Read about this just before and thought it sounds a little dodgy to me.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/steve-jobs-watching-you-apple-seeking-patent-0

It looks like Apple, Inc., is exploring a new business opportunity: spyware and what we're calling "traitorware." While users were celebrating the new jailbreaking and unlocking exemptions, Apple was quietly preparing to apply for a patent on technology that, among other things, would allow Apple to identify and punish users who take advantage of those exemptions or otherwise tinker with their devices. This patent application does nothing short of providing a roadmap for how Apple can — and presumably will — spy on its customers and control the way its customers use Apple products. As Sony-BMG learned, spying on your customers is bad for business. And the kind of spying enabled here is especially creepy — it's not just spyware, it's "traitorware," since it is designed to allow Apple to retaliate against you if you do something Apple doesn't like.

Patent Link: http://www.patentvest.com/console/reports/docs/app/20100207721.html

In some embodiments, an unauthorized user can be detected by noting particular activities that can indicate suspicious behavior. For example, activities such as entering an incorrect password a predetermined number of times in a row, hacking of the electronic device, jailbreaking of the electronic device, unlocking of the electronic device, removing a SIM card from the electronic device, or moving a predetermined distance away from a synced device can be used to detect an unauthorized user.

So if you jailbreak your phone (Legal in the USA btw) go on holiday and forget to update the distance allowed, your phone can and might lock up and never let you use it again.

What do others think?

Edit: Oops forgot the link to the original article.

others think it is f***ed

I don't get why apple is so pissed about this whole jailbreaking thing. People pay for the stupid "updated" phones (omg new case and less reception, quick, take my $600) so let them do what they want with it. It isn't like they are getting free calls or anything. It's just themes and some apps right? Or am I missing something sinister in the homebrew world when it comes to the iphone?

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if you jailbreak a phone you can stick apps on there that apple hasn't sanctioned, so they lose control

traitorware, haha awesome.


apple are just being a******s probably more so now that jailbreaking is legal in america. is it legal here?

On one hand, you have a raft of security measures designed to help you maintain the privacy of the data on your device. On the other hand, you have a security exploit which can be used to get un-verified apps onto your handset BUT ALSO remove the other security measures built into the OS designed to protect that data.

Of course - this is just another example of Apple's draconian ways and as if it hasn't been their plan to screw the users all along. We should all just move to Android, now there's a platform which supports open, transparent and unfettered access to your own device.

I reckon its probably going to get blown out of proportion long before anything ever happens, s*** like this doesn't fly with customers
Apple aren't stupid, they wont do something that will stop their next generation of iPhone midnight-queuers from lining up

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I reckon its probably going to get blown out of proportion long before anything ever happens, s*** like this doesn't fly with customers
Apple aren't stupid, they wont do something that will stop their next generation of iPhone midnight-queuers from lining up

s*** like this flies with apple customers because, while apple might not be stupid, their users generally are. They eat up everything apple tells them so if apple tells them it's for their own good they won't question it.

yeah and everyone goes on about how bad everything is, yet they continue to outsell everyone else because they make awesome products
for 99% of customers who just use it the intended way, there is no problem

if you want something to hack the s*** out of you should probably buy an android, apple obviously don't want their s*** f***ed with and thats their prerogative
if you don't like that no one is forcing you to buy apple products

Moral of the story: they're all corporations out to f*** you. Google can be more transparent about it, but in the end you're still getting f***ed just as badly as you will by Apple even if they're "open".

Go buy the piece of tech which suits your needs and preferences best, and get over this Highlander style of thinking that THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!#@

if you want something to hack the s*** out of you should probably buy an android, apple obviously don't want their s*** f***ed with and thats their prerogative

I'm pretty sure when someone buys an iPhone, it's not Apple's anymore. My Android phone sure as hell doesn't belong to Motorola.

if you don't like that no one is forcing you to buy apple products

Haha, awww, are the people saying bad things about Apple? Diddums.

how many people are buying the new iphone despite it's known connection issues? gotta love old jobsy boys way of playing it down by saying other phones suffer a similar issue. Well if those other phones suffer it how about you make it so yours is, I dunno, BETTER? and not suffer from those issues? But no, here's your s*** hardware and it's all you're getting and you'll like it.

Our first mobile was a CDMA phone that would work everywhere no matter how you held it. I've thrown my current phone around so much the metal case is all dented & scratched yet I can still hold it however I want & still make a call and my phone is what, 5 years old? more? I dunno, it's a v3 razr.

gotta love old jobsy boys way of playing it down by saying other phones suffer a similar issue

But before that it was "you are all holding the phone wrong". When that didn't work it became a issue all phones have.

lucky for me id never ever buy an apple product!

haha apple products/consumers

what a creepy flailing arm turtleneck wearing f***

I don't get why apple is so pissed about this whole jailbreaking thing. People pay for the stupid "updated" phones (omg new case and less reception, quick, take my $600) so let them do what they want with it. It isn't like they are getting free calls or anything. It's just themes and some apps right? Or am I missing something sinister in the homebrew world when it comes to the iphone?

Everything at apple is designed to lock you into the Apple system. Every new product that they make is an attempt to make you buy more apple products, or from apple product stores. By letting people legally escape this encapsulation process, it means that it is easier for people to bypass the business model.

yeah and everyone goes on about how bad everything is, yet they continue to outsell everyone else because they make awesome products for

They continue to sell well because of an awesome marketing campaign.

99% of customers who just use it the intended way, there is no problem

So, if something does't work on an Apple system, you're not doing it right? That's an awesome analysis of the failure of design over the last 20+ years of technology design.

if you want something to hack the s*** out of you should probably buy an android, apple obviously don't want their s*** f***ed with and thats their prerogative

So, would be okay for your car manufacturer to put a notice saying that you are not allowed to modify your car in any way, and if you do so your car could stop working indefinitely and you lose any and all warranty agreements? I mean, it's their prerogative because it's their car, right?

Of course not. It's your f***ing car, just like it's your f***ing iPhone.

if you don't like that no one is forcing you to buy apple products

People shouldn't assume that apple has the right to tell us what we can, or can not, do with a product we legally own. Your poor logic is slowly eroding our rights as consumers. Good job.

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I'm still massively pissed that Apple won't allow flash. Makes browsing on the iphone a useless experience a lot of the time.

i don''t use Apple stuff for this exact reason. They are so full of themselves.

I'm pretty sure when someone buys an iPhone, it's not Apple's anymore.

and

People shouldn't assume that apple has the right to tell us what we can, or can not, do with a product we legally own. Your poor logic is slowly eroding our rights as consumers. Good job.

You knew full well that Apple cripple products they know to be jail broken, you knew exactly where they stood on the issue and still bought it + then whinged about it?
I think the problem then becomes your own stupidity

So, would be okay for your car manufacturer to put a notice saying that you are not allowed to modify your car in any way, and if you do so your car could stop working indefinitely and you lose any and all warranty agreements? I mean, it's their prerogative because it's their car, right?

Of course not. It's your f***ing car, just like it's your f***ing iPhone.

or, like if I go and buy a brand new car, then modify the f*** out of it and they take away my factory warranty .. oh wait they do that
Apple have never crippled someones phone because they jailbroke it, they might not let you connect to itunes or something but once again that is completely their decision because they own itunes and you agreed to their terms & conditions

on the same note the car manufacturer could say f*** off dont come back to our service center because you modified your car

So, if something does't work on an Apple system, you're not doing it right? That's an awesome analysis of the failure of design over the last 20+ years of technology design.

what, this makes no sense
if you modify something and it no longer works, why would it be the fault of the manufacturer?

They continue to sell well because of an awesome marketing campaign.

lol yeah that's why, it's got nothing to do with how well their products work together

Everything at apple is designed to lock you into the Apple system. Every new product that they make is an attempt to make you buy more apple products, or from apple product stores. By letting people legally escape this encapsulation process, it means that it is easier for people to bypass the business model.

Correct, is this a bad thing though? it seems like a pretty good business idea to me
I have an iphone or 3, 2 macbooks, mac mini server, apple airport etc

you know what is awesome? how well everything just works together, as far as im concerned it's worth every cent because I spend 0 time trying to fix problems
you knew full well buying into an iphone that you had to use itunes to upload your music, you knew full well you couldn't install apps on it that Apple doesn't approve of, you still bought it so you don't get to whinge about it

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It is an excellent business model, it's also an absolute c*** of a thing.

Market to stupid people, sell to stupid people. (not all apple product owners are stupid, just the vast majority)

A phone is NOT a service. There are no terms of use that can be dictated by apple. That is for service providers to deal with.

Car makers don't get to decide road speed limits.
Television manufacturers don't get to tell you what you can watch.

If you want to run an app on your phone there should be nothing stopping you from doing it. If your phone plays music, you should not be restricted as to how the music is put on your phone.

The devices are great, the restrictions are garbage, the business is unquestionably profitable.

They (Apple) are just not your friends.

yeah and everyone goes on about how bad everything is, yet they continue to outsell everyone else because they make awesome products

what?

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2895375

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2940260

If you want to run an app on your phone there should be nothing stopping you from doing it. If your phone plays music, you should not be restricted as to how the music is put on your phone.

There is *nothing* stopping you from installing what you want on the iphone because it has been jailbroken, Apple don't like it but you've got the ability to do it now so whats the whinging all about?

its not any different to modifying your new car against the manufacturers wishes, you *can* do it but neither Apple nor Ford want you to do it

seriously cry more

what?

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2895375

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2940260

I said "outsell" not "ios is more prevalent than android"
all iphones run ios, but not all android phones are made by the same manufacturer

you need to grasp the sheer numbers of phones that apple sell, android is on many different brand of phones

heres my weekly report on the Apple Store at Chermside Shopping Centre.

Ive noticed a disturbing new tactic employed over the last two weeks.
Previously theres been a lot of ppl inside the store and a lot of staff.
Now, theres not as many people inside the store but about 10-15 lined up outside the store, not in the doorway itself but in the centre of the walkways outside the store.

I suspect Apple is paying people to line up outside to get attention for the store. I also suspect its the same people Apple was paying to be inside the store previously. There also seems to be less Staff in the shop then last two weeks which leads me to suspect that Apple is paying their staff to pose as customers to make the shop look busy.

One more thing, all the people waiting outside were well dressed and thin.
It felt like i was watching a live commercial, Performance Ad.
Ive never actually seen someone leaving the store with a product, not when ive been watching anyway.

Something is going on in that store.

I said "outsell" not "ios is more prevalent than android"
all iphones run ios, but not all android phones are made by the same manufacturer

you need to grasp the sheer numbers of phones that apple sell, android is on many different brand of phones

haha. grasp at straws much?

this traitorware is going to be a feature of an IOS update, not of a new iphone and the very flexibility that jail breaking your iphone IOS allows is one of the reasons why people are moving across to android based phones ergo debunking your statement.

people are sick of their s*** and are finally starting to wake up to it and realise there are better alternatives.

its not any different to modifying your new car against the manufacturers wishes, you *can* do it but neither Apple nor Ford want you to do it

And Ford don't patent technologies to put into their cars that detect when you make a modification to it and punish you for it.

Do you seriously not understand why people would be upset about Apple trying to control a device which the customer owns? Are you really that f***ing stupid? What did Apple do to make you insist on defending their horrible ideas?

I doubt it

no grasping either, if there was 5 major phone manufacturers and the first of them sold 1 operating system, the other 4 sold another type
the first company sells 1,000,000 phones and everyone else sells 300,000 phones - who do you think wins?
the companies that use the other operating system because combined they sold more phones or the first company who sold 1 million units?

Ive noticed a disturbing new tactic employed over the last two weeks.
Previously theres been a lot of ppl inside the store and a lot of staff.
Now, theres not as many people inside the store but about 10-15 lined up outside the store, not in the doorway itself but in the centre of the walkways outside the store.

I suspect Apple is paying people to line up outside to get attention for the store. I also suspect its the same people Apple was paying to be inside the store previously. There also seems to be less Staff in the shop then last two weeks which leads me to suspect that Apple is paying their staff to pose as customers to make the shop look busy.

One more thing, all the people waiting outside were well dressed and thin.
It felt like i was watching a live commercial, Performance Ad.
Ive never actually seen someone leaving the store with a product, not when ive been watching anyway.

Something is going on in that store.

HUH, your awesome faceman, you can conspricay theory up anything.

I laugh at the idea of a crazy looking man sitting on a bench outside the apple store for hours.

hahahaha suck s*** apple users.

This is nearly as stupid as how ur ipod gets whiped if u use it on someone elses itunes.

f***IN GAY APPLE!

HUH, your awesome faceman, you can conspricay theory up anything.

I laugh at the idea of a crazy looking man sitting on a bench outside the apple store for hours.

with a notepad taking notes and subtley taking photos with his phone, talking into the voice recorder.

hahahaha

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taken 2 weeks ago

lol deads***s

my brother was lined up in that line this morning, he just came over to show me his new iphone 4
definitely doesn't work for apple, in fact he doesn't work much at all

Ive noticed a disturbing new tactic employed over the last two weeks. Previously theres been a lot of ppl inside the store and a lot of staff. Now, theres not as many people inside the store but about 10-15 lined up outside the store, not in the doorway itself but in the centre of the walkways outside the store. I suspect Apple is paying people to line up outside to get attention for the store. I also suspect its the same people Apple was paying to be inside the store previously. There also seems to be less Staff in the shop then last two weeks which leads me to suspect that Apple is paying their staff to pose as customers to make the shop look busy. One more thing, all the people waiting outside were well dressed and thin. It felt like i was watching a live commercial, Performance Ad. Ive never actually seen someone leaving the store with a product, not when ive been watching anyway. Something is going on in that store.

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Lets be honest, Apple have got a long way to go to catch up to Google's level of creepy surveillance. I don't even want to imagine what sort of data is being collected through my android with all those massive EULA's I havent bothered to read.

So, would be okay for your car manufacturer to put a notice saying that you are not allowed to modify your car in any way, and if you do so your car could stop working indefinitely and you lose any and all warranty agreements? I mean, it's their prerogative because it's their car, right?

Of course not. It's your f***ing car, just like it's your f***ing iPhone.

or, like if I go and buy a brand new car, then modify the f*** out of it and they take away my factory warranty .. oh wait they do that
Apple have never crippled someones phone because they jailbroke it, they might not let you connect to itunes or something but once again that is completely their decision because they own itunes and you agreed to their terms & conditions

on the same note the car manufacturer could say f*** off dont come back to our service center because you modified your car

Apple want to be able to stop your phone working completely. As in D E A D. Dead. Not going any more. If you modify your car you can still get it serviced elsewhere. Ford etc couldn't legally make your car not work every again. Apple think they can and are trying to do so.

Apple think they can and are trying to do so.

citation needed

Ford *can* remotely disable your car if its stolen, they can make it never work again if you dont pay your repayments etc
You really think Apple will just cut your phone off from ever working again because you installed some app they didn't approve of?

We don't need more Facemen

Yeah but they're not going to disable your car for slapping on a pair of mag wheels or unlocking the onboard computer. You might void your warranty, but that was already the case with jailbreaking.

And the repo man will already come for your iphone if you fail to make payments.

they can make it never work again if you dont pay your repayments etc

citation needed.

Citation given

AHHAHAHAHHAHAHa thats awesome teq

Yeah what's the go there with people lining up outside of Chermside's Apple store? Are they lining up to get iPhone 4 or something?

Thank god I don't buy any Apple products

an unauthorized user can be detected by noting particular activities that can indicate suspicious behavior

I don't know about anyone else but i'm happy with apple developing tech that is good at stopping someone who shouldn't have my phone from jailbreaking it, moving it past a pre-determined distance from my sync-able devices, remove my sim card or whatever else the patent covers...

Although it does fly in the face of everything imei lock threat that i hear about from time to time... (I believe its not in teleco interests to lock out handsets from their networks or any networks as the 'stolen' phones or whatever have to be used somewhere by someone :) )

they're lining up for outright purchases, the apple store is the only place where you can buy them outright
there is no need to line up otherwise, carriers can sign you up over the phone and post it out

Thank god I don't buy any Apple products

I equate to this to

"Thank god I don't buy Louis Vuitton products" or "Thank god I don't shop at David Jones"
have more of a f***ing whinge about how they operate, it obviously works extremely well

they're lining up for outright purchases, the apple store is the only place where you can buy them outright
there is no need to line up otherwise, carriers can sign you up over the phone and post it out

I equate to this to

"Thank god I don't buy Louis Vuitton products" or "Thank god I don't shop at David Jones"
have more of a f***ing whinge about how they operate, it obviously works extremely well

Read it however you want, but I know why I don't buy Apple products. This latest round of patent is amongst those reasons.

Good for you to defend Apple, every monopolies need consumers like you to do their bidding for them. It's weird how people feel about Apple, when MS tried to do the same with Internet Explore etc way back they get slammed. I guess it's how you pitch yourself and conditioned people to think your way. I for one would not want to be part of the collective drone, thanks very much.

FYI, I don't buy LV or DJ either.

iphones give u cancer

Do0b's right.

I got an iphone and it is a cool device and I don't regret my purchase.

Am I an apple fanboi? :(

Citation given

So in other words its just some paranoid nutjob not Ford policy at all? edit - s*** i need to read that more closely next time

Pretty funny though :P

teq's defensive posts about Apple are cringe worthy.

Even more so than his 300kg mum in a mini giant skirt and boulder tube.

Apple want to be able to stop your phone working completely. As in D E A D. Dead. Not going any more. If you modify your car you can still get it serviced elsewhere. Ford etc couldn't legally make your car not work every again. Apple think they can and are trying to do so.

I'm glad that Android would never do something like that.

pwned

It's weird how people feel about Apple, when MS tried to do the same with Internet Explore etc way back they get slammed.

except no one gave a f*** about MS/IE

I find it funny that you think I'm defending them, I'm just pointing out the holes in your arguments
if my being a happy consumer makes me a fanboi then fanboi me up

pwned

except no one gave a f*** about MS/IE

I find it funny that you think I'm defending them, I'm just pointing out the holes in your arguments
if my being a happy consumer makes me a fanboi then fanboi me up

Yeah now you're just being a deliberate troll, cause I'm pretty sure the use doj and the European union gave a f*** about that little stunt bill tried to pull. Even netscape had a cry about it. But whatever dude you're a f***ing troll so imma stop feeding you now.

oh you mean the antitrust issue?

how the f*** does that compare to apple where smart phones are made by 11ty squillion companies and there is no monopoly on phone hardware or software

Settle down tequila, it's just the internet. Getting emotional about phones hahaha.

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I'm glad that Android would never do something like that.

Learn to read dude it's motorolla that's being an arsehole. This is nothing to do with android and I agree moto is being a jerk for doing so. Luckily android is an open platform so if like android os you can get other handset with similar capabilities. But whatever float your boat.

You Apple haters are as blindly devoted to hating Apple as the fanboys who love them imo.

Luckily android is an open platform so if like android os you can get other handset with similar capabilities. But whatever float your boat.

Rationalise Google pulling EZRoot off the Android Market if they're so committed to openness, freedom and transparency.

Rationalise Google pulling EZRoot off the Android Market if they're so committed to openness, freedom and transparency.

Easy:

http://www.androidcentral.com/google-pulls-easy-root-market

And here's the statement from the developer of Easy Root:

AndroidCentral.com-



First of all I would like to thank you for taking interest in this situation. I would also like to thank all the users (and people wanting to be users) of Easy Root for their patients through this ordeal. I wrote Easy Root for a single purpose, to make it as easy as possible for people to fully use the hardware they had paid for. When I first started getting word from people that Easy Root had been pulled from the Market I was surprised. I am sure that like many others I choose the Android platform for its commitment to openness and freedom. Now, having said that, I also understand that Google finds themselves between a rock and a hard place. While I am sure they want openness and freedom, they also have to protect users to a certain degree. An application that can root your phone can of course do a lot of other things too. I hope that I can come to an arrangement with Google that allows Easy Root back onto the Market as it is the easiest way for users to get it. If an agreement can't be made, don't worry, I am busy working on a version that doesn't require the Market at all. I hope to release the Market free version later today, and will let people know more about a Market version coming back once I actually hear something from Google.

Thank you,
Nathan
Unstable Apps

Now try to rationalize why Apple pulled any apps. Ok go.

PS For your information, there are plenty of apps on the market that will let you do "root" things once you've rooted your phone, like you know playing around with your CPU etc. Those haven't been pulled. So clearly Google didn't want to make it too easy for people to root their phone. But they know that anyone that knows what they're doing will, so they're not preventing those to download, and some _paid_ for these kind of apps.

Anyway I know you all just trolling me so congrats you got me.

That doesn't actually rationalise anything at all. In fact, this phrase:

I hope that I can come to an arrangement with Google that allows Easy Root back onto the Market as it is the easiest way for users to get it.

sounds akin to "PLEASE SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ASS-REAMING?"

If you read everything I've said in this thread - I've been saying that Google are just as f***ing bad as Apple. I'm not saying Apple are good. Yes Apple pull apps, but so do Google. Don't put Google up on some f***ing pedestal and fellate them over their openness when deep down they're just as willing to screw over their users to protect their business partnerships and income streams.

Rooting an android handset allows people to remove the crapware installed on android phones by carriers and manufacturers. If Google allows such an app onto the Market it risks those vendors choosing a different platform. Google's benefit from android is not selling licenses to vendors, it is to lock users into Google services. The more users Google has on its services the more eyeballs it can shoot ads at.

Don't ever forget, you're not a google customer - you're Google's product. They sell you to their customers.

Corporations are not your Friend.

I'm reading this as Apple is asking me to go somewhere else...

I'm still massively pissed that Apple won't allow flash. Makes browsing on the iphone a useless experience a lot of the time.

Check the web mate flash development on Android phones was a massive disaster... it has a long way to come so don't be too angry.

Apple would have made it work properly just fyi

I'm glad that Android would never do something like that.

That has already been said to be completely false. I have another Motorola Android phone with a locked bootloader, and it's a load of bulls***.

Also, the Droid X has been out for a while now, and no phones are bricked.

And "Android" isn't a company, it's a product.

Don't put Google up on some f***ing pedestal and fellate them over their openness when deep down they're just as willing to screw over their users to protect their business partnerships and income streams.

Fair enough, but I wasn't talking about "Google" being open, I was talking about "Android" product as a platform being open as in any vendors can use it for their hardware. You're the one that's bringing up all of these vendor specific bulls*** tactics to which I agree Moto and Google aren't a nice guy (as if that's something new) but, they certainly haven't patent some bulls*** method of bricking people's own phone because they want to jailbreak.

And guess what? You can install rooting tool just not from the standard "Google's" Android's "market". In fact you can install any apk file you want and you can _even_ replace the market app or whatever else like keyboard, browser etc but you're certainly taking a risk for installing stuff from "alternative" markets. "Google" doesn't stop you from doing that.

You don't need to root you phone before you can install alternative app either or duplicate functionality software LOL ever the f*** that means, this includes the "market" apps. You just have to allow to install apk from unknown sources in the settings and the way you go, root, unroot or even brick your phone to your heart's desire.

In fact you don't even need a "market" app to install your apps, you just download it, and install it, you may or may not f***ed your phone but it's your choice and your fault. The irony is that it's far easier to jailbreak Google's nexusone than it is the HTC Desire. For reals.

Now try to download "apps" to your i[anything] without iTunes on your "authorised" PC without jailbreaking first.... I can hear tumble weeds rolling past me already...

Of course this patent could be nothing more than a storm in a tea cup like the Droid X's chip.

So in conclusion IMO with all that TLDR; being said, the "Android" platform is more "open" you may disagree but that's your opinion, now this is mine - Thank god I don't buy Apple's product.

xoxox Android's #1221233 fanboi xoxox

So in conclusion IMO with all that TLDR; being said, the "Android" platform is more "open"

is it really, all you've pointed out is that you "can" install rootkits via "alternative" sources
Guess what? You can root an iPhone with a jailbreak from an "alternative" source too ..

is it really, all you've pointed out is that you "can" install rootkits via "alternative" sources
Guess what? You can root an iPhone with a jailbreak from an "alternative" source too ..

Yeah, and soon apple will be able to brick your iPhone if you do do that (woo complete circle for the thread!)... have you been paying attention at all?

is it really, all you've pointed out is that you "can" install rootkits via "alternative" sources
Guess what? You can root an iPhone with a jailbreak from an "alternative" source too ..

LOL if all you got out of my TLDR rant was that, then you really have proven my point, you are a troll and just love being the opposite just for the sake of it. Good for you though, the world needs people like to you to keep the place interesting. Have a good weekend.

Yeah, and soon apple will be able to brick your iPhone

and do you really think they will brick peoples phones for doing so?
Microsoft can ban your xbox from their network, they could probably brick your 360 if they wanted but they dont

talk about being worried over nothing, Apple wont just randomly f*** with your hardware because they can
btw, right now they can already remotely wipe your phone at the push of a button ..

Well to be perfectly honest Apple is probably the only company that I genuinely believe have it in them. I mean come on, with all that brainwashing and more lawsuits than you can poke a stick at, they're basically the Scientology of the corporation world.

microsoft can ban your xbox from their network, they could probably brick your 360 if they wanted but they dont

umm, not sure about that. i know several people banned from xbox live for piracy.

Check the web mate flash development on Android phones was a massive disaster... it has a long way to come so don't be too angry.

:o! "Check the web"?! That proves it!

they cant brick my 360, not even i can brick my 360, i have a nice little device that stops that.

Check the web mate flash development on Android phones was a massive disaster... it has a long way to come so don't be too angry.

wat? it seemed to work perfectly on my Android phone. I uninstalled it though cuz I don't need it and the entire web is faster and better without Flash

well i was down Chermside today and there was LOTS of people in the Apple Store and nobody lined up outside.

Pretty sure the line is only when they receive delivery of iPhone 4s.

funny that, the iphone line being empty once in a while, a month after it's release

wat? it seemed to work perfectly on my Android phone. I uninstalled it though cuz I don't need it and the entire web is faster and better without Flash

Even when it's installed, Flash elements on a page won't load until you click on them, or change the settings to make them load automatically. I'd think that even if you don't like Flash, you're better off having it installed in case you do need to view something. The rest of the time, it won't make a difference.

Even when it's installed, Flash elements on a page won't load until you click on them, or change the settings to make them load automatically. I'd think that even if you don't like Flash, you're better off having it installed in case you do need to view something. The rest of the time, it won't make a difference.

That was definitely not the behaviour for me with the version I installed; all Flash played by default

That was definitely not the behaviour for me with the version I installed; all Flash played by default

That'd be the "massive disaster" weedy was referring to I guess ;P