Story here but quote from Sankaku Complex which is quite NSFW

A woman who butchered her baby son, eating his brains and other body parts, did so at the devil’s insistence.

The 33-year-old woman, a resident of San Antonio, Texas, gave birth to her son three weeks prior, but motherhood soon gave way to grisly murder. She used a steak knife to stab her son to death, then carved off his head and skinned and gutted the corpse. She apparently also devoured his brains and ate several of his toes.

After finishing her macabre antics she attempted to commit suicide by stabbing herself repeatedly, but was soon hospitalised when police responded, and is now in a stable condition. Her statements to police reveal she may well not have been entirely compos mentis when carrying out the crime; she claims to have heard voices and to have been told by the devil to do away with her child.

Police have charged her with murder, and set her bail at a million dollars. She may face the death penalty if convicted. A motive, other than demonic compulsion, has yet to be established; acquaintances describe her as “a little odd,” but no substantive mental issues appear apparent.

When it comes to bats*** insane new stories like this i'm rarely at a loss for words but this has left me quite dumbstruck. When you do something this severe, why can't they just automaticly put you on death row? You don't deserve a 2nd chance.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. That is f***ing horrific.

That indeed is a f***en horific bit of news (more than the norm)

since when is demonic compulsion a motive?

what a whacko

Religion aye

f***en hell.......
thats messed up beyond help.
wouldnt normally even suggest it, let alone agree with it, but,
surely she goes straight to electric chair?
being texas and all.......

what


the


f***


?

Just mildly... f***ED UP.

...


I got nothing. f*** humans.

Agreed. That is seriously f***ed up.

yer.. kinda loony

Mother Kills, Skins, Guts & Eats Infant.

As you do...

what a bitch

slightly more than "a little odd" imho

daaaaaaayyymmmmeee

It is f***ing ridiculous that in some crimes this heinous the loon gets "not guilty by reason of insanity". Especially when they mention the fact that religion had a part in it. Yet, when they go to court, they have to "swear to God" that they are telling the truth. It's all insane.

Anyway, this article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/28/national/main5192785.shtml talks about postpartum depression being linked to a s***load of infant murders.

At the risk of being crucified on this board, I think the governments here and abroad should being doing more research or offer more support for sufferers of pp depression. As much as I would like this evil bitch to die in a fire, I would much rather NOT seeing little kiddes being eaten or their arms being cut off etc...

btw, it is unknown whether or not this bitch was a sufferer.

What the f***ing f*** s*** f***ing f***?

I blame MasterChef...

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

pretty sure you'd be certain if you threw up in your mouth or not, not one of those things you sit on the fence about :p

Could have been a bit of food repeat, like when you have a sausage roll and you burp a bit back up!

http://www.charliedigital.com/content/binary/comment-friday-damn.jpg

p.s. that site is weird as bat s***, there's another article there titled:

"Incest Necrophilia: Boy Kills Mother & Has Sex with Corpse".

Yeah subscribe me to that s***..

last edited by The Match Fixer at 19:18:45 28/Jul/09

oh no she di-n't!

At the risk of being crucified on this board, I think the governments here and abroad should being doing more research or offer more support for sufferers of pp depression.

How far do we go back? Dealing with the care the mother received when returning home? The care she got in hospital? The birth and what happened? What lead the mother to choose the birth she did? What was she brought up believing in?
What kind of childhood the mother had? How the mother was born?

PND depression rates are rising because intervention rates are rising. Thus preventing women bonding properly with their children. There also seems to be a massive amount of others parenting 'by the book' and failing and becoming depressed about it. You don't need to be a genius to realise this.


That said, PND has nothing to do with this story. No amount of mental illness could ever justify what happened.

Veal long-pig?

Hope the bitch gets locked up for a very long time.

that site is weird as bat s***

Yeah there is a lot of stories on that site about crazy, sick things that people do. Mostly stories out of japan/china/russia

No amount of mental illness could ever justify what happened.

I wouldn't say they justify it, just help to explain what the f*** is going on in someones head to do something like that.

She may face the death penalty if convicted.

Why give her exactly what she wants.

i guess she really wanted those baby back ribs

pretty sure mulims can legally do anything

yeah okay..


you guys made your point.


sorry

what a bitch

That's putting it a little lightly :P

woohoo, that's only an hour away from here!

yeah that is a tad f***ed up alright

PND depression rates are rising because intervention rates are rising. Thus preventing women bonding properly with their children

You got any real evidence to back up this claim Kat? No? Because that's a load of crap.

That said, PND has nothing to do with this story. No amount of mental illness could ever justify what happened

Again, proving your ignorance. This story may well have to do with PND. It may not too. BUT severe PND can present with pervasive psychotic symptoms which include homicidal thoughts, usually about the baby. Obviously this is a horrific, almost incomprehensible crime and mental illness will not justify it, but it may explain it.

Its got nothing to do with religion as such and more likely to do with the fact that the person is probably schizophrenic in the real sense.

Commanding Voice Hallucinations etc. etc.
Adds up, people with schizophrenia do alot of strange things under compulsion to do so/feel like they need to (even if they don't wish to)...

The way I put it, is imagine someone suddenly took you right now, locked you up and told you your entire life is a lie and everything you've done so far is part of an illness, you'd tell them to get f***ed because you believe in who you are/what you've done as reality.
That is what it would be like (in some way) to be schizophrenic in an unwell state.


Persons with a mental illness believe in such things as what this 'mother' has done to the same extent.

People kills themselves because they think they "have to" not because they "want to" with mental illnesses and such as well..

Not that's its 'excusable' or 'makes it right' as such, but yes, unless you've seen alot of/seen alot of things people with mental illnesses have done or spoken with alot, its a difficult to understand how someone could be driven to do such a thing since we have rational, logical thoughts.

(<--- Worked with em for a few years, know a bit about it, seen some pretty F*cked up things/things people have done).

I'm a wee bit tipsy so excuse me if I don't make 100% sense.

as for Post Natal Depression; It's possible, but if people describe the person as 'odd' before hand, without knowing more details etc. it sound smore likely an underlying mental health issue that was exarcebated or at lest presented itself in full, with the stress of a newborn child.

-It's well known that stresses often lead to the recurrance of 'unwellness' with mental health patients.

last edited by Mephz at 00:25:27 29/Jul/09

She specifically described it as the devil, as these sorts of people often do. How can religion not have played a part in this? I've never heard of anyone taking killing orders from their imaginary Charles Darwin.

Well, this is what I'm saying, often with people with a mental illness, those who aren't religious at all, when they become unwell they become highly religious.

It's often because people seek a 'meaning' as to why they are hearing voices and such.

Do a bit of research (not saying that in a condescending way sorry), you'd be surprised just how many people become religious with schizophrenia.
And quite often revert back to non-religious when well.
Even during recurrances people switch back to being religious.

So yeah, it is 'religious' in a sense, but 'religious in a mental illness' sort of way.

It's difficult to understand without seeing it first hand or doing a bit of reading etc. to see how these people get to where they are.

I suppose another way of looking at it, is that people either start hearing voices, or start "believing" something has happened, they start to search for a meaning for it, and it snowballs from there...
It's often seen that people become highly religious when unwell cause its a sort of 'socially acceptable norm' for something that is "unexplainable" (to them).
Other times people come up with other explainations for their delusions such as they are Michael Jackson and have billions of dollars and that's why people are out to kill them etc. etc.

As I said, these people BELIEVE it as much as you believe you are the person who you think/know you are right now.

(sorrry if I'm coming across condescending etc. in any way, not intending it that way at all)

Something else which might help to understand a little:
Broken down to be a bit more simplistic:

The human brain can compensate for 'areas' or lobes that aren't operating as proficiently as they should.
If for example you have two areas, A and B

Neurons A is designated for contemplation of 'hearing', and Neurons B are designated for contemplation of 'sight' (or whatever).

If area A begins to fail or not perform as it should, area "b" can actually compensate and perform area "a's" job, albeit, not as profeciently and not properly like area "a" can.
This is thought to cause things like auditory and visual hallucinations, because that part of the brain is trying to process/interpret signals its not designed to do, but in some part can.
This actually shows on MRI scan/activity in the brain.

Unfortunately it's all somewhat theoretical as its all still largely not understood.

So for these people, parts of their brains are compensating for another part not working 'properly' and doing an incorrect/misinterpreting job of it.

ECT (or electroconvulsive therapy) is also still not understood entirely other than 'it works' and there are many theories on how it does actually work.

Essentially, it 'reset' the neurological pathways in the brain by flooding it with electricity so that each area resumes its correct role (alot of people require 'maintenance ECT' i.e. regular ECT up to 2-3 times a week to keep the brain in check).


I can't remember if this was real or not but:-
I think there was a lab test sometime which had brain cells on a petrie dish control a flight sim?

It was done by learned behaviour through electrical conductivity through the cells to keep the virtual plane in the air through a set flight path.
I.e. when the plane crashed the electricity stopped, when it stayed in the air it got electrical current and the 'links' grew stronger on that pathway.

Regardless of if it was real or not, it would in a theoretical sense explain for mentally unwell patients a similar thing occurs in the brain if you will, so the more contrived and involved a delusion gets, the more it becomes reinforced and that pathway becomes the least resistance I guess you could say.


When you look at it in this way; that mentall illness and what this woman has done as s physical genetic abnormality/predisposition in that, she had no control over it.... Is it right to 'execute' her?
At least lock up/enforce treatment/enforce compliance with treatment once well, if that fails or they're non-compliant then high/max security for life.

It's a difficult one, but there are plenty of people... in Australia (even that I've met) who have committed murder under such pretenses, not wanting to, but believing they had to (e.g. paranoia and belief that their best friend is going to kill them, so have killed them first) who are successfully 'rehabilitated'... at a much less socio-functional level than say you or I... but they most certainly live in the community.

Recreational drugs you are essentially paying to become psychotic.
Ecstacy is more or less becoming Manic,
Marijuana's 'paranoia' side effects being say comparable to some degree to a 'Paranoid' Schizophrenic.

You could say, having a mental illness is like being on a really, really really bad trip that never ends.....
That, is in some part how people end up committing these sorts of acts.

Doesn't diminish the severity of it, but hopefully helps explains the 'why'.

Bit of a wall of text and rambling and I apologise, taking quite the effort to type/write as legibly as possible in current state as is let alone understandable ^_^

last edited by Mephz at 01:19:46 29/Jul/09

And you wrote all that while half drunk...impressive.

A little off topic, but I watched this yesterday and it gives a good insight into the complexity of the mind. Follows on from what Mephz has said.

last edited by Lynx at 01:56:21 29/Jul/09

Why give her exactly what she wants.

hmm good point

yeh

my brother basically had a melt down a couple of years ago, he'd been smoking weed since he was young and then got onto some ice later on aswell (pretty sure he wasn't 100% mentally right in the first place) and yeah eventually went pretty nuts one day we called the ambo's after about 3 days of him doing some pretty random and crazy s*** because we didn't know what else to do and they took him up to prince charles psych ward where he spent 6 weeks and he turned super religious while he was there, he'd been hearing voices etc (before we thought to ring the ambo's my dad went up to the local cop station and all they could suggest was kicking him out of home.. dumbs***s)

when he was released with his meds and s*** he kept it up for a little while after he got out, but eventually subsided back to being pretty much non-religious

Continuing off Paveway, just for completely curiosities sake (This is a little derail but maybe you might find it interesting? Don't read unless interested in the legal processes of how persons get treatment enforced on them [in Australia])

Police can attend to a persons and enact an EEO (Emergency Examination Order) and by force, take a persons to hospital if they believe they are mentally unwell.

Usually police won't respond to such things unless the person is a threat to themselves or others.

Ambo's can't take someone by force but they can refer to the police backup which happens frequently.

Otherwise:-
Any persons not related to another persons can enact a JEO (Justice Examination Order) by tending to their local courthouse and making a written statement detailing why they believe someone is mentally unwell.
Persons undertaking a JEO must have seen the persons in question in the last 72 hours.

If its reasonble; police/amublance will attend.

JEO/EEO places a person under an unendorsed-ITO (Involuntary Treatment Order) which is in effect for 24 hours; this allows them to be held against their will to be assessed and observed and offered treatment, but not enforced.
An R&R (Request and Recommendation is very similar)

Any Psychiatric Registrar can place a person under one of these if they meet criteria.
The Unendorsed ITO can be extended up to 72 hours every 24 hours (requiring assessment before each extension).

Before 72 hours, or before each extension is up, a Psychiatric Consultant must place the person under an Endorsed ITO (or just ITO; Lasting for 6 monthly tribunal panel reviews) if they deem the person mentally unstable/unwell. If not, or if time expires the Order lapses to a voluntary persons and they may leave.
However it does not stop someone placing the person on an R&R the instant they step out the door.
This is essentially a Request (for assessment), made by any persons not related for someone to be examined (staff at a hospital may fill one out), a registrar will then enact a Recommendation (for assessment) - Provided both have seen the person in the last 72 hours.
This just recommences the entire unendorsed process all over again.
The R&R must be enacted by different persons than the first.

This then allows the person to be withheld against their will, and treatment enforced upon them against their will.

Usually, for those who attempt to 'fight' their way out and refuse to take meds, this means being taken down by a lot big guys, followed by a needle of usually either Accuphase [zuclopenthixol acetate], A heavily sedating, oil-based anti-psychotic that'll make people sleep anywhere from 1-2 days =]

Also comes in a 'long acting' form named Zuclopenthixol Decanoate commonly termed a 'Depot' to enforce compliance on people in the community who would otherwise not take tablets or forget to take them and become unwell (and then, not take tablets!). Usually a once weekly injection that psych community staff will go out to a persons house to administer, or bring a person into hospital to be administered.

On top of that, Zyprexa (Olanzapine) injections are also used and quite sedating in Intramuscular form and an anti-psychotic.

In E.D. we used Midazolam, I.V. =]

All up though, I'm relatively glad to have done my term in psych and no longer there. (Been quite some time since I was in psych. so my knowledge may be a little rusty or omitting a relevant point here or there)

Too many revolving doors of people who would get well, just take drugs again and/or believe they are 'cured' and stop taking meds and just wind up back in hospital again.
People just don't learn after they've been bitten 10 times to stop petting the dog :)

Being sober today, had a quick read over what I read last night, I think I got the general idea of what I was trying to get across :)

last edited by Mephz at 11:13:19 29/Jul/09

Shouldn't be able to force anyone to take anything.

What a f***ed up world.

I read that article yesterday in relation to this story and I couldn't believe it... She better not get off on the mental illness clause! Voices in her head made her do it, similiar story to the John Lennon killer!

Was reading that the cops who went through the house didn't even speak as too traumatised from the whole thing. I'd be exactly the same personally.

Shouldn't be able to force anyone to take anything.

What a f***ed up world.

You would rather people kill themselves/others instead?

I've seen plenty of high functioning (uni students/business persons etc) had treatment forced on them when they were unwell.
They get well, continue to take medications and return to a normal life as it was before the illness.

Where before hand they had become disheveled, failing university/work through lack of concentration or engrossment in delusions, wandering streets at odd hours, saying things to random people that could end up with them being beaten/stabbed/easily robbed, some people attempt suicide etc.

In those cases, why is enforcing treatment wrong when the person is not in any cognitive state to make a decision, especially when some of them afterward are thankful they received help before they could hurt themselves?

It's much like the guardianship act if you are absolutely blind/smashed drunk and require hospitalisation for a broken tib/fib.
You'll be deemed incapable of making a formed decision due to intoxication and taken/held anyway.

Once your sober, if you don't wish to get your leg repaired, you have the right to discharge A.M.A.

The only difference is, with mental health patients, they lack the capacity to decide until they are well, and once well, it's sort of like cancer, it takes awhile before people can come off meds without getting unwell again (some people need to remain on them indefinately)...

So... why is it wrong to enforce treatment on persons lacking capacity who are a threat to themselves or others?
(The threat part is a major ballplayer in whether someone will get locked up or not).

last edited by Mephz at 11:22:39 29/Jul/09

yeah when we rang 000, the cops rocked up aswell with the ambos

but just going up to the cop station they were completely f***ing useless

my brother is on seroquel

last edited by paveway at 11:26:37 29/Jul/09

Squirrel Kill is it's favoured name :)
But yeah quetiapine/seroquel, know it well.

How long has your brother been well for now?
Has he had any discussions with his Registrar about trialling off the meds/how did he go if so?
(Presuming he still has to go to the clinic every so often, also assuming he has a case worker who calls/visits every so often as well?)


last edited by Mephz at 11:35:05 29/Jul/09

before we thought to ring the ambo's my dad went up to the local cop station and all they could suggest was kicking him out of home.. dumbs***s

What the f*** is going on? This is about the 4th time this week ive heard about terrible care shown by police officers.

Anyways, I've been in the same situation as you Pave. My little brother was (maybe still is) a heavy weed user and had a massive break down. He was caught in possession and ever since he is pretty much okay (the police in this case were pretty awesome), but it has definately left some of his personality questionable.

I'm in a similar situation to paveway. Brother went off the deep end due to amphetamine abuse.

It if wasn't for the meds he takes, things would be a lot lot worse.

he's been back once for a week, he still smokes weed all the time and is basically a deads*** doing nothing, though i think he's about to do some tafe course to do with becoming a chef, we'll see how he goes with school type stuff seeing as he didn't even finish year 10

when he went back was when he had another go at the ice, that seems to really f*** with him. he actually said to my parents he's not right, the voices are back wasn't long after they took him back themselves

so no there are no plans to take him off it yet i don't think, not while he's still smoking weed

last edited by paveway at 12:27:37 29/Jul/09

I've known you only a few months over the internet paveway, and already I am hearing voices and abusing drugs.

um, do you get wafers with it ?

yeah i think you'll find i'm not the only one here that thinks you've been on some rad s*** for alot longer than you've been on qgl

lol people have been accusing me of being on drugs ever since I was a kid. Every job I've had, every group of friends, even my family is constantly making remarks.

f***ing people. Such stunted dim wits.

last edited by thermite at 12:49:48 29/Jul/09

yeah everyone around you for most of your life are stunted dim wits

of course.

lol people have been accusing me of being on drugs ever since I was a kid. Every job I've had, every group of friends, even my family is constantly making remarks.

I for one, am stunned that you're not. What a revelation woo.

nice try paveway, unfortunatly it's blatantly clear that people are a lot less intelligent than me. I am forever being commended for my exceeding brilliance when in situations where it can be measured - but in situations where it cannot be measured and there are very opinionated people (like school principles, teachers, police, QGL fags), I am constantly hearing comments like: "Are you on crack?", "You're such a smart guy - but I don't understand why you're so wrong about the stuff I disagree with you on". Face. Palm.

you seem to pretty consistently miss read/comprehend what someone/what a thread is about

and then still don't get it when like 5 people have given you s***

you so smaert

I am very Intellect.

you will find in life that 95% of people you encounter are retarded. it's just one of the burdens of being intellectually superior, you get used to it.

Thermite seems to have a bit of a bloated sense of self and self importance :)

This is the Internet...

paveway that doesn't count because you people are dishonest, poor communicators, and I tend to come here when I'm drunk or s***ted off with whatever I'm actually meant to be doing. Or... I do understand and the conversation has gone to a level you aren't aware of.

like a super saiyan ?

wait... stop talking about me in a thread about an insane woman.

this was f***ed i was eating dinner when i saw this thread title on the main page. fark.

I love kids too but I can't eat a whole one

try one of those new mini-melts.

Baby's are just regular sized people whittled down for convenience.

She should've just claimed "Coyote ate my baby!"

Who wouldn't believe that?