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Topic: Tesla Model 3 - review
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7753
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Doug does a pretty good review of the Model 3.

As a huge electric car nerd, I found it a little disappointing.

When the various "Australia Taxes" are added, I reckon this car will cost around 50 grand for the base model. And for that sort of money I'd like the car to have body panels that fit properly and a few more buttons and switches so I'm not hunting around a flat screen menu to open the glove box ffs.
One commenter suggested that it should have a heads up display - I agree, and it should come as standard.

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trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39310
Location: Other International

I think it looks pretty awesome! So much great attention to detail in it (though explains why they're having production problems with so many fiddly little bits of cool stuff :)

I really dislike the big screen approach too; I want more proper physical buttons. I didn't realise it was an option you could pay more for but it makes sense. It seems like a huge distraction & I hate the idea of night driving with a giant luminous screen blasting in my eyes (tho maybe they have a decent night mode for it to reduce the impact).

The app-as-key thing I kind of like; even though it's another annoying point of failure to have to worry about the backup keycard system probably covers almost every other use case (unless someone steals your phone and your wallet at the same time, but you're just as likely now to have your phone, card and wallet stolen together anyway so not sure it's a big risk).

I am not convinced heads up displays are safe for driving so don't think they're necessary.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7754
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hmm yeah I like the heads up display for the speedo and indicator lights.

Like the dude in the video, I have driven cars with the mid mounted speedo (Toyota echo and Nissan X-trail) and I could never get used to it.
hardware
Posts: 11704
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
An interesting watch. Seems like for every cool thing there was an equally annoying thing.
Did you see the metal seams inside the boot! Shocking.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7755
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Nah I missed it. What part in the video was it?
hardware
Posts: 11705
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
When he's talking about that boot vent thing. Check out the seams.
fukles
Posts: 6176
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

looks awesome i reckon, can't wait to get one.
remember this is the budget range but still has all the auto pilot and quick drive train
dais
Posts: 12231
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

This guy talks really fast and has a really annoying voice. But it was a good video, cheers. Here's another one that is basically the same, but by two people who take twice as long. They measure everything in the car, which gets boring fast, but interesting to know if you are super serious. It's a bit more in depth.

Twisted
Posts: 12286
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

It really feels like a huge gimmick to me. It will probably be what cars will end up being like 10-20 years down the track, but right now I felt it was super bland and boring. The big console screen, I think the novelty would wear off quite quickly and like Trog I would be interested to know what happens at night...
hardware
Posts: 11707
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
so many things are different just for the sake of being different
or are changed for some marginal purpose with no view to livability and servicability in mind (glove box, door handles etc)
I cannot look past these pragmatic flaws just because of the overarching 'electric, cool!' or 'f*** the establishment' rhetoric.
shody
Posts: 108
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Not having the speedo, indicators, et cetera in front of the driver, I believe, is a very deliberate step towards Ol' Elon's dream of a driverless future.

This is just a baby step to get people more used to the idea of not being in control.
mission
Posts: 9318
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
so many things are different just for the sake of being different
or are changed for some marginal purpose with no view to livability and servicability in mind (glove box, door handles etc)
I cannot look past these pragmatic flaws just because of the overarching 'electric, cool!' or 'f*** the establishment' rhetoric.


I agree.

I didn't watch the whole video as the car just came across as a massive wank.

Yes, the electric underpinnings are a great advancement but all the other s*** is just unnecessary. The interior is balls.

Maybe I'm getting old :/
dais
Posts: 12234
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Not having the speedo, indicators, et cetera in front of the driver, I believe, is a very deliberate step towards Ol' Elon's dream of a driverless future.


Spot on.
Vash
Posts: 5585
Location:

The ipad looking dash looks alittle weird. Like its just hanging there without any contours or looking like it's a part of the dash.
Twisted
Posts: 12287
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Not having the speedo, indicators, et cetera in front of the driver, I believe, is a very deliberate step towards Ol' Elon's dream of a driverless future.
Yeah, but the nothingness is completely s*** house. The car feels very spartan and cheep looking at that video. Cold and uninviting. Its nice to have his dream of driverless cars and all, but the reality is that by the time we actually have driverless cars out in the wild in anger beyond the current test releases, this car will be the equivalent to a 2001 Astra.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39318
Location: Other International

I loved the simplicity of the interior.
Yes, the electric underpinnings are a great advancement but all the other s*** is just unnecessary. The interior is balls.
I thought all that "unneccessary" stuff is what made it great. Like the hooks for grocery bags in the boot, the charging system for phones (you can just swap out cables! it's a car built for nerds). I thought it showed a lot of attention to detail for little things that will improve your life in small but meaningful ways.

I watched the video again and now I hate the big screen in the middle even more. I think that is the ugliest and most awful part about the interior by a long shot.
fpot
Posts: 26090
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I love the big screen!
Furgle
Posts: 1106
Location:
I hope the car isn't made from aluminium. Takes forever to fix... 4.5 months in the bodyshop for me, for a relatively minor incident. If it was my wife's prius, it would have been fixed in 2 weeks.

https://i.redd.it/r4m0nxgve48z.jpg

I've been given a BMW M3 as a loaner car and I hate all the buttons. The touch screen and steering wheel buttons on the Model S are so much more easier to use.

Regarding day vs night, the car switches to night mode when it's dark. The colours on the screen are inverted and the map changes it's colour scheme. It's never really been a distraction.

It does have the benefit of having an extra high res screen behind the steering wheel. I'd be wanting a heads up display otherwise.

last edited by Furgle at 09:24:17 13/Nov/17
Ickus
Posts: 625
Location: Perth, Western Australia

4.5 months in the bodyshop for me


WTF are they doing? Surveying for bauxite so they can build a mine and dig it up?
Furgle
Posts: 1107
Location:
Apparently parts are hard to come by and most made as required, there's stuff all spares available. You can't panel-beat aluminium, so lots of panels have to be removed and re-riveted and glued. I just got a call that the final part arrived (inside drivers door handle) and the car will be tested, detailed, and ready by Thursday.

I don't have my hopes up, I've been given these sorts of promised many times over the last month or so.

At least the whole car got a re-spray, so I can go and get one of those ceramic paint protection coats done.
Twisted
Posts: 12288
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Like the hooks for grocery bags in the boot
Most modern cars have come with grocery hooks for a while (at least everything I've driven in recent years). Some also come with adjustable floors for separating groceries out (mine does, gimmick you never use it). All pretty standard stuff I reckon.
the charging system for phones (you can just swap out cables! it's a car built for nerds).
Same the car I bought 3 years ago. I would assume all cars come with USB charger ports in some configuration that you plug your cables into. Cars at a $30k+ price point you would expect cable routing channels, phone/tablet charging docks/ports and all those gimmicks as standard (I would anyway).

I think Tesla putting out a cheaper car is great for competition and getting competitors to up their game, and I really like they're pushing battery technology forward. But apart from the fact that it is electric, has cool software, and a huge screen on the centre console (that looks like it was stuck on there as an after thought), I don't see anything inspiring about the model 3 that I haven't seen in cars over the last 3 years in terms of build/physical attributes. For software its miles ahead of the pack.
4.5 months in the bodyshop for me, for a relatively minor incident.
What the f***! That is a ridiculous amount of time. I'd say they're having problems getting parts from Tesla then because its not like they're going to 'fix' the panel on your door, that's a write off surely. I didn't even think most insurers would give you a loaner for 4.5 months.
Furgle
Posts: 1108
Location:
What the f***! That is a ridiculous amount of time. I'd say they're having problems getting parts from Tesla then because its not like they're going to 'fix' the panel on your door, that's a write off surely. I didn't even think most insurers would give you a loaner for 4.5 months.


$30k worth of damage on a $200k car. They're not going to write that off.

My insurer wont pay for a loaner car, I had to sue the at-fault party for it. Lucky there's companies that will do that for you
Twisted
Posts: 12289
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

$30k worth of damage on a $200k car. They're not going to write that off.
I mean the panel is a write off, not the car. I mean I guess it might be fixable, but that seems to me that they would just get a new panel for the door shipped from the manufacturer (Tesla).
Furgle
Posts: 1109
Location:
Definitely new panels and doors. You can't fix aluminium like steel.

https://i.imgur.com/TF49kXy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/j2yT1O0.jpg
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39320
Location: Other International

Furgle, holy s*** that sucks :( bad luck. I guess once they become more mainstream the parts will become more widely available.

but...
WTF are they doing? Surveying for bauxite so they can build a mine and dig it up?
this was hilarious
hardware
Posts: 11708
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Woah that's full on furgle, thanks for sharing the cool pics!

I remember similar happening when an ally taxi depot started using volkswagens - one got sideswiped, and was going to be three weeks in the shop, including waiting for parts from germany.

With a Falcon, if you couldn't slap on a new door and fender that arvo and get it back out that same night, then something was really wrong.
mission
Posts: 9320
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I remember similar happening when an ally taxi depot started using volkswagens - one got sideswiped, and was going to be three weeks in the shop, including waiting for parts from germany.


Yep, the downsides to having an 'exclusive' or less common car.

We have a Isuzu D-Max and it got hit in the back, not too bad, but parts took ages - I think it was off the road for about a month.

My cousin (who now as a Tesla S) used to have a an Audi A8 (something like that, V8, twin turbo thing) and it got hit in the side bent the wheel. It was off the road for a few months and cost over $30k in repairs...
hardware
Posts: 11710
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah, I've only ever owned one car that wasn't basically in the top five most sold models that year, and i was forced to buy things directly from Honda unless I wanted to wait for ages from overseas.

Ya need to have a very good reason to buy a car that isn't one of the most common models from its respective year.
paveway
Posts: 21407
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Ya need to have a very good reason to buy a car that isn't one of the most common models from its respective year.


such a hardware thing to say lol
Furgle
Posts: 1110
Location:
Ya need to have a very good reason to buy a car that isn't one of the most common models from its respective year.



Is "It's ridiculously quick" a good enough reason?
fpot
Posts: 26092
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Ludicrously quick even.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39321
Location: Other International

Well hardware has a point. If you're prepared to sacrifice a few months when you have any sort of maintenance issue instead of a few days in return for the ludicrously quickness of it then it makes sense. I guess it depends on your insurance & whether you get a replacement car and a bunch of other factors. But it's certainly a trade off.

I'm about to hit four years of living overseas and not having a car and it is so liberating. I am planning to return to Australia soon and it's really sad for me to think I'm probably going to have to buy a car - although I'm going to see how long I can last without it, but it depends on what my partner ends up doing more than anything else.

I would buy a model 3 in a heartbeat if it was cheaper though :D but if I have to get one, I'm going to get the cheapest thing with the simplest repair and maintenance costs I can find
Furgle
Posts: 1111
Location:
I'm whole again

https://i.imgur.com/Z4g575Q.jpg

But now I want to trade it in for the new roadster...
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7757
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I wanna get a Tesla truck charge it up with wind and solar and then go do laps around 2GB and Fox News Australia
Spook
Posts: 40871
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
did we cover this yet?
dais
Posts: 12235
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Tesla Semi - https://www.tesla.com/semi/

Tesla Roadster - https://www.tesla.com/roadster/

The new Roadster is unprecedented. 0-60mph in 1.9 seconds on the base model. It has a 200kwh battery pack and can do more than 1000km on a single charge.
Spook
Posts: 40872
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
10000nm torque is ridic.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39326
Location: Other International

yeh that Roadster looks sick. I guess it will be what, 400k by the time it hits Australia?

Btw they have been advertising the electric VW Golf here in UK recently & just read some interesting comments from an owner. Sounds like a good car (if you can get past Dieselgate) but from what I can see it's just another electric car not available in .au :(
hardware
Posts: 11715
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
if you can get past Dieselgate
I can't.
To me, this kind of thing smacks of a company where lying is systemic. Where management is obviously so insufferable and the environment so toxic that they'd let something like that go out into production, worldwide. I'm upset they haven't been damaged more by it.
But dieselgate is a bigger issue, it revealed to the wider public that diseasels, as i've called them for ages, are terrible motors and the only way to make them conform to the already slackened-for-diesels Euro standards is to cheat.

There's a reason why diesel sales in passenger vehicles are the lowest they've been in 9 years, and that's because diesel in anything this side of a truck is only ever a fad, just as the diesel gemini's and diesel merc 300d's were in the 80s.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7758
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
so much geek jizz spilled

trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39332
Location: Other International

I can't.
To me, this kind of thing smacks of a company where lying is systemic. Where management is obviously so insufferable and the environment so toxic that they'd let something like that go out into production, worldwide. I'm upset they haven't been damaged more by it.
But dieselgate is a bigger issue, it revealed to the wider public that diseasels, as i've called them for ages, are terrible motors and the only way to make them conform to the already slackened-for-diesels Euro standards is to cheat.

There's a reason why diesel sales in passenger vehicles are the lowest they've been in 9 years, and that's because diesel in anything this side of a truck is only ever a fad, just as the diesel gemini's and diesel merc 300d's were in the 80s.
nothing has convinced me diesel should die like living in the city of London; the air is disgusting. It is unlikely I'd be looking for a car in VWs generic price range (which IIRC is quite a bit higher than Japanese cars in Aus?) but I think I cannot look past dieselgate either. I think they will pay their fines and their corporate outlook will change as a result, but they do deserve to be punished in the market for their actions.
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