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Topic: Habits you don't miss
anonymousxvi
Posts: 33
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hi everyone just thought it would be a fun exercise to list habits you dohn't miss

Drinking alcohol

I can now say im alcohol free and I feel much better for it.

Now its your turn.
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Taipan
Posts: 5014
Location: USA

After 32 years I have been off the smokes since the 4th of may 2016.

I took up boxing which was what gave me the final push to get off them.
PornoPete
Posts: 2846
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I don't miss smoking either. But haven't smoked for quite a while now. Over a decade I should think.
FaceMan
Posts: 12930
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
playing too much Starcraft still,
time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Oscar Wilde

I can now say im alcohol free and I feel much better for it.

How do you know that if you dont Drink ?
Looking to take a healthy Liver with you to Heaven ?

Life is too short to not enjoy Vices.
Vash
Posts: 5582
Location:

Some people have genes that makes Alcohol much more addictive & harmful to them mentally. Others can drink for years and never have a problem. Though depends on quantity too.
notgreazy
Posts: 856
Location: Other International

Some people have genes that makes Alcohol much more addictive & harmful to them mentally. Others can drink for years and never have a problem. Though depends on quantity too.

abusing people on the internet because i think it's cool

from time to time the monster comes out, but i try to think why this person posted this particular comment, in this particular thread, on this particular day. Maybe they're having a horrible week, or they are lonely and want attention. Who knows. We are all human. We should respect each other.
Khel
Posts: 23939
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Made a lot of big changes to my diet recently, but one thing I don't miss is caffeine/coke. Was drinking a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery a few months back then I never picked it back up again. Was pretty awful for the first week from withdrawals, but now I don't miss it at all, and feel generally a lot better without it.
notgreazy
Posts: 857
Location: Other International

honest question: how do you wake up in the morning? I suffer without my coffee hit.
mission
Posts: 9316
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery


Good lord, that's a lot of crap drink. Was your surgery for kidney stones or something else likely related to poor liquid intake?

Khel
Posts: 23940
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

honest question: how do you wake up in the morning? I suffer without my coffee hit.


Yeah, see thats what I thought would be hard too, but its only hard to get going in the morning most likely because your body is needing that caffeine hit. Once I got the caffeine out my system, I've found, I don't actually need to rely on it anymore. I sleep better and I wake up feeling better. I mean the first few weeks were f***ing awful, but after that, I don't find I'm needing it at all. I occasionally have an iced coffee maybe mid afternoon if I need a pick me up, but only very occasionally, and because its only very occasionally it ends up being far more effective than when I was slamming down caffeine all day in the past

Good lord, that's a lot of crap drink. Was your surgery for kidney stones or something else likely related to poor liquid intake?


Nah, it wasn't anything like that, I drank a fair bit of water in amongst that too, wasn't living purely on coke :)
FaceMan
Posts: 12931
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Diet Coke Pepsi Max Coke Zero are 99% water
Its harmless.
Obviously caffeine can cause problems but you'd need to be drinking a lot.
Perhaps you were drinking the Coke to mask an underlying issue ?

I dont Believe Genes have anything to do with Alcoholism.
Drug Abuse is a personal choice like choosing to be an a******.
thug
Posts: 271
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i pretty much gave up coke and all soft drink, ain't no body messin with my coffee tho,
Vash
Posts: 5583
Location:



I dont Believe Genes have anything to do with Alcoholism.
Drug Abuse is a personal choice like choosing to be an a******.
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/familyhistory/famhist.htm

Many scientific studies, including research conducted among twins and children of alcoholics, have shown that genetic factors influence alcoholism. These findings show that children of alcoholics are about four times more likely than the general population to develop alcohol problems. Children of alcoholics also have a higher risk for many other behavioral and emotional problems. But alcoholism is not determined only by the genes you inherit from your parents. In fact, more than one–half of all children of alcoholics do not become alcoholic. Research shows that many factors influence your risk of developing alcoholism. Some factors raise the risk while others lower it.


Genes do have a part to play.
shad
Posts: 4097
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Haven't smoked for 17 years. Had some bad eating habits which I don't miss.
FaceMan
Posts: 12933
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
didnt see any Genes in there Vash
Sounds like another "I Believe in..." style of science.

Addictions are a choice.

hardware
Posts: 11703
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Don't smoke, hardly drink (1 std drink per week on avg), don't drink coffee.

So my bad habit is being a judgemental gossip
reload!
Posts: 7736
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Bit my nails until I was like 20. After the first day of my mechanic apprenticeship I never bit them again. Haven't touched tools since like 2012 but the aversion stuck.
mission
Posts: 9317
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Diet Coke Pepsi Max Coke Zero are 99% water
Its harmless.


Sounds perfectly harmless to me.

Carbonated Water, Colour (Caramel-E150d), Sweeteners (Aspartame, Acesulfame K), Phosphoric Acid, Flavourings (Including Caffeine), Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Citric Acid. Contains a source of Phenylalanine.


Spook
Posts: 40850
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
alcohol is a habit i need to break.

just off 5 weeks off drinking, but have gone back in an attempt at moderation.

never seems to work :(
anonymousxvi
Posts: 34
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
keep trying spook
Taipan
Posts: 5015
Location: USA

Made a lot of big changes to my diet recently, but one thing I don't miss is caffeine/coke. Was drinking a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery a few months back then I never picked it back up again. Was pretty awful for the first week from withdrawals, but now I don't miss it at all, and feel generally a lot better without it.


Dropping as much sugar out of your diet as you can is always going to be a good thing. I stopped drinking any kind of soft drink 2 years ago this month, I lost 7kgs in about 6 weeks from that one change alone. I had a sip of a coke about 6 months after I stopped and it actually tasted frigging horrible and I was actually pretty happy that it did, I have no desire to pick it up again.
paveway
Posts: 21397
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Spook getting drunk and posting bad music on FB
Spook
Posts: 40853
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thats just mean :(
anonymousxvi
Posts: 36
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
paveway give him some support instead of putting him down hes trying to change his habits :)

cheers if you really are trying spook :)
anonymousxvi
Posts: 38
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm close to giving up smoking. :)

Work to better yourselves people :)

Props to all the people doing that :)

Many smiles :) :) :)
Taipan
Posts: 5016
Location: USA

thats just mean :(


How old are you mate? Im just curious because I used to put away a f*** ton of booze and frankly I could deal with it pretty easy, well easy until I hit about 32/33. I got to a point where itd take me half a week to recover from hitting it on something like a Saturday night. I just couldn't do it any more, it was making everything hard and I simply had to stop. Mind you there was one incident that gave me the push, I put away a bottle and a half of Jameson's in about 2 and a half hours and I swear it damn near killed me. The entire night was pretty much a total blackout and the next few days were horrendous. I stopped drinking for 12 years after that occurrence with the exception of a few drinks on a flight from Brissy to LA. I do drink now but only lite beer and I only ever have made a max of 4 or 5 in a night. I don't miss it and its made easier by the memory of how f***ed it was back when I used to hit it pretty hard.

I am aware that I have a very addictive personality and I have been aware of it since I was a teenager so thankfully I had enough fear of that side of myself never to get into anything else. It sounds kind of dumb but I feel lucky that booze and smokes were my thing and I was able to eventually shake them both off.

Good luck to ya mate
Spook
Posts: 40855
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.
anonymousxvi
Posts: 39
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Please try and Moderate spook :D
paveway
Posts: 21399
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

paveway give him some support instead of putting him down hes trying to change his habits :)


you have 36 posts

piss off

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all.


to be fair, you have 5 beers and black out.

that is probably why
notgreazy
Posts: 858
Location: Other International

im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.

buy expensive micro brew, become a connoisseur of beer who uses words such as "Cuvée", "Palate" and "Trocken". You'll be that cool dad only drinks top stuff.

If money won't influence your drinking, then you're an alcho.
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 18484
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Smoking pot. I used to smoke it daily, or close to it, for several years. Even though I haven't had any for close to two years now, I know with certainty that if I had it immediately available I would smoke a small amount daily and probably slowly increasing the dosage overtime until I ran out.
However I have zero urge to actually go out of my way to get any, it's only if it is already there.

Ok, I lie, I miss it a little..


I used to refrain from sharing any of my inner experiences, only really shared superficial stuff. Occasionally I would let something slip.
Now I can manage to share a little bit, for a short time. Then I recoil and tend to shut down for quite some time afterwards.
It's easier to do anonymously, however that also takes its toll.


Staying up way too late and then not getting enough sleep and repeating this for weeks on end, caused havoc with my already high tendency to dissociate. Now I only do it for a couple days at a time and try to have an absolute cut off of 12:00am. I rarely sleep past 7:30am regardless of how much sleep I need.

There are probably more that I've forgotten about and will remember later.

Spook
Posts: 40856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If money won't influence your drinking, then you're an alcho.


yer brah, im an alco. even buying the cheap stuff adds up when you do it regularly enough though. (its another reason i should stop)
anonymousxvi
Posts: 40
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Pot is one of the worst drugs ever get off that s*** tollazor its bad news :D
Zenmaster
Posts: 39
Location: Queensland

yer brah, im an alco. even buying the cheap stuff adds up when you do it regularly enough though. (its another reason i should stop)


I hope it didn't cost you your family dude.
Spook
Posts: 40857
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Nah, they are good reason for me to keep it together
infi
Posts: 23827
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

to be fair, you have 5 beers and black out.


ssssh pave don't ruin the no hangover image
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 18487
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Pot is one of the worst drugs ever get off that s*** tollazor its bad news :D


I did, about 10 years ago, had a little bit every now and then. I'd still smoke myself stupid if it was in the house, probably on account of not really being able to feel emotions/empathy very well, it helps fill that void up for a little while, at first anyway, then it just makes it worse.

Taipan
Posts: 5017
Location: USA

im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.



You a beer guy, Wine, spirits or all?

My biggest issue before it got to much for me was the speed at which I could knock them back. I could absolutely smash a bottle of Bundy in no time and pretty much show no effects from it to others. That all came to a screaming halt as I mention in the other posts. It damn near felt like it happened over night, I simply had to slow down or stop because even today I just drink way to fast for what my body can handle. I guess I just got old lol

(edit) Do you listen to Bill Burr's podcast? Because you kind of sound a little like him, he isn't an out of control drinker, but when he drinks he drinks.
Spook
Posts: 40859
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
heh, yer i purposely dont drink spirits coz they write me off too quick.

im a wine/beer guy!
Mass
Posts: 1683
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Just had the last month off the booze..... I'm a regular drinker but never really to excess. Was good to get out of the habit of having a drink when I got home from work. Couldn't tell you if I feel any better for it, pretty sure my liver would say yes.
BOOST
Posts: 775
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I stumbled upon a post on reddit the other day about a medication called Naltrexone that people are using to help them get off booze. There is a subreddit here where people discuss it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Alcoholism_Medication/

On the side bar you can see the "Sinclair method". It sounds interesting... retraining your brain to not enjoy alcohol over time. Been meaning to look into it further.
Spook
Posts: 40862
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i use campral. it works for me in that it kills the desire for booze.

has side effects that i dont like though. a general fuzziness creeps into your mind. after taking it for a month or so, you get to the end of the day and the start of the day seems a million miles away. get a bit forgetful and stuff. no good for my job.

it also kills the ability to have fun which i dont like either.

lately i have been reading a variety of books on the subject aw well. some were great
"a happier hour" - rebecca weller (although female focused and this poor bird suffered horribly the next day after drinking, so i identified with some of her issues, but not all, still got a lot from it)

"memoirs of an addicted mind" - marc lewis. This book was great, mainly about the brain chemistry of addiction (for marcs case it was mainly to drugs). was very interesting to read of some of his behaviours and the reasons why his brain operated in this way (which i could identify with). was also nice to read that my problems are minor in the overall scheme of things, he was dealing with real big issues.

last edited by Spook at 07:14:13 14/Nov/17
mission
Posts: 9319
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Check out the below pod cast for an insight into a chronic alcoholic:

https://www.acast.com/addicted/ashbradnampt1

Phooks
Posts: 3287
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


TALK TO A PROFESSIONAL

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/mental-health/help-lines/addiction

http://www.psychology.org.au/FindaPsychologist/

https://au.reachout.com/tough-times/addiction
Phooks
Posts: 3288
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Seriously this thread is a typical sample of mental health stigma and lack of awareness. When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that', but crippling alcohol addictions? yeah nah mate heres a f***ing subreddit linking to an experimental drug
paveway
Posts: 21402
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

https://i.imgur.com/P6XduSJ.gif
Phooks
Posts: 3291
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

lol quality post
Insom
Posts: 4634
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that'

not necessarily true, people give each other half-assed advice on stackoverflow all the time
hardware
Posts: 11709
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Seriously, my utmost empathy for you all who have habits that are harder to walk away from than you'd like.

I just simply don't find alcohol or pot or coffee or ciggies interesting enough to be anything but apathetic about them. I will usually buy a carton of beer at the start of the year and have difficulty with the last of it going off in october or november.

Probably sugar (chocolate/icecream) is my biggest issue. BMI is fine, fitness is good, but I think I should get my energy from some less crappy sources.
Spook
Posts: 40863
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
sugar?

ewwwwwwwwww
BOOST
Posts: 776
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Seriously this thread is a typical sample of mental health stigma and lack of awareness. When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that', but crippling alcohol addictions? yeah nah mate heres a f***ing subreddit linking to an experimental drug


Calm down champ. I linked to the subreddit not as advice but to add to the discussion. I am interested in cutting back myself and wanted to see if others had tried a medicinal approach (which spook kindly added his experiences).

I don't believe we're talking about crippling alcohol addictions tbh.

And that is not a experimental drug.

As a software developer I don't recall ever only listening to "experts".

But please continue to enlighten us all.
Spook
Posts: 40867
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yer, i found boost's stuff interesting.

lead me to this, which was interesting and got me some more stuff to read:

https://luxury.rehabs.com/campral-acomprosate/vs-naltrexone/
paveway
Posts: 21409
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

don't stop a good triggering
Hogfather
Posts: 16821
Location: Cairns, Queensland

not necessarily true, people give each other half-assed advice on stackoverflow all the time

At least they have a voting system so that deranged advice can get knocked on the head.
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 18489
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The use of Naltrexone to help with alcohol dependence would likely be useful (if it ends up being useful) to those who have a chronic history of PTSD like symptoms. Stuff like derealisation/depersonalisation, hypervigilence, chronic anxiety, anhedonia, avoidance, denial, etc.

It would likely be a low-dose medication used at least daily, preferably in a long-release dosage form.
The approach would be an attempt to shift a hypothesised chronic state of heavily down-regulated opioid receptors as measured by a low receptor densities. This abnormal receptor state is due to a long term recurring stimulation of the opioid system due to biological and psychological factors. Likely an attempt to mitigate recurring emotional (and physical) pain, particularly those occurring during the developmental years.
This abnormal state would cause this biological mitigation attempt to produce more and more endogenous opiods in order to stimulate the receptors enough to reduce the pain to tolerable levels. This in turn causes downward pressure on the opioid receptors, creating a chronic cyclic state. As each receptor type has different properties and biological outcomes, not all receptors down/up regulate equally. So as the concentration of endogenous opioids in the system increases (in order to get the desired response from low-density receptors) various opiate-like side effects begin to emerge, such as the dissociatve symptoms mentioned above.

Behavioual outcomes from a chronically overstimulated and poorly responsive opiate system may include self-medication in order to reduce the emotional/physical pain (consciously perceived or not), as these medications/drugs (whatever you want to call them) can help reduce the pain that the opioid system can't seem handle enough.

A potential problem with a chronically activated opioid system like that discussed above is that the dissociatve type symptoms, the avoident behaviours, the self-medication behaviours, etc significantly interfere with any attempts to address the underlying issues leading to a chronically stimulated state.

And this is where Naltrexone comes into play. By blockading the opioid receptors with naltrexone, the so the animal studies show, the biological feedback mechanisms that down-regulate these receptors doesn't get activated, nor does blocked receptors biological function get activated. The receptors instead start to become upregulated, which over time will allow for a lesser amount of endogenous opiod required to active the receptors, allowing for a more 'normal' biological response to pain and with effective treatment may help the sufferer learn healthy management stratagies that they never had a chance to learn prior to this chronic hyperactivated state.

This may, in turn, result that previous behaviours that facilitated the opioid receptors function will no longer be useful to avoid the emotional pain, some of the associated systems such as dissociation, those that facilitate avoidance and denial will be less effective.
In other words, the pain will become harder to ignore and manage by previously learned maladaptive strategies.
This opens up the potential to use therapy to address the underlying issues without automatic, defensive maladpative behaviours causing significant interference. They will still be a problem, but less so, enough to perhaps make previously ineffective therapy, effective.

For some though, they will increase their reliance on outside sources to mitigate this pain and it may make their addictions worse, their avoidance worse, etc.

That's the idea anyway, as I understand it at least.

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 12:54:08 17/Nov/17
taggs
Posts: 6530
Location:

f*** that's heavy toll, I need a drink
hardware
Posts: 11714
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That was excellent Toll. Thanks for that, I learnt a lot.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39325
Location: Other International

The thing that made me stop drinking the most in the last few years was basically not working (and thus having basically no income) for ~18 months, so I simply stopped spending money on alcohol. Even though I was in the US where it was super cheap it made a huge difference to my weekly spend. I still drank but just nowhere near as regularly. I lost 8-9 kilos too (though that was mostly because I was playing football 3-4 times a week that whole time) and eating really carefully & cheaply as well.
Spook
Posts: 40870
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yup, weight loss is a major driver for me wanting to stop as well.
Phooks
Posts: 3294
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

lol k I'm wrong. enjoy your mental health fellas
PornoPete
Posts: 2853
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

lol k I'm wrong. enjoy your mental health fellas


How does that make you feel phooks?
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