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Topic: Kitchen Nightmares - Amy's Baking Company
fpot
Posts: 22753
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Reality TV is usually pretty s***ty, but occasionally something glorious happens.



This is narcissistic personality disorder operating at full capacity. I don't think I have ever seen a pair of people who are as conceited as this. Their attitude towards people who complain about obviously substandard food is just amazing. I've met a few people like Amy in my life but haven't seen them in the plain light of day like this video shows.

It would really suck to be the sort of person who is unable to take on criticism, unable to even let someone help them, or guide them to the right path. On the other hand, it might be nice to be trapped inside a body that thinks it is right all the time. I wonder if in her quieter moments if she lays there and realises just how f***ed in the head she is.

Anyway, you really need to watch the video. It's hilarious.

edit: I shamelessly stole this from somethingawful. I am not sure if you need an account, but you should check out the link to the thread because it has heaps of extra detail that I quite frankly can't be f***ed typing out Spoiler:
Amy was in prison
system
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ctd
Posts: 10374
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It was big on reddit for a few days. Couple of the staff did an AMA.

People be crazy enough to not know they are crazy and go on a tv show.
Whoop
Posts: 21882
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

this has been all over imgur for a while, I tried to watch a video when it came up and it was just too painful to watch. How does anyone like this stay in business?
fpot
Posts: 22761
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Word around the campfire is that it might be a money laundering operation. But why would you invite cameras and a world famous chef inside if that was the case? I'd want to keep things as low-key as possible. I reckon it is a bona fide case of proper delusion. She thought that Ramsey was going to come and and tell all the haters how good everything was.
WetWired
Posts: 6178
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Could be both, he's running it as a money laundering charade while telling her she's an awesome cook and doing a great job, she is an attention whore who soaks it up and believes every word. Making any criticism hard to take.
mental
Posts: 3943
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If he is money laundering she probably doesn't/didn't know and he just bent to her will with Ramsay coming. It's okay they stand in Gods light.
Rdizz
Posts: 2425
Location: Germany
That was pure gold. Best thing posted on qgl in a while.

She reminds me of my sister when she was younger.
SheerObesity
Posts: 233
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I always thought the whole show was staged.
fpot
Posts: 22763
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Well it quite obviously isn't so add that to the long list of things you are wrong about.
DeadlyDav0
Posts: 3729
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Remember when chub (IIRC) didnt realise that operation repo was fake.
Viper119
Posts: 2023
Location: UK

This has been all over the news as they had a social media meltdown after the episode, abusing people on their FB feed.

http://mashable.com/2013/05/14/restaurants-epic-facebook-meltdown/
one point twenty one
Posts: 3
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

This being in the news recently has got the wife and I hooked on Kitchen Nightmares. Lots of deluded people around. The "Michelin star rated chef says our food is bad, what the hell does he know?" quotes are hilarious.
fpot
Posts: 22767
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

It was one of those times where I want to crawl into the TV screen and shout at the people within to wake up to themselves. They had a world famous 3-star chef willing to lend his expertise and fame to help them make money, and they just completely refused it. If they were simply incompetent I might feel a teensy bit bad about their impending ruination, but they were a couple of malignant c***s so I hope they get everything coming to them.
one point twenty one
Posts: 4
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

A handy site to refer to after watching episodes: kitchennightmares.bangpipe.com
crazymorton
Posts: 4153
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Remember when chub (IIRC) didnt realise that operation repo was fake


WHAT!!!!
carson
Posts: 1919
Location: Gippsland, Victoria

I just watched that ep. Never having watched anything Gordon Ramsy before, but jesus christ. I felt so bad for the girls working there. Getting shafted so hard about tips, then being treated like crap. I really hope they ended up somewhere better. Those two owners are completely crazy.
Rdizz
Posts: 2426
Location: Germany
I just watched that ep. Never having watched anything Gordon Ramsy before


Dude watch more of him, hes just great.
SheerObesity
Posts: 234
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Well it quite obviously isn't so add that to the long list of things you are wrong about.


Calm down. I was just making the comment that i always believed it was scripted but this particular story came up.
TDog
Posts: 73
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

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Dazhel
Posts: 6032
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Haha, Ramsay's had some pretty stupid people and stubbornly arrogant restaurateurs on Kitchen Nightmares before. These guys seem to be that brilliant blend of arrogant and stupid that makes for great expose TV though.
mental
Posts: 3944
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
There are even two versions of Ramsay ti choose from (Uk and Usa) or both.
carson
Posts: 1920
Location: Gippsland, Victoria

Dude watch more of him, hes just great.

Yeah, think I might download some more of this show. All I knew of him before was how he below up at people in the kitchen, but he seriously seems like a really decent and honest person.
mental
Posts: 3945
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'd go Uk version first in that case.
fpot
Posts: 22768
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

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Tiny
Posts: 3377
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

How the f*** does Gordon Ramsay find the time to do all this TV work. I am truly amazed at how many different shows he pumps out every year.
Drummo
Posts: 189
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I just watched that ep. Never having watched anything Gordon Ramsy before, but jesus christ. I felt so bad for the girls working there. Getting shafted so hard about tips, then being treated like crap. I really hope they ended up somewhere better. Those two owners are completely crazy.


Same boat, I have never had any exposure to Gordon Ramsey or any of his media.

If this show is HALF this entertaining on average then I can understand why so many people enjoy this show.

Holeeeeee sheet!
Mantorok
Posts: 6871
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

infi
Posts: 19965
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

the chick with the square glasses in the last season was a full blown narcissist too.
Dodgymon
Posts: 2351
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The whole ep all I could think of what this.

http://www.blogcdn.com/jobs.aol.com/articles/media/2013/05/amyamyedited.jpg

http://mimg.ugo.com/201006/48023/cuts/leela-2_288x384.jpg
natslovR
Posts: 8203
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I've never watched Ramsey before but based on this thread grabbed the ep and enjoyed it

You could tell that the timeline wasn't as-described in the episode, and that some of the 'first night' customers before Ramsey's visit were customers that understood the history of the venue, but it was still an enjoyable show.

Based on this one being singled out I wouldn't watch any more of his shows but if the word was that they were all this interesting I might watch the rest of this season
groganus
Posts: 2557
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Love Ramsay, been watching his s*** for years. Stopped watching last season cause I felt like i'd seen it all.. This has spiked my interest.

Still watching Hells Kitchen, but only to watch him get cranky and kick bins.
greazy
Posts: 5856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Haha, I didnt know soup of the day means a new soup every day. There can't be THAT many soups though. There can't be that many fish then either.
Reverend Evil™
Posts: 21380
Location: Wynnum, Queensland

Word around the campfire is that it might be a money laundering operation

Why would they want themselves on TV if it's a dodgy place? lol
Viper119
Posts: 2027
Location: UK

Hahahaha, man I only just started watching the episode. The overlay with that waitress Katy telling it how it is at the beginning, is hilarious!
Superform
Posts: 7737
Location: Netherlands
tbo this is my fav show in the history of television.. big call but this is his one series where he ignites the passion in business owners (sometimes) but he is so passionate about helping and inspiring others...

11.59pm at night after a full day cleaning someone elses kitchen and going through service and he still stays up all night thinking about how he can help a business.. and in almost every case he does it..

the common thread is when the owners don't want to be saved the business cant be saved..

but his passion is contagious and think of it every day in my own business..

viva la ramsey
CHUB
Posts: 8807
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Remember when chub (IIRC) didnt realise that operation repo was fake.
:(

It took me a solid year before I realized all those storage shed/auction hunting/pawn shows are set ups too.
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 13747
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

some of the 'first night' customers before Ramsey's visit were customers that understood the history of the venue


From what I gathered the entire town knows about the place. People probably go there to experience just how s*** it is. I know I would.
Reverend Evil™
Posts: 21382
Location: Wynnum, Queensland

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Taipan
Posts: 4184
Location: USA

For the first time ever I actually felt bad for Gordon, how he didn't completely lose his mind during this episode is staggering. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd say he is a better man than me but he handled them pretty well given his usually firey nature.

What really pissed me off is the way those f***ing a******s treated their employees. I can't stand bosses that stand all over employees and speak to them like they are trash it's one thing guaranteed to get a pretty nasty response from me. If you are a business leader then you SHOULD set the example you wish your employees to follow if you fail to do so then you only have yourself to blame. On top of that if you are an abusive c*** to your employees then you can't complain when you catch some s*** back from them, you opened the door you set the s*** example so enjoy reaping what you have sown. This particular instance though got under my skin just a little more because they were youngsters getting screwed over, the whole withholding tips thing is f***ing horrendous when those staff wouldn't even get paid min wage and the tips would usually be pooled to bring them up to min wage.

But hey all business owners are good decent people that treat employees and customers fairly ... right?
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 37021
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The social media meltdown that followed this was hilarious. I can't bring myself to watch the video as I assume it would just enrage me at the state of humanity, but just seeing those guys implode on the Facebooks was good comedy value.
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 13748
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
To the contrary Trog, the episode shows humanity is just find as everyone in the restaurant (even the staff) is appalled by the behavior of the owners.

How they could possibly stay in legit business I do not know.
groganus
Posts: 2558
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Having worked in a family restaurant my parents owned in West End for a stint, I've seen first hand how f***ing insane chefs can be. The older guys can be reasonable, but the young ones generally have an extremely inflated ego and a massive chip on there shoulder.

Wait staff can be dodgy as f*** as well, the industry is littered with bitter f***tards and people new to the restaurant business can get screwed over or worse yet turn into bitter f***tards themselves.


Watching Kitchen Nightmares reminds me of how f***ed in the head chefs can be and it always brings smile to my face when Gordon spells it out to them in there own language on what a bunch of dicks they are.

This ep was a new level though, You had someone that was delusional that was being shielded by a husband.

What surprised me was that normally Gordon after trying everything else will start tugging the money strings, reminded them that there business is going to s***, they are losing money and that egos need to be put to the side for a minute to try something else on the sheer basis that what is currently happening isn't working.

But this time it wasn't even mentioned, which leads me to believe that money wasn't such a big deal and the producers probably set this up for the entertaining watch with no real intentions to actually turn things around.

Not that I care, Shows like this are for entertainment, not a life lesson.
thermite
Posts: 11237
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahaaha that was great, and the somethingawful thread was a good read afterwards too

http://i.imgur.com/4NCFIR6.gif

MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW
greazy
Posts: 5857
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

For the first time ever I actually felt bad for Gordon, how he didn't completely lose his mind during this episode is staggering. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd say he is a better man than me but he handled them pretty well given his usually firey nature. What really pissed me off is the way those f***ing a******s treated their employees. I can't stand bosses that stand all over employees and speak to them like they are trash it's one thing guaranteed to get a pretty nasty response from me. If you are a business leader then you SHOULD set the example you wish your employees to follow if you fail to do so then you only have yourself to blame. On top of that if you are an abusive c*** to your employees then you can't complain when you catch some s*** back from them, you opened the door you set the s*** example so enjoy reaping what you have sown. This particular instance though got under my skin just a little more because they were youngsters getting screwed over, the whole withholding tips thing is f***ing horrendous when those staff wouldn't even get paid min wage and the tips would usually be pooled to bring them up to min wage.But hey all business owners are good decent people that treat employees and customers fairly ... right?
Nah the staff were getting paid well above minimum wage.
Dazhel
Posts: 6033
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

It's no wonder they were going through a mind boggling number of ex-staff members.
What incentive is there to stick around and provide good service to customers if the deluded & abusive owners are just going to pocket the tips (good or bad) on the sly. Doesn't make sense, even if they were paid an hourly rate above min wage.
fpot
Posts: 22770
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The minimum wage in Arizona is $7.80/hour so for all we know they were only getting $9/hour anyway.
eski
Posts: 1586
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Video taken down - here's a fresh one



Great publicity for the show.
Taipan
Posts: 4185
Location: USA

Here is a little tip about min wage in the US, you cant live on it and anyone who tells you otherwise is full of s***.
thermite
Posts: 11238
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

From their FB
In fact, wait staff is paid $8-$14 per hour, two and half to nearly five times the standard hourly wage for servers.


So if minimum wage is $7.80 then there is some delusion here.

Fact is I don't think the owners really give a s*** about being successful in terms on business, they don't care about the money - the husband appears to be a millionaire and the business just serves as a good ego stroking for the wife. Or at least it's meant to... they are addicted to Yelp and it isn't giving them the satisfaction they desire. They don't want to be a good business, they just want people to have glowing opinions of them.
fpot
Posts: 22771
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I'd be willing to speculate that the guy is in a massive amount of debt, hence the stealing of tips.
Zak
Posts: 2982
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Thermite - from a thread I read on Reddit, if wait staff are keeping their own tips, minimum wage in Arizona is under $3. ABC are using the non tips system, so they pay a larger, flat hourly rate instead.

I think this was the AMA thread with one of the waitresses from memory.
Taipan
Posts: 4186
Location: USA

There is a tipped minimum wage and an actually minimum wage btw. For example here in this state the min wage is $7.25 per hour, while I don't know anyone on it I do know a number of people on $8.00 per hour and that extra 75 cents is just a token amount so the boss can tell you how good he treats you.

The tipped minimum wage here in this state is $2.63 per hour, that's right 2 f***ing dollars 68 cents. The rest of your wage is made up in tips and as much places I know of here they are pooled and then dished out to the employees that worked that shift at a later point. It's a completely s*** system and is and as I have heard often leads to c*** bosses doing s*** things. The usual response from a boss though is something to the effect that they (the employees) should feel lucky he provides them with a job.

I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of this situation but I do know that some staff working in upper crust places can earn a good buck but they are in the minority. But anyway just check out the tipped min wage stuff and that will likely give you a little insight into how waiters ect get their money here.

As for the clown in this video I'll assume he keeps the tips in order to cover the cost of all the food that gets tossed out.
thermite
Posts: 11239
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

holy s***, $2.63, no one wonder tipping is such a big deal over there

I don't know how to deal with that. As a customer I assume you don't get to pay 1/8th the price even if the staff only get 1/8th of a wage. Yet you are expected to make up the staff's shortfall with your own contribution? I kinda don't think I would. You wouldn't really be doing them a favour by keeping that job viable for them.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zAePLCCYqCg/TCRe9wKgTLI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/vaUfN-jTtpg/s1600/mr pink.jpg

Trivia: When the boss man in Reservoir Dogs asks who didn't chip in for the tip Mr Orange immediately dobs Mr Pink in. This is one of several clues we have early in the movie that Mr Orange is a police officer.
TDog
Posts: 77
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Having worked in hospitality for years, it is not uncommon for staff to have to put tips in a central collection and this is often used to pay for a staff party at the end of the year.

In the U.S however, I think tips are an integral part of the employment system, especially in hospitality.

The customers are tipping the girls because they gave good service and frankly the explanation the owner gave as to why he is keeping the tips doesn't cut it.

If the explanation was, 'the customers are tipping the whole restaurant, the chefs and all employees for the overall good experience so we divide the tips among everyone and have a party or something,' I'd be more inclined to accept the reasoning.

But all this really is is pure greed.
ravn0s
Posts: 17005
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i followed the reddit threads about this a week ago. god it was hilarious especially their facebook meltdown.

i couldn't stop laughing when amy fired the waitress and then as the waitress went to leave amy told the waitress not to walk away while she was talking to her.
Mantorok
Posts: 6873
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Trivia: When the boss man in Reservoir Dogs asks who didn't chip in for the tip Mr Orange immediately dobs Mr Pink in. This is one of several clues we have early in the movie that Mr Orange is a police officer.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20455_5-brilliant-clues-hidden-in-background-movies.html
DeadlyDav0
Posts: 3734
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Watched the ep. Entertaining. The meow thing was great.
infi
Posts: 19969
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The tipped minimum wage here in this state is $2.63 per hour, that's right 2 f***ing dollars 68 cents. The rest of your wage is made up in tips and as much places I know of here they are pooled and then dished out to the employees that worked that shift at a later point. It's a completely s*** system and is and as I have heard often leads to c*** bosses doing s*** things.


better than the system here where useless employees get paid top dollar and you cant sack them
fpot
Posts: 22774
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

better than the system here where useless employees get paid top dollar and you cant sack them
It's the government's fault I am s*** at selecting and interviewing potential staff members! :(
infi
Posts: 19970
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

It's the government's fault I am s*** at selecting and interviewing potential staff members! :(


yeah every employee tells you the full truth about their work history, aptitude and ability, they never become complacent and slack, and always work for life with their bosses. CHHURRRRR
eski
Posts: 1588
Location: Perth, Western Australia

better than the system here where useless employees get paid top dollar and you cant sack them



I know, right, I was much more comfortable when the government would stay the f*** out and we could enjoy slavery like nature intended.
infi
Posts: 19971
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


I know, right, I was much more comfortable when the government would stay the f*** out and we could enjoy slavery like nature intended


what in the actual f***?
DeadlyDav0
Posts: 3735
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Lets now all watch the derail....
fpot
Posts: 22776
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

yeah every employee tells you the full truth about their work history, aptitude and ability, they never become complacent and slack, and always work for life with their bosses. CHHURRRRR
They don't but it's up to you to decide whether they're a good employee or not during their interview. I've seen you complain about it plenty of times so you're obviously really s*** at it. Funny how infi the champion of self-responsibility is quick to blame the government when it means making up for his own shortcomings. You did the same thing with those bad property investments you made.
TDog
Posts: 80
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Stop it with the word salad, fpot. You should try and be nice to others who are just having a civilised discussion about the employer/employee relationship.
infi
Posts: 19972
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

They don't but it's up to you to decide whether they're a good employee or not during their interview. I've seen you complain about it plenty of times so you're obviously really s*** at it. Funny how infi the champion of self-responsibility is quick to blame the government when it means making up for his own shortcomings. You did the same thing with those bad property investments you made.
Both examples you cite relate to government intervention and regulation. i am not going to patronise you with a history lesson (or waste my breath). Suffice to say that if think it's ok for a govt to force you to employ someone you don't want to employ then I guess you are OK with that same government forcing you to stay married to someone you don't want to be married to, and also the government to force you to shop at the same butcher whose meat has turned to s*** even if you don't want to buy there anymore.

Your naivete and idealism are cute. I am guessing right now (this is just a wild guess mind you) you wouldn't be too keen on being forced to stay married to someone you don't love, or to buy meat from a crap butcher.

personal responsibility means that when you don't fulfill your end of a bargain you end up liable for consequences...
eski
Posts: 1590
Location: Perth, Western Australia

what in the actual f***?


It's called hyperbole, I think you might be familiar with it?

You appear to embrace the idea that any government intervention in the labour market is destructive to the economy, at least that's how you come across in the simplistic terms that we use when cracking wise on a gaming forum. You seem to think that making things harder for the individual has some kind of benefit to society as a whole.

From my perspective you're promoting a system that makes it harder for people to get paid a fair wage and has a detrimental effect on standards of living. Hence, I make a crack about some of the government reforms that have been made to the labour market (ie the prohibition of slavery) that have obviously made life better for everyone, because if we left it to the marketplace, we would clearly still have slavery and children working for SFA. The free market is terrible at improving the general standard of living for humans, and I find your suggestions otherwise to be quite a disturbing attitude for an employer and aspiring entrepeneur to hold.

If you think I've misrepresented you, maybe don't be so flippant next time.
fpot
Posts: 22777
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You don't know what word salad means, do you Taylor? Name changes, sending me PMs... it's not long now is it?

I'm confused. You acquired a few properties and they are now empty. You acquired those properties voluntarily didn't you? How is it the government's fault that you acquired the wrong properties and they are now empty?

And as for the staff. You interviewed and hired them voluntarily as well right? Or were you forced to hire them for some reason? I know that occasionally happens, and if it did in this case, fair enough. If not and they were voluntarily hired by you, how is it the government's fault that your screening process is bad and you hired someone who is useless?
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 13750
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Bravo Eski.
typo
Posts: 6538
Location: Other International
infi employed by his Dad, hates his workers, feels hard done by. Business as usual.
infi
Posts: 19973
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Are the employees allowed to ever resign employment in your fractured world fpot, or is it only the employer who is trapped with s*** staff?

Slavery is the ultimate infringement of freedom,eski. It was actually US govt law at the time that legalized it. The slave has not volunteered the arrangement and is not free to leave it, a court would enforce that. It is a completely irrelevant analogy.

I am not hard done by, typo, I know the rules and fire employees regularly and by the book, but feel sorry for those small businesses who are not confident enough and intimidated by all the red tape involved.
fpot
Posts: 22779
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The world I am describing is the one we currently live in, where employers are responsible for the hiring of the staff and at fault if they screw it up and hire s*** ones, and where people are responsible for the properties they invest in and are at fault if they're bad at it and the properties end up vacant. There is no hypothetical talk going on here. So yes, the employees are free to leave employment at any time. Not sure what point you were trying to make there to be honest.

I just find it kind of funny how you'll sort of alter your definition of personal responsibility to suit yourself if the situation requires it, that's all.
thermite
Posts: 11241
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hands up if you know word salad from Boston Legal?

Alan Shore: [Alan addressing the jury on about water pollution] ... What is our biggest fear? The dirty bomb. Not the dirty water!
Attorney Eric Yavitch: [stands to object] Objection! Your honor, Mr.Shore is introducing evidence in his closing that was never presented at trial.
Alan Shore: [turning to the attorney] Nonsense, your honor, I refer you to plaintiff's exhibit number apple.
Attorney Eric Yavitch: [confused look at alan] I beg your pardon?
Alan Shore: [addressing attorney ] Apple trash can is picked from God.
Attorney Eric Yavitch: Huh?
Hon. Stephen Bickle: Mr. Shore...
Alan Shore: [to judge] Not the years sixty when classic electrons are free.
Attorney Eric Yavitch: Objection!
[confused]
Attorney Eric Yavitch: Uh, I think.
Hon. Stephen Bickle: Mr. Shore! You have a notorious history of court room theatrics. If your aim is to force a mistrial, you will be disappointed.
Alan Shore: [Under his breath] Pillow pants join forces over embargo pylons.
[Turns to jury]
Alan Shore: You aren't sailing past honor for the liking of a room. These questions are birthday basements. To end the blue radish is the upside of luxury and sparking a good lizard can only make tears fall in hindsight. Puddles do not ask for why not? It is cheese! Breath and wind. It is cheese.
[Walk to seat, sits down, and looks around in bewilderment]
Alan Shore: What?


infi
Posts: 19974
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Before 1994 there was no unfair dismissal. It was dreamed up by Paul Keating and the ACTU. You did not answer my question about why govt cannot enforce marriages to continue etc but protect employment? Why are employees allowed to terminate but not employers... Why should all of this apply in such a biased manner, how does that grow flexibility and choice?
thermite
Posts: 11242
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
sif employers can't terminate, the ones that get sued were just tards
Mantorok
Posts: 6874
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

sif employers can't terminate
Only employers who are good at their job can terminate employees.
fpot
Posts: 22780
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You did not answer my question about why govt cannot enforce marriages to continue etc but protect employment?
Because marriage is a situation where both parties have equal power. Even if one of the people in a marriage is the sole breadwinner then in the event of a divorce the other person is entitled to a large part of what they own.

In an employer/employee relationship it is the employer who holds all the power. The employee is completely reliant on their job to earn money so they can afford housing, food and other things. Just look at the example of the power Amy held over her employees in that Hell's Kitchen Nightmares episode. If they didn't like it, why didn't they just quit and find another job? Because sometimes that isn't possible due to the downtime between employment, which can go on for an undetermined amount of time. Government regulation seeks to restore a bit of balance in this relationship, so that employees aren't just expendable pawns that can be exploited for a while, dumped and then replaced by someone else.

The reason I didn't answer the question initially is that I thought the answer was blindingly obvious, but here we are.
Taipan
Posts: 4187
Location: USA

Economic slavery is where infi is really at. He'd like to pay people just enough that they stand to lose something if he stood over them threating them with their job but not enough that they could easily back themselves up while looking for another job. This is something the free scumbag employers of the US like to do.

I was working for a boat builder here that was paying me $15 an hour to do a job i had zero experience doing which was actuallypretty decent cash given my lack of experience. He told me to keep it to myself though, hmmm ok what ever you say. I found out within a week or so that this guy was paying the mexicans that had worked for him for more than a year and were teaching me the job $10 per hour. I was like wtf kind of a****** is this guy to exploit these guys like this and for no other reason than they were mexicans.

This is complete bulls*** and something an employer should never be able to get away with. I knew the boss had to be some kind of massive a****** so i sat quiet for a couple of weeks to get a few bucks together and left and while on my way out the door i informed the mexicans what that prick had been upto. Now i would have hoped those guys would of downed tools and walked but their pay rate ment they were living week to week up to their ears in normal day to day living expenses. So they had no choice but to sit their and take it.

Thats where guys like infi like to have their employees, chained to the wheel.
Hogfather
Posts: 13948
Location: Cairns, Queensland

lol infi you are surely a masochist
Monkeez
Posts: 242
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
I liked the thread better when we were all laughing at Amy's Baking Company.
Viper119
Posts: 2030
Location: UK

Trog you gotta watch the episode, it's hi-larious.
trillion
Posts: 2891
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Ramsay should have asked for one of those cakes to go on his way out.
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