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Topic: LCD Blur is not really an issue new research
Opec
Posts: 5964
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Since we've got a few TVs thread lately, and one of the point often raised about LCDs is a motion blur. I just found this article on Gizmondo:


Study Claims Motion Blur Is A Non-Issue In Mid-To-High-End LCDs
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/11/study-claims-motion-blur-is-a-non-issue-in-most-mid-to-high-end-lcds/

Actual Page
http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm


Basically DisplayMate concludes that modern mid-high end LCDs don't suffer from motion blur, and people are mostly seeing optical illusions.

Interesting. Now it just needs to improve the price, contrast ratio and viewing angle and it'll be as good as plasmas.
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mission
Posts: 5934
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Now it just needs to improve the price, contrast ratio and viewing angle and it'll be as good as plasmas.


Did he just go there?
Jim
Posts: 10677
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
paging guvna
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16717
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
paging spook
thermite
Posts: 3104
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Motion blur makes video look smoother :/ Who would say it is a negative thing? People deliberately pour lashings of motion blur and Gaussian blur onto their animations so it doesn't look like a bloody video game or something.
FaceMan
Posts: 2087
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I agree with higher prices LCD improves.
Mid-priced ? no.
Then again there are MASSIVE price drops in TVs at the moment.
go buy one !
imitation
Posts: 2864
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just went from a circa 1993 68cm TV to 32" LCD I can't fault the screen at all, but maybe I don't know what I'm looking for?
TicMan
Posts: 5315
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
LCD blur is when Plasma owners finally smack themselves in the face so hard for making a bad decision that their eyes go watery.
tequila
Posts: 3857
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Study Claims Motion Blur Is A Non-Issue In Mid-To-High-End LCDs


translates to
study proves nothing


if they're saying its not an issue in mid-high end, that insinuates that its a problem in low end s***

these days you don't know what you're buying most of the time, the panels are mostly built in the same factories and then shipped off to various suppliers so they can put their own bevel around it

you don't know until you've bought it or read reviews/seen it in action
Spook
Posts: 26843
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
mongo thinks these guys are idiots and dont know televison;

fyi, ive never noticed motion blur on my sony or even my aldi lcd in the bedroom

i watch a lot of afl
tequila
Posts: 3858
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
should just have got a plasma davey, no motion blur ever
don't even have to deny it
Opec
Posts: 5965
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Now it just needs to improve the price, contrast ratio and viewing angle and it'll be as good as plasmas.

Did he just go there?


He most certainly did:

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm

In particular read the bit about the contrast ratio and viewing angle. For the most part these days all you hear about are mostly anecdotal evidence from the Interwebs but these guys actually did it scientifically to avoid subjectivity.

Their whole shoot out series has some very interesting read actually.
Spook
Posts: 26844
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
but i dont want plasma;
i like lcd;

i like how my pc monitor looks, i want my tv to look jsut like that, especially considering i hook up pcs to all of my tvs
mongie
Posts: 6798
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Way to dodge the proof in the post above yours davey :D

Have a read, try not to cry too much :D
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9702
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Motion blur makes video look smoother :/ Who would say it is a negative thing? People deliberately pour lashings of motion blur and Gaussian blur onto their animations so it doesn't look like a bloody video game or something.
Who would say it is a negative thing? Anyone that plays videogames.

For recorded film, motion blur is all well and good, you don't want it when you're gaming at 60FPS though.
Spook
Posts: 26847
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i usually watch my tv straight on, im a genius when it comes to designing my living room, chairs vs television and all that
mongie
Posts: 6799
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
All of the LCD units have a noticeable color shift at less than ±15 degrees, while the Panasonic Plasma is visually indistinguishable from face on viewing well beyond ±45 degrees. This is true for both the measurements and the viewing tests. The significance of this is enormous, because it means that the “sweet spot” for seeing an accurate picture on an LCD HDTV is only one person wide, even for these top-of-the-line models, so essentially everyone looking at an LCD HDTV will see a picture with noticeably different coloration.


Do you also watch your TV by yourself? Anyone else who wants to watch has to get their own LCD and sit STRAIGHT ON!
demon
Posts: 4855
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that's how spook gets people to sit in his lap ;D
tequila
Posts: 3863
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Interesting. Now it just needs to improve the price, contrast ratio and viewing angle and it'll be as good as plasmas.


I'm still lolling
Spook
Posts: 26848
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
im sure lcd owners everywhere are preparing to smash their teles to bits after reading such a bad review on them

i know i am

tequila
Posts: 3866
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
if you're one of the first you should just sell it, take the hit and buy a plasma
the plasma will be cheaper and better anyway
thermite
Posts: 3106
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Who would say it is a negative thing? Anyone that plays videogames.


lol fair enough. I forgot that there are still people who play the computer on their TV like it's 1987.
FaceMan
Posts: 2088
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Plasma sounds a lot cooler than LCD.
Spook
Posts: 26850
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
no it doesnt

plasma sounds like old news
Python
Posts: 351
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
LED TVs own LCDs and Plasmas!
FaceMan
Posts: 2089
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I heard LEDs are cheaper to manufacture but superior technology though they may have shorter lifespan.
tequila
Posts: 3872
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
oh hells yeah, I helped install one a few weeks ago now and the picture quality was off the charts, it felt like you could reach out and grab the objects on the screen

hard to describe the depth perception they create
Saint
Cainer
Posts: 2500
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And they're so thin!
re so
I can't read
Posts: 4856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
30 FPS is all you need
mongie
Posts: 6800
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
fyi - the samsung he looked at was an LED TV
whoop
Posts: 14816
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Now it just needs to improve the price, contrast ratio and viewing angle and it'll be as good as plasmas.

I'm pretty sure this is a troll but if it's not, I can see my LCD tv right up to sitting at 90 degrees to the thing which obviously no TV would be viewable at because you're looking across the screen and not at it.
The GuVna
Posts: 1143
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
paging guvna


I have a CRT TV, an LED TV, CRT monitors, & an LCD monitor.

When these 4 things are in the same room at once, with me, I create a black hole.
tequila
Posts: 3888
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
the viewing angle can't be disputed, its s*** on LCD when you compare it to a plasmas viewing angle
Spook
Posts: 26852
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
plasmas, no1 choice for people who want to sit at an angle to their tv's
Infidel
Posts: 3072
Location: Netherlands
why would you buy a plasma tv anyway?
d[o_0]b
Posts: 3392
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i bet camry drivers are plasma watchers
tequila
Posts: 3915
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
plasmas, no1 choice for people who want to sit at an angle to theirtv's


fixed

I could have also done

plasmas, no1 choice for people who don't want to sit at an anglediriectly in the middle of their tv's

fpot
Posts: 16525
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
^ fail
mongie
Posts: 6803
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
tequila... I dont think they'll ever understand what we're talking about.

They obviously didn't when they got ripped off buying an LCD.

Maybe we should just bask in the perfection of our plasma's and be happy :D
Spook
Posts: 26853
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lols, i hardly think some s***ty small low res old heap of a tele that you can watch from side on is perfection
mission
Posts: 5938
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Maybe we should just bask in the perfection of our plasma's and be happy :D


As long as your happy that it doesn't look as good as LCD, go for it.
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16734
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
So how's that low res LCD from Aldi treating you Spook?
Opec
Posts: 5970
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

lols, i hardly think some s***ty small low res old heap of a tele that you can watch from side on is perfection


Wrong again Plasma technology is actually newer than LCD dude but hey whatever makes you happy Spook :)
tequila
Posts: 3917
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
low res?
my 60" plasma does full 1080p with really nice dark blacks and no blurring :D
Spook
Posts: 26854
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So how's that low res LCD from Aldi treating you Spook?


gah

low res?

was talking about mongies

my 60" plasma does full 1080p with really nice dark blacks and no blurring :D

lucky gold

last edited by Spook at 11:18:51 06/Nov/09
tequila
Posts: 3921
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lifes good
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16737
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
lucky goldstar, it was a brand from the 80's that no one bought if their had brains.

best rebranding ever :D

edit: link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Group

In 1995, so as to better compete in the Western market, the company was renamed "LG", the abbreviation of "Lucky GoldStar". More recently, the company associates its tagline "Life's Good", with the letters LG.


last edited by HeardY at 12:31:13 06/Nov/09
thermite
Posts: 3112
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Lucky Goldstar was founded in 1947 and got into electronics by 1959, rebranded as 'LG' in 1995.
tequila
Posts: 3924
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you can't diss lucky goldstar if you drive a daewoo lol
Some Fat Bastard
Posts: 661
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I have both 50" Plasma and 42" LCD. I prefer the colour on the Plasma. I see no difference in picture resolution quality between the two. If anything I do prefer the plasma when playing games, the colours appear more brilliant.
mongie
Posts: 6804
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Clearly there is nothing wrong with LG.
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16738
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
hahaha teq win, flawless victory!

Spook
Posts: 26856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i do like the davwoo
tequila
Posts: 3936
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I <3 my lucky goldstar
MatchFixa
Posts: 1558
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Gaming looks better on LCD.

Home and away looks better on Plasma.

I'm willing to compromise.




last edited by MatchFixa at 15:34:53 06/Nov/09
Opec
Posts: 5975
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Lg come a long way, I wouldn't hesitate to buy their gear these days. In fact I bought my mum 50" Lg plasma and Blu ray HTB thingo and she loves it and has zero problems. They're pretty competitive when it comes to pricing too so I don't know what you're talking about Spooky.
tequila
Posts: 3938
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
davey has beta-max rage (lcd)

he shoulda bought vhs (plasma)
typo
Posts: 6273
Location: Other International
im a genius when it comes to designing my living room, chairs vs television and all that


If you had to be a genius at something, you might as well be a genius at something totally retarded ... oh, wait that makes a lot of sense in your case.
Spook
Posts: 26857
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
davey has beta-max rage (lcd)


rofls, betamax was the superior product!!!!!
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