read here.

I really hope nostradamus was wrong and that they wont finally get this fuking thing working in 2012 only to have it drag us all to hell. I was hoping this thing could be up and running this year so that we dont have to worry it's what nostradamus warned about.

I would love to think nostradamus was wrong (or the people who interpret his last 12 drawings were wrong - the 10th drawing being a picture of two tall castle towers on fire!) and his last being a picture of the 4 horsemen with wind/fire/earth and water all ames) and that 2012 comes around we'll be fine. Seriously I really would. But the longer they delay this LHC project the more its looking co-incidently like it could tide in with the end of aztec calander and nostradamus's prediction of all life ending on 2012.

last i checked the LHC doesn't generate 4 horsemen.

Does this provide substance to the theory that the higgs boson is coming back from the future?

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/10/is-a-time-travelling-higgs-sab.html

First. it's the mayan calendar not aztec. Second, the mayan calender is cyclic, and 2012 does not indicate the end of the world, it indicates the start of a new "long" cycle. Thirdly, balls.

give me a few minutes ill find the news.com.au link

If you read the first sentence of the article you'll see it's not being shut down until 2012, but being closed for a year from the end of 2011 - 2012.

Gamer you believe that? That's cool,


HOWEVER... maybe you should look into the Aztec calender thing a little more, turns out the 2012 date is kinda wrong, by about 100 years or so thanks to language interpretation mistakes.

So Since the Aztec end of calender (and that is all it is, not an end of world, just the end of cycle, maybe they couldn't be fkd doing any more cycles) date is wrong does that change your fear?

the hard-on collider will kill us all!!!!!!

last i checked the LHC doesn't generate 4 horsemen.

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/LOL.jpg

lol... physics is their anything scarier to the uneducated?

yeah lets all live our lives worrying about what some dude said many years ago?

scared of the LHC? might as well join a religion because you already believe in bulls*** stories

lol 2012.

John Cusack will safe me!!

John Cusack will safe me!!

Lies Jack Bauer will fix it all in less 24hours

All i'm saying is it would be good to see this thing running at full power so we can cross that off the list as something we have to worry about before 2012.

Infact, it'll be good to see 2012 fly past so we dont have to fear all this fear mongering stuff. Although I recon it would be bad to not at least be a little scared considering the accuracy of nostradomas's foresight thus far.

Anyone that says it's a load and they dont beleive in it, thats fine. But for you to say that your not at all worried, i dont get that. You have all this evidence this dude predicted heaps of stuff and he has the worst drawing of all on his last one (not last because he died, but because there was nothing he could see past that point).

Although the doco i watch on the last set of drawings was full of a bunch of people who of course had to interpret each one. Whenever there is interpretation you always goto take it with a grain of salt I recon.

There was a few drawings there that really couldnt have been interpreted any different, aka the two towers burning with some stars wich was meant to represent 2001 according to these interpreters. Just like the sun/solarsystem lining up in the last image is meant to represent 2012 - aka the lining up of the universe or whatever.

I want to be like all you guys that shrug it off, but I would be lying if i said that there isnt a small part of me that buys into the fear a bit and it _may_ be possible.

Then i think if a small part is possible then we could die any day and therefore i would be worried every day and therefore thats stupid and therefore stop thinking about it and party on.

So... if anyone needs me... i'll be out partying...



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we can cross that off the list as something we have to worry about before 2012.

Wait, what? You're keeping a list?

that gamer! what will he get up to next?!?!

bbs, you can find me in my bunker.

But for you to say that your not at all worried, i dont get that

Hah i thought your original nostradamus line was a joke, but you're serious, also pics or lying.

Infact, it'll be good to see 2012 fly past so we dont have to fear all this fear mongering stuff

Just like there were no more "disaster" years predicted after y2k right?

Even Faceman isn't this crazy.

Gamer, moar liek Lamer, amirite?

Yeah since fearing the world ending isnt logical at all.

That's like saying you dont fear death or there is no point feeling pain or seeking medical help to prolong your life because everyone dies eventually.

I think half of you just like sounding tough or dont like talking about how you _feel_ ... only your opinions. Cmon boys, it's okay to cry.

Bunch of hardc0res.

(btw: 10/10 for that gamer->lamer conversion, what genius! ISWYDT and all that)

I'm stocking up on tinned goods now to beat the price hikes. Baked beans, f*** yeah!

Now all I need is a shot gun and ammunition for the inevitable zombie uprising.

I'm stocking up on tinned goods now to beat the price hikes. Baked beans, f*** yeah!
Now all I need is a shot gun and ammunition for the inevitable zombie uprising.

haha

god you're a moron gamer

haha, awesome thread.

also

lol... physics is their anything scarier to the uneducated?

i take it your education didn't include grammar/spelling?

Spoiler:
you f***ers don't deserve correct punctuation/capitalisation.

Yeah since fearing the world ending isnt logical at all.

It isn't logical, because its just one of those one in a bazillion million jillion things that isn't worth even considering. Its nothing like fearing death, death is pretty inevitable, everyone knows they're going to die eventually, but fearing that the world is going to end in 2 years time because some guy hundreds of years ago drew a couple of pictures is just ridiculous. Its like being scared of walking out your front door in case a piano falls on your head.

And even if in some bizarre twist of ironic fate the world actually does come to an end, theres nothing at all you can do about it so stop worrying and just enjoy the ride.

All i'm saying is it would be good to see this thing running at full power so we can cross that off the list as something we have to worry about before 2012.

except that even if the LHC was working fine for the years leading up to 2012, it could still blow the f*** up in 2012 ..

Wow, I hadn't actually read the rest of the thread when I posted, I didn't really how full of crazy it actually was....

There was a few drawings there that really couldnt have been interpreted any different, aka the two towers burning with some stars

Hang on, didn't you say it was castle towers? So now someone has said "Hey, nostradamus drew a picture of a castle burning at night.... HOLY s*** HE PREDICTED TERRORISTS BLOWING UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!" Doesn't that strike you as just a *little* bit of a leap? What if he drew a picture of a harbour with some old Galleons and Man'o'Wars wrecked and burning, would you say he predicted the attack on Pearl Harbour?

What's the chance that they'd delay it until 2012! ZOMG WE ALL DEADS.

But for you to say that your not at all worried, i dont get that.

Worried about what?

I tuned out roughly around the part where you introduced Nostradamus in a scientific discussion about particle physics.

can someone link to these final 12 pictures of nostradamus?

Like Bob Marley said

'Have no fear for atomic energy, none-a them can stop the time'

You have all this evidence this dude predicted heaps of stuff and he has the worst drawing of all on his last one (not last because he died, but because there was nothing he could see past that point).

Nope. No evidence:

How accurate are his predictions? You could fill a library with books claiming to match quatrains with major events in world history — all, of course, deciphered and published after those events occurred. The straight fact is that nobody has ever used Nostradamus' writings to predict a future event in specific terms which later came true. Nobody has ever used Nostradamus' writings to predict a future event in specific terms which later came true. Nobody has ever used Nostradamus' writings to predict a future event in specific terms which later came true.

Emphasis mine.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4066#

enjoy this filthy time bomb post rapture you heathens

Haha I went to quote like 10 gems while reading this thread. Instead I'll just join the luls.

BTW, its this sort of wacky antics is why I don't trust your opinion about anything dude, even if you happen to be right about something its purely coincidental.

The average aussie male lives for less than 30,000 days. I already live my life as if tomorrow will be my last. Worrying about the end of world is looools.

Does anybody know if anyone has ever used Nostradamus' writings to predict a future event in specific terms which later came true?

I cant beleive I have to say this but I will to keep the discussion going (despite all the negativity being flame in my direction)

Fearing the world will end in 2012 is logical because its premature. We all expect to live as long as our bodies can carry us. Most of us don't expect to die in a car accident or by being shot. We expect heart disease or cancer when we're much older.

To fear the world ending in 2012 is natural and all those trying to argue otherwise by saying its 'not logical at all because the world will end one day' are ommiting the massive fact of your personal expectation. Yes, the world will end some day, that day isn't expected to be as near as in TWO YEARS and yes sometimes freak accident happen and people die and that's life but your expectation is that you'll live a long life (longer then 2 years at least).

So anyone saying that its not logical to fear the world MAY end in 2012 (which seams to be everyone except me? - excluding those people trying to get in a cheep dig at how much of a 'bad person' etc etc - protip, you don't HAVE to post in a thread if you don't want to, your postcount is already epic!) I still don't think your argument is ound.

ps. massive props to all those having some fun with this like khel and billy.
pps. typical f*** yous apply to hogfather and the rest of the trolls, keep up the good work, "quick someone on the internet is wrong!" - hehe

It's because you are posting stuff that falls so easily into the 'internet retard' catagory (nostradamus, mayan 2012 thing) and basically people are sick of having to cringe with pity everytime they read it.

Yes of course. The counter argument to that is of course that if the end of the world is foreseen by naustradamas (lolspelling) and the LHC might be the cause (coincidence?) then we DO have control over it.

It's not like it's some asteroid or a super nova that's going to wipe us off the earth (out of our control). It's something that's human made, that - to me - is scary. Why? Because we trust these scientists to understand it enough to say it's safe. If they get it wrong, we've prematurely ended our lives. That's something we can prevent. Now. So that's scary, that we'll be the end of our own lives.

Taking a page from your book - Do you understand that?

It's because you are posting stuff that falls so easily into the 'internet retard' catagory (nostradamus, mayan 2012 thing) and basically people are sick of having to cringe with pity everytime they read it.

Easy fix. Don't post to the thread and let it fall off the front page.

But i guess that would be the smart thing to do and smart isn't something that I would associate with people who complain that certain content exists on a public forum when they help to keep it 'alive' by contributing to it.

I don't think I can say that any clearer for those dumbs***s that are trying to effect me by posting your useless crap remarks. I grew up on the net, your trolls and bulls*** is white noise to the anti-bulls*** section of my brain.

Do you understand that?

No, i have absof***inglutely no idea what you just said.

anti-bulls*** section of my brain.

I think that part was killed when you were dropped on your head as a child.

Easy fix. Don't post to the thread and let it fall off the front page.

Yeah but it's too late, we've already read it.

We may as well have some fun and poke fun at the stupid person posting it. It can be enjoyable to watch them try and defend their ridiculous position.

Because we trust these scientists to understand it enough to say it's safe. If they get it wrong, we've prematurely ended our lives. That's something we can prevent.

Pro-tip: leave the science for grown-ups.

even if you happen to be right about something its purely coincidental.

Yeah the Infinite Monkey Theorem applies here.

can someone link to these final 12 pictures of nostradamus?

Here mate

and...

Here is a quick google result for a counter-argument page to the above posted site to see the flip side. (I haven't been able to read it entirely - goto get my youngling fed and bathed ready for bed)

We may as well have some fun and poke fun at the stupid person posting it.

The exact definition of 4chan or trolling and similar. One day you'll realise your surrounded by idiots with no conversational or intellectual traits to hold a decent conversation with. It's then you will realise that you attract into your world what you put out.

It can be enjoyable to watch them try and defend their ridiculous position.

It's sometimes great to check your opinion by hearing others. That's why we all talk about random s*** on forums.

I think the real thing your trying to identify though is the fact you gain enjoyment at seeing someone put down/flamed and generally trying to derail a forum thread. If that's the case then you should understand that has absolutely no impact on me what so ever, as I said, I'm well aware how internet discussion often works. It's up to the forum moderators to make the decision if they want threads derailed all because someone is trying to amuse themselves.

You seem to think that this subject hasn't been discussed ad nauseum. It has.

wait wait wait
hoggy and billyh are the trolls?

You and I do not have control over the LHC, so why are you in fear? The scientists can fear it because they have control over it (except they don't fear it because there is nothing to fear), but I'd prefer them to RESPECT it, because fear generally makes people irrational, which is when a lot of avoidable mistakes start to occur.

Yeah good point.

While I realise the scientists obviously don't want to die and want to enjoy their fame/wealth from the great experiment they are doing to progress humanity. I'm fearful because I believe their experiment - if they get it wrong would effect the world. Would effect me. So a small portion of uncertainty and doubt arises especially when combined with the Nostradamus stuff that in my mind - the jury is still out on since it's so interpretive.

Not making the decisions for the LHC is probably why the small amount of fear exists. Starting thinking about the possibility of life ending in 2012 and the perhaps coincidental maximum run of the LHC during 2012 and you have tow things that you could dry a very skety conclusion to.

The two of course might be complety unrealted, or they could be related. No one knows. Anyone looking at both the prediction and the timeline of the LHC runup to finalise in 2012 might still be a little fearful.

After all, anything that you don't control and are at the mercy of most people would be fearful. Fear is what drives us as humans. Every time we make a decision we compare the benefit vrs the risk, we make an evaluation to risk or not to risk. When we believe something to be risky I would argu that's because we're fearful of it despite it's great benefits (in this case, understanding our existence and perhaps the universe).

I fear that someone has looked at the benefits and is willing to see past the risks (and heinsite) and bad instead of good may come because of that.

That fear is therefore logical.

(Might be going around in circles haha - sorry about that - that's the best I can do)

You seem to think that this subject hasn't been discussed ad nauseum.

And you seam to think that discussion has a end point.

So what exactly do you think could go wrong with the LHC that could affect all life on Earth?

well if nothing new is being added to it, what exactly is the point of going in circles?

gamer, I wasn't trying to "have some fun with this". The claim that Nostradamus predicted the future has been thoroughly debunked as absolute rubbish. The mayan's predicting the end of the world in 2012 has also been debunked as absolute rubbish. The possibility that the LHC will end the world has also been debunked as absolute rubbish.

Here are two questions for you:

1) If they turn off the LHC for the whole of 2012, what do you expect will bring about the end of the world / wil you still be worried about the world ending?

2) When 2013 swings by and the world hasn't ended as "predicted" (and by the way this doomsday foretelling has happened many times before and didn't come true - big surprise), will you then start planning to panic about some other date in the future when the world will end, or will you realise that it's stupid?

For one, it could spit out thousands of dragons, then we'd all be f***ed.

ps. massive props to all those having some fun with this like khel and billy.

I chuckled

But Zy didn't you see those scientists in the movies and TV shows? They ignore the evidence and claims of certain people and put all our lives at risk for the sake of scientific discovery!

so my reply whenever someone says "The world will end in 201X!" I generally reply with "We'll discuss this in 201X+1".

oh great, way to loophole your way out of discussing it

1) If they turn off the LHC for the whole of 2012, what do you expect will bring about the end of the world / wil you still be worried about the world ending?

If LHC wasnt online during that year I think the world would end a long long long time from now or never during the time we need it/live on it. (we'll find a solution to anything that comes our way - such as an asteroid).

I wouldnt be worried if that were the case because I feel the chance of something happening to end the world are pretty low. - It's feels weird to say that...

2) When 2013 swings by and the world hasn't ended as "predicted" (and by the way this doomsday foretelling has happened many times before and didn't come true - big surprise), will you then start planning to panic about some other date in the future when the world will end, or will you realise that it's stupid?

I suppose I'll realise that it's stupid and hope I wouldn't be fearful again. Once fooled twice shy? (hope i didn't massacre that quote).

Science is all about logical explanation, you'll get a lot of answers from there, whereas those who preach about the end of the world, 2012 and Nostradamus tend to want to sensationalize everything, bring out as many emotions as possible in you, and generally get all the attention they can. Both will talk to you, but which would you rather listen to?

So I'm seeing from what some have written is that your so confident that nostradamus's predictions are fake and that the LHC is being run by such competent bunch of people that you have no fear at all for the year 2012.

You're logic so trumps mine :(

For one, it could spit out thousands of dragons, then we'd all be f***ed.

Well done casa. Never thought of dragons when it came to 2012. Reign Of Fire style? (except with badly acted Van Zan sp?)

various nutbags have really improved the quantity of laughs on qgl lately.
here's to you guys, thanks for being such fruitloops!

If LHC wasnt online during that year I think the world would end a long long long time from now or never during the time we need it/live on it.

Haha, more rubbish. Luckily the laws of physics don't care about what you think or what bulls*** opinions you come up with.

Just because you come up with some random thought/idea doesn't mean it has any merit whatsoever. I think you've gone well over your unsupported speculation quota. Or maybe you're racking up your troll points?

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Now all I need is a shot gun and ammunition for the inevitable zombie uprising

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ARE YOU PREPARED!?

thanks for being such fruitloops!

Thanks man.

Putting aside all arguments of whether Nostradmus was like the guy from Heroes who paints the future, its still entirely illogical and irrational to be fearing the end of the world in 2012. Theres such a remote chance of something happening that could ACTUALLY cause the end of the world, and its so far out of your control if it did happen, that theres really no point at all in wasting time even thinking about it let alone fearing it.

When you start fearing such statistically insignificant things as this, where do you stop? Do you become one of those people too scared to go outside because you might get hit by a car, or killed by a drive by shooting, or blown up in a terrorist attack? I'm sure theres millions of ways every day you could potentially die, but do you fear all of those things? Do you even think about those things?

Nostradmus and Mayan calendars and all the 2012 "End of the world" stuff is entertaining, I enjoy it, I don't put any stock in it, but its one of those things I enjoy reading about as a kind of oddity. But when you let it start actually impacting your life, when you're sitting there genuinely fearing you only have 2 years left to live, you need to maybe re-evaluate stuff. If you geuinely believe it, then don't sit around fearing for the end of the world, put everything you've got into making the next 2 years the most awesome 2 years ever!

2012 "End of the world" stuff is entertaining, I enjoy it, I don't put any stock in it, but its one of those things I enjoy reading about as a kind of oddity.

This.