Hmmm watched the vids + a few others, doesn't seem to be that much fire when compared to other buildings that have burned for 24 hours + and still remained standing as one video showed (I think the building was in china, and it looked about 70% ablaze, like rediculous amounts of fire) The damage to the corner of the building seems fairly cosmetic though, and if there were load bearing members you would see them exposed and damaged. Also, the building collapsing on itself, falling into its own footprint means every single column would have had to have failed at the same momment. I think thats where I'm having trouble with the scenario.

But to me the questions don't need to be asked. What would be the motive for destroying WTC7 anyway?

I dont know, I dont think many people here would know unless you worked there and knew what sort of documentation or business was conducted there. i've heard it mentioned that the CIA had offices there but I wouldn't really count on that being true.

Okay you need more convincing.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Read that. And just fyi, there is an article just as indepth as that one for every aspect of the 9/11 conspiracy thing.

WTC had a unique design in that it had three main support columns in side, there's a good video explaining, and when you see that you'll know faceman is retarded.

Former Minnesota governor and one-time professional wrestler Jesse Ventura has run afoul of the Huffington Post’s no-conspiracy-theory policy, and he’s not happy about it.

“I can’t believe the Huffington Post today will practice censorship,” Ventura says in astonishment. “I’ve got news for them. … I won’t ever write for ‘em again.”

Ventura had posted an item on Tuesday which took note of a recent conference at which “more than one thousand architects and engineers signed a petition demanding that Congress begin a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11.” He also quoted a few paragraphs from his new book, American Conspiracies, to explain why some of those experts see signs of controlled demolition.

More than a thousand Architects and Engineers disagree with you Frakture.
Are you an Architect or an Engineer ?
or you just want to beat up on people that ask questions ?
You better pray we keep asking questions because you wont like what happens when the questions are stopped altogether.

So a thousand architects and engineers disagree, how many agree? The conspiracy nuts trot out their thousand alleged architects and engineers and we're supposed to just eat that up and go "My god, all these people must be paragons in their field, they know EXACTLY whats going on and they say the government got it wrong!". Yet I bet if the government trotted out a thousand architects and engineers the conspiracy fans would be the first ones to cry foul, that they've been paid off or they're "in on it".

You can't win arguments like this, because everything that disagrees with the conspiracy theory becomes part of the conspiracy, part of the coverup. Even if another investigation was commissioned, and the results came back the same, the conspiracy theorists would never accept it. The only version of the truth they're willing to accept is the one they've conjured up, anything besides that is a lie.

Plus you have failed basic comprehension yet again. It said a thousand signed up wanting a new investigation. It doesn't say why they want one. If someone handed me a piece of paper and said "do you want a new investigation into 9/11" chances are I'd sign it, because I know what the outcome would be and it might just shut retards like you up forever.

From that tiny dodgy article you have assumed the motives of over a thousand people. Don't you realise that you do this all the time? Don't you realise that is why you come to such blatantly wrong conclusions all the time?

You better pray we keep asking questions because you wont like what happens when the questions are stopped altogether.

faceman: saving the world one contrived conspiracy theory at a time

when the questions are stopped altogether, why will having prayed you keep asking them, be any consolation?

haha, no. I mean that when the government refuses to be accountable to the people "answer questions" it will be too late to stop them.

Yet I bet if the government trotted out a thousand architects and engineers the conspiracy fans would be the first ones to cry foul, that they've been paid off or they're "in on it".

Well that has already happen. It was called the 9/11 Commission.

It doesn't say why they want one.

They just thought it might be fun to sign up and see what happens ?

Yeah maybe. Or they could have signed for the reasons I'd sign. Or they could sign for a thousand other reasons as well.

You actually think people put thought into signing a petition?

f*** yas



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A question for the "believers", has there ever been a conspiracy that you believed and then someone or something convinced you the official side was right?
Like when i was 12 i ate up all those ufo shows and unsolved mysteries and s*** like that, then when i got a little older i saw people point out things like "nostradamus just said a bunch of vague crap and people relate that to past events".

A somewhat interesting development in the 9/11 world.

WMR (The Wayne Masden Report) has learned from two El Al sources who worked for the Israeli airline at New York’s John F. Kennedy airport that on 9/11, hours after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded all civilian domestic and international incoming and outgoing flights to and from the United States, a full El Al Boeing 747 took off from JFK bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion International Airport.

The two El Al employee sources are not Israeli nationals but legal immigrants from Ecuador who were working in the United States for the airline.

The flight departed JFK at 4:11 pm and its departure was, according to the El Al sources, authorized by the direct intervention of the U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. military officials were on the scene at JFK and were personally involved with the airport and air traffic control authorities to clear the flight for take-off.

According to the 9/11 Commission report, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta ordered all civilian flights to be grounded at 9:45 am on September 11.

The New York Air Traffic control center’s audio tape of recollections of air traffic controllers made an hour and a half after the 9/11 attacks were destroyed by an air traffic control manager who did not face criminal charges for destroying physical evidence on the worst terrorist attack in American history. The Transportation Department later claimed the destruction of the tape was the result of mere “poor judgment.”

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5691.shtml

So some conspiracy nut posts yet another unsubstantiated story on the internet, wow.

I did a quick google to see where else the story has come up, and it's all on dodgy sites that look like the conspiracy version of answeringgenesis.

You've failed again at being able to distinguish between something that is obviously dodgy and something that isn't.

'What the f***?'

FaceMan, you should pay for Lord Monckton to come out and speak on behalf of you, he seems to be able to make normally intelligent people believe s*** by quoting odd and cherry picked figures, lieing etc etc.

I'm just not sure why he never had people believe in the other s*** he's preached before such as his inventing the ultimate AIDS, Cancer and Respitory illness treatment, his ending the falklands conflict, his being elected as an upper lords member, his idea to round up everyone with HIV and put them into forced quarantine, his belief that NASA blew up a satellite before it got into space so they couldn't prove global warming (after they'd spent millions on it), his belief the 'UN' banned DDT so that malaria would spread more, his ideas that no science should be taken seriously unless they have a proven tie to a religious order. (sorry, I'm just sure Faceman holds this guy in high regard as he's revered by infowars.com 'reporters' so am posting ha ha).

He'll push any idea if you've got the cash to push it!

The Israeli prime minister's team prepared a symbolic gift for visiting U.S. Vice President Joe Biden: a framed document announcing that several trees were planted in Jerusalem in memory of Biden's mother, a loyal supporter of Israel. But Netanyahu leaned on the present by mistake and shattered the glass frame. "I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass," the prime minister said, trying to improvise a joke during a joint news conference. It got worse.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/biden97575393b.jpg

"I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass,"
A reference to Kristallnacht ?
This time its Israel who will be breaking glass.

"I have one thing to offer you right now, and it's broken glass,"
A reference to Kristallnacht ?
This time its Israel who will be breaking glass.

So you're saying that Israel is offering to round up.. er.. someone.. and put them in concentration camps and murder a diplomat? Maybe they're telling them in a round about way they're going to assassinate the US ambassador to Israel?!

I always noticed you were a bit odd, but I didn't realise you were completely f***ing loopy?

What happens to sand when its nuked ?

What happens to sand when its nuked ?

You do know you're drawing a very very very long bow there don't you?

Creating a conspiracy ?

Creating a conspiracy ?

Of course creating a conspiracy... from nothing. I guess it's a skill! Like skipping, or elastics... and about equally as useful.

I can't tell sometimes how much of Faceman's posts are him having a laugh and playing the role of crazy conspiracy guy, and how much of it is actually real.

ahaha, just when faceman was starting to get a little normal he pulls this s***.

get professional help.

9/11 questions that need answering.

1. Why did the the twin towers collapse at free fall speed? The lower floors undamaged by anything gave zero resistance to the upper floors which they had held up for decades. No conspiracy, just want to know the physics behind the lack of resistance provided by the lower floors.

2. Why didn't the twin towers topple? The central columns which where designed to stop a failure in the building from toppling, also failed as they didn't remain upright.

3. Why did the basement collapse? After all it was designed to hold the towers up and did so for decades.

4. Why did World Tower 7 collapse? It was never hit buy a plan or debris. EDIT: It was hit by debris, but not badly enough to warrant a collapse, and again why did it not topple?
EDIT AGAIN: having read the link to debunking WTC 7 it makes logical sense that it should collapse.



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^

it's almost like you've never even tried to look into the answers yourself.

or read the links that have been posted several times in this thread so far that clearly address the questions you've asked... because they're the same questions that all arm-chair conspiracy retards ask.

The Towers collapsed because all that fire made the building gain so much weight that they collapsed.

More than half the 9/11 commissioners dont believe the Government told the truth.

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

oh s***, i think faceman has visited my work recently!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~davidbroughton/thirdeye.jpg

9/11 questions that need answering.

1. Why did the the twin towers collapse at free fall speed? The lower floors undamaged by anything gave zero resistance to the upper floors which they had held up for decades. No conspiracy, just want to know the physics behind the lack of resistance provided by the lower floors.

2. Why didn't the twin towers topple? The central columns which where designed to stop a failure in the building from toppling, also failed as they didn't remain upright.

3. Why did the basement collapse? After all it was designed to hold the towers up and did so for decades.

4. Why did World Tower 7 collapse? It was never hit buy a plan or debris. EDIT: It was hit by debris, but not badly enough to warrant a collapse, and again why did it not topple?
EDIT AGAIN: having read the link to debunking WTC 7 it makes logical sense that it should collapse.

gumby, glad to see you did the reading and found answers to your questions. But your post is a good example of the frustration of having to fight conspiracies. There have been well established answers to all of your questions for some time now, but people don't usually hear about them (or go looking). Instead, they hear the conspiracies and assume no one has addressed them...

where is that spook ?

also take a look at this... Illuminati = hollywood = Academy Awards


http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg35/ggb777/rising20sun.jpg

out the front of my office in west end

we're right on the river so often get odd types wandering through our front yard at all hours of the day/week

someone saw the triangle on the path and decided to improve on it!

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it forms "life"

Spook, don't encourage him! :P

Umm, I just watched all of that video that Faceman posted about symbols and movies and stuff.

Look a 9/11 is on the screen!

If you superimpose this here, and move this around a bit, and... there look! 9/11!

This is a powerful video guys.

lol

zomg look at fpot its a nutter run.

Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Conspiracy nuts are almost always pot heads which can only mean that marijuana can somehow disrupt the thought control devices installed in our heads at birth which make us believe all of their lies and is the real reason the governments want to keep pot illegal. Of course they make ridiculous claims about it causing mental illness but there's no real evidence!

I'm a little behind. Can someone who is up-to-date with Faceman threads tell me this:

Is there a conclusion that he's just taking the piss or does he really believe pretty much every nutbag conspiracy theory on the internet?

Serious question, thanks.

I am not to sure about Faceman. Sometimes the tone of his posts really sound like he is either taking the piss, or is a troll account trying too hard to sound crazy.

The true looney bin is Corrupt, you can almost see the bloodshot eyes and frothing mouth when he makes his 'insightful posts'. He has some sort of anxiety disorder because he got f***ed up the arse when he was a teenager at a party (true story)

u sure u didnt get a fist or 2 fpot when you were a youngin... youre the one spending far too long on qgl judging by your post count getting frothy mouthy at people you dont agree with... or are you just mad youre in a deadend job, aging, no partner, living in a 1bedroom s***hole wishing you didn't have to suck mommys cock when you were 5 ?

Hey it's the guy who utterly embarrassed himself earlier in this thread with his 'compelling 9/11 evidence' who also claimed the States 'provoked' Pearl Harbour.

How's it going?

never said it was compelling, so i don't know why you 'quoted me'

and i didn't say the states provoked it, the japanese generals in charge of the country in those days said that provocation was the motive for pearl harbour.

still, u didn't answer any of the last post about the fist

Well those generals were pretty obviously full of s*** weren't they. You seemed to agree with them though. And sorry the quotation marks were sort of meant to denote sarcasm. You seem to believe 9/11 was committed by the US government. Usually to believe something (well for normal people at least) as extreme in nature as that requires compelling evidence.

Oh and yeah no fists up the arse for me when I was younger.

try positioning yourself from a different point of view

its 1941, sun is shining, birds are singing, japan is raping the s*** out of china and korea.

now what would cause their military to make a decision to attack america.. you know, a reason. or they just felt like they could take on the biggest industrial nation in the world whilst conquering china and south east asia for s***s and giggles.



for a bit of context

fpot has 15000+ posts on qgl forum... its documented fact. he wouldn't dispute that

if some knownothingknowitall turns around in 50 years time and says 'there is no way fpot could possibly post that much thats just retarded he would've had to of been sitting at his computer non stop for 10 years waiting for a chance to post just utter s*** 99% of the time to get that many posts, its impossible'

yet the history books clearly state that yes he did indeed post an unhuman amount... does the knowitall just rewrite history to suit their obvious real interpretation and call everyone else a wanker/idiot/f***head/c***face, or is the knowitall just an idiot ?

You could look a bit deeper at the numbers. 17348 posts in 10 years = 4.75 posts a day. One post would take, what, two minutes to type on average? That's 10 minutes a day posting. An utterly inhuman (lol un) amount!

In 1941 there was a little event going on called WW2. Pearl Harbour was motivated by the the US cutting off Japan's resources I don't dispute that. What seems strange from you though is that you want to paint the US exclusively as the bad guys here. The US were desperate to stay neutral in WW2, but were forced into it by the Japanese attack. The Japanese were performing some evil s*** as well during WW2 that was close to if not as bad as some of the acts the Nazis were performing.

I am guessing by your lack of posting about 9/11 you've actually come around to the fact that maybe the US didn't commit those acts. Good for you.

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Shutup f*****.

in before the lock.

The Japs in WW2 were a******s, even if the American leadership prompted the attack, so the f*** what? The Japanese needed a good asskicking.

Pearl Harbour was motivated by the the US cutting off Japan's resources I don't dispute that. What seems strange from you though is that you want to paint the US exclusively as the bad guys here. The US were desperate to stay neutral in WW2

so now you've gone from disagreeing to agreeing with the japanese motive. they were not desperate to stay neutral in a broad sense. the people were, the government, the banks most definitely were not. is it impossible for you to draw the link between the us govt being in debt = power for the private federal reserve ? is there not a single entity in modern history that has benefited exclusively from nations being at war regardless of what they are/were ?

The Japs in WW2 were a******s, even if the American leadership prompted the attack, so the f*** what? The Japanese needed a good asskicking.

although its a thread sidetrack
maybe so, but you are doing what the media do, tarring an entire nation with the brush to suit the day. if the japs were a******s, what do you call the righteous nation who won the pacific war nuking 2 totally unmilitarised cities with nothing but civilians inhabiting them ?

go visit hiroshima and say so the f*** what. they are both as bad as each other.

If the Americans did not Nuke those two cities, the only other option was to invade. That would have killed far more Allied soldiers and Japanese soldiers and civilians than the two nukes. Would you prefer that?

by that logic we should've just nuked vietnam. why not theyre all only gooks anyway aren't they. gooks bad whitey good ?

edit: just thinking about that tired excuse makes me angry. there is no reason the yanks couldn't of demonstrated the power to the japanese leadership at the time without killing women and children. the only reason they did it is because the nuclear option was competing with the firebombing option against tokyo which incidentally killed more CIVILIANS in 1 night then the nukes did... not to mention the chemical warfare option that was also on the table which once again was designed to kill as many CIVILIANS as possible.

did they also have to firebomb dresden because otherwise those women and children would've stood a fighting chance and more would've died ?

how about the US imposed sanctions against iraq that killed more then a million ?

if anyone its the yanks who are the ultimate c***s and they still are today. but its ok coz we're allied with them

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Vietnam did not occupy several countries and kill MILLIONS of people.

Vietnam did not occupy several countries and kill MILLIONS of people.

yeah they were having a civil war with nothing to do with america, and here they came, trundling along, bombing the absolute s*** out of it. killing 2 million people for what ? something the people wanted anyway.

your train of logic suggests america should've involved itself in rwanda then ? they are the ultimate good at the end of the day arent they.

fpot is of the opinion that the yanks were desperate to stay neutral, you are of the opinion that the yanks are only fighting for the good all the time.

so what is it, a reason or a good excuse at the time.

coz the yanks could not give a flying f*** in 1930 when the japs first invaded china, annexed korea in 1910, fought the russians in 1890.

I never said anything about the yanks being the good guys. You're just an idiot, ignoring points made by me and fpot and anyone else stupid enough to waste their time on you.

Vietnam was in a different era, done by a completely different government in a different set of conditions (zomg save the world from communists). It is completely irrelevant to the point you originally made about america baiting japan to declare war/killing it's own citizens in 9/11.

You still haven't provided any evidence on that btw, don't even bother replying with more of your irrelevant and often completely wrong rants.

re: 9/11

pennsylvania crash site looks nothing at all like the dozens and dozens of airplane crash sites before it... hows that for a start. nothing is intact, no wings, landing gear, wheres the engines. i note fpot posted a pic of the fuselage about 1m x 1m next to some grass.... ok.

wtc7 collapsing, implosion style, not toppling. twin towers collapsing, implosion style, not toppling.



if you want to understand why there are skeptics, look at the timeline for every major war the yanks have been involved in and its a common theme. 9/11 is the obvious one for the 'wur on turrur'.

once again, ultimately, who benefits at the end of the day ? is it the iraqis ? afghans ? american people ? you ? me ? soldiers ?

answer that one

and if you can figure it out you'll find the source of all the skeptics' evil. here's a hint, they engineered the GFC. (you know the event that transferred all that private debt (trillions $) to the public) coz they were too big to fail

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America wasnt sitting on the sidelines in WW2. They were actively encouraging the countries that surrounded the Commies. Americas enemy was always the Commies.
As long as the Commies didnt take over Europe all was well.
They helped hitler until he signed the peace treaty with Russia. 2 days later it was War on Hitler.

They didnt care about the Japs running around raping China just as long as the Commies didnt take over China. Japan and Russia signed a peace deal in 1941.
It was later that year that America loaded up Pearl Harbour and waited for Japan to attack. They knew where the Japs were. It was like placing a warm pie on the window sill.
A Honey Trap.

If you look at World War 2 as the War to stop Communism you will see a very different kind of History then what has been told by Hollywood.
You might even look a little deeper at what happened AFTER World War 2 to see that America or ? was quite correct in their predictions.

Even as the Nazis were being pushed back towards the end of the War there was discussions taking place between the Allies and German Generals about Germany allying with the Allies and pushing Russia back to Moscow.
Hitlers mistake was to sign a Peace treaty with Russia.
Japans mistake was to sign a peace treaty with Russia.

The Pennsylvania crash was kind of unique in that the plane impacted nose first into the ground at high speed. Most plane crashes happen with the plane skidding along the ground which causes the classic looking plane crash site that you are used to seeing.

All the other stuff is years old s*** that has been debunked, along with 'whoa man the US benefited from it... it must be them!'. You're retarded.

I am not about to get into a debate over the nuking of Japan with you. You are simply not worth debating anything with, it's only worth it telling you when you are just simply wrong, which is pretty much all of the time.

How does it feel to have thoughts that align with someone as obviously off his tree like Faceman though? I'd be s***ting myself if I thought the same way he did... heh

Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment. [...] This new evidence, showing that the cockpit door never opened during flight, is another nail in the coffin of the official story about flight 77. Clearly, if the cockpit door never opened, then hijackers did not storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane. The data, which originated from the government, does not support the government’s story."

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

So how did the hijackers control the plane ? Telepathy ?

Wait, I thought a missile hit the pentagon? So many stories! I don't know what's true!!!

GOOGLE: Trying very hard not to be evil.



The US Presidents entourage

TEH GOOGLEZ ARE STAELING YOUR DNA JUST LIKE DARTH VADER!?@#!?

edit: i don't get it, where's the world ending, puppy-murdering, child-abusing conspiracy in the hungry beast on obama's entourage?

last edited by taggs at 08:08:41 23/Mar/10

TEH GOOGLEZ ARE STAELING YOUR DNA JUST LIKE DARTH VADER!?@#!?

edit: i don't get it, where's the world ending, puppy-murdering, child-abusing conspiracy in the hungry beast on obama's entourage?last edited by taggs at 08:08:41 23/Mar/10

HHHuuuhhh?