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Topic: New PC build advice.
demon
Posts: 7747
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hey QGL ppls..

i need to put a new gaming computer together for my nephew & i have no idea what is good & what isn't atm :p so i have slapped the following parts list together & would like to get some feedback from any gamers in the know with current hardware..

Case Corsair Crystal 460X
CPU Intel Core i7-7700K Socket LGA1151
Motherboard Asrock Z270-Gaming-K6 LGA1151
Graphics Card Gigabyte Geforce GTX1080 WinForce 8GB
Memory G.Skill RIPJAWS 4 16GB KIT 2X8GB F4-2133C15D-16GRR DDR4 2133 MHZ
SSD Crucial MX300 525GB SATA Internal SSD
HDD Western Digital Purple NV 4TB / 64MB SATAIII
Power Supply Corsair 750W TX750M 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

it needs to be capable of ultra hd 3840x2160... any advice on a good lcd monitor that can do that would also be much appreciated! cheers!
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IVY_MiKe
Posts: 2170
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

A couple of quick points that I can see...

1) You've not listed a CPU Cooler (the 'K' models don't come with the OEM cooling fan, and from first hand experience, the 7700K's run erratically warm so if your case can accomodate; go with a AIO (preferably a 240mm))
2) for the money you're about to spend on a GTX 1080; buy a 'Ti' model. If you need to justify a little extra headroom there, look up manufacturer's promo's and score some free games or some extra hardware for the new build using one of their claim schemes.
3) Avoid the Crucial SSD. Eyeball a non-NVMe either m.2 or 2.5" SATA SSD; I'd recommend the Samsung 850 series for 'bang for buck' if not one of the now aged Intel 525's.
4) do NOT put a 4TB mechanical disk in that system. Buy a NAS for storage; or an external USB HDD, and stick a second SSD in your gaming rig (1TB 2.5" SSD's are <$500 now...) go that route and thank me later.

5) Take a look at the base and then OC Clock speeds on the 7700K CPU... I'm pretty sure you want 2400MHz RAM at least (not that there's any real-world difference, but for the price difference, you might as well at least try to clock match your CPU Mobo and RAM.

I put together a fairly similar system in January into a Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX Case and am loving it (although the 120mm AIO CPU Cooler I've used isn't amazing... it at least keeps the CPU in/around 70 degrees over the summer months...)


Oh yeah; I bought a Corsair 'I-series' PSU for my build; and I would not recommend them. the thing is physically massive, and the 'i-link' software is bloatware at best...
Buy a Silverstone PSU in a similar draw, and you'll find it'll be 2/3rds the size, and probably have better ratings on it's 12V rails.
trillion
Posts: 4192
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
the only consideration i'd really recommend to change with that build is the SATA SSD to the newer m.2 form factor

they're smaller, quieter and deliver noticeable improvements over the older 2.5" SATA interface unit's

the Samsung 950 256 or 500Gb has been great in my build so far. the 960 Pro with NVMe apparently do better than the 950's on large q small file r/w transfer latencies, but it's probably not very much of a real improvement especially considering the extra cost of the 960P models

i suppose it would be more noticeable of a difference in a RAID 0 configuration

as for the 4K resolution panel, an AOC (60Hz) or a BenQ gaming model (144Hz or 240Hz) would match up with a 1080 or 1080Ti well, depends on the game and the framerate/skill level that neffy has. you just have to evaluate the cost/feature differences and decide if they're worth it for you

I have an AOC u2868PQU which is 60Hz running by a 1080Ti, it doesn't have G-Sync or any of the nicer syncing related technologies of the higher end gaming panels or 21:9 monsters but it runs everything i've played on it at Ultra and then some by pushing the AA setting's to their highest in game, usually 8 or 16x depending on the engine

so yeah the 1080 Ti is really impressive. the AIO water cooling unit's are now shipping with GPU brackets that replace the OEM heatsinks and fan cooling unit's, so the price of water cooling the GPU is now much less for the same result. the only reason you'd water cool without an AIO unit now is for the enjoyment of the challenge and the look of the end result.

the price difference is massive, to give you an example i've just finished ordering the last part of a single loop ekwb cooling for the GPU and it's almost cost $900 in parts. i should have just bought another one for SLi but at least it's going to run chilly and quiet





last edited by trillion at 15:41:56 15/May/17
deadlyf
Posts: 4010
Location: Queensland

Don't bother with an AIO, a good heat-sink/fan is fine because if your Nephew needs you to build this for him then he isn't going to and shouldn't overclock. A Noctua or Bequiet heat-sink will have overclocking headroom anyway. They are quieter as well since it is 1 fan vs 2 for a 240mm AIO and no pump noise.

Also consider getting an i5 7600k or even 7600 non k if it's just for gaming. An i7 is only worth while if he wants to stream to twitch or something. The only difference is that i5's don't have hyper-threading which most games don't take advantage of so the gaming experience is basically the same.

I personally think Corsair make ugly cases but each to their own. Check out Phanteks, NZXT and Fractal Designs cases if you haven't already.

I also think you should get an M.2 SSD, they aren't quieter but they are on board and don't require cable runs. Also recommend stretching for a larger capacity SSD over going for a platter drive as the noise saving is significant. If mass storage is absolutely necessary I would probably just go for external.
trillion
Posts: 4194
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
hmm true, they are kinda loud for what they're doing when they're accessing to peak i/o. I just thought it was because they're as closely connected with the motherboard as they are that the vibration of the i/c that causes it reverberate through everything connected to the main board...



trillion
Posts: 4195
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
it's also probably worth considering why the i5-7600 will be adequate for non-streaming gaming before paying the extra for the i7 k version of a similar clock to the i5

because the video stream encoding you send to twitch or beam.pro or whatever relay host you're using happens in realtime, the i7's HT makes a favourable difference

other than that, the i7 branding has been pretty much been a marketing push used to feature-wall some graphic elements, for example

last edited by trillion at 03:37:55 16/May/17
Khel
Posts: 23782
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

If it needs to run new games at 4k with ultra settings, go for a 1080ti, you're still not gonna be able to do 4k ultra at 50 - 60fps on a normal 1080
demon
Posts: 7748
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thanks muchly for all the fine advice guys!

i've made some adjustments to my build list to change to a samsung m.2 SSD, get a cpu cooler, changing case & psu to silverstone.

i will probably go for the gtx1080ti as well even though it's an expensive card! my nephew has given me a larger budget than what i have currently spec'd though so why not!

still not 100% sure on what monitor to get... i need to go look at some working.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38945
Location: USA

Pro advice up in here, you guys that have kept up with the PC hardware scene continually blow my mind with your knowledge. I am so bad at computars now it is embarrassing.

Any suggestions for laptop video cards? I'm currently comparing two options:

NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 with 4GB GDDR5
vs
NVIDIA Quadro M1200 w/4GB GDDR5

I've checked for benchmarks/specs and I haven't found a direct comparison; I can only find reams of data. I get the feeling Quadro is better in some applications but not by a huge amount.

Thanks for any ideas!@#
trillion
Posts: 4197
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
if your main focus is to play DOTA 2 on the 4k screen then the 1050 is going to have the drivers that make the better use of DirectX than the Quadro

if you're going to be running software like CAD or other pro applications, the Quadro drivers probably have a slight edge in things like exposing extra OpenGL extensions that various software makes use of

there's a good comparison test bench over on g3d of the Quadro P5000 vs GeForce GTX 1080 which explains the various differences between the two
BladeRunner
Posts: 2686
Location: Queensland

Corsair cases are good, the one mentioned was pretty damned nice if you ask me. That being said, shop around and find what you like.

Also you need copious amounts of RGB. Keyboard, mouse, case, heatsink, plasma ram, it all needs RGB. For reasons.
Hogfather
Posts: 16745
Location: Cairns, Queensland

And a clicky clacky keyboard
Raven
Posts: 9427
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 with 4GB GDDR5
vs
NVIDIA Quadro M1200 w/4GB GDDR5


Quadro does multiple clip regions and subpixel precision. If you're not doing things like multiple rendered viewports, you're probably going to lose a lot of the benefit of Quadro.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38950
Location: USA

awesome thanks guys!
demon
Posts: 7749
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Also you need copious amounts of RGB. Keyboard, mouse, case, heatsink, plasma ram, it all needs RGB. For reasons.

I got the RGB angle covered! Logitech G910 Orion Sparc keyboard & Logitech G600MMO mouse... double rainbow maaaan ! :D
Raven
Posts: 9428
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I know things had gone completely stupid when even mouse pads and headphones had RGB lighting. WTF?

RGB on keyboards would be far more useful if there were a standard for programming them. Sadly, everyone has their own implementation - so you have to write everything differently for Razer, Corsair etc. There's no reason it couldn't be a common javascript library :(
Khel
Posts: 23790
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

RGB outside the case is all good and proper, but RGB inside the case is the way of the future! Motherboards with RGB built in, RGB ram, RGB fans, even RGB power supplies are all becoming more and more common.

Also, tempered glass cases. I love the look of some of the tempered glass cases around these days, those Corsair Crystal ones look hot but the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv is probably my favourite case atm based on looks, I would have used one in my new build myself but it doesn't fit an E-ATX motherboard comfortably. Inwin have some sexy looking cases with tempered glass as well, but they're expensive as f***.

Like check this one out, sexy as all hell, only set you back a cool $2,500
trillion
Posts: 4199
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
mmm that really is a PC master race case

im mid build on a gpu water cooling install in a phanteks enthoo evolv case. the thing I've seen since I've had it is the addition of hinges between the aluminium chassis and the tempered glass panel, little things like that make cleaning the dust out every few months easier on the desk

Spook
Posts: 40602
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
any non required lights on a computar are automatic fail.

the new integrated water cooling solutions are pretty handy, my cooler master water cooling cpu solution was pretty easy to setup.
Raven
Posts: 9429
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
"Hm, what can we add to this case to produce more unnecessary heat within an enclosed space where we're trying to expell excess heat...? I know, fancy LED lighting!"
Khel
Posts: 23794
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Honestly though, how much heat do LEDs really give off. If the tiny amount of heat generated by an LED is what tips your PC over the edge, then you had s***ty cooling to begin with.

Non-required lights all depends on your definition of 'required', maybe I require my PC to look like a las vegas drag queen! Admitedly, most of it looks pretty awful when its flashing rainbow colours everywhere. Co-ordinated though and set to specific colours, it can bring together a colour scheme, even if you just have the led's set to white to highlight things can look cool. And theres UV Leds now too which can make for some groovy effects with showing off UV reactive coolant in a water cooling loop or something like that.

Its pure novelty, and pointless if your build isn't really worth showing off in the first place, but for more of a showy piece its fun to play with
fpot
Posts: 25840
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I got some Rick and Morty stickers on my case.
Psycho
Posts: 6261
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I got some Rick and Morty stickers on my case.

Then YOU sir, (belch*burp) rock! Wubba lubba dub dub!!
Raven
Posts: 9431
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I'm waiting for these to become the next generation of case lighting :D
trillion
Posts: 4200
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
for the low K glow Raven?

there are some nice LED panels and tube glow sleeves that may be similar to that Cree kit

http://www.au.aquatuning.com/modding/leds/21444/alphacool-eislicht-led-panel-green
Raven
Posts: 9432
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Glow? That's a CREE LED used in headlights :D
trillion
Posts: 4201
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
wha oh, yeah I didn't really unpack that tech sheet much. At quick scroll it looked like a strip of LED *shrug*
trillion
Posts: 4204
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
if you haven't already bought the intel model...

Asrock X370 Gaming K4 - $199
AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 6-Core Socket AM4 3.6GHz CPU Processor - $345

- will do Quad SLI (4 x 1070/1080 GPU's for the price of a 2x SLI 1080Ti if you can get them cheap)
- better Hz mouse port than the Intel Asrock 1151 in your build spec
- RGB LED on the chipset!
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38959
Location: USA

but AMD :( have they caught back up to Intel now?
Caveboy
Posts: 426
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Slight thread hijack here. However, what is a really good keyboard for typing that doesn't cost $250?
Spook
Posts: 40613
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
any microsoft keyboard that costs $7
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38961
Location: USA

^^ seconded. I have been on the Comfort Curve 2000 series for a few years & really like them. The versions I have have a weird manufacturing bug involving a static charge build up which stops keys working very very rarely (the fix is to literally just whack the keyboard to dissipate the charge!) but aside from that I really like them.
Caveboy
Posts: 427
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My current Microsoft keyboard at work is starting to play up as I have worn a couple of keys out. I figure as writing reports is how I make my living spending a few more $$$ might be worth my while.

last edited by Caveboy at 20:45:40 26/May/17
trillion
Posts: 4206
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
i haven't put one together trog, but that AM3 FX-something i had a year ago with GTX 970 SLI's ran everything really well

i didn't do any streaming though, and overall it did feel slightly slower in overall Windows perf that an i5/i7

for a gaming machine where most of the processing is graphics and done by the GPU anyway, a Ryzen 5 or 7 are interesting
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