseat the american imposed puppet government, like what happened in iran in 1979.

the only difference in this case is that the truth came out about 30 years earlier then it has in ww1, ww2 and vietnam. john howard sent us to war on lies, blood is on his hands, yet he sleeps at night soundly with his generous pension.

But you're not thinking critically and examining both sides, you're just immediately taking the point of view that "The facts are wrong, the government lied to us" in every instance.

ww1 the yanks had to go save the former colonial powers

ww2, "the japs bombed pearl harbour becuase theyre bad and we're good then we nuked they asses"... then they invented high fructose corn syrup and had their ultimate revenge.

vietnam "gook commies tried to take over friendly democratic poor south vietnamese but we bombed their asses back to stone age yet they won"

iraq - wmd's .... nuff said

But you're not thinking critically and examining both sides, you're just immediately taking the point of view that "The facts are wrong, the government lied to us" in every instance.

but the government didn't lie eventually. they admitted the gulf of tonkin never happened.. eventually. they admitted wmd's didn't exist.. eventually. unfortunately it was after it was already too late to change anything



and this is seriously the extent that 90% of the population believe what happened in those cases and question NONE of the events that lead up it.

thats why i find interesting the history behind why hitler became so popular and able to do what he did. it didn't just happen. the yanks have learned well. false flag attacks on the state. the evil jew causing our problems etc...

s*** just doesn't happen like your cookie cutter history books say it does

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s*** just doesn't happen like your cookie cutter history books say it does

profound

I'd like to hear more of your compelling proof regarding the false flag attacks on the US.

Is this video, really, a collection of random information ?

Say they exist Faceman, then why? What is their purpose? If not to protect the future of the human race?

s*** just doesn't happen like your cookie cutter history books say it does

it's almost like you've never read one.

ww1 the yanks had to go save the former colonial powers

ww2, "the japs bombed pearl harbour becuase theyre bad and we're good then we nuked they asses"... then they invented high fructose corn syrup and had their ultimate revenge.

vietnam "gook commies tried to take over friendly democratic poor south vietnamese but we bombed their asses back to stone age yet they won"

you see no credible history book would actually make these simplistic claims - if they did they would be just as bad at history as you are. you are again making up straw men arguments, and making yourself look like a goddamn spastic (more so).

you see no credible history book would actually make these simplistic claims - if they did they would be just as bad at history as you are. you are again making up straw men arguments, and making yourself look like a goddamn spastic (more so).

you are very selective on the parts that you read to suit your anger

did you not read

and this is seriously the extent that 90% of the population believe what happened in those cases and question NONE of the events that lead up it.

oh i thought we were talking about what history books say, not what the general population think.

do you normally have this much trouble following a conversation? that would explain a lot.

edit: lol anger? still working that angle? in my earlier post i explained that i wasn't angry, if anything your posts are amusing, it's just another case of you grossly misinterpreting things in this thread.

All this talk of war, and no one has mentioned Korea. It really is the forgotten war.

That's a powerful video faceman. I sort of wish someone else other than you had posted it, cause let's be honest your name has become synonymous with conspiracy theory on these forums and i reckon some of the effects of that video would be lost merely having your name next to it :p

I found this from this simpsons to be somewhat disturbing:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3295/911l.png

Talk about blatant in your face.

Surely that cannot just be random, amongst all the other things you saw in that video.

your name has become synonymous with conspiracy theory on these forums

That's because only a conspiracy loser would post a video like that, and only a complete f***ing idiot would think they are onto something.

Just stick to your pro-terror rallies Booyah.

"but man.... didn't you hear the music and see the symbols man? There is totally a 9 in front of that world trade centres man, and they are, like an 11 man! what you don't see it? you've been BRAINWASHED by the jewish media man!".

conspiracy theorists are very similar to creationists in that they always try to attribute their inability or refusal to comprehend a series of events to some kind of higher purpose.

possibly because the idea of random probability or the concept of there not being someone in control of events scares them or something?

/arm-chair psychology.

Actually both sides, when in their extreme, are similar. Blind faith in the Church, or in the Government, what's the difference?

Yeah fpot is the kind of sheep that will stubbornly refute everything and everything that he comes across with his over-simplistic views and doesn't dare to challenge his 5 senses cause he's such a half wit.

"HOW CAN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT BE BAD THEY ARE HERE TO SAVE THE HUMAN RACE ALL THE TIME 60 PERCENT OF THE TIME!!". Reality goes beyond Hollywood and Bruce Willis' heroism in Armageddon dips***.

Like i give a f*** about fpot anyway aha. Just keep putting things in the too hard basket mate and stick to your career development of becoming a bouncer at the beat, because besides being a forum troll that's all you're good for.

I can't believe people like matchfixa breed.

oh lawds.

You obviously didn't think you could be responsible enough to breed so you're doing us all a favor.

The USA is that way ---> keep walking.

I'd be the first one to admit i shouldn't breed. I wish other people could admit that aswell.

Yes. Because I am not AMAZED by the HIDDEN MESSAGES interspersed by the ILLUMINATI in movies that must mean I am BLINDLY FOLLOWING the US Government.

That is such a ridiculous stance for you to take, but at least it remains consistent with your other ridiculous views. Views like your blatant misguided sympathy towards HAMAS, your claims of 'hidden mass graves' in Iraq where hundreds of thousands of US soldiers are buried (or was it tens of thousands? Doesn't matter) and now this, some freeze frame from the Simpsons foretelling the 9/11 attacks! What exactly do you think that freeze frame means? That the writers were in on the conspiracy and put a little clue there for people to see? That some deeply entrenched Jew slipped it in there for... some reason?

Not only do your conspiracy theories make no sense, your perceptions of evidence make even less sense. Surely if they did orchestrate this thing, then they wouldn't be putting little clues everywhere for people to pick up on? You're an idiot.

you can skip the first minute of Alex Jones talking but listen to what Jennings describes is happening inside WTC 7. Debris caused the building to collapse ? what were the explosions then ? Why was there dead bodies inside WTC 7. It does not make sense.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg35/ggb777/wtc7an.gif

Yes. Because I am not AMAZED by the HIDDEN MESSAGES interspersed by the ILLUMINATI in movies that must mean I am BLINDLY FOLLOWING the US Government.

You dont think advertising works ?

I knew you were going to rehash some old bulls*** like you usually do. It gets really old really quick. What, do you take down notes and archive posts away whenever someone says something that you're not in agreement with just so you can pull them up on later? get a life already it's pathetic.

I'm obviously not using the freeze frame to explain everything that's happened so far in terms of human conflict. It's one example that i'm simply drawing some attention to cause i thought it was interesting and perhaps it's one of many things that could be considered in the big scheme of things. Your the one going "OOOH LOOK AT BOOYAH FREEZE FRAMING AND TRYING TO BRAINWASH US ALL WITH HIS s*** ALL THE TIME 80 PERCENT OF THE TIME!! OH AND LOOK HE WAS THE ONE THAT'S SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS HAMMAS HE'S WRONG AND AN IDIOT AND YOU CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING HE SAYS AS RIGHT FROM HERE TO THE END OF TIMES".

Seriously that's how ridiculous you sound. There's obviously a lot of s*** out there in terms of crazy conspiracy theorists and theories so you have to sift through the s*** but the way you shut everything down as soon as it doesn't make sense to you is a form of your own brainwashing and outright arrogance, ignorance and sheer stupidity.

I bet all of what i said just went through one ear and out of the other. But hey whatever, keep on trucking you may end up somewhere someday.

p.s. Faceman you can try and present all your findings for fagpot and you're not going to get anywhere, but you do that s*** if you wish. I'm just going to play the same ridicule game that he often plays cause that's all that works here.

Munyook.

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You dont think advertising works ?

Advertising has nothing to do with slipping subliminal messages into tv commercials you goon.

Is this video, really, a collection of random information ?

The Illuminati are a recurring theme in popular culture. References to such an organization appear in many fictional works across many genres, appearing in print, in film, on television, in video games, in comic book series, as well as in both trading card and roleplaying games.

Faceman's theory has just a few flaws in it.

Plus all the video was all s*** from Movies and TV shows. Keep in mind the Illuminati are supposed to be these really secret people who do really secret things, so coming out in the open would be a great way on staying hidden

THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK SOVER

I knew you were going to rehash some old bulls*** like you usually do.

Yeah because your previous history of conspiracy bulls*** in no way relates to your latest line of conspiracy bulls***. At all.

It's utterly laughable to people who aren't stupid or attached to their religion that you'd call that video 'powerful'. It's a bunch of symbols. In movies. No reasonable minded person would ever come to a conclusion is strong as yours from that evidence. Interpreting hidden meanings like that is a sign of mental illness. What the f*** is the matter with you?

Sover's post ring true. Illuminati are a fictional element used in movies and Dan Brown novels. Of course they are going to find their way into fictional things such as movies. It looks to me you are suffering from some sort of persecution complex because you're a muslim (mulim). Hey, I would be too if the most devastating terrorist attack of all time was performed by some of it's members in the name of allah as well. It doesn't mean you need to spread your crazy everywhere, and then have a cry when you are called out on it again and again and again and again and again and again.

You are just as bad as teq. You always jump to the most unlikely conclusion, and you always take that most extremist viewpoint on everything. You accuse people here of being prejudice towards muslims all the time yet I believe that you are the most prejudice person on this board, towards jews. You seem to have a real hatred towards them. What's the matter? Your way of life sucks compares to theirs and you feel a little jealous or something? So you need to cook up all this illuminati 9/11 conspiracy bulls*** in your head to make yourself feel better? I guess you can just add all of them to the big pile of lies you live your life by already.

edit: by fictional I mean the Illuminati being a powerful influence on todays world.


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Not much secrecy on the US dollar bill.

What? You think I am stupid for posting illuminati symbols hiding in everyday life? Well, I'll show you! I'll post some more!

On a side note - Trog I totally agree with you but it never hurts to be open to other peoples theory s and opinions. I am totally guilty of being the first person to jump on a bandwagon here on qgl, however this is a topic I would like to hear both sides of the story. Sure the conspiracy theory's are not all true but it never hurts to open your mind to possibilities!

Hey I'm totally open to hear what people have to say - see the Dawkins thread where I spent untold hours trying to debug the mind of the creationist (didn't get anywhere, sadly).

The problem is most conspiracy theories really, actually sound like raving lunacy. There's definitely a bunch of them that are well presented and look feasible - I remember watching some 20 minute youtube about the plane that crashed into pentagon and at the end of it thinking "well, that sounded like it could possibly have happened" but at the end of the day, I just think the 'cover story' is equally valid and the simpler explanation when viewed in the context of everything else.

I'm a really firm believer in the Napolean quote (or whoever said it), can't remember how it goes, but it's basically:

"Never ascribe to malice, what you can to incompetence"

(or, most bad things that happen are the result of stupid, lazy a******s, not people being deliberately evil)

If anyone here jumps to conclusions it's you ahaha. You think you've figured me out from a few posts on a public forum. Far from it.

You are the most ignorant and arrogant prick i have ever come across in cyber space and have nothing to show for it, but I don't pass the same judgement on your in real life. The only judgement I have passed on you is that you're stuck in your little world of society scum at melbas. You on the other hand can't wait to grab any piece of info on whoever you're arguing with to merely 'prove' to everyone how much of an idiot they are, be it online or IRL. You base your opinion of someone's character by their religion, race, ideology and anyone that doesn't confirm to your own set of ideals is simply wrong and worthless. If you can't compromise, give and take and at least try and understand where the other person is coming from then the internet is not the right place for you. Are you like this face to face? i wouldn't think so cause you'd prolly end up getting smashed in the f*** if you were.

Oh and if i'm not happy with my way of life i would've changed it by now don't you think? even if that was the case i definitely wouldn't change it to your scum life, that's for sure.

I think it's clear to anyone with even a basic level of comprehension ability that you are prejudiced towards jews in a pretty serious way. Of course, most of the times when you mention them in your posts it is in a joking manner, but the point I am trying to make is that the true level of your prejudice and the true level of your hatred sometimes escapes, like in that hamas thread and again here. You are going to the extreme length of looking at hidden symbols in movies, and believing things that are just obviously false like that arab terrorists didn't commit 9/11 and to me that indicates someone who is just utterly desperate to believe something that isn't true to try and achieve some sort of end. The end I think you are trying to achieve is "my religion couldn't have possibly been a reason behind these attacks, the evil jews must have done it!". Now just for the record I am not accusing all mulims of being terrorists here. These acts were committed by extremists who come from the same page of stupidity as Gal/euph do with their extremist (albeit slightly less harmful) views on christianity.

So if I am wrong about that, why do you try and find hidden jewish symbols in movies? Why do you ignore the blatantly obvious and still believe what you do about 9/11? Why do you constantly deride the jewish people in the posts that you make? You never see me so systematically attacking certain people and certain ideals. I guess I do sometimes come across as arrogant against people who I think are just plain stupid, but so do you. So do a lot of people. Can you ever point out a situation where I have been so dramatically wrong as saying the world is only 6000 years old, or that the pentagon was hit by a missile, or anything like that? People who are that wrong about things AND when pointed in the right direction with things that clearly indicate they are wrong and still ignore it and cling to their beliefs for their silly little reasons annoy me and bring out the worst in me.

http://imgur.com/1HK6x.png

and when all else fails, just bounce at the beat

My arrogance is only set to match yours. I also consider teq to be arrogant so in turn i'm arrogant towards him when i need to be. I am not arrogant towards the likes of Khel, Spook, Maxe, Billy etc but If you think you can get to me through intimidation and your gang mentality then you're mistaken because i can match that and them some.

Anyway, you make it sound like i hate every single jew that walked the planet. For the record i don't. If you look up previous posts of mine (which in general has become your specialty to prove your worth on these forums) you'll find a lot of what say is not to be taken seriously and i make it known when i'm serious. I make fun of my own religion and race ffs so why must you take take anything i say against anyone else to be offensive, especially when i make it known that it's a joke? At the same time you won't find me keeping my mouth shut from any injustices like those that are being committed by the israeli government on the Palestinian people or by the american regime against the iraqi people, no matter how unpopular my opinion is going to be.

Now, you may not be the one that makes the craziest calls on the forums but i don't think you realise just how over-aggressive you can when you beg to differ on a matter that has been embeded in peoples lives from the day they were born. You think you have the ability to change people's opinions with a few blunt almost bully-like forum posts? If anything its counter productive and is merely going to strengthen what they believe in. Either way you don't strike me as the type who'd be concerned about productivity or uniting the community, aha, so it only leaves me to believe that you get a kick out of making people feel like for what they believe in. Just don't be surprised If people start doing the same to you.

The difference between you and I is that i'd like to think i'm more tolerable of other people's beliefs, whether it's in religion or 'atheism' or whatever. One of my closest friend is a christain, many of my other friends are atheists and agnostics, during my uni studies and current employment i've worked with jews, homosexuals and people from all walks of life. You'd think me being a muslim arab would not get involved with these people but i do and it doesn't bother me. If anything it gives me a chance to show them that we're not all what we've been made out to be. IN FACT, i barely have any arab friends and even fewer muslim friends! did you know that about me? no of course not, you were too busy running your mouth about how prejudice i am towards everyday jews. Did you know that there are jews who are opposed to the occupation of palastinian territories and the zionisit movemement? why would i hold resentment towards them or any other jew that's trying to simply get on with their lives after centuries of war?

So again, you're the one jumping to conclusions having read a few posts of mine about various ethnicities on this forums.

Pro tip: Forget about the simpson 'freeze frame' that you're so hung over, get a clue and chill the f*** out already.

I'm done with this.

cainer you forgot to post all your compelling 9/11 proof.

edit: see the thing with creationists is it is just a bit of harmless fun. These guys are just living in their own little world and they can go on believing whatever they want to believe.

However 9/11 conspiracy losers make me genuinely angry, and here is why.

Ever since the events of 9/11 it seems as though becoming a conspiracy theorist is the new black. Theories ranging from the US Government actually orchestrating the attacks, to them being aware of the attacks and letting them happen to further their political agenda. All possible evidence of them orchestrating these attacks has been debunked, and all possible motives for them allowing the attacks to happen have either been debunked or are completely implausible.

http://www.debunking911.com/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Two excellent articles detailing all of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. If anyone posts anything in here that has been debunked by either of those two links it will be deleted and you'll be removed from the group.

Some people might ask why anyone cares so much about 9/11 conspiracy theorists. The reason is because it undermines the enormity of the event and the lives that were lost during it. Like the Holocaust (some people don't even believe that happened) 9/11 was an important lesson for modern humans. Where the Holocaust taught us that blind nationalism should never be conducted, and Governments should always be watched by the people, 9/11 taught as that we are not always safe from our fellow man as well. While there may be some racial bias generated by 9/11 due to the fact that these attacks were conducted by Islamic extremists, it should not be forgotten that the second deadliest terrorist attack was committed by Timothy McViegh, an American born citizen who served in the US Army.

There are plenty of other conspiracy theories out there, but most border on the ridiculous and are only perpetuated by the endless stream of gullible people that the human race provides. People who I know who are smart and sometimes quite discriminating in what they believe are falling for the 9/11 myth, and if our generation doesn't learn everything they can from this terrible tragedy then the terrorists truly did succeed on that day.

That is the thing I put in some 9/11 conspiracy facebook group I made (lame I know :P) after being frustrated by yet another d*******.

Lessons need to be learnt from events as terrible as 9/11, and people who try to make it out to be some sort of conspiracy impede that lesson being learnt.

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Hey, it would end if they had an independent commission that would investigate the whole event and have a special prosecuter that had the power to call any witness they wanted.
The government picked the inquiry commissioners Picked the witnesses picked the experts then what a surprise they got the answer they wanted.

The 9/11 truth movement is gaining members everyday. Its trashed by the ... well you know... media and its trashed by politicians but still it grows.
Others are labelling them as threats to national security that should be monitored as potential terrorists.
Now parts of the government want to criminalize the 9/11 truth movement and make it a crime to question 9/11.

Now where have you heard of that method before ?
The truth does not fear Investigation.

Now parts of the government want to criminalize the 9/11 truth movement and make it a crime to question 9/11.

The current German government making it illegal to deny the holocaust, and for good f***ing reason too.

9/11 has been investigated. What, do you think it just happened and then everyone just sort of said s***, better not investigate that! No, it was and the conclusion was that muslim extremists hijacked some planes and crashed them into things.

It's just loopy people like yourself and misguided people like Booyah who think it was anything more than it was.

edit: the reason there is no independent commission or anything like that is because there is simply no case to answer. Asking for a commission or trial or whatever to determine whether the US was involved in planning 9/11 is a waste of everyone's time. There isn't a single piece of credible evidence indicating that they were involved in it.

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Fpot,

I'm a fence sitter at the momment, I'm trying to get to the point of conclusion, theres a few elephants in the room though. Like, for me, WTC 7 is the biggest problem I see, no plane hitting it, small fire, minimal damage, dropping in on itself. Theres a bunch of other inconsistancies I see but they may have explainations. Just curious as to your thoughts on WTC 7.

The building was heavily damaged by the two massive buildings that collapsed right next to it, and was also an absolute inferno.



http://www.kolumbus.fi/av.caesar/wtc/wtc7_2.jpg

http://www.911inplanesite.com/images2005/01_wtc7.jpg

Just look at it's proximity to the carnage there. And some people can't believe that this building also collapsed?

But to me the questions don't need to be asked. What would be the motive for destroying WTC7 anyway? "Hey guys we totally destroyed WTC1/2, but... wait oops WTC7 didn't go down! Detonate the charges! I sure hope one solitary guy who is under extreme stress doesn't hear the charges and reveal that we blew up WTC7 for... some reason!"

Hmmm watched the vids + a few others, doesn't seem to be that much fire when compared to other buildings that have burned for 24 hours + and still remained standing as one video showed (I think the building was in china, and it looked about 70% ablaze, like rediculous amounts of fire) The damage to the corner of the building seems fairly cosmetic though, and if there were load bearing members you would see them exposed and damaged. Also, the building collapsing on itself, falling into its own footprint means every single column would have had to have failed at the same momment. I think thats where I'm having trouble with the scenario.

But to me the questions don't need to be asked. What would be the motive for destroying WTC7 anyway?

I dont know, I dont think many people here would know unless you worked there and knew what sort of documentation or business was conducted there. i've heard it mentioned that the CIA had offices there but I wouldn't really count on that being true.

Okay you need more convincing.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Read that. And just fyi, there is an article just as indepth as that one for every aspect of the 9/11 conspiracy thing.

WTC had a unique design in that it had three main support columns in side, there's a good video explaining, and when you see that you'll know faceman is retarded.

Former Minnesota governor and one-time professional wrestler Jesse Ventura has run afoul of the Huffington Post’s no-conspiracy-theory policy, and he’s not happy about it.

“I can’t believe the Huffington Post today will practice censorship,” Ventura says in astonishment. “I’ve got news for them. … I won’t ever write for ‘em again.”

Ventura had posted an item on Tuesday which took note of a recent conference at which “more than one thousand architects and engineers signed a petition demanding that Congress begin a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11.” He also quoted a few paragraphs from his new book, American Conspiracies, to explain why some of those experts see signs of controlled demolition.

More than a thousand Architects and Engineers disagree with you Frakture.
Are you an Architect or an Engineer ?
or you just want to beat up on people that ask questions ?
You better pray we keep asking questions because you wont like what happens when the questions are stopped altogether.

So a thousand architects and engineers disagree, how many agree? The conspiracy nuts trot out their thousand alleged architects and engineers and we're supposed to just eat that up and go "My god, all these people must be paragons in their field, they know EXACTLY whats going on and they say the government got it wrong!". Yet I bet if the government trotted out a thousand architects and engineers the conspiracy fans would be the first ones to cry foul, that they've been paid off or they're "in on it".

You can't win arguments like this, because everything that disagrees with the conspiracy theory becomes part of the conspiracy, part of the coverup. Even if another investigation was commissioned, and the results came back the same, the conspiracy theorists would never accept it. The only version of the truth they're willing to accept is the one they've conjured up, anything besides that is a lie.

Plus you have failed basic comprehension yet again. It said a thousand signed up wanting a new investigation. It doesn't say why they want one. If someone handed me a piece of paper and said "do you want a new investigation into 9/11" chances are I'd sign it, because I know what the outcome would be and it might just shut retards like you up forever.

From that tiny dodgy article you have assumed the motives of over a thousand people. Don't you realise that you do this all the time? Don't you realise that is why you come to such blatantly wrong conclusions all the time?

You better pray we keep asking questions because you wont like what happens when the questions are stopped altogether.

faceman: saving the world one contrived conspiracy theory at a time

when the questions are stopped altogether, why will having prayed you keep asking them, be any consolation?

haha, no. I mean that when the government refuses to be accountable to the people "answer questions" it will be too late to stop them.

Yet I bet if the government trotted out a thousand architects and engineers the conspiracy fans would be the first ones to cry foul, that they've been paid off or they're "in on it".

Well that has already happen. It was called the 9/11 Commission.

It doesn't say why they want one.

They just thought it might be fun to sign up and see what happens ?

Yeah maybe. Or they could have signed for the reasons I'd sign. Or they could sign for a thousand other reasons as well.

You actually think people put thought into signing a petition?

f*** yas



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A question for the "believers", has there ever been a conspiracy that you believed and then someone or something convinced you the official side was right?
Like when i was 12 i ate up all those ufo shows and unsolved mysteries and s*** like that, then when i got a little older i saw people point out things like "nostradamus just said a bunch of vague crap and people relate that to past events".

A somewhat interesting development in the 9/11 world.

WMR (The Wayne Masden Report) has learned from two El Al sources who worked for the Israeli airline at New York’s John F. Kennedy airport that on 9/11, hours after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded all civilian domestic and international incoming and outgoing flights to and from the United States, a full El Al Boeing 747 took off from JFK bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion International Airport.

The two El Al employee sources are not Israeli nationals but legal immigrants from Ecuador who were working in the United States for the airline.

The flight departed JFK at 4:11 pm and its departure was, according to the El Al sources, authorized by the direct intervention of the U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. military officials were on the scene at JFK and were personally involved with the airport and air traffic control authorities to clear the flight for take-off.

According to the 9/11 Commission report, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta ordered all civilian flights to be grounded at 9:45 am on September 11.

The New York Air Traffic control center’s audio tape of recollections of air traffic controllers made an hour and a half after the 9/11 attacks were destroyed by an air traffic control manager who did not face criminal charges for destroying physical evidence on the worst terrorist attack in American history. The Transportation Department later claimed the destruction of the tape was the result of mere “poor judgment.”

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5691.shtml

So some conspiracy nut posts yet another unsubstantiated story on the internet, wow.

I did a quick google to see where else the story has come up, and it's all on dodgy sites that look like the conspiracy version of answeringgenesis.

You've failed again at being able to distinguish between something that is obviously dodgy and something that isn't.

'What the f***?'

FaceMan, you should pay for Lord Monckton to come out and speak on behalf of you, he seems to be able to make normally intelligent people believe s*** by quoting odd and cherry picked figures, lieing etc etc.

I'm just not sure why he never had people believe in the other s*** he's preached before such as his inventing the ultimate AIDS, Cancer and Respitory illness treatment, his ending the falklands conflict, his being elected as an upper lords member, his idea to round up everyone with HIV and put them into forced quarantine, his belief that NASA blew up a satellite before it got into space so they couldn't prove global warming (after they'd spent millions on it), his belief the 'UN' banned DDT so that malaria would spread more, his ideas that no science should be taken seriously unless they have a proven tie to a religious order. (sorry, I'm just sure Faceman holds this guy in high regard as he's revered by infowars.com 'reporters' so am posting ha ha).

He'll push any idea if you've got the cash to push it!

The Israeli prime minister's team prepared a symbolic gift for visiting U.S. Vice President Joe Biden: a framed document announcing that several trees were planted in Jerusalem in memory of Biden's mother, a loyal supporter of Israel. But Netanyahu leaned on the present by mistake and shattered the glass frame. "I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass," the prime minister said, trying to improvise a joke during a joint news conference. It got worse.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/biden97575393b.jpg

"I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass,"
A reference to Kristallnacht ?
This time its Israel who will be breaking glass.

"I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass,"
A reference to Kristallnacht ?
This time its Israel who will be breaking glass.

So you're saying that Israel is offering to round up.. er.. someone.. and put them in concentration camps and murder a diplomat? Maybe they're telling them in a round about way they're going to assassinate the US ambassador to Israel?!

I always noticed you were a bit odd, but I didn't realise you were completely f***ing loopy?

What happens to sand when its nuked ?

What happens to sand when its nuked ?

You do know you're drawing a very very very long bow there don't you?

Creating a conspiracy ?

Creating a conspiracy ?

Of course creating a conspiracy... from nothing. I guess it's a skill! Like skipping, or elastics... and about equally as useful.

I can't tell sometimes how much of Faceman's posts are him having a laugh and playing the role of crazy conspiracy guy, and how much of it is actually real.

ahaha, just when faceman was starting to get a little normal he pulls this s***.

get professional help.

9/11 questions that need answering.

1. Why did the the twin towers collapse at free fall speed? The lower floors undamaged by anything gave zero resistance to the upper floors which they had held up for decades. No conspiracy, just want to know the physics behind the lack of resistance provided by the lower floors.

2. Why didn't the twin towers topple? The central columns which where designed to stop a failure in the building from toppling, also failed as they didn't remain upright.

3. Why did the basement collapse? After all it was designed to hold the towers up and did so for decades.

4. Why did World Tower 7 collapse? It was never hit buy a plan or debris. EDIT: It was hit by debris, but not badly enough to warrant a collapse, and again why did it not topple?
EDIT AGAIN: having read the link to debunking WTC 7 it makes logical sense that it should collapse.



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^

it's almost like you've never even tried to look into the answers yourself.

or read the links that have been posted several times in this thread so far that clearly address the questions you've asked... because they're the same questions that all arm-chair conspiracy retards ask.

The Towers collapsed because all that fire made the building gain so much weight that they collapsed.

More than half the 9/11 commissioners dont believe the Government told the truth.

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

oh s***, i think faceman has visited my work recently!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~davidbroughton/thirdeye.jpg

9/11 questions that need answering.

1. Why did the the twin towers collapse at free fall speed? The lower floors undamaged by anything gave zero resistance to the upper floors which they had held up for decades. No conspiracy, just want to know the physics behind the lack of resistance provided by the lower floors.

2. Why didn't the twin towers topple? The central columns which where designed to stop a failure in the building from toppling, also failed as they didn't remain upright.

3. Why did the basement collapse? After all it was designed to hold the towers up and did so for decades.

4. Why did World Tower 7 collapse? It was never hit buy a plan or debris. EDIT: It was hit by debris, but not badly enough to warrant a collapse, and again why did it not topple?
EDIT AGAIN: having read the link to debunking WTC 7 it makes logical sense that it should collapse.

gumby, glad to see you did the reading and found answers to your questions. But your post is a good example of the frustration of having to fight conspiracies. There have been well established answers to all of your questions for some time now, but people don't usually hear about them (or go looking). Instead, they hear the conspiracies and assume no one has addressed them...

where is that spook ?

also take a look at this... Illuminati = hollywood = Academy Awards


http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg35/ggb777/rising20sun.jpg

out the front of my office in west end

we're right on the river so often get odd types wandering through our front yard at all hours of the day/week

someone saw the triangle on the path and decided to improve on it!

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it forms "life"

Spook, don't encourage him! :P

Umm, I just watched all of that video that Faceman posted about symbols and movies and stuff.

Look a 9/11 is on the screen!

If you superimpose this here, and move this around a bit, and... there look! 9/11!

This is a powerful video guys.

lol

zomg look at fpot its a nutter run.

Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Conspiracy nuts are almost always pot heads which can only mean that marijuana can somehow disrupt the thought control devices installed in our heads at birth which make us believe all of their lies and is the real reason the governments want to keep pot illegal. Of course they make ridiculous claims about it causing mental illness but there's no real evidence!

I'm a little behind. Can someone who is up-to-date with Faceman threads tell me this:

Is there a conclusion that he's just taking the piss or does he really believe pretty much every nutbag conspiracy theory on the internet?

Serious question, thanks.

I am not to sure about Faceman. Sometimes the tone of his posts really sound like he is either taking the piss, or is a troll account trying too hard to sound crazy.

The true looney bin is Corrupt, you can almost see the bloodshot eyes and frothing mouth when he makes his 'insightful posts'. He has some sort of anxiety disorder because he got f***ed up the arse when he was a teenager at a party (true story)

u sure u didnt get a fist or 2 fpot when you were a youngin... youre the one spending far too long on qgl judging by your post count getting frothy mouthy at people you dont agree with... or are you just mad youre in a deadend job, aging, no partner, living in a 1bedroom s***hole wishing you didn't have to suck mommys cock when you were 5 ?

Hey it's the guy who utterly embarrassed himself earlier in this thread with his 'compelling 9/11 evidence' who also claimed the States 'provoked' Pearl Harbour.

How's it going?

never said it was compelling, so i don't know why you 'quoted me'

and i didn't say the states provoked it, the japanese generals in charge of the country in those days said that provocation was the motive for pearl harbour.

still, u didn't answer any of the last post about the fist

Well those generals were pretty obviously full of s*** weren't they. You seemed to agree with them though. And sorry the quotation marks were sort of meant to denote sarcasm. You seem to believe 9/11 was committed by the US government. Usually to believe something (well for normal people at least) as extreme in nature as that requires compelling evidence.

Oh and yeah no fists up the arse for me when I was younger.

try positioning yourself from a different point of view

its 1941, sun is shining, birds are singing, japan is raping the s*** out of china and korea.

now what would cause their military to make a decision to attack america.. you know, a reason. or they just felt like they could take on the biggest industrial nation in the world whilst conquering china and south east asia for s***s and giggles.



for a bit of context

fpot has 15000+ posts on qgl forum... its documented fact. he wouldn't dispute that

if some knownothingknowitall turns around in 50 years time and says 'there is no way fpot could possibly post that much thats just retarded he would've had to of been sitting at his computer non stop for 10 years waiting for a chance to post just utter s*** 99% of the time to get that many posts, its impossible'

yet the history books clearly state that yes he did indeed post an unhuman amount... does the knowitall just rewrite history to suit their obvious real interpretation and call everyone else a wanker/idiot/f***head/c***face, or is the knowitall just an idiot ?

You could look a bit deeper at the numbers. 17348 posts in 10 years = 4.75 posts a day. One post would take, what, two minutes to type on average? That's 10 minutes a day posting. An utterly inhuman (lol un) amount!

In 1941 there was a little event going on called WW2. Pearl Harbour was motivated by the the US cutting off Japan's resources I don't dispute that. What seems strange from you though is that you want to paint the US exclusively as the bad guys here. The US were desperate to stay neutral in WW2, but were forced into it by the Japanese attack. The Japanese were performing some evil s*** as well during WW2 that was close to if not as bad as some of the acts the Nazis were performing.

I am guessing by your lack of posting about 9/11 you've actually come around to the fact that maybe the US didn't commit those acts. Good for you.

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Shutup f*****.

in before the lock.

The Japs in WW2 were a******s, even if the American leadership prompted the attack, so the f*** what? The Japanese needed a good asskicking.

Pearl Harbour was motivated by the the US cutting off Japan's resources I don't dispute that. What seems strange from you though is that you want to paint the US exclusively as the bad guys here. The US were desperate to stay neutral in WW2

so now you've gone from disagreeing to agreeing with the japanese motive. they were not desperate to stay neutral in a broad sense. the people were, the government, the banks most definitely were not. is it impossible for you to draw the link between the us govt being in debt = power for the private federal reserve ? is there not a single entity in modern history that has benefited exclusively from nations being at war regardless of what they are/were ?

The Japs in WW2 were a******s, even if the American leadership prompted the attack, so the f*** what? The Japanese needed a good asskicking.

although its a thread sidetrack
maybe so, but you are doing what the media do, tarring an entire nation with the brush to suit the day. if the japs were a******s, what do you call the righteous nation who won the pacific war nuking 2 totally unmilitarised cities with nothing but civilians inhabiting them ?

go visit hiroshima and say so the f*** what. they are both as bad as each other.

If the Americans did not Nuke those two cities, the only other option was to invade. That would have killed far more Allied soldiers and Japanese soldiers and civilians than the two nukes. Would you prefer that?

by that logic we should've just nuked vietnam. why not theyre all only gooks anyway aren't they. gooks bad whitey good ?

edit: just thinking about that tired excuse makes me angry. there is no reason the yanks couldn't of demonstrated the power to the japanese leadership at the time without killing women and children. the only reason they did it is because the nuclear option was competing with the firebombing option against tokyo which incidentally killed more CIVILIANS in 1 night then the nukes did... not to mention the chemical warfare option that was also on the table which once again was designed to kill as many CIVILIANS as possible.

did they also have to firebomb dresden because otherwise those women and children would've stood a fighting chance and more would've died ?

how about the US imposed sanctions against iraq that killed more then a million ?

if anyone its the yanks who are the ultimate c***s and they still are today. but its ok coz we're allied with them

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Vietnam did not occupy several countries and kill MILLIONS of people.

Vietnam did not occupy several countries and kill MILLIONS of people.

yeah they were having a civil war with nothing to do with america, and here they came, trundling along, bombing the absolute s*** out of it. killing 2 million people for what ? something the people wanted anyway.

your train of logic suggests america should've involved itself in rwanda then ? they are the ultimate good at the end of the day arent they.

fpot is of the opinion that the yanks were desperate to stay neutral, you are of the opinion that the yanks are only fighting for the good all the time.

so what is it, a reason or a good excuse at the time.

coz the yanks could not give a flying f*** in 1930 when the japs first invaded china, annexed korea in 1910, fought the russians in 1890.

I never said anything about the yanks being the good guys. You're just an idiot, ignoring points made by me and fpot and anyone else stupid enough to waste their time on you.

Vietnam was in a different era, done by a completely different government in a different set of conditions (zomg save the world from communists). It is completely irrelevant to the point you originally made about america baiting japan to declare war/killing it's own citizens in 9/11.

You still haven't provided any evidence on that btw, don't even bother replying with more of your irrelevant and often completely wrong rants.

re: 9/11

pennsylvania crash site looks nothing at all like the dozens and dozens of airplane crash sites before it... hows that for a start. nothing is intact, no wings, landing gear, wheres the engines. i note fpot posted a pic of the fuselage about 1m x 1m next to some grass.... ok.

wtc7 collapsing, implosion style, not toppling. twin towers collapsing, implosion style, not toppling.



if you want to understand why there are skeptics, look at the timeline for every major war the yanks have been involved in and its a common theme. 9/11 is the obvious one for the 'wur on turrur'.

once again, ultimately, who benefits at the end of the day ? is it the iraqis ? afghans ? american people ? you ? me ? soldiers ?

answer that one

and if you can figure it out you'll find the source of all the skeptics' evil. here's a hint, they engineered the GFC. (you know the event that transferred all that private debt (trillions $) to the public) coz they were too big to fail

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America wasnt sitting on the sidelines in WW2. They were actively encouraging the countries that surrounded the Commies. Americas enemy was always the Commies.
As long as the Commies didnt take over Europe all was well.
They helped hitler until he signed the peace treaty with Russia. 2 days later it was War on Hitler.

They didnt care about the Japs running around raping China just as long as the Commies didnt take over China. Japan and Russia signed a peace deal in 1941.
It was later that year that America loaded up Pearl Harbour and waited for Japan to attack. They knew where the Japs were. It was like placing a warm pie on the window sill.
A Honey Trap.

If you look at World War 2 as the War to stop Communism you will see a very different kind of History then what has been told by Hollywood.
You might even look a little deeper at what happened AFTER World War 2 to see that America or ? was quite correct in their predictions.

Even as the Nazis were being pushed back towards the end of the War there was discussions taking place between the Allies and German Generals about Germany allying with the Allies and pushing Russia back to Moscow.
Hitlers mistake was to sign a Peace treaty with Russia.
Japans mistake was to sign a peace treaty with Russia.

The Pennsylvania crash was kind of unique in that the plane impacted nose first into the ground at high speed. Most plane crashes happen with the plane skidding along the ground which causes the classic looking plane crash site that you are used to seeing.

All the other stuff is years old s*** that has been debunked, along with 'whoa man the US benefited from it... it must be them!'. You're retarded.

I am not about to get into a debate over the nuking of Japan with you. You are simply not worth debating anything with, it's only worth it telling you when you are just simply wrong, which is pretty much all of the time.

How does it feel to have thoughts that align with someone as obviously off his tree like Faceman though? I'd be s***ting myself if I thought the same way he did... heh

Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment. [...] This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story."

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

So how did the hijackers control the plane ? Telepathy ?

Wait, I thought a missile hit the pentagon? So many stories! I don't know what's true!!!

GOOGLE: Trying very hard not to be evil.



The US Presidents entourage

TEH GOOGLEZ ARE STAELING YOUR DNA JUST LIKE DARTH VADER!?@#!?

edit: i don't get it, where's the world ending, puppy-murdering, child-abusing conspiracy in the hungry beast on obama's entourage?

last edited by taggs at 08:08:41 23/Mar/10

TEH GOOGLEZ ARE STAELING YOUR DNA JUST LIKE DARTH VADER!?@#!?

edit: i don't get it, where's the world ending, puppy-murdering, child-abusing conspiracy in the hungry beast on obama's entourage?last edited by taggs at 08:08:41 23/Mar/10

HHHuuuhhh?