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Topic: Political Thread 2.5 (Because we really haven't made any pro... Page: < 1 2 3 4 ... 8 9 10 11 >
fpot
Posts: 26075
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

8000 :P
PornoPete
Posts: 2815
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

oh that is cheap ;)
FaceMan
Posts: 12916
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I propose not all be allow to breed, and some be sterilised.

Abortion and Contraception have already done a good job of that
Now we have to import people.

If it wasnt for those ppl that You think shouldnt breed we would need to import even more people. Maybe you like importing people who follow a pedo-friendly - wife beating, homo murdering, honor killing Religion ?

Me, Id rather poor white trash have kids and lots of them.
Because... We were here first.

trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39248
Location: Other International

wow. someone wrote something dumber than nmag's post.
Nmag
Posts: 848
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Encouraging failed communities is to breed is dumb.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7737
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Me, Id rather poor white trash have kids and lots of them.
Because... We were here first.


ermm aren't you forgetting the aboriginal nations that have been here for 40,000 yrs?
FaceMan
Posts: 12917
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
its just as relevant an excuse Slaps.

People complain about Immigration but they dont ever complain about why its needed. We dont make enough people. 100 000 years and we achieved making less people.



Zapo
Posts: 3411
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Isn't it the lazy way to 'grow' the economy? More people = more stuff needed = stronger economy? Although, it no doubt leads to income inequality.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7739
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^ Yep.

The real point is the Government is lazy. They see turning on the immigration tap as an easy fix for the economy.

They just turn on tap and don't plan. Hence, why Sydney and Melbourne are so packed.

Wouldn't it make sense to encourage migrants to go to smaller satellite cities and build those up first?
Vash
Posts: 5563
Location:

Birthrates of Australians are down, that's partly why we need more immigration to maintain & grow the population as well as the economy.
People want to live in cities, and there has been incentives to get more people moving to regional areas, but you can't force them to.
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7740
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Why is endless growth a priority?

Japanese population is in decline but their economy hasn't broken down - so why?
Insom
Posts: 4630
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

^ presumably so there'll be someone to pay for all the old farts' pensions
fpot
Posts: 26076
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Are you Tdog, Nmag?
Vash
Posts: 5564
Location:

Why is endless growth a priority?


That's how you keep Capitalism functioning.

Japanese population is in decline but their economy hasn't broken down - so why?


The effects of an aging population have yet to fully hit them as yet. It will though.
Nmag
Posts: 849
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

More people are great. The more the better eh?

You throw a party in your backyard. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?

You run a nice nightclub in a city. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?

You have a country. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?

You run a company. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?

You have a tent in the woods. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?
Vash
Posts: 5565
Location:

You have a country. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?


The latter is already in effect. Not sure what your point is? We don't have an open border policy
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 7741
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

That's how you keep Capitalism functioning.


So by that logic, India should be an economic utopia
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39249
Location: Other International

Isn't it the lazy way to 'grow' the economy? More people = more stuff needed = stronger economy? Although, it no doubt leads to income inequality.
It is /not/ just about "more people". It is about the /right/ people.

This is the most important thing the "f*** off we're full" dopes are missing (aside from the fact that we live in a staggeringly huge mostly empty country). If we want to develop industries faster, we need to bring in outside expertise. If we want to be competitive on a global scale, we need a way to bring those experts to us. (By the way, something like 70% of immigrants are skilled, with 40% of them being brought over by their company. )

You throw a party in your backyard. Do you let just about anyone in, or do you have some form of preferred criteria?
I'm happy to hear that, because it means (as Vash notes) you should be perfectly content with the current state of affairs
Wouldn't it make sense to encourage migrants to go to smaller satellite cities and build those up first?
They kind of do - there is a regional immigration scheme which takes up about 7% of the total # of immigrants. I imagine it is a very delicate balancing act because smaller cities are more "fragile" and less able to deal with larger influxes. But I agree that spreading them out is a good idea. I actually think regional growth is one of the most important things we can be doing anyway & we should be trying to get actual Australians out there just as urgently.

Anyway. I'm pro strong border controls and immigration controls. But listening to Radio Moscow everywhere trying to make us deathly scared of all immigration all the time as a blanket policy is stupid. We need to bring outside expertise to grow our industries (particularly in high tech & engineering) because growing them ourselves will take too long. Sometimes we'll also need to bring in just regular people because we might open a new mine or something that requires a large number of people that can't be found on short notice. The government isn't just bringing in these people because they're deathly scared we're running out of citizens; they're doing it because they're vital liquidity in the engine that makes our country work. Finding the right balance is tough.
Phooks
Posts: 3253
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

f*** Off We're Full, Unless You're A Billionaire, Or Millionaire, Or A Skilled Worker, Or Contribute To Our Massive International Student, Trade And Tourism Industries, Or Cause Greater Cultural Links With Developing Nations That Will Prove Useful For Growing International Strategic Military And Geopolitical Relations, But Definitely DEFINITELY NOT The Enrichment Of Our Cultural Diversity In General Because That Is Straight-Up Liberal-Arts-f*****y s***, I Mean Did You See Our G20 Cultural Celebrations I Mean Wow We Are Just Exploding With Culture Already.

A.k.a. f*** Those Lazy Foreigners Taking Our Land & Jobs.

A.k.a. I wan't the Australian economy to be competitive, but I don't want to actually compete in it.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2152
Location: Sydney, New South Wales



So by that logic, India should be an economic utopia

Well GDP growth over the past 20 years in india is exponential.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 39253
Location: Other International

India is (IMO) the single most interesting economic market in the world today, not just because of recent growth but because the huge changes the current leadership is going for. Big shift to digital to get away from cash corruption, rebuilding their financial frameworks.. big stuff. A democratic population of a billion people being dragged out of the third world though a stronger (most western style, if you like) commercial framework is going to be a big deal.
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