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Topic: Female genital mutilation
Pinky
Posts: 6641
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Man this story is horrifying.

I can't believe that is a true story. Poor girls.


She went on: "I came to the living room and there were loads of women. I later found out it was to hold me down, they bring lots of women to hold the girl down. I thought I was going to be brave so I didn't really need that. I just lay down and I remember looking at the ceiling and staring at the fan.

"I don't remember screaming, I remember the ridiculous amount of pain, I remember the blood everywhere, one of the maids, I actually saw her pick up the bit of flesh that they cut away 'cause she was mopping up the blood. There was blood everywhere."


Some 140 million women worldwide have been subjected to FGM and an estimated further two million are at risk every year. Most live in 28 African countries while others are in Yemen, Kurdistan, the US, Saudi Arabia, Australia and Canada.

Crazy.

There is a specific Act in the law addressing it:

The UK Prohibition of Female Circumcision Act 1985 makes it an offence to carry out FGM or to aid, abet or procure the service of another person. The Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003, makes it against the law for FGM to be performed anywhere in the world on UK permanent residents of any age and carries a maximum sentence of 14 years imprisonment. To date, no prosecutions have been made under UK legislation.

Urgh, that is really really sickening.
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thermite
Posts: 5978
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah but outlawing it doesn't change the fact that they'll keep doing it, just means they can't have doctors or someone that understands sterility and has a good knife to do it.
stinky
Posts: 3528
Location: USA
yet Male Genital Mutilation is a practice condoned by many in society.
Nerfosaurus
Posts: 575
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

This is one of the things that keep me up wondering how to fix the world. A friend recently told me that a woman she works with has had this done to her, don't know if it was done here or if she immigrated.
Nerfosaurus
Posts: 576
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yeah but outlawing it doesn't change the fact that they'll keep doing it, just means they can't have doctors or someone that understands sterility and has a good knife to do it.


Removing the skin at the tip of the penis, while probably stupid, is not the same as removing the clit, a woman's ability to enjoy sex, to "ensure she doesn't cheat" - I'm not Jewish or circumcised ftr.
natslovR
Posts: 6792
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
And it may also help reduce your risk of catching aids, if you can't do the be celebate/monogomous thing or the always use a condom thing.
FaceMan
Posts: 3931
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So we should sexually mutilate children to protect them from catching AIDS ?
If they want to get circumcised let them choose when they are Teens. Ill bet that will die out in one generation. No adult should be down there playing with your childs genitals. What a great job for a Pedophile.

God, Religion makes me sick.
HERMITech
Posts: 6987
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
God, Religion makes me sick.

Oh the irony
Steve Farrelly
Posts: 3049
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

yet Male Genital Mutilation is a practice condoned by many in society.
Male circumsition is not there to deter sex or even make sex uncomfortable. iI's barbaric, yes, but does not change a male's drive for sex (I am one such person, though not jeweish), for men, its as close as having your appendix removed (yes I know it's not the exact same and they're not totally equitable, but it's as close as I could come to straight out redundancy...

Point is, don't cut ladies up, it's retarded and stupid
wiggleplix
Posts: 118
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Absolutely disgusting practice. WTF are those people thinking, f***ing morons- 2 f***ing brain cells each and they're fighting each other.
Spook
Posts: 29852
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i am for it, it looks much nicer and theres less cheese
fade
Posts: 4613
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

male is completely different.

are you noticing a trend of where this practice is common? Safe to say the occurances in the US, Australia and Canada are not by caucasian folk.
ravn0s
Posts: 10685
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
male circumcision was for hygiene reasons, now its done for cosmetic reasons.

fgm is just f***ing retarded and those that practice it should be shot.
BillyHardball
Posts: 10924
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The US passed some stupid law recently allowing doctors to do it, I think... SGU talked about it a few weeks ago.
fade
Posts: 4614
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

political correctness gone mad billy.
thermite
Posts: 5980
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The stupid law was the previous one saying they couldn't do it. They're still going to do it, it's their thing, only they're going to do it at home with the knife they use to dice chicken. The answer to this is not through legislation, it's through teaching people that their culture is retarded.

Removing the skin at the tip of the penis, while probably stupid, is not the same as removing the clit, a woman's ability to enjoy sex, to "ensure she doesn't cheat" - I'm not Jewish or circumcised ftr.


Random reply is random.
hardware
Posts: 7747
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I thought you of all people termite would know a random reply when you saw one, but no.

FGM is one of the most disgusting and sickening things ever. Don't blame religion, there is no God in the universe that would want this, blame people who are f***ed in the head.
Corrupt
Posts: 1593
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Genital mutilation regardless of sex is sickening.
eski
Posts: 92
Location: Perth, Western Australia

While I disagree with this been done to females, it's been 100% proven that circumcision of males reduces the incidence of aids in africa.

http://www.circumcisionworld.com/data%20sources/RELATIVE%20RISK%20PAPER.pdf
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2005/07/0726_050726_circumcision.html
MatchFixah
Posts: 3870
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
"Don't blame religion, there is no God in the universe that would want this, blame people who are f***ed in the head."

Amen to that.
eski
Posts: 93
Location: Perth, Western Australia

The problem there is that religion is just a bunch of people who are f***ed in the head doing stuff because some invisible force commands it.
MatchFixah
Posts: 3872
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Not me.
Vash
Posts: 1933
Location:
So where did circumcision come from? It originates from religion, right?
It amazes me religion is still so enveloped in society with scientific evidence to shut down the many writings of religions.
fade
Posts: 4615
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Vash - i think you'll find male circumcision reduced disease
Mantorok
Posts: 5220
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So where did circumcision come from? It originates from religion, right?
Oldest records of male circumcision are from Ancient Egypt, and it was a religious mark of passage from childhood into adulthood.
Sc00bs
Posts: 4675
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
there was an episode of nip tuck that was about this, some black chick getting them to put a clit back on her cause it got cut off when she was younger.

Some african country i think she was from, they did it so the women didnt feel any pleasure from sex so she wouldnt want to cheat on her husband.
gumbiddy
Posts: 113
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
male circumcision still reduces the pleasure of sex, you lose a heap of nerve endings at the tip of your foreskin

it's a weird western cultural thing that genital mutilation of young boys is seen as OK (nobody would bat an eyelid) while for girls it is abhorrent
MatchFixah
Posts: 3875
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

male circumcision still reduces the pleasure of sex, you lose a heap of nerve endings at the tip of your foreskin
Yeah but it means i can go on for aages.
Sc00bs
Posts: 4676
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
americans think its wierd if u dont have ur junk cut off... f***in wierd americans

thermite
Posts: 5982
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Go look up a video of a male baby circumcision, and see if you still think it's OK. The only reason it would prevent infections is if you don't keep it clean, so it stays dirty and moist under there. It's just as wrong and the health/aesthetic reasons are just justifications for a practice that is purely cultural (i.e: stupid).
Mantorok
Posts: 5222
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah but it means i can go on for aages.
Doing Kegel exercises would have a bigger impact.
Vash
Posts: 1934
Location:
lol @ lasting longer...
plenty of other ways to do that uncircumcised.
Also, doesn't take much to keep the fella clean.
eski
Posts: 97
Location: Perth, Western Australia

RESPECT THE COCK!
MatchFixah
Posts: 3877
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

lol @ lasting longer...
plenty of other ways to do that uncircumcised
Sticking it in another guy's pooper doesn't count, so not reaching a climax quickly would be an understatement

On that note: ew.
FaceMan
Posts: 3934
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
There is no evidence of any credibility that circumcission prevents AIDS.
Its a load of crap.

The only way to test the theory would be to force AIDS victims to have sex with a controlled group of circumcised and non-circumcised and nobody is going to join that kind of control group.

The lower rates are far more likely to indicate that those who might get the choice of the circumcision method are also likely to use other means of ensuring they do not get infected, education, choice of partners, cleanliness, condoms, avoiding blood rituals, monogamy.

AIDS is everywhere in Africa, whole towns without adults older than 30.
When you factor in sexual abuse of kids and unclean knives used to circumcise sometimes groups of females and males you end up with whole generations of families wiped out. Barbaric Circumcissions are prolly responsible for a lot of AIDS transmissions. People doing the unsanitary circumcissions prolly have AIDS.



last edited by FaceMan at 12:09:54 29/Jul/10
paveway
Posts: 12636
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hate to say it but i agree with the face

circumcision lowering the chance of getting aids sounds like a crock of s***
thermite
Posts: 5985
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah I don't think you can trust any scientific conclusions coming out of Africa because they eat da poo poo.
eski
Posts: 99
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Did you guys miss the paper I linked to earlier?

Or did you just not bother to seek out any evidence whatsoever before you stated your opinion?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=circumcision+aids+africa
taggs
Posts: 4344
Location:
There is no evidence of any credibility that circumcission prevents AIDS.
Its a load of crap.


yeah, beacuse the World Health Organisaion and the Centre for Disease Control (US) are totally not credible.

male circumcision is totally unnecessary in developed societies but many medical professionals think it could be one of the most cost-effective ways to reduce AIDs transmission in Africa.

f*** you're an uninformed retard, faceman.
thermite
Posts: 5986
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I saw that eski but it makes no difference anyway, because AIDS is caused by condoms. So that's the real problem.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=condoms+cause+aids
hardware
Posts: 7752
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
to faceman, proven fact is worth very little, but some loony theory is absolute fact

and you wonder, faceman, why we all laugh at you
taggs
Posts: 4345
Location:
what's the bet he won't respond now as usual.

or will post something completely unrelated while ignoring all the factual, scientific evidence that shows he couldn't be more wrong.

just like a faceman.
FaceMan
Posts: 3936
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
After reading a couple of those the only theory was that the skin on the tip was likely to be tougher and resist the virus entering through the foreskin, but what about the entire length of the Penis ?
The follicles where hairs grow ? the eye of the penis ?
Any areas exposed to bodily fluids could be an entry point.

taggs
Posts: 4346
Location:
way to miss the point you f***ing clown.

no one is saying it is 100% effective in preventing AIDs transmission, but it has been scientifically proven to reduce the probability of transmission.

when we're talking about hundreds of millions of people thats a significant amount of AIDs transmission that can be reduced by an astoundingly simple procedure.

and you didn't respond to the main point anyway. you said there was no credible evidence that it reduces AIDs transmission (reading it again you said there was no credible evidence it prevents AIDs, which is a stupid strawman because no one says that) - and you were completely and utterly wrong. admit it you stupid f***. circumcision, condoms and getting the catholic crazies out of africa would be the best thing for the continent.
FaceMan
Posts: 3937
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well theres no credible evidence because they dont know why it "apparantly" works which suggests superstition.
back to the grazing sheeple.
Raider
Posts: 3105
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
wana know a guaranteed way to reduce the spread of aids? stop f***ing infected people.

Also no-one is going to convince people about cut vs uncut, fact is with people showering 1-2 times a day and cleaning their s*** the hole "cut it to be safe from infection" is a load of s*** for western civs.

It's purely cosmetic which is the choice the person should make not the parents.
thermite
Posts: 5987
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Don't worry faceman, Penn & Teller are on our side.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672524/

(sorry no video)
taggs
Posts: 4347
Location:

did you even read any of the articles you moron?

Compared with the dry external skin surface, the inner mucosa of the foreskin has less keratinization (deposition of fibrous protein), a higher density of target cells for HIV infection (Langerhans cells), and is more susceptible to HIV infection than other penile tissue in laboratory studies [2]. The foreskin may also have greater susceptibility to traumatic epithelial disruptions (tears) during intercourse, providing a portal of entry for pathogens, including HIV [3]. In addition, the microenvironment in the preputial sac between the unretracted foreskin and the glans penis may be conducive to viral survival [1]. Finally, the higher rates of sexually transmitted genital ulcerative disease, such as syphilis, observed in uncircumcised men may also increase susceptibility to HIV infection [4].


goddamn arguing with faceman is like arguing with a creationist. you can't win, i give up.
Mantorok
Posts: 5226
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The thing with AIDS is the only data supporting circumcision is based on studies done in Africa. Studies done in Britain and Australia have shown the impact is minimal, because condom usage is higher. The reason they're pushing for circumcision over condoms is because there's opposition to condoms in Africa thanks to Christian missionaries.
This is the better solution:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100718/hl_afp/austriahealthaidsconferenceusfinanceworldbank
taggs
Posts: 4348
Location:
sifn't use all available measures: condoms, circumcision, cash payments... whatever works.

i wasn't saying circumcision is the best method (even though it would make a material difference), clearly education and condoms are the most effective. i was just responding to faceman's typical bulls***.
FaceMan
Posts: 3938
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I didnt see anything convincing in those observations.
The whole penis is used for sex and the general areas around the penis is exposed. Its quite rediculous to accept that circumcission can protect the entire body from the HIV virus.
fade
Posts: 4617
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

new sig
faceman: but what about the entire length of the Penis ?

getting back to topic.


back to the grazing sheeple.


I'm as cynical as the next, but, Faceman, there comes a point when you must say, I don't have a f***ing M.D, I don't have a f***ing PhD, I didn't participate in the study (although you probably want to get buttf***ed by African savages), I think I'm going to defer to their experience, education, etc etc etc.
GumbyNoTalent
Posts: 6598
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
admit it you stupid f***. circumcision, condoms and getting the catholic crazies out of africa would be the best thing for the continent


Let me fix this sentence for you so it is 100% correct because it came so close.

Admit it you stupid f***. circumcision, condoms and getting the catholic crazies out of africa Religion of any kind banned would be the best thing for the continent human race.
Mordecai
Posts: 106
Location: Victoria

I saw that eski but it makes no difference anyway, because AIDS is caused by condoms. So that's the real problem.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=condoms+cause+aids

This made me want to smack the f out of that Joanna Bogle lady
GumbyNoTalent
Posts: 6599
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And now for some real education on the subject...

TED Videos on AIDS.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=TED+AIDS&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=KYf&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=v&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=lPtQTNasDIq8sQOuxcHBDg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4QqwQwAA

Disclamer - I haven't watched any of these, but assumption has been made that TED would provide material based on interesting facts.



last edited by GumbyNoTalent at 13:58:38 29/Jul/10
thermite
Posts: 5988
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
fade and taggs, get off your high horse. There are many people, such as the jews, that have been waiting for decades to find something, anything, that justifies male circumcision. After all, God would look pretty f***ing stupid for asking the jews to do this if there was no reason. A couple studies suggested a statistical significance in reducing HIV, and a lot of people jumped at the chance to go "see! see! we were right".

The studies and media articles you are referring to are absolutely controversial, and highly criticised.

Here are some references gathered in response to those studies that suggest something different.


Mcallister RG, Travis JW, Bollinger D, Rutiser C, Sundar V (Fall 2008). "The cost to circumcise Africa". International Journal of Men's Health (Men's Studies Press) 7 (3): 307–316. doi:10.3149/jmh.0703.307. ISBN 1532-6306 (Print) 1933-0278 (Online). http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+cost+to+circumcise+Africa.-a0189486243.

Mills, J.; N. Siegfried (October 2006). "Cautious optimism for new HIV/AIDS prevention strategies.". Lancet 368 (9543): 1236. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(06)69513-5. PMID 17027724. ""The inferences drawn from the only completed randomised controlled trial (RCT) of circumcision could be weak because the trial stopped early. In a systematic review of RCTs stopped early for benefit, such RCTs were found to overestimate treatment effects. When trials with events fewer than the median number (n=66) were compared with those with event numbers above the median, the odds ratio for a magnitude of effect greater than the median was 28 (95% CI 11--73). The circumcision trial recorded 69 events, and is therefore at risk of serious effect overestimation. We therefore advocate an impartial meta-analysis of individual patients' data from this and other trials underway before further feasibility studies are done.".

Dowsett, G.W.; M. Couch (May 2007). "Male circumcision and HIV prevention: is there really enough of the right kind of evidence?" (PDF). Reproductive Health Matters 15 (29): 33–44. doi:10.1016/S0968-8080(07)29302-4. PMID 17512372. http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0968-8080/PIIS0968808007293024.pdf.

Wawer, Maria; et al. (18 July 2009). "Circumcision in HIV-infected men and its effect on HIV transmission to female partners in Rakai, Uganda: a randomised controlled trial". Lancet 374 (9685): 229–237. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(09)60998-3. PMID 19616720. PMC 2905212. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/fulltext.

Millett GA, Flores SA, Marks G, et al. (2008). "Circumcision Status and Risk of HIV and Sexually Transmitted Infections Among Men Who Have Sex With Men". JAMA 300 (14): 1674–1684. doi:10.1001/jama.300.14.1674. PMID 18840841. http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/300/14/1674.
GumbyNoTalent
Posts: 6600
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
After all, God would look pretty f***ing stupid for asking the jews to do this if there was no reason.


They did cause they lived 5000 years ago in a desert without much water to bath in regularly, so disease and the pain of pissing razorblades seemed like a good enough reason. But today where we 1st World Countries have the luxury of bathing everyday and 100x better hygiene it is an obsolete practice.
fade
Posts: 4619
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Thermite has, yet again, misconceived the post.

We are saying (well I am at least) - I don't know the answer. I know that I don't have the education or experience to profer even the slightest of opinions. For that reason I'm going to heed the WHO's position.
eski
Posts: 101
Location: Perth, Western Australia

A couple studies suggested a statistical significance in reducing HIV,


actually if you read the meta analysis, most studies suggest that circumcision produces a statistically significant reduction in HIV.
Hogfather
Posts: 7389
Location: Cairns, Queensland

I hesitated to post. No doubt some raging arsehole is gonna call me a jerk but here we go...

Our eldest (7) is circumcised. Our two year old is likely to have it done following medical advice.

We're against it generally but for some reason they both develop lots of infections. I don't have a foreskin so I can't comment on whether the dicks are being cleaned 100% right but we definelty want to avoid it and made sure they're well bathed etc., make sure they pull it back blah blah and got medical advice.

The specialist says some boys are just more prone to it. No idea if its my genes or what since every male in the family is chopped. Maybe my side evolved dodgy foreskin hygeine genes and didn't know it cos they have been chopped for generations >< Wifey gets all teary at the thought of another kid getting the chop but he is in agony when its inflamed so we reckon its a lesser evil and he's been booked in.
thermite
Posts: 5989
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
A couple studies suggested a statistical significance in reducing HIV,


actually if you read the meta analysis, most studies suggest that circumcision produces a statistically significant reduction in HIV.


redundant response is [insert answer here]
NoLogic
Posts: 617
Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
I had the chop .. it sucked, couldn't walk for a year.
Sc00bs
Posts: 4678
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
u butcher hog :P

can totally understand in a situation like that were infections are a problem, but if nothing is wrong and they still chose to do it.

I'd imagine its not good for a baby to have such a shock(like some of its dick gettin chopped off) to its sytem.
ravn0s
Posts: 10691
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i thought it was pretty much painless now though.

FaceMan
Posts: 3940
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hogfather did you have it recommended through the Private Health System ?
As a parent you prolly took the best option recommended to you so Im not going to attack you for doing it. Man has survived pretty well without circumcission in far less hygenic situations than middle class homes, its not neccesary.

Condoms are the natural enemy of Religion because condoms stop the manufacture of more subjects. In a continent with barely any education in most countries Religion is extremely powerful in Africa. Its the tool used to control the masses and it tells people that condoms cause AIDS and dont work. I think that constututes a Crime against Humanity.

God, I hate religion.

gamer
Posts: 981
Location:
Cutting anything off on either male or female is a stupid archaic action. I dont understand why there is a law against it for females though, if they WANT to have it done, let them. Same with men, if you choose for that, good for you - people should be allowed to choose.

Despite me feeling like no one should do it, man or women, im open for people to make up their own mind.
Spook
Posts: 29856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lols, anytime you got faceman and thermy on your side, its time to rethink your stance

hahaha
fade
Posts: 4620
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

like spook in an election thread?
FaceMan
Posts: 3941
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You guys carry on like Mean Girls.
taggs
Posts: 4349
Location:
thermite as in all academic disciplines there are differing opinions. there are academic studies out there discrediting the premise of global warming but most people seem to side with the international bodies (e.g. IPCC) who review all the evidence/research then state an opinion.

i'm not on of any kind of high horse - you seem to be taking this a little personally. i think the best prevention of aids is education and condoms as i have stated several times previously. however, there is a significant body of scientific research that suggests circumcision can help reduce the transmission of AIDs and so this shouldn't be ignored, particularly for areas like africa where education levels and condom usage are very low.

i'll repeat myself again - i think all effective measures should be enacted including education, condoms, and even the kind of cash payment schemes that mantorok linked to. but to ignore the consensus of organisations like the WHO and CDC for the odd peer reviewed article (you think those organisations don't review all available research?!) is a bit retarded.

lols, anytime you got faceman and thermy on your side, its time to rethink your stance


haha, so true.

There are many people, such as the jews, that have been waiting for decades to find something, anything, that justifies male circumcision.


not really, circumcision rates have plummeted dramatically in pretty much all western societies except for the US. but yes, i'm sure these medical study results are purely a result of jews and other vested interest groups looking for ways to validate their cultural practices and not legitimate medical research looking for ways to curb the AIDs problem sweeping the globe. thermite: super rational as always.

/tin foil hat
Mantorok
Posts: 5229
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
people should be allowed to choose.
People don't get to choose though, their parents do.
NoLogic
Posts: 618
Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
me on my special day....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/famsar/circum1.jpg
d0mino
Posts: 4969
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

MUST!
taggs
Posts: 4351
Location:
CAN'T NOT
thermite
Posts: 5990
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Taggs, It's pretty clear you don't know, or care, much about this topic. For you, this is just an opportunity to have a go at faceman, so you quickly formed an opinion and now you're stuck with it.
eski
Posts: 102
Location: Perth, Western Australia

redundant response is [insert answer here]


It's just that you made it out as if there wasnt an overwhelming majority of studies that reported the reduction in HIV.
Hogfather
Posts: 7390
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Hogfather did you have it recommended through the Private Health System ?

Public system recommended the action. Interesting that the paperwork says "family requested" rather than the accurate "doctor recommends" though. There's some seriously political s*** going on with circumcision in the health system.

We're probably going to lay down the $ to get it done privately though as I dont want to wait a few years (IMO hes already old to have it done at 2!). Its not gonna be cheap as its being done under general anaesthetic.
As a parent you prolly took the best option recommended to you so Im not going to attack you for doing it. Man has survived pretty well without circumcission in far less hygenic situations than middle class homes, its not neccesary.

Its not necessary no - but lots of medical procedures we do to relieve suffering aren't strictly necessary for survival.
MatchFixah
Posts: 3880
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Despite me feeling like no one should do it, man or women, im open for people to make up their own mind.
So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about whether or not their new born should get the chopp?
NoLogic
Posts: 619
Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
Dudes that don't 'Go Helmet' are a bit like hairy eastern european chicks.. eww
Hogfather
Posts: 7391
Location: Cairns, Queensland

So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about their new born?

Me? Yes. We chose not to circumcise the boys at birth and support a choice.

I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing. Fortunately I'm not the king though and everyone has their own road to walk :)
GumbyNoTalent
Posts: 6601
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Dudes that don't 'Go Helmet' are a bit like hairy eastern european chicks.. eww


If the chick I'm with doesn't like the look of it... I just stick it somewhere she cant see it... over and over and over again... :)
d0mino
Posts: 4972
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

helmet for life, im never going back.
NoLogic
Posts: 621
Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
helmet for life, im never going back.


Yeea!! I love mine, in fact I often spend serious time decorating it. Sometimes it's red like a clown nose, sometimes camoflaged ...

at the moment I am wearing the classic 8 ball look, chicks love it.
taggs
Posts: 4354
Location:

Taggs, It's pretty clear you don't know, or care, much about this topic. For you, this is just an opportunity to have a go at faceman, so you quickly formed an opinion and now you're stuck with it.


i've actually done a bit of reading on it which is why faceman's utterly retarded opinion stuck out like a sore thumb.

but if you think of yourself as the resident qgl expert on cock i'm sorry if i offended your sensibilities by posting my opinion backed up by the official stance of legitimate world health bodies who base their stance on scientific research.

anyhow, carry on - i'm done with this one :)
FaceMan
Posts: 3944
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I bet my cocks better than yours.

Since nobody here knows me as me then i can safely share this bit of info because it will be anonymous.
My old man whos like 60 somthing had some problem with his dick and the foreskin somehow fusing onto the penis tip or something, it was pretty painful for him apparantly and as such the Dr recommended him getting a Circumcission so he did.
he only mentioned this to me briefly and i was like man i dont want to hear anymore about that ! I gather it was a success.
gamer
Posts: 984
Location:
So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about whether or not their new born should get the chopp?


f*** NO. How the f*** can the child choose for himself then??

stupid MUM + DAD: oh lets cercumsize our sun because WE beleive its BEST for him (spoken like true mindless christian/jewish zealots)

child 16 years later: uhh guys i choose not to be cercumsized...

pretty fuking redundant if you let the parents decide for the kid because the kids ends up not being able to decide for himself if they choose to have the chop.

dont fuking mutilate your kids. if the kid grows up and doesnt want it, let him choose for himself. my jewish mate got the chop when he was 15/16, healed up quick as and he was able to make the decision for himself.
wiggleplix
Posts: 120
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Nothing wrong with being a cheese weasel
Charlie
Posts: 1757
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing. Fortunately I'm not the king though and everyone has their own road to walk :)


You heard it here first, Hoggy luuuuuuurrrrrrrveeeeeessss the cut cawk.
skythra
Posts: 2662
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

That's why jews are so popular in porn!
gamer
Posts: 985
Location:
That's why jews are so popular in porn!


Yeah like you can back that up with any substantial factual evidence other then your own opinion from all the gayporn youve watched
infi
Posts: 15908
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I am anti-schmegma but girls bajingas are hot so why change them.
koopz
Posts: 8947
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hmm.. FGM doesn't seem to work well enough.

some women still find themselves being buried up to their necks and stoned to death.



last edited by koopz at 00:18:59 30/Jul/10
Pinky
Posts: 6650
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

hmm.. FGM doesn't seem to work well enough.

some women still find themselves being buried up to their necks and stoned to death.

Ooooh! A petition! That should help.

:-/

Interesting about Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani not facing stoning though. I've seen a lot of news about that recently. She faces hanging instead now though, pretty f***ed up over there.
tequila
Posts: 7937
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


This made me want to smack the f out of that Joanna Bogle lady


actually I feel the opposite, the host was a dick
he put words into her mouth, she wasn't saying that rubbers dont work, she's just saying that they dont 100% solve the problem

like she said, all it takes is one time where something goes wrong (breaks, comes off or whatever) - to transmit it
I think shes saying if you've got aids that abstinence is the only way to go?

I reckon shes right, but it's a naive point of view, who's going to stop rooting when your junk still works
people with aids should just do other people with aids amirite guys
myWhiteWolf
Posts: 2884
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
chopping off the entire dick would stop aids from spreading much better than just the tip, why don't we recommend that?

Unnecessary surgery to prevent what "might" be a problem is stupid imo. should we chop of your nipples because you might get breast cancer? not like its used for anything and IMO, men look better without nipples? Its a f***ing stupid stance. while we are at it why don't we chop out the appendices too... just in case?

and also during the studies i recall reading that they stopped it short because it became evident that it would have been inhumane to not offer circumcision to the survey participants?

also, i wouldn't want to give someone overconfidence that there chopped member is going to protect them from aides without the use of a rubber?

I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing.
that's a culture thing, just like FGM is a cultural thing to them? same s*** different bucket. if you don't like the look of it when your old enough, go to a plastic surgeon to have it removed, and should be looked at with the same social stigma as plastic surgery.

if there is medical reasons however, its a valid procedure to improve ones health. but risking infection to prevent a possible infection is a really f***ing stupid idea.
thermite
Posts: 6014
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The study about how aids can be reduced by circumcision is actually used as a textbook example on bad scientific studies at UQ.
Pinky
Posts: 6657
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

chopping off the entire dick would stop aids from spreading much better than just the tip, why don't we recommend that?

I've heard condoms work pretty well too. Sorry, no reference to back up my wild, unsubstantiated claims.
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