Hahahaha

I've got a Surface RT and I don't think I've ever docked any app. Swipe from left to switch to last app is my go-to way of multitasking.

I like!

Kind of chuckle-worthy, but I really don't like Microsoft's new tactic of being more interested in trying to say what's wrong with competitors' products than what's good about its own.

I much prefer marketing that just tells me what is great about their own products and lets me make the decision. When businesses do as MS has been doing lately it just gives me the impression that they're not confident about their product's ability to sell on its merits.

Kind of chuckle-worthy, but I really don't like Microsoft's new tactic of being more interested in trying to say what's wrong with competitors' products than what's good about its own.

Hmm, I would normally agree but I didn't get that vibe from the video - I think it is showcasing all the stuff you can do with a Surface that you cannot do with iPad. For people trying to Get s*** Done the Surface offers a lot more and its integration with Windows and the ability to Office it up on the go is going to be a Big Deal for a lot of companies.

I agree it was more subtle in comparison to their other recent marketing, but it still seemed like there was as much or more emphasis on the iPad than the Surface in the ad.

Personally, I was certainly left thinking more about what the iPad can't do than what the Surface can do by the end.

Ive noticed the amount of people in the Apple Church at Chermside has really shrunk a lot. It used to be shoulder to shoulder at times, now its prolly a 3rd full and a lot of that is those 'attendants' that wander around.

I haven't heard one of those Sales Cheers for ages.

I haven't heard one of those Sales Cheers for ages.

I sneakily bought from a sales guy right near the door so I could get the hell out of there before they started clapping like brainless idiots. Was a few metres out the door before they started. Felt like I should have won a gold medal for that!

They make customers waiting for a service/repair wait at their display tables.

So it looks like you are browsing/interested in the products to the people outside.

so the argument is that windows tablet thing can multitask? How long has linux had multitasking? How long has android had multitasking? yeah, gtfo ms

I sneakily bought from a sales guy right near the door so I could get the hell out of there before they started clapping like brainless idiots. Was a few metres out the door before they started. Felt like I should have won a gold medal for that!

They asked me if I wanted a silent exit or to be applauded on the way out. I just said nah I'll leave quietly and no one started clapping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zgu9uo2UpPg

They asked me if I wanted a silent exit or to be applauded on the way out. I just said nah I'll leave quietly and no one started clapping.

Nice, that should be the standard.

They asked me if I wanted a silent exit or to be applauded on the way out. I just said nah I'll leave quietly and no one started clapping.

I don't want to meet the person who asked for applause.....

I expect to be applauded when I do menial things, because I am awesome.

They asked me if I wanted a silent exit or to be applauded on the way out. I just said nah I'll leave quietly and no one started clapping.

I thought all Apple users got the clap?

so the argument is that windows tablet thing can multitask? How long has linux had multitasking? How long has android had multitasking? yeah, gtfo ms

The comparison is between Surface and iPad lol.

imo.
Apple is a device for consumers ... ie. the majority. It's an appliance.
Windows Surface is for tech people ... ie. the minority. It's a cool toy.

If you are developing an app and could only pick a single platform, picking anything other than iOS is suicide.

Ohhh Apple ya burn!

@kos Remember that Apple really started that kind of 'competitor put-down' advertising and have stuck with it to this day. Their Mac vs PC campaign was exactly that, not only did they criticise the PC but they ridiculed the people who used them and their lifestyles. So Microsoft are now, finally, starting to return in kind but are keeping it product focused.

http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/apples-get-mac-complete-campaign-130552

Kind of chuckle-worthy, but I really don't like Microsoft's new tactic of being more interested in trying to say what's wrong with competitors' products than what's good about its own.

It's a not so subtle dig back at Apple for their advertising against 'PC' over the past few years. Except with less 'I'm so cool' and more humour.

Apple died with jobs. They will follow but never lead again. He was a brilliant dick head.

If you are developing an app and could only pick a single platform, picking anything other than iOS is suicide.

Obes is Obes...

Of course I'm aware that MS are not the first, or who "started it", but that doesn't mean I have to like it any better. Don't get me wrong, I hate Apple and their attitude as much as the next guy (probably quite a bit more), and I most definitely realise that Apple was the first to employ this style of marketing (at least in this market that I'm aware of).

To combat Apple's good old Reality Distortion Field re. its superiority I suppose it's necessary to make it clear that their s*** is far from perfect, it just disappoints me when a product is advertised by attempting to point out the flaws of the competition rather than focusing on the merits of the product itself.

Also, doesn't anyone think it's a little weird Microsoft touting that Office is available for Surface and not iPad when it's Microsoft's decision whether to develop a version of Office for iOS or not? Especially with MS calling foul on Google not giving them access to the YouTube API and claiming that Google is attempting to make their own platform more desirable by not providing their services to all platforms? I realise they're not identical situations, but there seems to be some pretty big parallels there to me.

Microsoft will happy sacrifice the Surface if it means Office keeps its monopoly.

Also, doesn't anyone think it's a little weird Microsoft touting that Office is available for Surface and not iPad when it's Microsoft's decision whether to develop a version of Office for iOS or not? Especially with MS calling foul on Google not giving them access to the YouTube API and claiming that Google is attempting to make their own platform more desirable by not providing their services to all platforms? I realise they're not identical situations, but there seems to be some pretty big parallels there to me.

What exactly are the parallels here? You might have a case if MS was actively blocking office interop on iOS I guess?

Meanwhile, you can happily connect to Exchange natively from iOS, and view your office docs on the sky drive app..

Kind of chuckle-worthy, but I really don't like Microsoft's new tactic of being more interested in trying to say what's wrong with competitors' products than what's good about its own.I much prefer marketing that just tells me what is great about their own products and lets me make the decision. When businesses do as MS has been doing lately it just gives me the impression that they're not confident about their product's ability to sell on its merits.

Sounds an awefull lot like the liberal party over the past decade, avoid telling us why you are better just spend your day slaggingoff the other doesnt.

What exactly are the parallels here? You might have a case if MS was actively blocking office interop on iOS I guess?

Meanwhile, you can happily connect to Exchange natively from iOS, and view your office docs on the sky drive app..

The parallels I see are:

Office on iOS:
- No native app, can't get full, optimised experience unless MS makes an official native app
- Possible to access content either through some less than ideal 3rd party apps or the official mobile web interface.

YouTube on Windows Phone:
- No native app, can't get full, optimised experience unless Google makes an official native app
- Possible to access content either through some less than ideal 3rd party apps or the official mobile web interface.

Microsoft then cries foul at Google and on one hand says Google is doing this to make Android more attractive than Windows Phone (and goes and makes their own native app which seriously violates the YouTube terms of service), and on the other hand touts the fact that they haven't made a Powerpoint app for iOS as a reason Windows RT is better than iOS.

I'm not saying Apple or Google are any better, they're all a bunch of hypocritical c***s, but to me Microsoft's hypocrisy really stands out in the same way Apple's arrogance does.

the thing i hate most about apple is the blind followers, that just love apple for apple.

they make me angry to new levels of angry

Office on iOS:
- No native app, can't get full, optimised experience unless MS makes an official native app
- Possible to access content either through some less than ideal 3rd party apps or the official mobile web interface.

YouTube on Windows Phone:
- No native app, can't get full, optimised experience unless Google makes an official native app
- Possible to access content either through some less than ideal 3rd party apps or the official mobile web interface.

Microsoft then cries foul at Google and on one hand says Google is doing this to make Android more attractive than Windows Phone (and goes and makes their own native app which seriously violates the YouTube terms of service), and on the other hand touts the fact that they haven't made a Powerpoint app for iOS as a reason Windows RT is better than iOS.

You're 100% wrong there.

MS doesn't want Google to build anything, just provide equal access to services and APIs - they've already built the feature-rich client. They argue that by denying equal access, Google is using their dominance in online video to prop up the Android OS as a superior platform. Its the sort of complaint people made about MS in the 90s and was the subject of all those anti-trust suits.

Meanwhile, Apple and Google can quite happily build a full-featured Office application for iOS or Android, and a candidate OSS codebase already exists. Google already does this sort of thing because you can upload Office docs into their cloud services. They just haven't bothered to for Android, because they don't see it as something you do on a tablet unless you are using Google Docs. MS is going in a different direction and selling a different type of product to a different audience.

You might have an argument if MS was f***ing with the Office document specs to break s*** like Open Office and Google Docs. But they're not (well, they don't anymore lol). MS shouldn't have to build an Office client for them, and its outright silly to declare that its hypocritical of them not to.

MS doesn't want Google to build anything, just provide equal access to services and APIs - they've already built the feature-rich client. They argue that by denying equal access, Google is using their dominance in online video to prop up the Android OS as a superior platform. Its the sort of complaint people made about MS in the 90s and was the subject of all those anti-trust suits.

Except the difference is that full access for users is already available to YouTube through the web interface, so I'm not sure you can call it abusing their dominance of a service, I certainly don't think you can draw parallels to the s*** MS pulled in the 90s, where it was MS or nothing at all.

Either way, surely Google has a right to control the user experience of its own service as it sees fit (and it has apparently made it clear enough that it retains the sole right to create native YouTube apps for any platform, just like any company should be able to do with any service it provides), and surely Google has the right to do that as and when they see fit instead of spending heaps of man hours making a native client for a platform that until recently had less than a 3% market share, especially when the web interface is available to all. I would say the same thing about Office on iOS, I certainly don't think MS should have to make an Office client if they don't want to.

At the end of the day the ad makes it clear that the iPad "can't do" what is being shown, and because there are most definitely ways to create presentations in iOS (Apple's iWork and the MS Office Web Apps, for example), you have to assume MS is referring to the full native MS Office Powerpoint experience. It therefore seems very hypocritical to me for MS to use lack of native MS Office support for iOS by their own company as a reason to choose Windows RT over iOS while simultaneously complaining that Google is trying to use lack of native YouTube support for Windows Phone as a reason for people to think Android is better than Windows Phone.

thinking of getting one of these - edit: has anyone use one before and are they worth it?

http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/tablet/asus/32gb-transformer-rt-tf600-with-windows-8-rt-sku-355588/

i've had the transformer with android - but its tempting to try the windows version.

Except the difference is that full access for users is already available to YouTube through the web interface, so I'm not sure you can call it abusing their dominance of a service, I certainly don't think you can draw parallels to the s*** MS pulled in the 90s, where it was MS or nothing at all.Either way, surely Google has a right to control the user experience of its own service as it sees fit

Much the way MS should be able to control the user experience on their OS any way they want, right? Oh wait, they have a monopolistic position in a market space and are not permitted to leverage that monopoly to unfairly compete in other spaces.

You can't have it both ways. Its either right or wrong.

I think MS were wrong to abuse their monopoly in the OS space and have been appropriately chastised. Google's 'do no evil' is turning into a pile of s*** and they should also be brought to heel.

Koopz ... are you suggesting windows store is doing a roaring trade ? I think I know 1 person with a windows store account ... maybe

I know literally hundreds with an itunes account.

Koopz ... are you suggesting windows store is doing a roaring trade ? I think I know 1 person with a windows store account ... maybe

you all got that from 'Obes is Obes' huh...?


I wrote a big rant about how iOS hasn't worked @work and why we shouldn't have moved away from our trustworthy Win Mobile / MS CRM combo.. went and watched a tv show with the wife and came back. I deleted the wordies and just agreed with you.. (though I must admit - I still don't know the def of 'Obes is Obes' is. Apparently it pisses you off)


Someone's just going to pipe up and say 'you didn't implement it properly' to which I could only get angry and reply - it didn't need to be fixed.


it's been a very long week... and I don't need another idiotic internet argument right now leading me to detail more than I'm really allowed to about aspects of our network and why I think iOS isn't a great solution.


go buy whatever s*** you think your users need that gets the job done and make the boss happy

iOS is s***.
multicast DNS is worse than s***.


But ... the reason you are crying is because the consumer loves iOS.

But ... the reason you are crying is because the consumer loves iOS.

I don't cry - I have staff to do that for me.


meanwhile: here's a funny for you

A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts: "Excuse me, can you tell me where I am?"

The man below says: "Yes, you're in a hot air balloon, hovering 30 feet above this field."

"You must be in IT", says the balloonist.

"I am" replies the man. "How did you know."

"Well" says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but it's no use to anyone."

The man below says "you must be a manager".

"I am" replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"

"Well", says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you're going, but you expect me to be able to help. You're in the same position you were before we met, but now it's my fault."

have a good weekend man.


get in the car with the family.. go to the surf and have a swim.


we're living the life the rest of the country envies remember?


most of all.. feel okay that I don't appreciate your input. I'm not saying that I know more than you do or that you are no good at your job.


for all I know you prolly are

the thing i hate most about apple is the blind followers, that just love apple for apple.

they make me angry to new levels of angry

But Apple products are far superior in every way.
1) Buy Apple product
2) Charge Apple product (or just plug it in if it has no batteries)
3) Use Apple product

I mean how much more simple can it get? Not to mention how awesomely Apple stuff just works together.

Much the way MS should be able to control the user experience on their OS any way they want, right? Oh wait, they have a monopolistic position in a market space and are not permitted to leverage that monopoly to unfairly compete in other spaces.

No matter how I think about what Google are doing here I just can't see it as the big monopolistic abuse that you seem to be claiming it is. At the end of the day Windows Phone users are able to access YouTube fine through the mobile web interface (and by all reports I've read it works well).

If I were in the same position, where one of my many products was a dominant web based service and a new mobile platform was released, the reaction that makes sense to me - regardless of whether I had a competing platform or not - is to test and ensure compatibility of the new platform with the already established mobile web interface I have for the service, then wait and see if the platform takes off before considering making a native app for it. I would certainly be pissed off if the creator of this new platform then went and made a native app themselves for my service, let alone if they did it without the only source of revenue from the service.

Google's 'do no evil' is turning into a pile of s*** and they should also be brought to heel.

I agree with this statement, just not in the context of this YouTube thing. I think there is no doubt that Google has abused its monopoly in the search space to unfairly promote its own products at the detriment of genuine competitors. Its excuse that Google was one big service and not just a collection of products was total rubbish, and I don't know how anyone was happy with that answer.

But anyway, this is all a tangent to my original point, which was that there seemed to be glaring hypocrisy in Microsoft's complaining about Google's actions and then touting the same actions in this ad.

I mean how much more simple can it get? Not to mention how awesomely Apple stuff just works together.

diaf

But Apple products are far superior in every way.
1) Buy Apple product
2) Charge Apple product (or just plug it in if it has no batteries)
3) Use Apple product

I mean how much more simple can it get? Not to mention how awesomely Apple stuff just works together.

My partner hates her iPhone.

When we first got it, it was a mission to transfer her contacts to from Android to iPhone, it wasn't the Androids problem...
Then transferring music was even harder.
O hi iPhone, want to connect to the home network and access files for viewing and everything? LOLNOPE!

I soon discovered that there were apps that MAY have done all this (different apps).... for a cost.

Lol, never getting an Apple product again, it just doesn't play nice with the other kids.

The best part is, the Android phone 'Just Works'.

f*** itunes

Bought and ipod way back when and itunes f***ed my entire music libary not to mention being a total c*** when it was running.Sold the ipod and swore off apple forever.

thinking of getting one of these - edit: has anyone use one before and are they worth it? http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/tablet/asus/32gb-transformer-rt-tf600-with-windows-8-rt-sku-355588/i've had the transformer with android - but its tempting to try the windows version.

Konstie this transformer has windows 8 RT. It's not a fully functional windows operating system. You can only use apps and have no access to desktop. Can't install programs . Buy a tablet with the full version of windows 8 ftw.


edited to add link to page with tablets with windows from same store
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/tablet/windows/

f*** itunes

User error, iTunes has never failed me yet.

My partner hates her iPhone.

When we first got it, it was a mission to transfer her contacts to from Android to iPhone, it wasn't the Androids problem...

Same goes for me and my android. When I first got an android phone it was an absolute bitch to transfer all my contacts onto it because it just refused to sync with my macbook. I guess there might have been apps to do this but they probably cost a bundle so I just transferred them all manually (no google account at the time).

you have low standards.

I love how Apple haters can't see any other point of view apart from their own. They complain about Apple fanbois being single minded but Apple haters are worse.

I'm neither a fanboi or a hater. I own apple stuff, pc stuff and android stuff. I see the good and bad from all areas and love / hate each product equally for their strengths / flaws.

you think itunes is good?

Actually kos Google apparently "denies" MS access to their full Youtube API i.e. they treat MS differently to other third party developers. The can do this pretty easily since they would know MS' developer key to access the API I'm assuming. So in that sense they are actually abusing their power. I'm pretty sure MS does the same with Office API and a lot of undocumented secret sauce to make it work properly.

This was why MS just go screw you then we'll just hack their API and make their native YouTube app, with the ability to play the vids with no ads and downloadble heh.

It's kind of funny really seeing MS being the "under dog" these days and accusing others of being a bully and monopolist. You are right in saying that they're all hypocrites. It's kind a fun to watch as a tech consumer actually.

How come with itunes I can't plug in my phone which is full of music and sync phone to PC? That is something that annoys the ever living f*** out me.

Opec there's a difference between letting 3rd parties integrate YouTube functionality into their programs/apps and letting a company make the native YouTube app by which the service will be judged and that will probably come with the platform.

As from this article:

Google, for its part, has made it clear that it intended to be the one developing any native YouTube apps for mobile platforms.

Anyway as the article says they've come to an agreement to make the app with Google now, would be fascinating to hear how the agreement was come to.

Konstie this transformer has windows 8 RT. It's not a fully functional windows operating system. You can only use apps and have no access to desktop. Can't install programs . Buy a tablet with the full version of windows 8 ftw.edited to add link to page with tablets with windows from same storehttp://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/tablet/windows/

thanks!!

you think itunes is good?

I think it serves a purpose and it does what I want. Maybe it doesn't do what you want so you use winamp (for example). What Apple haters can't seem to grasp is that just because an apple product doesn't suit them, it doesn't mean it's s***.

Thought it was funny pictures of them side by side in the ad are not to scale to make the vivotab look bigger.

spook, i'm getting used to itunes and don't have any real issues. What don't you like about it and what do you use as an alternative?

itunes is pretty resource intensive for some reason.

My partner bought the iPhone, totally against my advice, and really, really tried to like it so she could stick it to me. However it just kept failing on so many levels, things the stock android phone does without downloading apps.

Face apple people, Android phones are just easier to use and 'just work'. The only exception is if you entire house runs on Apple products alone. Apple is a walled off community that does not play well with others. I guess some people like that.

What don't you like about it and what do you use as an alternative?

I don't like that the video content you "buy" with it has DRM.

I'd happily use iTunes otherwise to buy TV shows. I haven't seen the last two episodes of the last season of True Blood and I'm trying to do without until I can find a legit way of watching them; I'd love to pick them up on iTunes but I refuse to buy DRM'ed media.

I don't like that the video content you "buy" with it has DRM.

DRM means unable to play on non-apple devices?

I can see how that would bug some but yeah not an issue for me (no i don't use iphone, I use windows phone, i just don't watch TV shows).

I successfully ported my GF from her iPhone 4s to Samsung Galaxy S4

All she had to do was:

1) Buy Samsung product
2) Charge Samsung product (or just plug it in if it has no batteries)
3) Use Samsung product


I moved music, contacts, SMS. She has all the apps she had on the iPhone. The one thing she loves above everything else..... no iTunes, she can just drag and drop files onto her phone in Explorer and it just works.

I generally think that Windows Computers are way better than Apple Macs. I mean when you log onto Apple Macs they it takes log forever to load while on Windows it's really fast. Also normally for most people Windows is way easier to use as Window's has been around for ages and many people already got used to it. The Apple Macs are really confusing, they have Safari instead of Internet Explorer or Google Chrome???? And when you're trying to Word or something it's always hard to find... Yeah like Apple Macs are more professional or something and you can get iCloud and iTune but I think Windows is still better. And there's over 90% of Window users and only 7.5% people use Apple. Also Apple is way more expensive for what it gives and since Windows 8 has been made Apple is not really famous...

I generally think that Windows Computers are way better than Apple Macs. I mean when you log onto Apple Macs they it takes log forever to load while on Windows it's really fast. Also normally for most people Windows is way easier to use as Window's has been around for ages and many people already got used to it. The Apple Macs are really confusing, they have Safari instead of Internet Explorer or Google Chrome???? And when you're trying to Word or something it's always hard to find... Yeah like Apple Macs are more professional or something and you can get iCloud and iTune but I think Windows is still better. And there's over 90% of Window users and only 7.5% people use Apple. Also Apple is way more expensive for what it gives and since Windows 8 has been made Apple is not really famous...

Case closed!

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Paragraphs son.

All I see are peoples personal opinions on why windows / apples are better. "windows has been out longer" isn't a reason it's better. Unix has been around a f***load longer than Windows has, does that mean it's better?

Logging into and using my Windows 8 laptop takes just as long if not longer than my macbook, especially when it decides to index the hard drive, defrag it or do "system maintenance" (whatever the f*** it's doing) while I try to play a game. The laptop is literally unusable during it's scheduled maintenance because it thrashes the hard drive so much that it takes about a minute or two just to open an internet browser.

I would seriously love to know what it's doing during that time, there's no messages, nothing. The "system" process is thrashing the f*** out of the hard drive and refusing to stop even when playing a game or using programs. At least windows 7 waited until I wasn't using the PC to do its thing, Windows 8 just f***s me over right in the middle of using it.

Go to reboot? Oh sorry, that's going to take 2 days while I index, catalog, defrag and compress your hard drive. What? You don't want me to? Too bad, I'm windows and I'm going to do it anyway.

Yes, I once had to wait about a day or two for the f***ing thing to reboot.

2007 iPhone
2010 iPad
2013 Surface *facepalm*

So much for innovation....
Marketshare bandwagon more like it.