sorry about the news.com.au link but thought it was worth a post

story here

Thanks for the link, I will add it to my bucket of links for safe keeping.

A 22-year-old British man who became an alcoholic as a teenager has died after doctors refused to give him a liver transplant.

Gary Reinbach began binge drinking when he was just 13 and ended up with severe cirrhosis of the liver.

He was admitted to a London hospital in May but died after doctors refused to give him a liver transplant amid fears he would not stay sober for six months after the operation.

Its usually normal to include a quote from the article in your OP...

Respek.

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Word.

Excel.

i wonder how many boxes of wine a week he could drink, because i can drink quite a few

i wonder how many boxes of wine a week he could drink, because i can drink quite a few

You're not dead from drinking yet, you've got alot of catching up to do ok

So a guy dies, like a lot of people do every day. In a way a lot of people do every day. And he gets his name in the newspapers?

Oh that's right, because his death was a result of his behaviour and people get a chance to shift the blame to someone else

its pretty obvious if the evil doctors had given him a new liver, he would still be alive

Stupid guy dies. Newsworthy? Probably not. But at least it's not more swine flu or master chef hype.

Newsworthy?

Only because the doctors said NO LIVER FOR YOU!

It's not his fault, his DNA makeup made him more pre-disposed to become an alcho!

PowerPoint.

better raise taxes on pre-mixed drinks

It's NOT newsworthy. Hence the repost on news dot com dot au <-- no free links to your s***ty site from me

Its usually normal to include a quote from the article in your OP...

Yes, that would've been nice. Thanks 3dee.

Suck s*** to him. The bleeding hearts will be onto it like a tonne of bricks though xD

master chef was awesome

wish poh had won though

how the f*** did julie win;

yer, im a poh fan as well, id like to see some of her naked modeling

Julie shouldn't have got as far as she did....rigged to get the 'Mum' cook book out there.

Her sweat added all the salt the dishes needed (the ones that she actually finished and didn't f*** up).

I blame videogames

yeah i'm amazed at how she got through with so many half assed unfinished dishes

that pie challenge should have been the end of her

Yes, that would've been nice. Thanks 3dee.

Your velcome.

Clearly a result of Julie's undeserved win.

f*** oath. Sympathy vote much?

I used to love Masterchef :(

Obviously Justine should have won, the show lost all credibility the second you could see the judges wearing ear pieces. Therefore it should have been a hotness competition only.

better raise taxes on pre-mixed drinks

better have an enquiry.

a future summit!

Clearly the Govt needs to step in for cases such as this.. i propose some sort of regulatory body tasked with making sure those who damage themselves and are able receive health care are monitored to ensure they remain as healthy as the rest of society its the only fair way to go about it..

Everyone deserves a chance to be healthy regardless of their actions previously, you don't just forfeit your right to life because you grow up in a dodgy part of town and to ordinary parents who don't instill the correct standards in you

*gag*

Wrong Boxhead.

Long waiting lists for organ transplants means that only those whom can be trusted not to waste their 2nd chance should get the operation.

Same goes for triple heart bypass whatevers. Smokers should forfeit that right.

This IS news, if only because it raises the important ethical issue that Boxhead has commented on - the concept of "self-induced disease". To what extent should someone with a "self-induced" disease such as alcoholic liver disease be treated? Should they be placed lower down on organ transplant lists than someone with, say, an autoimmune liver disease? Do they have equal right to subsidised health care?

As an interesting aside, in MY personal experience, those patients with self-induced problems tend to be the most difficult to deal with within the public health system. They often seem to be the least appreciative of our efforts. This, I suppose, most often pertains to people with alcohol-induced disease, who probably have pre-existing personality issues relating to the nature of their vice anyway.

Well it also begs the question of what's more important, what caused the problem in the first place (ie, do you deserve a new one), or what will you do with it after you get it (ie, can you be trusted not to waste a new one).

Yes, that's right. And that's why an important consideration of someone's suitability for organ transplantation is liklihood they will be compliant with treatment post-operatively, including taking the anti-rejection meds, abstaining from behaviours detrimental to the new organ (drinking for liver, smoking for lung) etc.

The guy drank him self to death, heaps do it daily, its not news worthy.

Not many people do it by 22 years of age.

NO GARY NO GARY NO GARY NO!

not quite box, i'd be pretty pissed off as someone who will need a new liver in the next few years, if this c*** got one and someone else missed out as a result

livers are always under supplied and over demanded, I have cirrhosis of the liver but I'm not an alcoholic - just unlucky
if it came down to two people wanting the same liver, tough s*** to the wanker who abuses alcohol basically

Why are all you young people talking about master chef, why the f*** would you watch that pathetic excuse for a tv show.

He prolly had a lot of good times in that short life.
I doubt he drunk to have a bad time.
23 or 103 all life is equal.

I see a time in the near future where all bodies are recycled.
The living should be allowed to plunder the dead.
I know one thing, nobody will be gettin' my Liver.

He prolly had a lot of good times in that short life.
I doubt he drunk to have a bad time.

you don't know much about alcoholism faceman

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Yeah I'd like to see some sort of Government overview of this sort of situation. Not just of the end result but of the series of events that lead up to this horrible circumstance. As a tax paying citizen I want to know that my Government has my best interests in mind regardless of who's going to get the most benefit out of something. I mean sure, Poh will be successful without the win and Julie has an easier to sell image but we as Australians should be protected from travesties like that.

Can you be a Binge drinker yet not an Alcoholic ?
Many kinds of Alcoholic. Its a broad term.

i thought it was part of a doctor's creedo to save lives as long as no harm comes to anyone, regardless of other conditions? someone decides to set a arbitrary lifestyle level & if you don't match up you don't get care... that blows imo.

the argument was the liver could benefit someone else -more- than the guy who is probably going to keep drinking

so it would be doing harm to the other person, lesser of two evils

if there was 2 (or more) people, dying, competing for the same liver, at exactly the same time... then that argument has merit. if it's 'we might hold onto this liver till a better class of person comes along' & they let someone die... then that blows imo.

The list of patients waiting for compatible donors is as long as your arm. It is now, and always will be, the argument that someone else right now can make better use of it.

maybe in your fantasy land where it's ok to just stay dumb stuff without actually knowing faceman!

referring to the definition of the word is a decent start though:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alcoholism

I am pretty confident he didn't destroy his liver by binge drinking on occasion.

Alcoholism requires routine frequent abuse of alcohol, so that the liver never is able to regenerate.

The technical question though is: if you were an alcoholic, are you still an alcoholic? Is alcoholism defined by your behaviour or your predisposition (i.e. genetic make up)?

Binge drinking is pretty much an Australian pasttime. That along with prostitution and gambling, of course.

Scarcity of resources means that the organs go where they will do the most good. There is a huge list so they don't 'save' them.

Lots of things rule you out as a recipient, some of them not your own fault.

Its just the way it has to be while we have so few donors.

i hear you can buy chinese prisoner organs pretty cheap... nuff baksheesh & a prisoner mysteriously dies & thier organs become available.

we need to be farming pig organs and then everyone can be saved to drink another day

250k for a liver demon

seriously

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

Alcoholism is a term with multiple and sometimes conflicting definitions. In common and historic usage, alcoholism refers to any condition that results in the continued consumption of alcoholic beverages, despite health problems and negative social consequences.

Many kinds.

Could negative social consequences involve repeated and increasing instances of public ridicule due to profound misunderstanding of medical terms? do you drink a lot of alcohol, faceman?

You could be alcoholic.

Seen Leaving Les Vegas a few times.
Not gonna go out that way.

By the way i Am a Keyboard Dr.

I'll indulge your failure to grasp the simple process of understanding that paragraph faceman (not to mention glossing over the rest of it), and ask you: how does what you're saying support your theory that this guy must only have drunk the amount of alcohol he drunk, with the objective of having a good time?

You would have to be pretty depressed to ingest so much alcohol over the years that you annihilate your liver.

Not many people would think destroying your liver to the point of death would be a good time.

He would have been sick many times before it got to that point, there would have been plenty of warning from his body that s*** is getting worse.

If you want to get all emotional over Alcoholism then thats your choice.
I dont feel any pity for Alcys.
They do it for their own pleasure.

Should have got Dr Phil to help him out.
He pretty good at telling Alcys what they need to hear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Yeh alcoholics aren't exactly party animals, fyiyf.

Dont be f***in dissin masterchef you f***

So was there a trail to decide this, was there a judge involved? Was there any official discussion or argument about this? Or was the decision made by this a******:

http://dontfierme.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kelso.jpg

In scrubs that decision was made by turk! It won over cox's heart <3

His parents don't deserve to cry for him. A boozer from 13, nice work.

totally agree with this comment.

parents just trying to find someone else to blame for their f*** up. No its not the doctors fault, because they wont give ur son another liver, its ur f***in fault for letting him get to that state.

organ donation decisions are made by a committee aren't they?