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Topic: Nintendo Switch - first look
Hogfather
Posts: 16621
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Picked one up this morning and managed to avoid work for a couple of hours. I'll post up a better review later, but first impressions:

- If feels nice. Solid, weighty but not heavy in the hands. Its a compact unit, screen is Samsung Note-size. I feel like they hit the sweet spot here, not so large to be cumbersome, but bigger and much more rich and vibrant than a DS.
- USB-C charging is very nice, if I'm travelling I can use a USB bank or charge off my phone's charger etc etc.
- Screen is delicious. Touch interface much much much improved over the WiiU tablet. Basically think a modern smart phone, so its great for entering wifi passwords and such.
- The O/S is probably the best out there at the moment for a console. It feels nice to navigate and there are almost no annoying loading screens when you move between sections. Pay attention MS, there is no excuse for those endless spinny wheels. Also modern, clean and uncluttered.
- I miss the touch screen when its docked. Can't have everything!
- Sounds and looks like a console when its docked, good sound through my 5.1, no complaints.
- Feels very nice as a handheld. This one will go into my laptop bag without a doubt so I have a console handy for any time I am stuck waiting for s***.
-Why the f*** is (A) on the right and (B) at the bottom? Is this a DS thing? I'll get over it but its a bit annoying to have to get used to.
- When using the joycon as a controller, the + and - (think select and start I guess) are a bit awkward. Its not the end of the world, but if I end up doing a lot of docked play I will get a dedicated controller. Reports are the controller will also pair with Windows10 as an XInput game controller which is nice.
- Zeldagasm. I don't have words right now. I've only played 30 mins but this looks like the real deal, an OoT successor.
- WiFi performance is weak.
- Needs more games. Picking up 1-2 later today.
- The JoyCons connect to the tablet by sliding into a groove and clicking. Maybe I'm spoiled by Surface devices, but I really expect top-end tech to have magnetic clips these days. Same with the dock, it feels loose rather than that nice sharp and firm magnetic snap.
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Hogfather
Posts: 16622
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Also:

https://i.redd.it/1vcushsnx0jy.png

Yeh.
Hogfather
Posts: 16623
Location: Cairns, Queensland

TIME:


"Exploring its expansive collage of verdant, gelid and sun-scorched zones is akin to tromping onto the set of a painterly Studio Ghibli film. It’s like nothing else Nintendo has made, an experience so simultaneously prodigious and accomplished that it feels like a mind-blowing mic drop to the sort of “open world” games (Grand Theft Auto V, The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim, The Witcher 3) the industry seems bent on proliferating."
Hogfather
Posts: 16624
Location: Cairns, Queensland


http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/critic-reviews

holy s***
Hogfather
Posts: 16625
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Metacritic's current all time list :

http://i.imgur.com/M7MJmyz.png

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN BITCHES
dais
Posts: 12116
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Good to hear. How does Zelda run, is it nice and smooth so far? Any noticeable drops in performance? I would hope not.

-Why the f*** is (A) on the right and (B) at the bottom? Is this a DS thing? I'll get over it but its a bit annoying to have to get used to.


It's been that way with Nintendo consoles since the beginning of time, remember they are Japanese so it's from right to left.
Hogfather
Posts: 16626
Location: Cairns, Queensland

So far its pretty good on Switch. There was apparently a day 1 patch which helped with some of the reported issues.

I'm pretty phobic when it comes to frame rate drops, and I've seen the occassional stutter but nothing that got in the way of my enjoyment of the game so far.

Zapo has played a lot more and might have more insight.
It's been that way with Nintendo consoles since the beginning of time, remember they are Japanese so it's from right to left.

Yeh but up isnt down! Back being on the left hand side (handbrake spot) would be much more normal than back being on the bottom imo.

Just points out how little I played my WiiU I guess :)
Khel
Posts: 23643
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yeah, I've come to not quite trust review scores when it comes to Zelda games though (or first party Nintendo games in general I guess), nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Twilight Princess got that reaction as well and it was well and truly flawed.

This one does look pretty cool though, but its severely lacking in robot dinosaurs
fpot
Posts: 25727
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

GTA IV being so high on that list brings the whole thing into question.
Joaby
Posts: 506
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

It's framey as f*** imo. When you're outside the framerate tanks harder than the 76ers for the last decade.

Also it has unskippable cutscenes and dialogue, both of which are pet peeves of mine. Neither occurs all the time (as in there's dialogue you can skip) but they happen pretty f***ing frequently in the first 2 hours.

It's a gorgeous game though. Massive and open and freeing and it feels great to roam around in, exploring and discovering things as you go.

I don't think my 'bad points' are deal breakers, but I'll tell you what if any other first party game came out this f***ing frame jittery it'd get hung drawn and quartered, not declared the best game of all time.

I also don't think you should buy a Switch for this when you can probably pick it up on the WiiU and get roughly the same experience.
Spook
Posts: 40454
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
but but joaby, THE FRAME RATES!!!!!!
Viper119
Posts: 3215
Location: Other International

Can I play this Zelda on something else at some point? Or do I need to buy a Nintendo console? :|
Hogfather
Posts: 16628
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Do you have a switch or a WiiU Joaby? I get some frame drops but nothing I would call framey as f***.
Can I play this Zelda on something else at some point? Or do I need to buy a Nintendo console? :|

Negative.
Spook
Posts: 40456
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hoping it comes to ps4 so i dont have it COMPLETELY RUINED BY FRAME RATES
Joaby
Posts: 508
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Playing on Switch. And I don't usually notice low frames thanks to years of making do with budget PC, but I'm noticing some heavy drops in areas outdoors.

This isn't a perfect example, but I recorded a video of some pretty bad stuttering.

https://streamable.com/6vxgf

edit ps i see you sassing me Spook but idgaf low framerates can s*** up a game.
Jayman
Posts: 978
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I didn't preorder. I was going to wait for more games and reviews etc. But I am a weak willed individual. Big W, Switch + Zelda pack for $519 on the way home from work.
Hogfather
Posts: 16629
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Weird, aside from watching what appears to be video recorded by a potato, I don't get what the big deal is in your clip.

Does the whole video appearing super stuttery to your eyes, or just a few dropped frames like when you are panning widely across the scene? Cos I see those, but it doesn't make me want to flay kittens.
Joaby
Posts: 509
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

What's actually weird was that I said "I don't think my 'bad points' are deal breakers" and I qualified that the recording wasn't perfect but you're talking down to me like I'm an idiot.
Hogfather
Posts: 16630
Location: Cairns, Queensland

What's actually weird was that I said "I don't think my 'bad points' are deal breakers" and I qualified that the recording wasn't perfect but you're talking down to me like I'm an idiot.

lol ok mate, guess that ends that conversation then.

For the record though, I was trying to be light-hearted and was genuinely interested in your experience. If I really thought you were being an idiot, you'd know, cos I would have called you one.
Joaby
Posts: 510
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Fair enough. Been copping quite a bit of s*** all over for saying Zelda is amazing but could be a lot better technically, it's easy to get defensive all over the shop.
dais
Posts: 12117
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It doesn't look too bad from that video Joaby. It looks like it runs a lot better than Red Dead Redemption did on Xbox 360.
Hogfather
Posts: 16631
Location: Cairns, Queensland

There's no doubt it could be better technically, and they know it (the day-1 patch improved framerates considerably).

A huge open world game like this is very ambitious to pack into what is really a portable console, and it shows. It makes me think that they were building the game for a beefier NX and then walked into the portable limitations.

I think that the consensus has been that the performance issues are minor enough that its not worth shaving more than a few percentage points off given the overrall overwhelmingly positive experience.

For me it was things like this:

I'll tell you what if any other first party game came out this f***ing frame jittery it'd get hung drawn and quartered, not declared the best game of all time.


That made me think you felt like the frame drops significantly affected the experience for you, rather than being (to me) a regrettable but minor issue that I'm willing to forgive. Hung drawn and quartered makes me feel like its a big issue, something worth knocking 20-30% off a review score over.

Anyway all G man I have some more Bokos to beat the s*** out of ;)
Jayman
Posts: 979
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

How good is it playing with a joycon in each hand? So comfy play with your hands at your side!
Khel
Posts: 23644
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I dunno about hung, drawn and quartered, but if someone like Ubisoft or EA or Activision put out a game that frequently drops under 30fps while you're playing, they would (and should) absolutely get chipped for it. I mean s***, they get attacked just for targetting 30fps in the first place. Even The Witcher 3 which was an almost universally loved game took some knocks in reviews for its frame rate hitches on console.

Hell, even the 'outrage' over the DLC season pass for Zelda, and the fact they locked one of the game's difficulty settings behind a paywall, only lasted a few days. Thats the sort of thing that would cause death threats and sink a title from another publisher, but the s*** just doesn't stick to Nintendo. By all accounts its a fantastic game, but it can still be a fantastic game and criticised at the same time, it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
Joaby
Posts: 511
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Yeah a bit of an exaggeration, but it has dropped in critical gameplay moments (usually when fire is propagating) which made aiming complicated, and I feel like that's pretty significant. I wouldn't smash it, I'm not talking docking it multiple points, it's just notable in my opinion.

Also I'm coming off playing Horizon Zero Dawn which is one of the most technically spectacular console games I've ever seen (but also not a launch title so the comparison is a smidge unfair).
dais
Posts: 12118
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Francis and boogie:





These videos are pretty good too:



dais
Posts: 12119
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
In depth review by Gamespot:

trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38787
Location: USA

it is such a weird device. Interesting to hear the feedback.
Raven
Posts: 9388
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I went down ot the local shopping centre last night to tryfind a demo/display console - noone had the switch on display. Wanted to see Zelda before dropping >$500.

I think this time I might end up waiting til Christmas, unless I see something amazingly convincing. But there's a chance. Still undecided.
Eorl
AusGamers Editor
Posts: 14866
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

It doesn't help with Zelda that it was built as a Wii U game first then moved to Switch. There are games being built and shown off for the Switch only and look far better with regards to frame rate.
deadlyf
Posts: 3986
Location: Queensland

I dunno about hung, drawn and quartered, but if someone like Ubisoft or EA or Activision put out a game that frequently drops under 30fps while you're playing, they would (and should) absolutely get chipped for it. I mean s***, they get attacked just for targetting 30fps in the first place. Even The Witcher 3 which was an almost universally loved game took some knocks in reviews for its frame rate hitches on console.

Hell, even the 'outrage' over the DLC season pass for Zelda, and the fact they locked one of the game's difficulty settings behind a paywall, only lasted a few days. Thats the sort of thing that would cause death threats and sink a title from another publisher, but the s*** just doesn't stick to Nintendo. By all accounts its a fantastic game, but it can still be a fantastic game and criticised at the same time, it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
I dunno man, I think people have just got used to eating s***.

EA, Ubi, Blizz/Acti and Bethesda have released some real buggy s*** piles and called them complete games with day 1 dlc and paywalls for years. People definitely lost their s*** when they first did it but they are still doing it in most of their releases and people just accept it now. I remember when one of the Bioware games had day 1 dlc it got killed on metacritic before it was even released but now that is pretty common and it doesn't cause a stir. Don't even get me started on "micro" transactions!

Not to mention that Bethesda haven't released anything past pre-alpha level of buggyness in their entire history.

In fact this is to my knowledge the first time Nintendo have released a game that anyone could really criticize from the point of view of bugs or s***ty pricing schemes.
Tim Tibbetts
Posts: 10
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I have noticed the odd framerate drop here at there. Personally I haven't noticed it too often that it's super frustrating - but perhaps others are more sensitive to it.

So far I've probably played about 6 hours, and I'm really enjoying it. The world is f***ing huge, and there is so much to do. What i do like is that it's about exploration, and reward. Witcher 3 was great, but the sheer around of side quests made it very overwhelming. In Zelda, the reward is treasure, or by exploring and unlocking s*** - it's more subtle than - this guy has a quest, and this guy too, and there's some dialogue about doing this and that. Zelda is, ooh, there's some trees over here, and OK, there's a puzzle thing (I think), cool, I got something

There is more complexity here than the usual Zelda game, and the mechanics are unlocked by you figuring s*** out, rather than via a long winded tutorial system.

It's a fantastic game (so far), and I haven't even hit the first proper dungeon! I can't wait until the s*** gets real.

last edited by Tim Tibbetts at 13:53:31 04/Mar/17
Hogfather
Posts: 16632
Location: Cairns, Queensland

So the kids were giving me the s***s wanting to play my Switch.

Took all their unused Wii and WiiU s*** into EB and pulled $570! Now they have their own :) Dude said they about to sell out..
Hogfather
Posts: 16633
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Oh torgles - here's a reason for you to buy one, it runs on FreeBSD!

http://i.imgur.com/By9ojVt.jpg
Jayman
Posts: 980
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I think we need a new thread for Zelda itself. It's hard to seperate the experience somewhat since that's all most people have.

Zelda:
Zelda so far has been absolutely amazing. And that's from someone who's not a big Zelda fan. I grew up with Sega. I never played Zelda's as a kid. I have all 3 on 3DS. I liked a Link Between Worlds but OOT and Majora's Mask never amazed me. They made me question why people think those games are so good. I never had the nostalgia for it.

But Breath of the Wild is like no other Zelda I've seen or played before. It finally feels like it has modern mechanics, the world is huge, exploration is amazing. I didn't expect this. This game will make people who never liked Zelda like Zelda.

Switch:
I have a 3DS XL. I love it, I play it all the time. It feels a lot more comfortable to me than the Switch. I don't know if that's just because I need to get used to it or what. Time will tell. I know everyone seems to say they want "console quality games on a portable". I'm just not sure if I need that in my life. The style of games on 3DS all seem well suited to it. 2D platformers like Mario, Kirby, DK, SRPG's like Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, turn based RPG's like Bravely Default, Sim stuff like Animal Crossing, Rune Factory and Fantasy Life. When I play a 3DS game I don't think "I wish I could play this on my TV". But after playing Zelda on the TV then playing a while in bed afterwards I DID think, I'd rather be playing it on the TV.

Part of me wishes Nintendo just conformed and put out a console with the same power as PS4, and they can keep they're funky controls to spice it up and keep supporting the 3DS, maybe pump out a New New 3DS later on. The experiences are different. I'm not sure how trying to merge them will go.

The quality of the Switch itself seems very good. 720p seems fine and a well matched compromise. The UI is great though very unlike Nintendo. Very clean and crisp and less kiddie. It's like Nintendo have finally realised their main fanbase has grown up now.

The controllers are ok. The snap on, sudo controller thing is passable but I think I'll grab a pro controller soon. I quite like just spitting them up and holding one in each hand. I don't like the lack of a proper D pad on the left side. Especially since there's a lot of indie support and a lot of indies are 2D style platformers you want to play with a good D pad like Shovel Knight. I'm hoping I can buy a left joy con down the track with a real D pad. I also find the "-" button a pain to hit because the left analog stick is in the way.

I know it needs the charging port on the bottom but I wish it could be charged in portable mode while resting on your chest / table top mode. A 2nd charging port at the top would have been great.


Anyway those are my initial impressions / rambleings, they may change.


-Why the f*** is (A) on the right and (B) at the bottom? Is this a DS thing? I'll get over it but its a bit annoying to have to get used to.


Exact opposite for me. Normally I'm playing PC and when I do use a controller most of the time it's 3DS, I was using the Steam Controller the other day and found it super frustrating having the A/B and X/Y reversed compared to Nintendo.
Khel
Posts: 23646
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Zelda so far has been absolutely amazing. And that's from someone who's not a big Zelda fan. I grew up with Sega. I never played Zelda's as a kid. I have all 3 on 3DS. I liked a Link Between Worlds but OOT and Majora's Mask never amazed me. They made me question why people think those games are so good. I never had the nostalgia for it.


Thats exactly me, never had Nintendo consoles as a kid, always Sega, so the nostalgia holds no power over me. I got OOT on 3ds and found it pretty average and dull and never really ended up playing it much and I really feel like I don't get why those games are so loved cos I'm lacking that nostalgia component.

So I guess if this Zelda appeals to you then I might have to take a shot at it sometime! Think I'll still wait till it comes down a bit in price cos I've been spending too much money lately, but thats the most useful review I've seen of it so far so thanks hehe. Though I think when I get one it'll end up being used almost exclusively as just a console hooked up to the tv, I don't have much use for the portability, I barely use my 3ds as it is.
Hogfather
Posts: 16634
Location: Cairns, Queensland

The style of games on 3DS all seem well suited to it. 2D platformers like Mario, Kirby, DK, SRPG's like Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, turn based RPG's like Bravely Default, Sim stuff like Animal Crossing, Rune Factory and Fantasy Life. When I play a 3DS game I don't think "I wish I could play this on my TV". But after playing Zelda on the TV then playing a while in bed afterwards I DID think, I'd rather be playing it on the TV.

That's funny, because the reasons you describe are why I never bothered to buy a 3DS despite there being lots of room in my life for a portable. I find myself in situations quite a bit where one would be useful ... but I mucked around with the kids' ones and never got the appeal, despite having the disposable and the history of enjoying Ninty games and having bought all their consoles since the SNES.

The Switch though, has earned a space in my laptop bag, and I really enjoy playing Zelda in portable mode.
fpot
Posts: 25731
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

As someone who absolutely obsessed over Witcher 3 (seriously it was weird how much I played and thought about that game) will Zelda scratch my open world itch until CP2077 comes out? I understand they are completely different in setting etc
Hogfather
Posts: 16635
Location: Cairns, Queensland

As someone who absolutely obsessed over Witcher 3 (seriously it was weird how much I played and thought about that game) will Zelda scratch my open world itch until CP2077 comes out? I understand they are completely different in setting etc

Probably. There are a lot of good comparisons between the two, but Zelda is a lot less story driven than the Witcher. Zelda is always the same deal, young elf knight guy reconnects with his missus (Zelda) and fights Ganon. There are no big plot twists although usually the narrative finds a cool mechanic to tie it all together.

As to the open world side, is probably the most open world game out there. Ince you complete the start area you have an incredible variety of options. Of course there is a core quest line but for example you could go direct to challenge Ganon after the starting area. This is a terrile idea btw but will make for some awesome challenge runs later.

Big world, lots to explore, lots of freedom to go and do what you want. Masses of content to find and do. Minor spoiler Spoiler:
You get this kits thing that lets you float around, you cant fly up but you can sort of coast down. This gives you lots of ability to cover the map early as you can climb mountains and jump off them, soaring across wide areas.
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The downside to all this freedom is that its very easy to walk into pretty tough content. On the upside there is lots of freedom to sneak past stuff and use physics mechanics like knogking tough mobs off cliffs etc.
Hogfather
Posts: 16637
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Gameplay Tip (not really spoilery imo, hope the tags cover it properly anyway)

Spoiler:
http://i.imgur.com/ZjE1WCg.png
You can use Stasis like the Witcher 3's witchey sense thing to find objects you can pick up like cooking ingredients etc



Also, it looks like there is a web browser in there. I posted this screeny to facebook to get it off the console, and there is definetly a web browser behind the scenes when I linked to facebook, asked me if I wanted to save password etc and was just showing an embedded page. Hopefully we can an actual browser soon.
Jayman
Posts: 981
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I've died SO MANY TIMES lol. Just exploring, getting into area's out of my depth, picking fights I shouldn't pick. Side note, I just got struck by freaking lightning in a storm and died...
Hogfather
Posts: 16638
Location: Cairns, Queensland

HAhah awks man

BTW I found a way to access the Switch's hidden web browser:

http://i.imgur.com/kFPVzGO.jpg

You can kind of break out, but you can only to twitter or FB. To do so, when you go to link your FB or twiter account, click on the site logos instead :)
Jayman
Posts: 982
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I wish there was another way to get the pics off other than social media. How do other consoles do it? Bluetooth transfer or the like would be great. Or an image sharing site like Imger.
Khel
Posts: 23648
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Other consoles pretty much use social media to do it too, though I think on Xbox you might be able to save them to a OneDrive account
Jayman
Posts: 983
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I took some pics this arvo for size comparisons. Going to put some time in with handheld mode this arvo.

http://imgur.com/a/v15TA
Joaby
Posts: 513
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Definitely enjoying it a bit more today. Experimenting with stuff a bit. Found a way to get money really easy too, which is good because i can now wear armour. So battles aren't 100% one shots against bigger enemies.
Hogfather
Posts: 16640
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Jayman - I normally just post privately to fb then grab the image from there. Its still annoying though, I'm thinking of hacking up an integration to imgur.

Glad to hear you're having more fun Joabs, it really opens up a bit once you get a few hours in. One of the things I noticed is that I've gone from scrabbling for, and churning through, easily-broken weapons to weighing and choosing whether a drop is worth picking up.

Got struck by lightning today! s*** will f*** you up. Make sure you carry around non-metal weapons. If you're in danger of being hit (you should see the effects building) you can swap out, and it will show in you're inventory if an item will attract iightning.

I tried a few things late last night when I found a spot with pretty shoddy frames. Interestingly, while docked, nothing I did seemed to matter - even turning it down to 720p. Meanwhile the same spot was fine when used handheld, wtf. I'm starting to wonder if its a heat issue causing downclocking, the dock wraps it very tightly and it got hot pretty quickly. It connects with a standard USB-C, gonna pick a cable up tomorrow and experiment more.
trillion
Posts: 4163
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
when can we play all this s*** with an emulator
Joaby
Posts: 514
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


CEMU is apparently working on it right now Trillion.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-face-off

Basically the switch from tablet to tv involves a jump of 50+% in resolution but only provides an extra 20% in power, that's why it runs better in tablet mode.


ravn0s
Posts: 19058
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
kind of silly of nintendo to not allow the transferring of save game data.

Jayman
Posts: 984
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

kind of silly of nintendo to not allow the transferring of save game data.



They're so behind in the the cloud syncing game. Let's hope this stuff gets added.

Niece and Nephews were over tonight. Bought Snipperclips. Good fun. I'd like to get 1 2 Switch but damn... $70... for that type of game? Feels like it should be $40 tops.
Hogfather
Posts: 16641
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Accidentally stayed up playing until like 130am last night doing 'one more shrine' etc. Haven't done that in a while! Also:

http://chattypics.com/files/FdGfVQ_uz40zvkqh2.jpg

Without spoiling, I reckon the Zora area completion rewards are going to be tough to beat for the others.

I'd like to get 1 2 Switch but damn... $70... for that type of game? Feels like it should be $40 tops.


Its a great game if you have people, almost like not a video game. It should probably have been bundled but the unit is already exxy and light on launch titles I guess. I'm not devo that I paid 70 but yeh its a bit rich for a situational title that is just a bundle of minigames showing off the controller. That said there are a LOT of mini-games after you unlock the full list.
notgreazy
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Location: Other International


As to the open world side, is probably the most open world game out there. Ince you complete the start area you have an incredible variety of options. Of course there is a core quest line but for example you could go direct to challenge Ganon after the starting area. This is a terrile idea btw but will make for some awesome challenge runs later.

Have you actually tried doing that? Would be really cool if you can actually fight ganon right off the bat
Hogfather
Posts: 16645
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Have you actually tried doing that? Would be really cool if you can actually fight ganon right off the bat

I strayed into the middle area for a looksee. Its brutal, but its apparently possible to get straight to Ganon. You get the kill Ganon quest straight away, so people are no doubt trying it.

I imagine there will be some crazy bastard doing it with a guitar hero controller or Twitch Plays Zelda lsomething sometime soon though.
ravn0s
Posts: 19059
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you can get from the great plateau to the final boss in 12 minutes.

notgreazy
Posts: 640
Location: Other International


I strayed into the middle area for a looksee. Its brutal, but its apparently possible to get straight to Ganon. You get the kill Ganon quest straight away, so people are no doubt trying it.

I imagine there will be some crazy bastard doing it with a guitar hero controller or Twitch Plays Zelda lsomething sometime soon though.

holy s*** that's awesome!
Hogfather
Posts: 16646
Location: Cairns, Queensland

https://i.redd.it/lffm7x2v6vjy.png

lolol

https://i.imgur.com/1aREpEr.jpg
Eorl
AusGamers Editor
Posts: 14867
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I keep telling myself I'm too busy with Horizon that I won't get a Switch and Zelda. But then I want it even more. GOD DAMMIT!
paveway
Posts: 21182
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

i have seen someone in a dark souls FB page mention that this new zelda feels like dark souls a bit, you rest at bonfires, there is parrying, pretty hard, how the bosses are set up
Hogfather
Posts: 16648
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Yeh its really not uncommon to come across regular mobs that can one shot you.

That said you can save pretty much at any time so its not horrifying.

There's .. methods .. to reduce the impact of this sort of thing though. Hard to avoid spoiling ;(
BladeRunner
Posts: 2637
Location: Queensland

It all sounds interesting and I'm here just playing A Clash of Kings mod for MB Warband. I look forward to what the modders will do with the Switch in future and what features Nintendo will add as times goes on. The launch titles seem a bit light, Even for a nintendo console. It's good to see Zelda game trying something different.
ravn0s
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38794
Location: USA

Interesting thread on slashdot about dead pixels. Interesting comment from Australian who claims ACCC should mean if you get a dead pixel on a new Switch you should be able to get it replaced.

ravn0s: wow @ that video. Hard to tell how common those problems are but some are crazy. Those screechy problems & corrupt screens are bizarre.
dais
Posts: 12122
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well s***.

This thing is having heaps of teething problems. It's an awesome concept, but Nintendo should have realised that most people were not going to treat this machine with the care it needs. The dock especially is a serious concern.

Fundamentally new hardware always has these sorts of issues, I remember when the first PlayStation came out and all the problems it had with reading CDs. The Switch is very prone to being damaged with all the ways Nintendo have promised that it can be used. It will be interesting to see how they handle it from here on out.

Their response to the dead pixel issue is monumentally stupid, that will go down in the history books as a big mistake on their part.
Khel
Posts: 23652
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Hardware failures, yeah that'll happen with any new tech, that's the price of being an early adopter. The things that surprised me the most from that video was how easy it was to jam the thing on your controller the wrong way round and get it stuck, and how the dock is hard plastic that can scratch the screen. Those things just seem like flat out design fails.
Hogfather
Posts: 16650
Location: Cairns, Queensland

I did the thing with the joycons. It was terrifying but I got it off. The whole slidey thing there is s***, you have to be careful and even with its done right its actually a bit of a struggle to remove them. The use of the joycons in that mode (motion control) is probably going to be under-utilised anyway. Not defending it but at least its not a problem with a core bit of the tech if you're a normal gamer.

The dock legit isn't amazing. But its just connected to it with a standard USB-C cable so you could bypass the need to actually insert it pretty easily I think and just plug it in to 'dock'. We have screen protectors on ours so I'm not worried about scratches especially.

Can confirm that those hardware issues are defects and the owners should return them, no problems like that on either of my Switches they've never crashed or had application errors and I've kind of flogged mine pretty hard.
Khel
Posts: 23653
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

How much clearance is there inside the dock? Would there be room to like stick some felt to the inside of the dock, or at least, the side with the screen? I think you can even get sticky backed felt, I've had some in the past that I stuck to the bottom of the legs of chairs so they would slide easily and not mark wood floors. Could be a solution in lieu of screen protectors
Hogfather
Posts: 16651
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Yeh there's plenty of slack. someone on reddit posted this which looks pretty f***en nice imo:

https://i.imgur.com/c6K9jq7.jpg
Hogfather
Posts: 16652
Location: Cairns, Queensland

The thing is, see the raised bits? They're at worst on the bezel and obviously designed so that the screen doesn't get the s*** kicked out of it when its inserted into the dock slot.

I kind of wonder how people are managing to f*** their screens up, how badly are they missing the mark? I could see some scratches on the bezel or controllers maybe?
Jayman
Posts: 986
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I saw someone in a video take theirs out of the dock. They grabbed it with one hand, lifted one side first and dragged it forward at the same time. It was infomercial level of stupid.
Hogfather
Posts: 16656
Location: Cairns, Queensland

So I just found out now how to expand inventory.

smh
Jayman
Posts: 987
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Not a Switch exclusive but really looking forward to getting this when it's out.

trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 38796
Location: USA

I saw someone in a video take theirs out of the dock. They grabbed it with one hand, lifted one side first and dragged it forward at the same time. It was infomercial level of stupid.
hmmm. These things will be used, presumably much more than another gaming system, by kids. So it seems reasonable to me that they have spent a lot of effort making sure the docking mechanism is basically idiotproof in terms of its ability to damage the unit.

From the video posted above it seems kinda easy to get small amounts of damage on the screen if you don't put it in 100% perfectly every time; that would drive me bats*** having to do that and I imagine kids would never do it.
Hogfather
Posts: 16657
Location: Cairns, Queensland

hmmm. These things will be used, presumably much more than another gaming system, by kids. So it seems reasonable to me that they have spent a lot of effort making sure the docking mechanism is basically idiotproof in terms of its ability to damage the unit.

From the video posted above it seems kinda easy to get small amounts of damage on the screen if you don't put it in 100% perfectly every time; that would drive me bats*** having to do that and I imagine kids would never do it.

Then buy a $5 screen protector?

Again, I have no idea how people are scratching them. My protectors are both clear and my children are feral little f***ers.
BladeRunner
Posts: 2639
Location: Queensland


Brian is at it again.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/117006-Nintendo-Switch-Zelda-Breath-of-the-Wild-Review


Khel
Posts: 23656
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Personally I've always hated screen protectors, they nearly always look tacky to me and start peeling off or bubbling before long, so I'm all for alternative solutions
Hogfather
Posts: 16660
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Good old free market, if there is a demand then someone will make it.

She's overwhelmed with orders, can expect something similar for like $6 straight out of Hong Kong on ebay in short order.
Spook
Posts: 40468
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
infi was right!
Khel
Posts: 23660
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

"Dock sock" sounds like some kind of dirty porn thing, or is that just me
trillion
Posts: 4164
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
vigi-jacked
Hogfather
Posts: 16662
Location: Cairns, Queensland

WTF lol

https://gfycat.com/BestFrequentHyracotherium
ravn0s
Posts: 19061
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that's from dunkey's video

Jayman
Posts: 988
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

that's from dunkey's video



That video was great. I love this game. It has the best open world. I can spend a couple of hours just roaming around doing weird stuff like that and have a great time.
Eorl
AusGamers Editor
Posts: 14868
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Horizon is great for the Dino killing, almost monster hunter style gameplay but bloody hell that Dunkey video looks superior. That's an open world, in that you literally can do anything.
Spook
Posts: 40472
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
cell shading++
Hogfather
Posts: 16664
Location: Cairns, Queensland

So I apparently am Nintendo's bitch now, and bought some Amiibos.

Picked up Epona today with the OoT Link figure, totally worth it!

http://i.imgur.com/POlfAk3.jpg

Has 4 whips or whatever you call them. The guy at the horsie place freaked out about the legendary Epona.
Jayman
Posts: 989
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

So I apparently am Nintendo's bitch now, and bought some Amiibos.

Picked up Epona today with the OoT Link figure, totally worth it!

http://i.imgur.com/POlfAk3.jpg

Has 4 whips or whatever you call them. The guy at the horsie place freaked out about the legendary Epona.


Where did you scan it? Any area in particular? I have a smash bros series Link Amiibo and scanned it the other day and just got junk? Will try again tonight.
Hogfather
Posts: 16665
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Which Amiibo do you have?

All of the Zelda ones should always give a reward + food, but the normal smash ones just give food. Wonder if the Smash Link one isn't counting as a Zelda Amiibo :(

Anyway I scanned it at the Great Fairy in Akkala.
Jayman
Posts: 990
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Which Amiibo do you have?

All of the Zelda ones should always give a reward + food, but the normal smash ones just give food. Wonder if the Smash Link one isn't counting as a Zelda Amiibo :(

Anyway I scanned it at the Great Fairy in Akkala.


I got it tonight! Seems you don't always get it on your first scan. I also picked up a Pro controller last week for $69 delivered. Buttons seem huge now after getting used to the joycons and the analog sticks seem so tall. Feels great though. I'll probably grab 1 more when Mario Kart is out to be all set for 4 player.
Hogfather
Posts: 16666
Location: Cairns, Queensland

https://i.redd.it/w3xn0x3aq9ly.jpg
Joaby
Posts: 520
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I finished it. Disappointed by the ending. Torn though, because I'm sure if I completed the easter egg hunt to find all the memories I'd have gotten a marginally better ending. On the flipside, I didn't like the voice acting or characters, so A: why would I find more memories which are all cutscenes and B: why would I want a longer ending if I don't like the cutscenes.

All good questions I don't have answers to. Important note - the game ends and takes you to the main menu after the final boss fight. There's no New game + (dunno how that would work) and you can't continue to flit about the game world, so when you decide to end it, just sell all your s*** and buy what you need because you can't take it with you.

Really loved playing about in the world, part of my annoyance at how it ends is a little bit of sorrow at leaving the world. Took the switch with me on flights to the states. It's not ideal - can't plug the thing in to charge it and play with it in Tabletop mode at the same time. On a 13 hour flight that means you're holding it in your hands for a long ass time. Also somehow scratched the screen, despite being very careful not to. Not sure how that happened. The screen must be made out of the same s*** as weapons from Breath of the Wild.

Anyway, if I didn't have Shovel Knight on PC and 3DS already I'd probably pick that up, but I can't bring myself to buy it again just for the new mission. So my Switch is basically done now.
Jayman
Posts: 991
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

That sucks you cant continue after the final boss. But makes me feel better about dragging it out. I could play around in this world for months. That said it would be nice to finish it then 100% it afterwards. This world is just st amazing. I'm getting to explore every inch before finishing. I wonder how the DLC works if you can't continue afterwards?
Viper119
Posts: 3216
Location: Other International

So they've made the most beautiful, lush and awesome Zelda game... that you can't really play on a big screen in high resolution with slick performance?

I mean I'm super keen to play this, but I'm not into handheld gaming, and it seems like buying a Switch to dock to my 55" 1080p TV won't be ideal?
Hogfather
Posts: 16667
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Its not perfect but its still amazing. Its getting 10/10s all over the shop for a reason. Frame drops to me and most players are a mild annoyance, but maybe find a way to play it first?

Not sure what happened to Joaby, I haven't finished the main story (only done one divine, still playing hours daily, just exploring and doing s*** all over still) but on reddit people have mentioned that after defeating Ganon, the overworld then shows a completion map percentage. That is to say that the game continues in a completionist mode. I'll try and get some more information on how this works but my understanding is that the main quest is a portion of the game, and shouldn't necessarily end it.

Like all Zelda games, Ganon remains in the world though so you can continue to muck about with the final encounter. There may be some confusion about what's going on.
Joaby
Posts: 522
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Just beat him again. I still think Lynels are tougher than him. Anyway, beat him, end cutscene, credits, main menu, option to load save game from prior to boss fight. So either my game is broken or people are considering 'loading a save game prior to the final boss fight' to be the game continuing in a completionist setting (which it is not).
BladeRunner
Posts: 2643
Location: Queensland

I'm going to try the emulator and see how it goes. I don't expect to be able to play much of it.

You would think Ganon would try and kidnap some other woman for a change. Maybe it will work out better for him.
Hogfather
Posts: 16668
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Just beat him again. I still think Lynels are tougher than him. Anyway, beat him, end cutscene, credits, main menu, option to load save game from prior to boss fight. So either my game is broken or people are considering 'loading a save game prior to the final boss fight' to be the game continuing in a completionist setting (which it is not).

You get a final 'starred' auto-save before Ganon, which unlocks things like the completion percentage on the world map. There is no post-Ganon world you can cruise.

This is a bit unusual to us, but is apparently very typical for Japanese RPGs (which despite the massive hardon the West has for Zelda, it is).

I'd prefer a post-Ganon world with Zelda as a companion maybe, but it is what it is.
Hogfather
Posts: 16669
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Actually thinking about it, the way that Calamity is woven into the world's theme, and how big the world is, it would be a metric fuvktonne of work to have a pre- and post-Ganon environment.
Joaby
Posts: 525
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

After Twilight Princess I guess I was expecting there to be a continuation or something I guess. TP was the last Zelda I played and I seem to recall some faffing about in the world post boss fight?

It's not really a big thing, the existence of a season pass implied more game to come though, so I figured you'd be able to keep going somehow. I mean I still loved the game, it was just a kick in the crotch because i did that fight on a shoestring. Had a look on my save game and I ended with 15% of the game complete, which is pretty funny. I presume a large chunk of it is the Compendium and Koroks? I don't know exactly how many Koroks I found, but i'd wager it's not even in triple digits.
Khel
Posts: 23673
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Are Koroks the seed things? Theres 900 of them I think, just saw a post this morning about a guy who found them all. I've never had the patience to hunt for s*** like that in a game though, unless its marked on the map, then my OCD desire to clear all the icons on the map kicks in, but if its just a hunt for hidden items I usually can't be bothered
Hogfather
Posts: 16670
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Yeh the season pass content will likely unlock world stuff that you can do at any time.

Depending on how deeply you explored and quested there's probably a lot of content not done. For example

Spoiler:
I found a random cave that had a s***load of treasure in it without being attached to quests etc, and there are several armour sets to complete


There are (from memory) hundreds of Korok seeds and 120 shrines?

Are Koroks the seed things? Theres 900 of them I think, just saw a post this morning about a guy who found them all. I've never had the patience to hunt for s*** like that in a game though, unless its marked on the map, then my OCD desire to clear all the icons on the map kicks in, but if its just a hunt for hidden items I usually can't be bothered


Yeh I'll probably just do as many of those as I can find. If I get all OCD about it I'll probably find a spoiler site and mark the locations on the map to hunt them down (once you complete them they get an icon)

Edit: Piiieeeeee
Joaby
Posts: 526
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

yeah 900 koroks apparently. I'm well up there on the shrines I think, I have a full upgraded stam bar and 20 hearts, so that's around 100 done.
ravn0s
Posts: 19066
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
https://zeldamaps.com/?game=BotW

this s*** puts assassins creed to shame.
Hogfather
Posts: 16672
Location: Cairns, Queensland

wow rav

ok then, 100% it is!
Jayman
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

dais
Posts: 12135
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Great shot from reddit:

https://i.redditmedia.com/qSqc6tevKZT1O_CF6GO1RFYNyePD7h2x6AJF2r0ObSw.jpg?w=1024&s=595eb02f36828d1a422924897f83520c
dais
Posts: 12138
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Gold, again from reddit:

https://i.redd.it/m8cakr5phtny.jpg
Khel
Posts: 23696
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I don't get it
Joaby
Posts: 537
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I think the joke is that they advertised taking the switch to a party and being popular as a result but that has not happened for the person in this picture
Insom
Posts: 4594
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

how anyone with a job other than "game reviewer" has finished this game so far is beyond me

I'm still going around looking at things
Hogfather
Posts: 16693
Location: Cairns, Queensland

how anyone with a job other than "game reviewer" has finished this game so far is beyond me

I'm still going around looking at things

Playing a few hours a day, I'm up to 2 Divine Beasts and about 50 Shrines. Have full Zora, climbing and Sheikah gear, Sheikah at like L3 now which is super awesome with the Master Sword to kill Guardians.

Have spent the last week begging for Blood Moons so I man style Guardians over and over. I may never get over killing them and be stuck in a loop here forever. This is fine.
Hogfather
Posts: 16696
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Hey so where you guys who are playing up to?

I have 115 hours played (wtf)
- 2 Divines
- 50 shrines
- 35 Korok Seeds
- L2-3 Ancient Armour Set
- L1 Zora set
- Climbing Set
- Master Sword
- Ended up buying 7 Amiibos. Including the big one for like 30 bucks. I do feel some shame.
- 1 fallen star
- House
- 7 memories
- 2 Great Fairies, found my 3rd but don't need it yet.

Playing without any spoilers aside from the odd think like knowing that the Master Sword exists.

Have killed lots of Guardians and the odd Hinox. Haven't beaten a Lynel or Ganon yet. Not really chasing objectives just f***ing about a lot.
notgreazy
Posts: 660
Location: Other International

Similar, not sure the number of hours, but something like 100 seeds, 2 divines, getting the sword now atm. How did you get the full zora gear? I have the legs and the shirt, where do you get hoodies from?

Also f***ing Lynel, holy s*** they can see you a mile away and continue to shoot at you non stop for ages.

Also where did you get the climbing set from?

Anyone else disappointed at the "dungeons"? I really love zelda style dungeons. The Divine Beasts don't really count as one.
BladeRunner
Posts: 2656
Location: Queensland

Damn, 115 hours already Hogfather.

http://i.imgur.com/e3WPQ5M.jpg
Joaby
Posts: 539
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

how anyone with a job other than "game reviewer" has finished this game so far is beyond me

I'm still going around looking at things

I didn't even feel like I was really smashing it or being a content locust (that's what they call people who just churn through games quickly). Unlocked all the map, 100ish shrines, did all the bits and bobs, felt like i had a good grasp on the world. I wasn't reviewing it (Steve wanted to review it for AusGamers, probably trying to avoid HZD direct comparisons) so I wasn't in a rush to get through it. Just sorta finished it when I felt it was finished. Did the three labyrinths, probably the best puzzles in the game imo. Even if you can just climb on top of them it's still not that easy.
Hogfather
Posts: 16697
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Also where did you get the climbing set from?

Comes from shrines. Its amazing, especially when you get an extra ring or 2 of stamina.
How did you get the full zora gear? I have the legs and the shirt, where do you get hoodies from?
Spoiler:
Check in the lakes on the plateau above. Let me know if you want a more direct location
Anyone else disappointed at the "dungeons"? I really love zelda style dungeons. The Divine Beasts don't really count as one.

Yeh they don't. I do miss the old style dungeons, but I feel like we gained as much as we lost there on balance.

Ideally though, yeh, longer more traditional dungeons + huge outworld + shrines + all the other s***. And if it can get me a beer that would be sweet too ;)
Hogfather
Posts: 16697
Location: Cairns, Queensland

wtf
Joaby
Posts: 541
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

why do you post wtf sometimes as a follow up post
Hogfather
Posts: 16699
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Sometimes I double post and I cbf logging into the AGN network thing to remove the double, for some reason this site never got the delete functionality.
Jayman
Posts: 994
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I'm about 120 hours in. Wow time flies. I've done all memories / beasts / master sword / killed Gannon. Low 70s for shrines and seeds. I have all the armour sets but 1 (need to finish the rubber set). Ancient armour all 4 stars and some other sets close. Killed quite a few Lynel. Last night was spent just roaming around the snow in the NW area looking for shrines.

I think I've played every day bar one since Iaunch. I can see this taking me 200+ hours but I'm sure at some stage I'm going to want to use a guide to finish stuff off (especially for seeds if I can be bothered). I still have a lot of side quests and shrine quests to do.
Hogfather
Posts: 16701
Location: Cairns, Queensland

New patch just dropped (reddit, reportedly improves frames noticeably, but trouble spots will still have some issues.
notgreazy
Posts: 669
Location: Other International

A few people on the net are saying it's for WiiU as well.

Now I gotta figure out how to get it....
Hogfather
Posts: 16702
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Huh?

Should come down automatically.
notgreazy
Posts: 672
Location: Other International

Huh?

Should come down automatically.

On the Switch you can tell it to check for updates (supposedly). But on the WiiU there isn't that option. When I connected the WIiU to the net, nothing came through. I left it sitting for a bit then came back and it requested an update. I'm more used to xbox360 style updates where they either check on launch or have a menu item for updates.

Anyway, update makes the game run smoother. I've noticed when using Stasis it runs a lot smoother.
Hogfather
Posts: 16703
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Yeh in bad areas like Korok village that were a complete s***show before its still a bit framey but much less worse.

Also yeh stasis and magnetism used to induce frames and its much better now.

Can confirm that there is an update-this-pls on the Switch. Switch OS was also updated recently, unsure what it did. Still no f***ing save to SD Card :|
Hogfather
Posts: 16714
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Its begun:

Zelda: Breath of the Wild speedrunners are taking down the game in less than an hour
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