Last night (well 3AM AEST today) was the Apple keynote at the WWDC 2009 and they've announced some pretty cool upgrades for the iPhone. Looks like the Palm Pre is probably going to be second best after all (IMO). From TUAW:

It's no big surprise, and John Gruber even got the name right.

Apple announced the new iPhone 3G S today, featuring faster processor speed, built-in video capture and editing, voice dialing and voice command, built-in compass, and of course it will be running iPhone 3.0. There's a much better camera in the iPhone 3G S as well. Here are the details:

Price (new): 16GB -- US$199, 32GB -- US$299
Capacity: 16GB or 32GB
Case color: Black or White
Dimensions: 4.5 inches x 2.4 inches x 0.48 inches (115.5 mm x 62.1 mm x 12.3 mm), 4.8 oz. (135 gms)
Camera / Video:
3 megapixels
Autofocus
Tap to focus
Video recording, VGA up to 30 fps with audio
Photo and video geotagging
iPhone and third-party application integration
Cellular and Wireless:
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Location:
Assisted GPS
Digital compass
Wi-Fi
Cellular
Power and Battery
Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery
Charging via USB to computer system or power adapter
Talk Time: 3G - Up to 5 hours, 2G - Up to 12 hours
Standby time: Up to 300 hours
Internet use: Up to 5 hours on 3G, Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi
Video playback: Up to 10 hours
Audio playback: Up to 30 hours
More pricing information and details will be posted shortly here on TUAW.

The phone itself looks pretty much the same as you can see. I can't say Telstra would have any upgrade deal, but who knows...

I can probably say that anyone who was on the fence about getting one probably won't have much trouble in making a decision now.. promoted forum item

Engadget has a comparison between the 3G and 3G S, but the main differences are:

- New 32GB model available
- Faster CPU
- 3.0 megapixel camera, with video recording capability
- maximum 7.2Mbps HSDPA (up from 3.6)

I must say as a 3G owner, I'm not upset or feel like I should upgrade. I think it seems like a minor revision, and I guess Apple does too given the model name.

I must say as a 3G owner, I'm not upset or feel like I should upgrade. I think it seems like a minor revision, and I guess Apple does too given the model name.

I won't be upgrading as it wouldn't be cheap for me, but I sure would like the upgrades, especially the fast CPU and video recording.

I'm downloading the GM build (I think this is RC in Apple speak) of the beta firmware to see what else there is for existing 3G users.

I wonder if the voice command is available for all iPhones (it should be).

EDIT: Yeah its not :'(

last edited by 3dee at 08:20:41 09/Jun/09

Wow looks great. So video capture isn't supported by the 3.0 upgrade on the older phones? I'm tempted to upgrade to the 32gig just for more memory....

I would have at least hoped for a 5mp camera.. 3mp is like 10 year ago technology.. Wonder from packages optus will do..

To be honest, the camera on 2/3G are pretty shocking for video (as seen in Cycorder jailbreak app).

This is quite a good upgrade, but I'm wondering if Telstra (if any of them) will have any sorta upgrade deal, which I highly doubt.

I am going to get an iphone when I come home, do you honestly need the 32gb??

In terms of the ipod functionality, how's the sound quality? I assume it's the same as a stand alone ipod?

I wonder if vodafone will have the new model as soon as it's released.

The news.com.au article (link) says they've sold over 1 billion apps through the app store and over 40 million iphones globally, they sure have sold an assload!

last edited by HeardY at 08:29:57 09/Jun/09

Damo, the 2mp camera is bloody good in well lit conditions. 3mp is morethan anyone needs on phone.

Heardy, sound quality is amazing compared to older model iPods. Everytime I listen to music on mates' phones I want to throw up it's so bad.

Warning to anyone thinking about buying a new iPhone: you will have to use iTunes. Get over it BEFORE you purchase.

Yes, in well lit conditions.. what about in barely lit conditions. I tend to take quite a few photos at concerts when I can't use my Dslr, would like some decent photos to keep of band playing, not black photos of nothing.

the 2mp camera is bloody good in well lit conditions.

It's OK in good light, but not great.

It seems that this 3.0MP camera will at least be better quality, disregarding resolution, as the 30fps video recording requires a decent camera. The current 2MP camera SUCKS for video.

Well I would have guessed that it depends on how still you can hold the camera, regardless of the megapixels?

Well I would have guessed that it depends on how still you can hold the camera, regardless of the megapixels?

Yeah, I'm talking about the sensor speed. It blurs like a mofo and its prolly not even capable of decent looking 5fps video, so I can't imagine it this camera being any good for video (which it isn't).

Sounds good but I'll wait until a phone contract comes up early next year - there's nothing in the S that I want so badly that I'd pay extra above the contract for.

I'm much more interested in turn-by-turn Navigation from the likes of Tom Tom or Garmin - and that should work for anyone with a 3.0 if it gets through the App Store. If Apple continues to cockblock on this I'm gonna just JB and install xGPS.

do you honestly need the 32gb??

I have a 16gig 3G phone. I've had the hard drive pretty full but only because I had loaded about a dozen full length movies for the kids to watch in the car.

I'd prob go for the 32 gig next time round, just cause its there.

last edited by E.T. at 09:03:21 09/Jun/09

^Ditto RE storage. I have about 8 gig worth of music, then a few gig of movies and bam it's full. With 32gig I could have pretty much all the music I listen to, plus at least a half-dozen of movies, which would mean that I'd only ever have to use iTunes to change s*** around once a week. At the moment I swap media over every couple of days at the most.

BL to all the suckers on 24 month contracts.

I'm much more interested in turn-by-turn Navigation from the likes of Tom Tom or Garmin - and that should work for anyone with a 3.0 if it gets through the App Store.

Check out the mount you'll be able to buy for it. Apparently increases the GPS signal or something _/(o_o)\_

http://iphone.tomtom.com/

I would have at least hoped for a 5mp camera.. 3mp is like 10 year ago technology..

Don't really see the point of a high megapixel count.

Would prefer a more sensitive sensor.

BL to all the suckers on 24 month contracts.

T_T

Where can we see the list of things that the 3.0 update will bring to the 3G?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/

Thanks exo, and when can we expect to see the update via iTunes?

time to upgrade wifey's contract and do a swapsy

June 17th is OS 3.0.

Also, I hate when people cry about photo resolution. HIGHER RESOLUTION MEANS NOTHING IF ITS A s*** HOLE SENSOR

I use this analogy to explain the megapixel vs sensor: Imagine you are displaying a picture on a wall using a projector. You can make that picture bigger by simply moving the projector back, but that does not increase the quality of the picture. On the other hand, you could get a better projector, and when you use it from a greater distance you can see more detail.

now the hardest question... who should i go with optus or vodafone??

Pretty much.

If anybody wants to watch the keynote stream its available here:
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu

I have the 16gb and it does me fine. I hold 1-2 tv series on it and have about 5gb of music. It's never been more than 80% full. Got a few webcasts as well. 32 gb may be needed if u want to keep s*** on there u never ever use and take A LOT of video at 30fps

Apps and other data are insignificant

a 350mb tv show is about 240mb when converted for iPhone

All I need is the 1-2Mb for Flight Control (DAMN YOU STUPID HELICOPTERS) and about 5Gb for music.

iPhone 3.0 looks brilliant - can't wait for this to arrive in my iTunes downloader.

I am going to get an iphone when I come home, do you honestly need the 32gb??

Depends if you like using a phone like a iPod shuffle I guess. I only have an 8gig iPhone so I keep my 80gig iPod around just so I can carry a fair bit of music around with me. If you're cool with updating the playlist on the iPhone fairly often and don't mind the "mannnn I really wanna hear that song but can't" then get the 16 instead of the 32.

N97 will dominate!

My HTC Dream is still sexier.

Android is just too sleek.

Neat, still no camera flash.

Looks good, a nice update for iPhone 3G. Still, I don't care for it, Win Mo does me just fine. The only thing that I wish my Omnia has is the friggin Next G compatibility, which iPhone has..... Other than that meh.

when the n97 coming out?

I haven't really followed iPhones much, but is the pricing basically you now get a 16GB at the old 8GB price-point and 32GB at the 16GB price?

So when the f*** is v3 coming

n97 is starting to dribble out now. you just have to ferret around.

HTC touch diamond 2 is out.. which i might be getting in a few weeks

The new iPhone 3GS looks good. I'm interested in a new phone so will be investigating options/prices when it's released in a few weeks.

I haven't really followed iPhones much, but is the pricing basically you now get a 16GB at the old 8GB price-point and 32GB at the 16GB price?

There's no Australian pricing yet, but yes - in America iPhone 3G was launched last year on 24month contract at $199/$299 for 8GB/16GB , so they've kept the same price points for 3GS and doubled the SSD size.

New Macbooks look good

Now I need to break this one somehow :/

n97 is starting to dribble out now. you just have to ferret around.

Feature wise yes it's got everything including the kitchen sink and more but...I hate to say it but Nokia's Symbian platform is just stale, it's got UI and usability from the early 2000.....

I've seen video reviews of N97 was so frustrated as hell just to watch the sales chick demoing the unit... It just look so clunky to use... Seriously, even Win mo IMO, has better usability than Symbian.... and it's many light years behind iPhone OS.

I had an E65 once and the operating system would often spend noticable amounts of time painting the GUI... O_O

The Palm Pre does look interesting, any word of an Australian release date yet?

We're having issues with the new software and Exchange when using certificates for authentication...

I hate to say it but Nokia's Symbian platform is just stale

Symbian is going open source. And a new version is due out soon I believe.

Symbian is going open source. And a new version is due out soon I believe.

Should be good, anything is better than the current progress of development. I used to be hardcore Nokia fan but it's hard for me to do so the past few years....

I just want Visual Voicemail in Australia without having to swap over to Vodafone (because they're s***e)

I will be upgrading, simply because I bought mine outright and I'm sick to death of pre-paid
It's time to go back on a plan, but only 12 months - none of this 24 month crap

I recharged with optus two weeks ago ($40) and within 72 hours it was 100% gone
I rang up to find out why, turns out if I don't put at least $50 per month on my phone I only get 10mb of data usage and they charge me $1.20 per SIXTY KILOBYTES OR PART THERE OF?!@!@!@ WTF

needless to say, I was pissed because it was a legacy plan and they said "just by saying you want to swap to <PlanX> you will get the same amount of calls + 100mb/month or what evs

I also just spent the long weekend on moreton and had no reception from the port of brisbane when I left until I got back into the port of brisbane
wouldn't bother me normally except I had to ring the old man on Sunday to say Happy b'day - mate with Telstra had full speed 3g internets

/rant

f*** optus, f*** vodafone

The Palm Pre does look interesting, any word of an Australian release date yet?

Gotta wait for the announcement of a GSM/UMTS version first.

check this for a rort. i lost my n96 which was on contract so switched my blackberry over to optus onto their $79 plan. within 2 weeks i had racked up about $180 in data charges (30mb), simply because i didn't denote one of their data plans. with telstra you can use third party aps unlimited however not so with optus and i got caught out.

i had to fight my way through to someone who put me on a $10/month data plan for 200mb, and got a credit for all the excess charges

Watch out for those Optus data scams cos they're terrible.

yeh i would be with telstra in an instant but they dont have capped plans... Telstra pricing is just rediculous!!!

My HTC Dream is still sexier.

Android is just too sleek.

< Jealous.

check this for a rort. i lost my n96 which was on contract so switched my blackberry over to optus onto their $79 plan. within 2 weeks i had racked up about $180 in data charges (30mb), simply because i didn't denote one of their data plans. with telstra you can use third party aps unlimited however not so with optus and i got caught out.

i had to fight my way through to someone who put me on a $10/month data plan for 200mb, and got a credit for all the excess charges

Watch out for those Optus data scams cos they're terrible.

Vodafone did this too, except they tried to charge me $20/mb LOL

I also just spent the long weekend on moreton and had no reception from the port of brisbane when I left until I got back into the port of brisbane
wouldn't bother me normally except I had to ring the old man on Sunday to say Happy b'day - mate with Telstra had full speed 3g internets

I'm with Telstra and I get frustrated without Next G.... I used to be able to get a solid call and intratubes access from just about everywhere on my Next G handset but, now it's touch and go in some places (even at my place) with their normal 3G network. Still I get more coverage than my friends who are with 3/Vodafone/Optus... The next handset will have to have the Next G network compatibility...

yeah there was 5 iphones camping with us and the only one that worked was Telstra
I think telstra have a tower somewhere on the island

I would consider going with them if they didn't charge exuberant rates for data

We got some symbian phones at work last week. the whole signed application thing is a headache. We are trying to install nokia intellisync and it's complaining about the nokia certificates!!!!

I think telstra have a tower somewhere on the island

3 have a tower over there too - hsdpa worked well at tangalooma anyway. With the voda/3 merger I'd be suprised if 3 didn't get the 3gs.

but yeah, definitely looking forward to os 3.0, and my girlfriend's been holding off getting a 3g for a few months on the hope of this hardware bump, so looking forward to seeing how much faster it is too.

I hope virginmobile aren't arses about tethering.

So when does the new phone come out? Or did I browse over it?

So when does the new phone come out?

June 26 is our date for the new hardware;
June 17 is when the iPhone OS 3.0 update is due for existing iphones.

even if your carrier is a jew about tethering (apple allow providers to enable/disable it) you could probably just get around it by jail breaking

AT&T in the US arent going to allow tethering afaik, but seriously - you're just pissing people off by doing this
charging them $99 to active tethering is a jewish money grubbing whore act

even if your carrier is a jew about tethering (apple allow providers to enable/disable it) you could probably just get around it by jail breaking

running the 3.0 beta and tethering runs beautifully.

If my carrier decides to not allow tethering, I'll just keep running the beta :)

I don't really get the thing about "OMG THIS PHONE HAS A HIGHER MP CAMERA THEN THAT PHONE" thing. I'd prefer a good quality CCD and lens over a high MP camera, but then I have an SLR for if I want a decent shot anyway.

It's a multi-purpose device.

watched the tour vid. i so want one now :/

I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...

I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...

turns out apple know what features are actually important to spend effort on then hey? lucky you weren't at apple and led them to build another n95. totally baited :(hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe
ehehheheheheheheh

yeah the mp thing is silly, sensor size is where it's at.. which in any small device is going to be tiny right? so more mp = noisier photos that take up more space.

edit: use of copypaste

last edited by Farseeker at 10:09:49 10/Jun/09

it's easier to just reply like this Farseeker.

I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe
ehehheheheheheheh

PS. I haven't missed MMS ever, and I think I've missed copy and paste once so far.

But yea, you're right lol. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheehehehehehe amazing os compared to vista rite
heheheheheheheheheheheheh

I miss copy and paste all the time. Depends what you use the phone for I guess? If you do like I'm doing right now and post on forums with the phone the lack of clipboard us obvious and jarring.

There's a ton of stupid little things that irk me about the iPhone's setup, as though they didn't think very hard about usability beyond the very nice touch interface. It's a very nice piece of kit, but I think I'll be more carefully looking to see what the win mo guys are doing next time before jumping onto the iPhone wagon. There is a LOT of do-it-our-way you have to swallow.

I don't SMS pretty much at all, don't really notice not having copy and paste much either. That said I would reallllly like both to be available heh.

Yes, the excess data cottage industry. Thankfully I think we can make enough noise nowadays (Intertubes) to push back on that!

Another one to watch out for are those automated SMS services; they can individually be steep and rack up over time and since it's a 3rd party service (but with most of the $$ eventually going back to the carrier) the phone monkeys generally can't do anything about it.

I never missed copy & paste either. But now that i have it (beta) I use it alot!

So the OS 3.0 gold master from wwdc is on the tubes.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5284779/iphone-os-30-now-available-in-torrent-tested-it-works

I recommend that everyone just relaxes and waits for the official release.

Yeh well I'm bad at that.

Installing the above firmware now, watch this space for a rant in 10 minutes about how I f***ed up my phone :)

+1

its less than two weeks away, I'm happy to wait
do want the new hardware though

I can wait for the offical release.

I just got google calendars to sync to my iphone, and groupwise to sync to google.
v8 of Groupwise is going to have ActiveSync.... ie. native iphone support!

have they enabled MMS or bluetooth'ing files to other phones on this update?

How'd it go Hogfather?

have they enabled MMS or bluetooth'ing files to other phones on this update?

I believe they have enabled MMS, don't think they have bluetooth though. I'm sure there's a list in one of the links posted though.

Worked fine! I used one from TPB.

Just sent and received a test MMS, the pic in the message bubble is kind of funky. Landscape email is much, much nicer. The apps I've tried are all working OK. I think I like the way they do text selection for copy and paste.

Trying to get an early 8.2 iTunes now so I can make tethering work. The latest one from Apple won't let you install ipcc files!

Edit: woo got an 8.2.0.10 iTunes and now tethering is working, bluetooth and USB.

last edited by Hogfather at 22:32:31 10/Jun/09

I had beta 5 crash on me the other day. I could still type on the keyboard even though i couldn't see it, because i am really good.



I missed copy/paste before it was included. I've used it several times on the beta it works very well.

Looking forward to the full release but i got s*** on at the moment so will wait for it officially (though apple servers will probably get overloaded).

GM seems to have fixed that issue. I had that a lot.

I missed copy/paste before it was included. I've used it several times on the beta it works very well.

yeh the select mechanic will take some getting used to but at least it's functional :)

yeh the select mechanic will take some getting used to but at least it's functional :)

What's difficult about it? Press and hold then adjust.

Oh, did I say it was difficult? Nope.

There are some quirks mostly tied up with page structures and HTML blocks. It also fails to "copy" images from safari when they are inside a link - I tend to get the URL instead, and there's no option to choose URL or image.

When using two finger zoom it sometimes goes into text select mode.

last edited by Hogfather at 08:55:10 11/Jun/09

Yeah sometimes its a bit funny with the granularity of selectable areas in HTML. But hey, I reckon its a very easy way of copy/pasting on a phone. Mainly cause it doesn't involve pulling up "option" menus and whatnot.

Yeh, I guess I was expecting to just be able to swipe my finger across some text, then hold the selection to choose cut-copy-paste the way you select in Win Mo. I guess it wasn't possible using fat finger controls?

It works very well on pages designed for mobile devices - news.com.au for example (just for trog) is very easy to select hunks oof text.

I find the select tools awkward and cramped in the landscape mode editor, and I manage to hit done or the top bar a lot instead of the pop-up menus. This is purely because in landscape mode screen real estate is given to keys over text.

Unfortunately (at least on my device) once you go into landscape mode editing, Safari stops recognising changes in the accelerometer and won't go back to portrait mode without hitting the home button and returning. It would be much better if I could easily swing between portrait and landscape mode while in the Safari editor as it does in Email.

last edited by Hogfather at 09:21:18 11/Jun/09

Yeh, I guess I was expecting to just be able to swipe my finger across some text, then hold the selection to choose cut-copy-paste the way you select in Win Mo. I guess it wasn't possible using fat finger controls?

The problem with just swiping is that swiping is already assigned to scrolling so they couldn't have just gone with that.

Unfortunately (at least on my device) once you go into landscape mode editing, Safari stops recognising changes in the accelerometer and won't go back to portrait mode without hitting the home button and returning

Hmmm, it should go back to portrait but also it won't rotate while in editing. You have to close the keyboard first then roll to portrait or landscape

Yeh you shouldn't have to hit the home button. Just close the keyboard and rotate.

Weird, Safari must have been messing with me - once i had the keyboard open it locked to that alignment this morning. Being nicer now, but still need to close the keyboard, hopefully they'll make it so the keyboard reacts itself.

3dee, you said its possible in 3.0 to add multiple pics to an email in a thread a while back - is this just a copy paste thing?

3dee, you said its possible in 3.0 to add multiple pics to an email in a thread a while back - is this just a copy paste thing?

Yeah. Go into photos, hit action button and tap multiple images then hit copy and then in mail paste them in.

Hogfather - go into your gallery, press the share button in the bottom left corner (without choosing anything first). Then tap the pictures you want to send and press the "Share" button, and choose email.

I did the GM upgrade last night afterall. Unfortunately i lost all my media. Otherwise all good so far

Unboxing

If you didn't know the 3G S has a "anti-fingerprint" anti scratch coating now.

Does it have a native document reader yet???

Hardware specs of 3G S

	iPhone 3G (ARM11)	iPhone 3GS (ARM Cortex A8)
Manufacturing Process	90nm	65nm
Architecture	In-Order	In-Order
Issue Width	1-issue	2-issue
Pipeline Depth	8-stage	13-stage
Clock Speed	412MHz	600MHz
L1 Cache Size	16KB I-Cache + 16KB D-Cache	32KB I-Cache + 32KB D-Cache
L2 Cache Size	N/A	256KB

The combination of higher clock speeds, more cache and a dual-issue front end results in a much faster processor. Apple claims the real world performance of the iPhone 3GS can be up to 2x faster than the iPhone 3G, and I believe that’s quite feasible.

Thanks guys :)

my problem is do i get white or black??

Once you go bla... oh wait, wrong thread.

I can't understand why it doesn't have Zoom in and Zoom out for the camera. Autofocus is great, but it doesn't even have zoom. even a cheap $100 phone has camera zoom.

Anyway,here is a 13 minute video that gives a guided tour of the new iPhone 3GS here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aQpczZC00

It doesn't have zoom because zoom does NOTHING when its digital. It just crops the image. Digital zoom is BAD. The iPhone would be bigger if they tried to fit in optical zoom.

I can't understand why it doesn't have Zoom in and Zoom out for the camera. Autofocus is great, but it doesn't even have zoom. even a cheap $100 phone has camera zoom.

Anyway, here is a 13 minute video that gives a guided tour of the new iPhone 3GS here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aQpczZC00

this is the one on apple's website - http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/

digital zoom = crop. 'Camera Zoom' is a pretty good app that does this.

My HTC Dream is still sexier.

You're kidding me !@?

And 256MB of RAM up from 128MB 3dee

It doesn't have a zoom ... because its a f***ing phone ya twat

Go buy a camera if you want good photos.

ps. my camera won't send SMSs

hey

does anyone know anything about the so called "Assisted GPS". Even optus states on their website the new 3.0 OS update has it. If so, (such as the tom tom application) what would be the pricing?

ps. if you a phone with a good camera buy a sony ericsson

If they do then Optus is stupid.

A-GPS has been around since iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 2.0 was launched. Essentially even the iPhone 2G has A-GPS, just without the GPS part since A-GPS uses cell towers to help triangulate position.

GPS generally requires clear overhead view (ie doesn't work indoors) and often takes quite a while to get a lock on your position.

Assisted GPS uses the mobile phone towers to work out an approximate location to use until GPS determines your exact location.

one thing I had with sony ericsson that i miss with the iphone is the radio.. sometimes I have enough of mp3's and wanna listen to some radio, particularly the triple j talk shows.

There's a Nova streaming radio app, maybe JJJ will do one too.

yeah got the nova one, but it has to be open, can't minimise to do other things.

=\ That blow

digital zoom = crop

Not crop, just interpolation.

But yes, you get no extra detail/information out of the scene you are capturing.

Not crop, just interpolation.

But yes, you get no extra detail/information out of the scene you are capturing.

Well yeah, but some do a crop, some just resize a cropped area. Either way it looks BAD :P

So tomorrow's the big day.

Apparently, Apple stores will be selling the 3GS Outright and Unlocked as reported in this thread on Whirlpool http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1228756&p=1 with some details on http://www.apple.com/au/retail/iphone/

Priced at:
16GB – $879
32GB – $1049

For those not near Robina we'll have to wait for it to be available online.

One of the better new features that I didn't hear about anywhere is the adjustment to the scrub feature. Before, when scrolling the time bar while watching a movie or something, the timing would jump by huge amounts at a time. Now, you can start the scrub, then drag your finger down teh screen so that the scrub adjustments get finer and finer. Really good for movies and podcasts.

can you buy the iphone outright off their site or only from a store?

edit: bah cant see anywhere to buy it on the site.

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I had beta 5 crash on me the other day. I could still type on the keyboard even though i couldn't see it, because i am really good.

lol @ search results natslovR; 2 girls 1 cup :-P I refuse to even think about watching that.

I am still without a solid internet/app based phone. Going strong with the W880i, no need to change yet really. If the HDD was 120GB or something I would change for sure because I could get rid of the WD Passport I carry around.

I'm guessing Apple are still being c***s and not letting us use the devic as external HDD?

Ayup.

It would need a driver since the file system is HFS+.

Oh noes a driver. Unpossible then.

How about letting us mount is as a network share? There's heaps of f***ing options!

last edited by Hogfather at 08:49:40 26/Jun/09

There's a heap of apps that allow you to FTP into it.

But the driver requirement could be a problem as you'd need it on every computer you plug it into.

Yeh like the 80 meg software you need to install to do ANYTHING with it on a computer?

WTF 3dee, haha!

WTF 3dee, haha!

Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).

As much I'd like to use my iPhone as a bit of storage, I don't want to have to cart around a driver. You don't have this problem with flash storage and hard drivers since they're just plain old NTFS filesystems.

Sounds like you want a link something like http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-ways-to-turn-your-iphone-into-an-external-hard-disk/

I've used the 3rd party apps to put data onto my iPhone via wifi and it works really well, but I just don't trust those apps as a reliable backup solution. Too many stories about things getting wiped with updates etc.

Thanks for that link Raisty, but those solutions are pretty dirty.

Pretty much :)

I think the most useable solution is to use a wifi app to keep iPhone browser on your phone. That way you can copy/run it from any pc you have wifi with

But yes, it isnt perfect by any means

Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).

Again - so what? The device is useless by design without iTunes installed.

So just bundle the f***ing driver with iTunes. Yeh you won't be able to use it on random terminals but it would be a billion percent better than no file access at all.

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/3gs.jpg

it was worth it just because its that much faster


last edited by tequila at 09:33:20 26/Jun/09

There's numerous threads about yellow colour temperature, cracking, lock ups and a borked accelerometer.

Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).

Huh? You would have it with you? On the iPhone dah, plug it in, driver installs... Pretty much like any other phone you can use as a modem or mass storage device.

Huh? You would have it with you? On the iPhone dah, plug it in, driver installs... Pretty much like any other phone you can use as a modem or mass storage device.

The iPhone doesn't use a Windows-visible file system. It uses Max OS X's HFS file system which Windows can't even see letalone read.

Try iPhoneBrowser. I'm downloading it now and seeing if it works with my 3.0 3G.

I can confirm it works. You might need to copy the 8.2 iTunesMobileDevice.dll (file version from C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin into the iPhoneBrowser folder for iPhoneBrowser to be able to detect 3.0 iPhone.

And then you can access your iPhone as an HDD from just your home PC?

Teq, please tell me you wernt one of the sad little people I saw outside the telstra shop at 7am this morning in the city :P

No, he was one of the sad tall people you saw.

I want to upgrade to the new 3Gs but my contract doesn't end till January.. I rang them and told me I would have to pay $325 or something to upgrade now... any ideas?? I'm with optarse.

Do you have to give back your old handset? If not, that sounds like it's pretty reasonable? You'd essentially be buying the handset for $325, plus whatever extra cost of the monthly fee.

Sounds about right. You *are* on a contract and are obligated to pay the contract out.

I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile.

yeah I thought it was reasonable, just thought I'd check.. last time I upgraded, I had like 4 months left on my contract and told them that if they wouldn't let me upgrade there and then without fees, I would go to Telstra.. next day I get a phone call from Optus and said it was ok to upgrade.. not liking my chances for 6 months left though...

Yeh and I mentioned earlier in this thread that Optus take an extremely hard line approach in negotioting for the iPhones - they won't bend on the contract or fees, but after a lot of haggling I managed to get two months of charges free.

are they out now to collect from optus stores?

billy, how did you get that?

I'm thinking of getting 49 with 14.99 net..all i can afford

Teq, please tell me you wernt one of the sad little people I saw outside the telstra shop at 7am this morning in the city :P

Hell no! ... I was there at midnight :P

we got out of the movies at 11.50pm and I figured what the hey, I'll have an iPhone
I sold my old 3G on Wednesday for $560 so I needed a new one :D

Do you have to give back your old handset? If not, that sounds like it's pretty reasonable? You'd essentially be buying the handset for $325, plus whatever extra cost of the monthly fee.

See above - sell your existing one if you want upgrade loving

I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile

it is noticeably faster

I sold my old 3G on Wednesday for $560 so I needed a new one :D

Nice one.

I would like the upgrade but I'm not going to. Not worth the money atm, not to mention the Telstra contract :/

I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile.

They're already available, have been for over a week.

Aparently mobile YouTube has increased by 400% since the 3GS was released on the 19th.

last edited by 3dee at 11:08:23 26/Jun/09

we got out of the movies at 11.50pm and I figured what the hey, I'll have an iPhone

actually, he "needed" to get the phone at MIDNIGHT so he decided to go to the movies and made sure he picked a movie that got out just before midnight

he was dressed in a big foam rubber apple costume.

haha, hater

Totaly wasn't worth the wait, If I had of known there was going to be that many people I would have just gone in next week or something

I did score some free swag though - car charger, screen protector, crystal case, beanie, scarf, free coffee & food while waiting in line etc

But you wore a big apple foam suit right? Pics man, that's awesome.

I'm just hanging out for someone's hand-me-down 3G, so give me a bell if anyone upgrading has one in good nick & going cheap.

Unlikely Dan, although the reason I sold mine before today was because I figure the price will drop rapidly after the new one comes out

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=190314999582

I expect there'll be a lot of upgraders, especially if Apple open's up their buy it outright option to online sales.

oh of course, i just meant the 'cheap' bit
i wouldn't call $500~ cheap

but then again, I probably got very lucky to get that price for it

how much you wanna pay for my iphone 3g?? 16GB Black, almost like new condition.. I have a hard case protecting the back and a zagg screen protector so no scratches anywhere... never put it in pocket with keys, lives on his own :) mind you it's in a hell of a lot better condition than what tequila posted there too...


edit: oh am I allowed to sell here?

last edited by Martz at 11:38:17 26/Jun/09

Well it's cheap when you look at the outright prices. Planning to wait a couple of weeks then hoping I can pick one up sub $300. 16GB would be nice, but I'd be fine with 8. Most important is that it's in decent condition and provider unlocked.

how to provider unlock?? I got my iphone with Optus, so I assume it's locked to optus?

I don't have one obviously, but from a brief look around I found this on whirlpool

Free on Post-Paid, must have recharged a minimum of $80 on Pre-Paid (which essentially makes that free too as it's all credit you can use, not a fee you pay for the unlocking)

I'm just gonna O/C this one. I reckon I can get it to 800mhz on air ez

optus unlock for free
telstra charge $150 even if you buy it outright (a mate got stung by this)

Good to know teq

How do I get optus to unlock it, is there an online link ?

I had to ring up and ask, speaking of just got my Apple care upsell offer for my iPhone.

yeah just call cust service and they do it, takes about 10 days last i checked

Interestingly the 10 day wait is entirely artificial, there's no reason for it as far as I can see.

Because we're on a business plan they unlocked my iPhone overnight.

Also:

How to turn off annoying auto-backup in iTunes. See notes in the comments for Vista / win7 prefs file location. Works well.

last edited by Hogfather at 12:50:04 26/Jun/09

Waiting for the 64Gb version here. Hopefully this recession farks off so that next years upgrade will include more storage.

32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?

32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?

its not just a phone, or so all the fanboys keep telling me

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

not particularly tied to recent posts but f***ing hilarious anyway

32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?

It'd be nice to completely integrate the music and phone aspects.

how much is the 3gs in USA?? like $199USd, and we have to pay over $1k outright, suckmycockkthxbai.

how much is the 3gs in USA?? like $199USd, and we have to pay over $1k outright, suckmycockkthxbai.

No, that's $199usd upfront on a plan.

That US price isn't outright either, that's their 2 year contract price.

I dont have 32gb of music i'd listen to regularly enough that i want to carry it around at all times
right now on my new 32gb model i've only got 5 albums im listening to

i've used less than 1gb ..

ahh my bad

I paid 199 euros for my 32 gb 3gs on 2 year tmobile plan .... feel like an idiot falling in that trap

woman just got sms'd with an early upgrade offer for the 3Gs don't have to pay early upgrade fee's etc (she still has 6months left in her current contract)

booyah!

What's the choices you get for upgrading?

I can't log into my account to see what it says..

if i get an iphone, will it catch on fire?

its not an r32 four door, so no

teq, you should do some nerd thingo so that your sig counts down :O

turns out i broke the forum because the sig length doesn't allow for my full iframe :(

got the 3gs on the weekend.. awesome phone, very fast and f***ing love the video camera...

Apple silent on claims new iPhone is overheating.

also

PC World reports iPhone faults


last edited by infi at 04:08:28 30/Jun/09

teq, I think the thread keeps reloading every second too fkn lol

teq broke the internets

Looks like it will be a good idea waiting til my contract is over and hence a new iPhone 10G.

it shouldn't reload the entire thread
if it does, your browser is doing it wrong

it just keeps reloading the page like i'm hitting f5 constantly

your browsers are teh suck, firefox/chrome/opera don't do it
so you must use ie, which means you fail

My firefox looked as if it was reloading the page every seconded, but it was quite quick about it.

Yeh it was refreshing the iframe and doing that click click click s***.

You suck at teh webdevs teq!

Apple silent on claims new iPhone is overheating.

also

PC World reports iPhone faults ?

nothing out of the ordinary with mine so far.

While I have unlimited data on my tmobile iphone, i cant tether it or make skype calls over 3g. the latter understandable though. Is it the same in Aus?

you can now buy an unlocked iphone off the apple store site.

Hell yes ravn0s!

a mate of mine left his phone outside on a table (under cover) while it was raiing, the rain seeped through his roof and dropped directly onto the iphone

wouldn't turn on so i put it in a bowl full of rice and put it in the oven
got it out and it turned on no worries but gave him an error saying "warning the device is too hot"

i lol'd

also, i am loving the compass feature when using google maps

infidel; just download the carrier pack for tmobile to enable tethering
its bulls*** that they try and charge you to use your device as a modem

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/19/complete-how-to-tethering-an-iphone-with-30-firmware/

etc, just google till you find the right one
optus tried to block me from tethering too but they can pretty much DIAF

http://richardlai.xanga.com/704930537/enable-tethering-on-iphone-30---too-easy-worldwide-carriers/ ^^

http://www.three.com.au -> July 17th for 3's iPhone launch.

I wish they'd announce their plans already

You & me both. Then I can figure out if I'll just buy one outright or not :)

also, i am loving the compass feature when using google maps

what the?? please explain.

edit: oh shows which way you facing, pretty friggen cool huh?!?1

last edited by Martz at 17:03:36 02/Jul/09

You & me both. Then I can figure out if I'll just buy one outright or not :)

Me three. But I'm leaning towards buying from Apple as it comes unlocked.

I bought mine from optus, rang up and they unlocked it for free

Teq you've got an S yeah? I wouuld like to compare your 3G connectivity speeds and see if there is any real difference between them.

If you are in the valley and tethered, can you do a speedtest for me, and post results??

3GS jailbreak is out in the wild.

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-make-it-ra1n.html

I can't tether it to any machines here so I just did it from the phone

Wifi Test:

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed01.jpg

3Gs 3G (Optus, Fortitude Valley) Test #1

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed02.jpg

3Gs 3G (Optus, Fortitude Valley) Test #2

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed03.jpg

How does that compare to the 3G model?

I bought mine from optus, rang up and they unlocked it for free

But you're on an Optus Plan yeah?

Yeah that is a fair bit quicker

How do you take screenshots???

home button and the top button at the same time

how does it compare? not really sure tbh
using my old 3G iphone with the lappy (via tethering) before Origin Game II was working just fine

I was staying in a hotel at Blacktown (far western Sydney) and it was as good as using wifi internets

I'm on an optus plan yes

By the way, if anyone's wondering how to Force Quit in 3.0, you hold the lock button down until Shut Down comes up then hold Home (by itself) for six or so seconds and it'll kill the app.

This is because holding Home button is now assigned to Voice Control (in 3GS).

I don't want to Force Quit 3dee so why would I waste time learning?

Because everyone should know how to force quit. Its such a simple task. You shouldnt be using an iphone if u cant force quit jmr.

These are mine, I guess 3G connections in the netherlands on tmobile isnt that great ... im in the city centre of amsterdam

wifi
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9562/img0069.png

3g on my 3gs
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2170/img0070.png

from bulimba:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~joekool/IMG_0063.PNG

Anyone see the .jpg flying around a few days ago of what looks like a 3 employee taking a photo of a document with the iphone plans? Has it been posted here? I'll try and find it.

the 3 iphone plans came out yesterday



last edited by ravn0s at 22:31:21 14/Jul/09

http://www.numbersinaflash.com/iphone-plans-comparison-calcul/

ppl might find that useful.

Calculator to find which provider is best for you.

My ipod touch just got stolen - is anyone upgrading to an iphone and looking to sell their touch? Only bought mine 8 months ago, so I realllly don't want to have to fork out for a new one already.

That sucks sparrow:/ Why not consider upgrading to an iPhone?

RE 3.0 software, I have found my iPhone to be running extremely sluggish lately... :(

meh no doubt i won't be able to upgrade my current contract and i'm not paying $40 a month extra on top of my current plan

i'm into the 15th month of my current contract

and i'm not ringing the c***s because it rages me when i get someone that can't speak english

That sucks sparrow:/ Why not consider upgrading to an iPhone?

RE 3.0 software, I have found my iPhone to be running extremely sluggish lately... :(

I have no need for a new phone - and I definitely wouldn't want to buy it overseas anyway. I want something to read on for the next few months over here.

Pave, I work at 3 mate - PM me your mobile and I'll check out pricing for you on Monday.

That calculator is awesome.

3 seems the best bet for me which is good since I'm already with them. The phones must be really over priced to buy outright, costs $1k from the Apple store for the phone or $1400~ over a $49 24 month contract with 3. Paying $400 or so for 2 years worth of phone and data isn't bad.

Well the iPhone in its market isn't overpriced. An N97 will cost you similar. In fact, most smartphones have always costed upwards of 800-1000 bucks.

and I definitely wouldn't want to buy it overseas anyway.

Buy it from Australia's Apple Store online.

This is getting really unbearable - so f***ing laggy, and 3G is now really slow with Optus. I'm even considering downgrading to 2.0 again.

im three and i am pretty happy with the service

3G is now really slow with Optus.

There's your problem.

Whats vodafone like ? Thinking of moving from 3 too vodafone

This is getting really unbearable - so f***ing laggy, and 3G is now really slow with Optus. I'm even considering downgrading to 2.0 again.

Remember 1.x? That was quick. 3.0 is finally a great operating system, but its just too slow for the previous gen hardware.

3.0 is finally a great operating system, but its just too slow for the previous gen hardware

This is just a ridiculous cop out - what changes tweaks have been made with the OS that should impact general performance?

The OS patch was released for the hardware. According to your ever-glowing statements about how f***ing wonderful everything is when Apple controls both hardware and software it should 'just work'!

Actually, I didn't upgrade my carrier settings until this morning. Maybe that will affect the overall speed??

This is just a ridiculous cop out - what changes tweaks have been made with the OS that should impact general performance?

The OS patch was released for the hardware. According to your ever-glowing statements about how f***ing wonderful everything is when Apple controls both hardware and software it should 'just work'!

It does just work fool. Its just slower coz compared to the original 3G firmware there's a lot more stuff in it which can bog it down after lots of general use. Think of the difference between Vista and XP. You run Vista on the same computer as XP and Vista uses more memory, more CPU etc.

Simple as pie. 3.0 requires more resources than 2.0, which was the same as 1.0 to 2.0. 3G has limited resources (128MB for EVERYTHING including video memory etc).

It does just work fool. Its just slower coz compared to the original 3G firmware there's a lot more stuff in it which can bog it down after lots of general use. Think of the difference between Vista and XP. You run Vista on the same computer as XP and Vista uses more memory, more CPU etc.

Haha 3dee, it is a copout. You are CONSTANTLY going on about the fact that Apple ties its hardware to the software, and controls the entire shebang which is why its so bloody wonderful and everything is awesome in the land of Steve Jobs.

Newsflash dude, Vista is not INTENDED to run on all computers that XP was released to run on. There are a new set of recommended hardware minimums.

OS3.0 is INTENDED to run on iPhone series 1 and 3G. It was written specifically for these devices, and released through the Store as an upgrade. Where was the performance degradation warning that you are running it on an out of date device? The SMALL amount of change in the OS should not degrade performance if Apple have any idea what they are doing.

The Vista-XP comparison is nowehere near relevant at all. You're reaching for straws and failing.

Also how does the OS get 'bogged down' after lots of general use? Apple took the easy way out and killed apps when they are closed rather than let them run in the background. Are you implying that there is an OS-level memory leak? If so see point above about knowing what they are doing.

last edited by Hogfather at 10:59:34 20/Jul/09

watch out hoggy, you just punched 3dee, RIGHT IN THE FEELINGS

hahaha spook.

PS. Optus are doing another stock clearence. iPhone 3G 16gig for $0 upfront on a $49 plan.

Yeah but who would want an old 3G that isn't even designed to run the latest OS version?

Yeah deadly, who would?!

Yeh they do need to add a disclaimer about it running dogs*** slow if you upgrade the old, s***ty clearance stock to the latest firmware. Took me (no exagerration) ten seconds to open f***ing SMS this morning.

How come I can't have the excellent basic phone features added with 3.0 without the bloat that only runs well on the 3GS? Is this a ploy to make people want to upgrade?

If "just works" includes "works but is f***ing slow and annoying" I can see why the it just works! Apple crowd are happy with iTunes, the slowest software on the planet.

last edited by Hogfather at 14:11:26 20/Jul/09

Yeh they do need to add a disclaimer about it running dogs*** slow if you upgrade the old, s***ty clearance stock to the latest firmware. Took me (no exagerration) ten seconds to open f***ing SMS this morning.

I've got an original gen 1 iPhone and iPhone 3G both running 3.0. They both have issues opening SMS but only when I've got a lot of messages on the phone and from what I can tell that's more the way it stores them in it's internal file database which causes the slowdown.

Do you mean upgrade as in upgrade to new firmware or upgrade as in restore to new firmware? Everything that I've ever done with an iphone has pretty much said "Don't upgrade it'll leave you with problems, restore"

It's actually quite funny, while I alternate between jailbroken and non jailbroken on average I've had to restore my phone every 2 months or so and reboot on a fairly regular basis - have apple created the ultimate Windows phone? I do screw around with them a bit, but still.

you keep changing from jail broken to normal and back, what do you expect?

Your mother?

Hoggy, I agree with you completely (minus just a little bit of rage).

Pretty much the only new feature I find useful is the cut and paste, but even that I use rarely. It would be nice to be able to cut and paste without every app running like a slow f***er.

I might try a full restore tonight and see if that cleans it up a bit.

Anyone got an issue with their iPhone not auto connecting to the home wifi any more? I'm sure it was doing it straight after 3.0 came out but the last week or two I have to manually go into settings and select my network and re-enter the password every time I want to use the home internet on it.

Kinda frustrating.

Hoggy, I agree with you completely (minus just a little bit of rage).

Hah! I re-read my posts sometimes an hour later and realise that anything criticising my Apple products is a massive rant. I don't know why but I start talking about the problems with them and I get heaps e-angry.

See me in person though and I will wax lyrical about how much I love my phone. I think its 3dee's fault somehow, dude is my trigger. I see him spout something direct from the Apple Bulls*** Manual and I see e-red.

True story, brb getting dragons.

I think the iPhone is revolutionary... **watches behind bushes**

Hey peeps i just got an I Phone today and was wondering what sort of cases you lot are using ( and where did you get it ) ???


PS love the phone ))

yer i just got mine today as well and was wondering about cases too. also can anyone recommend some useful apps?

I'm just using a Belkin clear thingo whatever its called. Protects the screen good enough. I hate cases on already big phones. Like a tuma in yo pocket.

cases are for f*****s that want their super-sleek iphones to be clunky, oversized and ugly. get a bodyguardz, here's the AU distributor: http://www.scratchproofcovers.com.au/

you don't need a cover, and don't spoil your phone.

I did mine and my mrs's, no problems. I look after mine but hers floats around in her filthy handbag with keys, coins and other s*** bouncing off it all day - no problem.

Here's the official site, http://www.bodyguardz.com I just followed the videos on there and installed it no problem.

last edited by natslovR at 21:50:39 20/Jul/09

yer i just mainly what something to protect it from scratches etc. ill check out that site.

Yeah mine's like that but its only the screen.

i got one of these, luv it, dropped it and didnt break

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/slider-case-cl59031

isnt the 3gs scratchproof? mine seems to be

Nah it has an oleophobic coating (i.e. fingerprint-less or close).

Nah it has an oleophobic coating (i.e. fingerprint-less or close).

not sure about that because mines covered with fingerprints.

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/slider-case-cl59031

looks a winner but they only ship to US addresses.

edit: can buy the case off the apple store site :)

last edited by ravn0s at 08:11:42 21/Jul/09

I use a rebel case. Its half hard plastic half soft (silicone)
Clicky
(exactly that one)

Hey Ravy i found the rebel cases at http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=854_859 if you are interested im getting one they looks sweet.

oh you are right, the back of my 3gs already has quite a few scratches :) but luckily screen is still ok

thinking i might go this case:

SwitchEasy RebelSerpent 3G iPhone Case

edit: thanks for that site rev. the cases are $10 cheaper from them.

last edited by ravn0s at 19:16:42 21/Jul/09

thanks for that site rev. the cases are $10 cheaper from them.

PCGear hit you with more expensive shipping though. However, I think it still works out cheaper by a few dollars. I'm not sure though, you'll have to work it out. I bought mine from ebay this morning with a free gift :) - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370221735545

Yer it ended up being about $5 cheaper with 1-2 days postage instead of 5-7 with the other mob.

I dont get you people hey, buy a sleek beautifully industrially designed phone, then stick an ugly as f***ing s*** case on it

Just buy insurance, and use it like the tool that it is

I am sure if you bought a nice looking car you wouldn't stick bumper panels on the whole car incase you hit someone parking - you would probably just claim on your insurance if it was bad enough to annoy you

Or one of those car bra things.