Looks like some dude has come up with a new universe model that explains a lot more things, and the maths makes more sense. It doesn't involve a big bang.

Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe
A new cosmology successfully explains the accelerating expansion of the universe without dark energy; but only if the universe has no beginning and no end.

A bunch of random links, because I couldn't find anything on wikipedia:

http://byrev.org/tech/wun-yi-shu-universe/
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25492/
http://byrev.org/tech/wun-yi-shu-universe/
http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.1750

The theory is still a work in progress, I guess.

What will happen to The Big Bang Theory now?

I heard something about god was no beginning no end, woooooo interesting ,lol

No big bang?

That's not what your mum told me this morning.

sounds interesting but from what i can gather apparently it hasn't really been subjected to any kind of scientific peer review process so it probably isn't very credible at the moment.

if it passes a rigorous peer review then we might have something.

My first thought was, "what about the background microwave radiation", which (IIRC) is one of the key indicators behind the Big Bang theory; one of the links says:

That's not to say Shu's theory is perfect. Far from it. One of the biggest problems he faces is explaining the existence and structure of the cosmic microwave background, something that many astrophysicists believe to be the the strongest evidence that the Big Bang really did happen. The CMB, they say, is the echo of the Big bang.

How it might arise in Shu's cosmology isn't yet clear but I imagine he's working on it.

I sure hope he's working on it!

Hi Thermite can I see your math sums? Thanks

+ your mum - her clothes / her legs

sounds a bit fanciful to me but i don't have an advanced degree in hyperbolic topology.

interesting as something to discuss when practical issues seem too difficult ;D

http://byrev.org/images/2010/07/hypersphere4.jpg
^^this makes it all clear now.

It looks like the dude from www.timecube.com has discovered 3DS Max.

It looks like the dude from www.timecube.com has discovered 3DS Max.

Hahaha.

They discussed this in this The Skeptics Guide to the Universe if anyone is interested.

ok, so what i gather from the article is "as the universe expands, it turns mass into length (which is the same as space, really) and time turns into space"... so what exactly is expanding?

because if objects as they get further apart (expand) turn into length (what else would getting further apart do?). this would imply that the force of gravity gets reduced as length is increased (converting mass to distance). this is really obvious now that I've typed it out.

so whats happening at the currently observed event horizons then? could this be where mass gets fully converted into space & vice verse? for all we know the background microwave radiation is just the inside of a massive (or small possibly) event horizon? and we are only accelerating outwards because all the matter that has been converted into space is now converting back into matter at this "internal event horizon" and this matter has a gravitational effect on the solar systems?

maybe?

or i could just be making it up. i would really like to read the full theory to get a better understanding of his point of view.

This is the sort of stuff that kooks read and then form these radically stupid theories on how the universe is based on waveform resonance or that homeopathy actually works.

The blind leading the blind.

That's not what your mum told me this morning.

She faked it.

I agree with you, eski - there's a LOT of pseudo-science in cosmology. This guy seems pretty down the line though, he is demonstrating what pseudo-scientists do not which is skepticism of his own work and acknowledging there are problems with his theory.

This thread was on SA and everyone there who seemed to know what they were talking about space-wise rubbished it.

This thread was on SA and everyone there who seemed to know what they were talking about space-wise rubbished it.

Well that's good enough for me!

What will happen to The Big Bang Theory now?

hopefully it will get off television

Yeah all this came from a....... big bang?