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Topic: iPhone 3G S and iPhone 3.0 Updates
3dee
Posts: 3622
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Last night (well 3AM AEST today) was the Apple keynote at the WWDC 2009 and they've announced some pretty cool upgrades for the iPhone. Looks like the Palm Pre is probably going to be second best after all (IMO). From TUAW:
It's no big surprise, and John Gruber even got the name right.

Apple announced the new iPhone 3G S today, featuring faster processor speed, built-in video capture and editing, voice dialing and voice command, built-in compass, and of course it will be running iPhone 3.0. There's a much better camera in the iPhone 3G S as well. Here are the details:

Price (new): 16GB -- US$199, 32GB -- US$299
Capacity: 16GB or 32GB
Case color: Black or White
Dimensions: 4.5 inches x 2.4 inches x 0.48 inches (115.5 mm x 62.1 mm x 12.3 mm), 4.8 oz. (135 gms)
Camera / Video:
3 megapixels
Autofocus
Tap to focus
Video recording, VGA up to 30 fps with audio
Photo and video geotagging
iPhone and third-party application integration
Cellular and Wireless:
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Location:
Assisted GPS
Digital compass
Wi-Fi
Cellular
Power and Battery
Built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery
Charging via USB to computer system or power adapter
Talk Time: 3G - Up to 5 hours, 2G - Up to 12 hours
Standby time: Up to 300 hours
Internet use: Up to 5 hours on 3G, Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi
Video playback: Up to 10 hours
Audio playback: Up to 30 hours
More pricing information and details will be posted shortly here on TUAW.
The phone itself looks pretty much the same as you can see. I can't say Telstra would have any upgrade deal, but who knows...

I can probably say that anyone who was on the fence about getting one probably won't have much trouble in making a decision now.. promoted forum item
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Nathan
Posts: 3162
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

Engadget has a comparison between the 3G and 3G S, but the main differences are:

- New 32GB model available
- Faster CPU
- 3.0 megapixel camera, with video recording capability
- maximum 7.2Mbps HSDPA (up from 3.6)

I must say as a 3G owner, I'm not upset or feel like I should upgrade. I think it seems like a minor revision, and I guess Apple does too given the model name.
3dee
Posts: 3623
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I must say as a 3G owner, I'm not upset or feel like I should upgrade. I think it seems like a minor revision, and I guess Apple does too given the model name.

I won't be upgrading as it wouldn't be cheap for me, but I sure would like the upgrades, especially the fast CPU and video recording.

I'm downloading the GM build (I think this is RC in Apple speak) of the beta firmware to see what else there is for existing 3G users.

I wonder if the voice command is available for all iPhones (it should be).

EDIT: Yeah its not :'(

last edited by 3dee at 08:20:41 09/Jun/09
BillyHardball
Posts: 9162
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Wow looks great. So video capture isn't supported by the 3.0 upgrade on the older phones? I'm tempted to upgrade to the 32gig just for more memory....
Damo
Posts: 3721
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I would have at least hoped for a 5mp camera.. 3mp is like 10 year ago technology.. Wonder from packages optus will do..
3dee
Posts: 3624
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
To be honest, the camera on 2/3G are pretty shocking for video (as seen in Cycorder jailbreak app).

This is quite a good upgrade, but I'm wondering if Telstra (if any of them) will have any sorta upgrade deal, which I highly doubt.
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16182
Location: Ireland
I am going to get an iphone when I come home, do you honestly need the 32gb??

In terms of the ipod functionality, how's the sound quality? I assume it's the same as a stand alone ipod?

I wonder if vodafone will have the new model as soon as it's released.

The news.com.au article (link) says they've sold over 1 billion apps through the app store and over 40 million iphones globally, they sure have sold an assload!

last edited by HeardY at 08:29:57 09/Jun/09
BillyHardball
Posts: 9163
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Damo, the 2mp camera is bloody good in well lit conditions. 3mp is morethan anyone needs on phone.

Heardy, sound quality is amazing compared to older model iPods. Everytime I listen to music on mates' phones I want to throw up it's so bad.

Warning to anyone thinking about buying a new iPhone: you will have to use iTunes. Get over it BEFORE you purchase.
Damo
Posts: 3722
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yes, in well lit conditions.. what about in barely lit conditions. I tend to take quite a few photos at concerts when I can't use my Dslr, would like some decent photos to keep of band playing, not black photos of nothing.
3dee
Posts: 3625
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
the 2mp camera is bloody good in well lit conditions.

It's OK in good light, but not great.

It seems that this 3.0MP camera will at least be better quality, disregarding resolution, as the 30fps video recording requires a decent camera. The current 2MP camera SUCKS for video.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9164
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well I would have guessed that it depends on how still you can hold the camera, regardless of the megapixels?
3dee
Posts: 3626
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well I would have guessed that it depends on how still you can hold the camera, regardless of the megapixels?

Yeah, I'm talking about the sensor speed. It blurs like a mofo and its prolly not even capable of decent looking 5fps video, so I can't imagine it this camera being any good for video (which it isn't).
Hogfather
Posts: 2906
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Sounds good but I'll wait until a phone contract comes up early next year - there's nothing in the S that I want so badly that I'd pay extra above the contract for.

I'm much more interested in turn-by-turn Navigation from the likes of Tom Tom or Garmin - and that should work for anyone with a 3.0 if it gets through the App Store. If Apple continues to cockblock on this I'm gonna just JB and install xGPS.
E.T.
Posts: 1924
Location: Queensland
do you honestly need the 32gb??


I have a 16gig 3G phone. I've had the hard drive pretty full but only because I had loaded about a dozen full length movies for the kids to watch in the car.

I'd prob go for the 32 gig next time round, just cause its there.

last edited by E.T. at 09:03:21 09/Jun/09
BillyHardball
Posts: 9165
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^Ditto RE storage. I have about 8 gig worth of music, then a few gig of movies and bam it's full. With 32gig I could have pretty much all the music I listen to, plus at least a half-dozen of movies, which would mean that I'd only ever have to use iTunes to change s*** around once a week. At the moment I swap media over every couple of days at the most.
exo
Posts: 8417
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
BL to all the suckers on 24 month contracts.
3dee
Posts: 3627
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm much more interested in turn-by-turn Navigation from the likes of Tom Tom or Garmin - and that should work for anyone with a 3.0 if it gets through the App Store.

Check out the mount you'll be able to buy for it. Apparently increases the GPS signal or something _/(o_o)\_

http://iphone.tomtom.com/
parabol
Posts: 5303
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I would have at least hoped for a 5mp camera.. 3mp is like 10 year ago technology..

Don't really see the point of a high megapixel count.

Would prefer a more sensitive sensor.
3dee
Posts: 3628
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
BL to all the suckers on 24 month contracts.

T_T
BillyHardball
Posts: 9167
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Where can we see the list of things that the 3.0 update will bring to the 3G?
exo
Posts: 8418
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/
BillyHardball
Posts: 9169
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Thanks exo, and when can we expect to see the update via iTunes?
Martz
Posts: 2101
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
time to upgrade wifey's contract and do a swapsy
3dee
Posts: 3630
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
June 17th is OS 3.0.

Also, I hate when people cry about photo resolution. HIGHER RESOLUTION MEANS NOTHING IF ITS A s*** HOLE SENSOR
BillyHardball
Posts: 9171
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I use this analogy to explain the megapixel vs sensor: Imagine you are displaying a picture on a wall using a projector. You can make that picture bigger by simply moving the projector back, but that does not increase the quality of the picture. On the other hand, you could get a better projector, and when you use it from a greater distance you can see more detail.
TiT
Posts: 2297
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
now the hardest question... who should i go with optus or vodafone??
3dee
Posts: 3631
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Pretty much.
exo
Posts: 8419
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If anybody wants to watch the keynote stream its available here:
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0906paowdnv/event/index.html?internal=ijalrmacu
natslovR
Posts: 6194
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
I have the 16gb and it does me fine. I hold 1-2 tv series on it and have about 5gb of music. It's never been more than 80% full. Got a few webcasts as well. 32 gb may be needed if u want to keep s*** on there u never ever use and take A LOT of video at 30fps

Apps and other data are insignificant

a 350mb tv show is about 240mb when converted for iPhone
TicMan
Posts: 4694
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
All I need is the 1-2Mb for Flight Control (DAMN YOU STUPID HELICOPTERS) and about 5Gb for music.

iPhone 3.0 looks brilliant - can't wait for this to arrive in my iTunes downloader.
Syco
Posts: 258
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I am going to get an iphone when I come home, do you honestly need the 32gb??


Depends if you like using a phone like a iPod shuffle I guess. I only have an 8gig iPhone so I keep my 80gig iPod around just so I can carry a fair bit of music around with me. If you're cool with updating the playlist on the iPhone fairly often and don't mind the "mannnn I really wanna hear that song but can't" then get the 16 instead of the 32.
infi
Posts: 12477
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

N97 will dominate!
Carson
Posts: 112
Location: Gippsland, Victoria

My HTC Dream is still sexier.

Android is just too sleek.
scuzzy
Posts: 13436
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Neat, still no camera flash.
Opec
Posts: 5754
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Looks good, a nice update for iPhone 3G. Still, I don't care for it, Win Mo does me just fine. The only thing that I wish my Omnia has is the friggin Next G compatibility, which iPhone has..... Other than that meh.
TiT
Posts: 2298
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
when the n97 coming out?
Raven
Posts: 3691
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I haven't really followed iPhones much, but is the pricing basically you now get a 16GB at the old 8GB price-point and 32GB at the 16GB price?
jmr
Posts: 6289
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So when the f*** is v3 coming
infi
Posts: 12480
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
n97 is starting to dribble out now. you just have to ferret around.
Superform
Posts: 5637
Location: Netherlands
HTC touch diamond 2 is out.. which i might be getting in a few weeks
Triamks
Posts: 2147
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The new iPhone 3GS looks good. I'm interested in a new phone so will be investigating options/prices when it's released in a few weeks.
Nathan
Posts: 3163
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

I haven't really followed iPhones much, but is the pricing basically you now get a 16GB at the old 8GB price-point and 32GB at the 16GB price?


There's no Australian pricing yet, but yes - in America iPhone 3G was launched last year on 24month contract at $199/$299 for 8GB/16GB , so they've kept the same price points for 3GS and doubled the SSD size.
dranged
Posts: 1532
Location: USA

New Macbooks look good

Now I need to break this one somehow :/
Opec
Posts: 5756
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

n97 is starting to dribble out now. you just have to ferret around.


Feature wise yes it's got everything including the kitchen sink and more but...I hate to say it but Nokia's Symbian platform is just stale, it's got UI and usability from the early 2000.....

I've seen video reviews of N97 was so frustrated as hell just to watch the sales chick demoing the unit... It just look so clunky to use... Seriously, even Win mo IMO, has better usability than Symbian.... and it's many light years behind iPhone OS.
3dee
Posts: 3632
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I had an E65 once and the operating system would often spend noticable amounts of time painting the GUI... O_O
Nathan
Posts: 3164
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

The Palm Pre does look interesting, any word of an Australian release date yet?
Twisted
Posts: 10653
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

We're having issues with the new software and Exchange when using certificates for authentication...
infi
Posts: 12483
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I hate to say it but Nokia's Symbian platform is just stale


Symbian is going open source. And a new version is due out soon I believe.
Opec
Posts: 5757
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Symbian is going open source. And a new version is due out soon I believe.


Should be good, anything is better than the current progress of development. I used to be hardcore Nokia fan but it's hard for me to do so the past few years....
tequila
Posts: 2326
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just want Visual Voicemail in Australia without having to swap over to Vodafone (because they're s***e)

I will be upgrading, simply because I bought mine outright and I'm sick to death of pre-paid
It's time to go back on a plan, but only 12 months - none of this 24 month crap

I recharged with optus two weeks ago ($40) and within 72 hours it was 100% gone
I rang up to find out why, turns out if I don't put at least $50 per month on my phone I only get 10mb of data usage and they charge me $1.20 per SIXTY KILOBYTES OR PART THERE OF?!@!@!@ WTF

needless to say, I was pissed because it was a legacy plan and they said "just by saying you want to swap to <PlanX> you will get the same amount of calls + 100mb/month or what evs

I also just spent the long weekend on moreton and had no reception from the port of brisbane when I left until I got back into the port of brisbane
wouldn't bother me normally except I had to ring the old man on Sunday to say Happy b'day - mate with Telstra had full speed 3g internets

/rant

f*** optus, f*** vodafone
exo
Posts: 8421
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The Palm Pre does look interesting, any word of an Australian release date yet?

Gotta wait for the announcement of a GSM/UMTS version first.
infi
Posts: 12484
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
check this for a rort. i lost my n96 which was on contract so switched my blackberry over to optus onto their $79 plan. within 2 weeks i had racked up about $180 in data charges (30mb), simply because i didn't denote one of their data plans. with telstra you can use third party aps unlimited however not so with optus and i got caught out.

i had to fight my way through to someone who put me on a $10/month data plan for 200mb, and got a credit for all the excess charges

Watch out for those Optus data scams cos they're terrible.
TiT
Posts: 2300
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeh i would be with telstra in an instant but they dont have capped plans... Telstra pricing is just rediculous!!!
Midda
Posts: 3626
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My HTC Dream is still sexier.

Android is just too sleek.

< Jealous.
reso
I can't read
Posts: 4749
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
check this for a rort. i lost my n96 which was on contract so switched my blackberry over to optus onto their $79 plan. within 2 weeks i had racked up about $180 in data charges (30mb), simply because i didn't denote one of their data plans. with telstra you can use third party aps unlimited however not so with optus and i got caught out.

i had to fight my way through to someone who put me on a $10/month data plan for 200mb, and got a credit for all the excess charges

Watch out for those Optus data scams cos they're terrible.


Vodafone did this too, except they tried to charge me $20/mb LOL
Opec
Posts: 5758
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I also just spent the long weekend on moreton and had no reception from the port of brisbane when I left until I got back into the port of brisbane
wouldn't bother me normally except I had to ring the old man on Sunday to say Happy b'day - mate with Telstra had full speed 3g internets


I'm with Telstra and I get frustrated without Next G.... I used to be able to get a solid call and intratubes access from just about everywhere on my Next G handset but, now it's touch and go in some places (even at my place) with their normal 3G network. Still I get more coverage than my friends who are with 3/Vodafone/Optus... The next handset will have to have the Next G network compatibility...
tequila
Posts: 2327
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah there was 5 iphones camping with us and the only one that worked was Telstra
I think telstra have a tower somewhere on the island

I would consider going with them if they didn't charge exuberant rates for data
Obes
Posts: 7673
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
We got some symbian phones at work last week. the whole signed application thing is a headache. We are trying to install nokia intellisync and it's complaining about the nokia certificates!!!!
Farseeker
Posts: 1567
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I think telstra have a tower somewhere on the island
3 have a tower over there too - hsdpa worked well at tangalooma anyway. With the voda/3 merger I'd be suprised if 3 didn't get the 3gs.

but yeah, definitely looking forward to os 3.0, and my girlfriend's been holding off getting a 3g for a few months on the hope of this hardware bump, so looking forward to seeing how much faster it is too.

I hope virginmobile aren't arses about tethering.
Protius
Posts: 4042
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So when does the new phone come out? Or did I browse over it?
Farseeker
Posts: 1568
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So when does the new phone come out?

June 26 is our date for the new hardware;
June 17 is when the iPhone OS 3.0 update is due for existing iphones.
tequila
Posts: 2328
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
even if your carrier is a jew about tethering (apple allow providers to enable/disable it) you could probably just get around it by jail breaking

AT&T in the US arent going to allow tethering afaik, but seriously - you're just pissing people off by doing this
charging them $99 to active tethering is a jewish money grubbing whore act
$ack
Posts: 617
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
even if your carrier is a jew about tethering (apple allow providers to enable/disable it) you could probably just get around it by jail breaking


running the 3.0 beta and tethering runs beautifully.

If my carrier decides to not allow tethering, I'll just keep running the beta :)
Syco
Posts: 269
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't really get the thing about "OMG THIS PHONE HAS A HIGHER MP CAMERA THEN THAT PHONE" thing. I'd prefer a good quality CCD and lens over a high MP camera, but then I have an SLR for if I want a decent shot anyway.
ViscoS
Posts: 175
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

It's a multi-purpose device.
ravn0s
Posts: 7838
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
watched the tour vid. i so want one now :/
Fish
Posts: 2721
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...
Farseeker
Posts: 1569
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...
turns out apple know what features are actually important to spend effort on then hey? lucky you weren't at apple and led them to build another n95. totally baited :(hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe
ehehheheheheheheh

yeah the mp thing is silly, sensor size is where it's at.. which in any small device is going to be tiny right? so more mp = noisier photos that take up more space.

edit: use of copypaste

last edited by Farseeker at 10:09:49 10/Jun/09
reso
I can't read
Posts: 4750
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
it's easier to just reply like this Farseeker.

I still find it amusing that it took them so long to get cut & paste and mms messaging...


hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe
ehehheheheheheheh

PS. I haven't missed MMS ever, and I think I've missed copy and paste once so far.

But yea, you're right lol. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheehehehehehe amazing os compared to vista rite
heheheheheheheheheheheheh
Hogfather
Posts: 2909
Location: Cairns, Queensland
I miss copy and paste all the time. Depends what you use the phone for I guess? If you do like I'm doing right now and post on forums with the phone the lack of clipboard us obvious and jarring.

There's a ton of stupid little things that irk me about the iPhone's setup, as though they didn't think very hard about usability beyond the very nice touch interface. It's a very nice piece of kit, but I think I'll be more carefully looking to see what the win mo guys are doing next time before jumping onto the iPhone wagon. There is a LOT of do-it-our-way you have to swallow.
Syco
Posts: 271
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't SMS pretty much at all, don't really notice not having copy and paste much either. That said I would reallllly like both to be available heh.
dranged
Posts: 1533
Location: USA
Yes, the excess data cottage industry. Thankfully I think we can make enough noise nowadays (Intertubes) to push back on that!

Another one to watch out for are those automated SMS services; they can individually be steep and rack up over time and since it's a 3rd party service (but with most of the $$ eventually going back to the carrier) the phone monkeys generally can't do anything about it.
$ack
Posts: 625
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I never missed copy & paste either. But now that i have it (beta) I use it alot!
Farseeker
Posts: 1570
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So the OS 3.0 gold master from wwdc is on the tubes.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5284779/iphone-os-30-now-available-in-torrent-tested-it-works
BillyHardball
Posts: 9178
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I recommend that everyone just relaxes and waits for the official release.
Hogfather
Posts: 2911
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Yeh well I'm bad at that.

Installing the above firmware now, watch this space for a rant in 10 minutes about how I f***ed up my phone :)
tequila
Posts: 2341
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
+1

its less than two weeks away, I'm happy to wait
do want the new hardware though
Obes
Posts: 7677
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I can wait for the offical release.

I just got google calendars to sync to my iphone, and groupwise to sync to google.
v8 of Groupwise is going to have ActiveSync.... ie. native iphone support!
Erik-the-Red
Posts: 2380
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
have they enabled MMS or bluetooth'ing files to other phones on this update?
Syco
Posts: 277
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
How'd it go Hogfather?

have they enabled MMS or bluetooth'ing files to other phones on this update?


I believe they have enabled MMS, don't think they have bluetooth though. I'm sure there's a list in one of the links posted though.
Hogfather
Posts: 2912
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Worked fine! I used one from TPB.

Just sent and received a test MMS, the pic in the message bubble is kind of funky. Landscape email is much, much nicer. The apps I've tried are all working OK. I think I like the way they do text selection for copy and paste.

Trying to get an early 8.2 iTunes now so I can make tethering work. The latest one from Apple won't let you install ipcc files!

Edit: woo got an 8.2.0.10 iTunes and now tethering is working, bluetooth and USB.

last edited by Hogfather at 22:32:31 10/Jun/09
natslovR
Posts: 6195
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
I had beta 5 crash on me the other day. I could still type on the keyboard even though i couldn't see it, because i am really good.



I missed copy/paste before it was included. I've used it several times on the beta it works very well.

Looking forward to the full release but i got s*** on at the moment so will wait for it officially (though apple servers will probably get overloaded).
3dee
Posts: 3634
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
GM seems to have fixed that issue. I had that a lot.
Hogfather
Posts: 2913
Location: Cairns, Queensland


I missed copy/paste before it was included. I've used it several times on the beta it works very well.


yeh the select mechanic will take some getting used to but at least it's functional :)

3dee
Posts: 3635
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeh the select mechanic will take some getting used to but at least it's functional :)

What's difficult about it? Press and hold then adjust.
Hogfather
Posts: 2914
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Oh, did I say it was difficult? Nope.

There are some quirks mostly tied up with page structures and HTML blocks. It also fails to "copy" images from safari when they are inside a link - I tend to get the URL instead, and there's no option to choose URL or image.

When using two finger zoom it sometimes goes into text select mode.

last edited by Hogfather at 08:55:10 11/Jun/09
3dee
Posts: 3636
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah sometimes its a bit funny with the granularity of selectable areas in HTML. But hey, I reckon its a very easy way of copy/pasting on a phone. Mainly cause it doesn't involve pulling up "option" menus and whatnot.
Hogfather
Posts: 2915
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Yeh, I guess I was expecting to just be able to swipe my finger across some text, then hold the selection to choose cut-copy-paste the way you select in Win Mo. I guess it wasn't possible using fat finger controls?

It works very well on pages designed for mobile devices - news.com.au for example (just for trog) is very easy to select hunks oof text.

I find the select tools awkward and cramped in the landscape mode editor, and I manage to hit done or the top bar a lot instead of the pop-up menus. This is purely because in landscape mode screen real estate is given to keys over text.

Unfortunately (at least on my device) once you go into landscape mode editing, Safari stops recognising changes in the accelerometer and won't go back to portrait mode without hitting the home button and returning. It would be much better if I could easily swing between portrait and landscape mode while in the Safari editor as it does in Email.

last edited by Hogfather at 09:21:18 11/Jun/09
3dee
Posts: 3637
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeh, I guess I was expecting to just be able to swipe my finger across some text, then hold the selection to choose cut-copy-paste the way you select in Win Mo. I guess it wasn't possible using fat finger controls?

The problem with just swiping is that swiping is already assigned to scrolling so they couldn't have just gone with that.

Unfortunately (at least on my device) once you go into landscape mode editing, Safari stops recognising changes in the accelerometer and won't go back to portrait mode without hitting the home button and returning

Hmmm, it should go back to portrait but also it won't rotate while in editing. You have to close the keyboard first then roll to portrait or landscape
BillyHardball
Posts: 9180
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeh you shouldn't have to hit the home button. Just close the keyboard and rotate.
Hogfather
Posts: 2916
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Weird, Safari must have been messing with me - once i had the keyboard open it locked to that alignment this morning. Being nicer now, but still need to close the keyboard, hopefully they'll make it so the keyboard reacts itself.

3dee, you said its possible in 3.0 to add multiple pics to an email in a thread a while back - is this just a copy paste thing?
3dee
Posts: 3638
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
3dee, you said its possible in 3.0 to add multiple pics to an email in a thread a while back - is this just a copy paste thing?

Yeah. Go into photos, hit action button and tap multiple images then hit copy and then in mail paste them in.
exo
Posts: 8423
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hogfather - go into your gallery, press the share button in the bottom left corner (without choosing anything first). Then tap the pictures you want to send and press the "Share" button, and choose email.
natslovR
Posts: 6198
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
I did the GM upgrade last night afterall. Unfortunately i lost all my media. Otherwise all good so far
3dee
Posts: 3640
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Unboxing

If you didn't know the 3G S has a "anti-fingerprint" anti scratch coating now.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9181
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Does it have a native document reader yet???
3dee
Posts: 3641
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hardware specs of 3G S


  iPhone 3G (ARM11) iPhone 3GS (ARM Cortex A8)
Manufacturing Process 90nm 65nm
Architecture In-Order In-Order
Issue Width 1-issue 2-issue
Pipeline Depth 8-stage 13-stage
Clock Speed 412MHz 600MHz
L1 Cache Size 16KB I-Cache + 16KB D-Cache 32KB I-Cache + 32KB D-Cache
L2 Cache Size N/A 256KB


The combination of higher clock speeds, more cache and a dual-issue front end results in a much faster processor. Apple claims the real world performance of the iPhone 3GS can be up to 2x faster than the iPhone 3G, and I believe that’s quite feasible.
Hogfather
Posts: 2917
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Thanks guys :)
TiT
Posts: 2305
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
my problem is do i get white or black??
TicMan
Posts: 4702
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Once you go bla... oh wait, wrong thread.
ryan14
Posts: 6
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I can't understand why it doesn't have Zoom in and Zoom out for the camera. Autofocus is great, but it doesn't even have zoom. even a cheap $100 phone has camera zoom.

Anyway,here is a 13 minute video that gives a guided tour of the new iPhone 3GS here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aQpczZC00
3dee
Posts: 3660
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It doesn't have zoom because zoom does NOTHING when its digital. It just crops the image. Digital zoom is BAD. The iPhone would be bigger if they tried to fit in optical zoom.
Farseeker
Posts: 1571
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I can't understand why it doesn't have Zoom in and Zoom out for the camera. Autofocus is great, but it doesn't even have zoom. even a cheap $100 phone has camera zoom.

Anyway, here is a 13 minute video that gives a guided tour of the new iPhone 3GS here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aQpczZC00
this is the one on apple's website - http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/

digital zoom = crop. 'Camera Zoom' is a pretty good app that does this.
jmr
Posts: 6298
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My HTC Dream is still sexier.


You're kidding me !@?

And 256MB of RAM up from 128MB 3dee
Obes
Posts: 7678
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It doesn't have a zoom ... because its a f***ing phone ya twat

Go buy a camera if you want good photos.

ps. my camera won't send SMSs
mitch
Posts: 1
Location:

hey

does anyone know anything about the so called "Assisted GPS". Even optus states on their website the new 3.0 OS update has it. If so, (such as the tom tom application) what would be the pricing?

ps. if you a phone with a good camera buy a sony ericsson
3dee
Posts: 3666
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If they do then Optus is stupid.

A-GPS has been around since iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 2.0 was launched. Essentially even the iPhone 2G has A-GPS, just without the GPS part since A-GPS uses cell towers to help triangulate position.
Nathan
Posts: 3167
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

GPS generally requires clear overhead view (ie doesn't work indoors) and often takes quite a while to get a lock on your position.

Assisted GPS uses the mobile phone towers to work out an approximate location to use until GPS determines your exact location.
Martz
Posts: 2114
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
one thing I had with sony ericsson that i miss with the iphone is the radio.. sometimes I have enough of mp3's and wanna listen to some radio, particularly the triple j talk shows.
Hogfather
Posts: 2927
Location: Cairns, Queensland

There's a Nova streaming radio app, maybe JJJ will do one too.
Martz
Posts: 2115
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah got the nova one, but it has to be open, can't minimise to do other things.
Hogfather
Posts: 2929
Location: Cairns, Queensland
=\ That blow
parabol
Posts: 5305
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
digital zoom = crop

Not crop, just interpolation.

But yes, you get no extra detail/information out of the scene you are capturing.
3dee
Posts: 3668
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Not crop, just interpolation.

But yes, you get no extra detail/information out of the scene you are capturing.

Well yeah, but some do a crop, some just resize a cropped area. Either way it looks BAD :P
Triamks
Posts: 2187
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So tomorrow's the big day.

Apparently, Apple stores will be selling the 3GS Outright and Unlocked as reported in this thread on Whirlpool http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1228756&p=1 with some details on http://www.apple.com/au/retail/iphone/

Priced at:
16GB – $879
32GB – $1049

For those not near Robina we'll have to wait for it to be available online.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9296
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
One of the better new features that I didn't hear about anywhere is the adjustment to the scrub feature. Before, when scrolling the time bar while watching a movie or something, the timing would jump by huge amounts at a time. Now, you can start the scrub, then drag your finger down teh screen so that the scrub adjustments get finer and finer. Really good for movies and podcasts.
ravn0s
Posts: 7907
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
can you buy the iphone outright off their site or only from a store?

edit: bah cant see anywhere to buy it on the site.

last edited by ravn0s at 22:34:07 25/Jun/09
Pinky
Posts: 1790
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I had beta 5 crash on me the other day. I could still type on the keyboard even though i couldn't see it, because i am really good.

lol @ search results natslovR; 2 girls 1 cup :-P I refuse to even think about watching that.

I am still without a solid internet/app based phone. Going strong with the W880i, no need to change yet really. If the HDD was 120GB or something I would change for sure because I could get rid of the WD Passport I carry around.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9299
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm guessing Apple are still being c***s and not letting us use the devic as external HDD?
Hogfather
Posts: 3026
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Ayup.
3dee
Posts: 3808
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It would need a driver since the file system is HFS+.
Hogfather
Posts: 3027
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Oh noes a driver. Unpossible then.

How about letting us mount is as a network share? There's heaps of f***ing options!

last edited by Hogfather at 08:49:40 26/Jun/09
3dee
Posts: 3809
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
There's a heap of apps that allow you to FTP into it.

But the driver requirement could be a problem as you'd need it on every computer you plug it into.
Hogfather
Posts: 3028
Location: Cairns, Queensland

Yeh like the 80 meg software you need to install to do ANYTHING with it on a computer?

WTF 3dee, haha!
3dee
Posts: 3810
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

WTF 3dee, haha!

Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).

As much I'd like to use my iPhone as a bit of storage, I don't want to have to cart around a driver. You don't have this problem with flash storage and hard drivers since they're just plain old NTFS filesystems.
Raisty
Posts: 162
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Sounds like you want a link something like http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-ways-to-turn-your-iphone-into-an-external-hard-disk/
BillyHardball
Posts: 9302
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I've used the 3rd party apps to put data onto my iPhone via wifi and it works really well, but I just don't trust those apps as a reliable backup solution. Too many stories about things getting wiped with updates etc.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9303
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Thanks for that link Raisty, but those solutions are pretty dirty.
Raisty
Posts: 163
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Pretty much :)

I think the most useable solution is to use a wifi app to keep iPhone browser on your phone. That way you can copy/run it from any pc you have wifi with

But yes, it isnt perfect by any means


Hogfather
Posts: 3029
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).

Again - so what? The device is useless by design without iTunes installed.

So just bundle the f***ing driver with iTunes. Yeh you won't be able to use it on random terminals but it would be a billion percent better than no file access at all.
tequila
Posts: 2536
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/3gs.jpg

it was worth it just because its that much faster


last edited by tequila at 09:33:20 26/Jun/09
3dee
Posts: 3813
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
There's numerous threads about yellow colour temperature, cracking, lock ups and a borked accelerometer.
dynamite
Posts: 1363
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Huh? The problem is that you wouldn't just be able to plug it in everywhere. You'd need to install the driver (and have it with you).


Huh? You would have it with you? On the iPhone dah, plug it in, driver installs... Pretty much like any other phone you can use as a modem or mass storage device.
3dee
Posts: 3814
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Huh? You would have it with you? On the iPhone dah, plug it in, driver installs... Pretty much like any other phone you can use as a modem or mass storage device.

The iPhone doesn't use a Windows-visible file system. It uses Max OS X's HFS file system which Windows can't even see letalone read.
3dee
Posts: 3815
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Try iPhoneBrowser. I'm downloading it now and seeing if it works with my 3.0 3G.
3dee
Posts: 3816
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I can confirm it works. You might need to copy the 8.2 iTunesMobileDevice.dll (file version from C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin into the iPhoneBrowser folder for iPhoneBrowser to be able to detect 3.0 iPhone.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9309
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And then you can access your iPhone as an HDD from just your home PC?
Eds
Posts: 8815
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Teq, please tell me you wernt one of the sad little people I saw outside the telstra shop at 7am this morning in the city :P
BillyHardball
Posts: 9310
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
No, he was one of the sad tall people you saw.
Martz
Posts: 2175
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I want to upgrade to the new 3Gs but my contract doesn't end till January.. I rang them and told me I would have to pay $325 or something to upgrade now... any ideas?? I'm with optarse.

BillyHardball
Posts: 9312
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Do you have to give back your old handset? If not, that sounds like it's pretty reasonable? You'd essentially be buying the handset for $325, plus whatever extra cost of the monthly fee.
3dee
Posts: 3818
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Sounds about right. You *are* on a contract and are obligated to pay the contract out.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9313
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile.
Martz
Posts: 2176
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah I thought it was reasonable, just thought I'd check.. last time I upgraded, I had like 4 months left on my contract and told them that if they wouldn't let me upgrade there and then without fees, I would go to Telstra.. next day I get a phone call from Optus and said it was ok to upgrade.. not liking my chances for 6 months left though...
BillyHardball
Posts: 9314
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeh and I mentioned earlier in this thread that Optus take an extremely hard line approach in negotioting for the iPhones - they won't bend on the contract or fees, but after a lot of haggling I managed to get two months of charges free.
Martz
Posts: 2177
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
are they out now to collect from optus stores?
Damo
Posts: 3800
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
billy, how did you get that?

I'm thinking of getting 49 with 14.99 net..all i can afford
tequila
Posts: 2539
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Teq, please tell me you wernt one of the sad little people I saw outside the telstra shop at 7am this morning in the city :P

Hell no! ... I was there at midnight :P

we got out of the movies at 11.50pm and I figured what the hey, I'll have an iPhone
I sold my old 3G on Wednesday for $560 so I needed a new one :D

Do you have to give back your old handset? If not, that sounds like it's pretty reasonable? You'd essentially be buying the handset for $325, plus whatever extra cost of the monthly fee.


See above - sell your existing one if you want upgrade loving

I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile


it is noticeably faster
3dee
Posts: 3819
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I sold my old 3G on Wednesday for $560 so I needed a new one :D

Nice one.

I would like the upgrade but I'm not going to. Not worth the money atm, not to mention the Telstra contract :/
Triamks
Posts: 2194
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm looking forward to some YouTubes of the 3G and 3GS running some s*** side by side. So far I'm not sold that an upgrade is worthwhile.


They're already available, have been for over a week.
3dee
Posts: 3821
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Aparently mobile YouTube has increased by 400% since the 3GS was released on the 19th.

last edited by 3dee at 11:08:23 26/Jun/09
paveway
Posts: 9971
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
we got out of the movies at 11.50pm and I figured what the hey, I'll have an iPhone


actually, he "needed" to get the phone at MIDNIGHT so he decided to go to the movies and made sure he picked a movie that got out just before midnight

he was dressed in a big foam rubber apple costume.
tequila
Posts: 2541
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha, hater

Totaly wasn't worth the wait, If I had of known there was going to be that many people I would have just gone in next week or something

I did score some free swag though - car charger, screen protector, crystal case, beanie, scarf, free coffee & food while waiting in line etc
Hogfather
Posts: 3030
Location: Cairns, Queensland
But you wore a big apple foam suit right? Pics man, that's awesome.
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9347
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm just hanging out for someone's hand-me-down 3G, so give me a bell if anyone upgrading has one in good nick & going cheap.
tequila
Posts: 2542
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Unlikely Dan, although the reason I sold mine before today was because I figure the price will drop rapidly after the new one comes out

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=190314999582
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9348
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I expect there'll be a lot of upgraders, especially if Apple open's up their buy it outright option to online sales.
tequila
Posts: 2543
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
oh of course, i just meant the 'cheap' bit
i wouldn't call $500~ cheap

but then again, I probably got very lucky to get that price for it
Martz
Posts: 2179
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how much you wanna pay for my iphone 3g?? 16GB Black, almost like new condition.. I have a hard case protecting the back and a zagg screen protector so no scratches anywhere... never put it in pocket with keys, lives on his own :) mind you it's in a hell of a lot better condition than what tequila posted there too...


edit: oh am I allowed to sell here?

last edited by Martz at 11:38:17 26/Jun/09
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9349
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well it's cheap when you look at the outright prices. Planning to wait a couple of weeks then hoping I can pick one up sub $300. 16GB would be nice, but I'd be fine with 8. Most important is that it's in decent condition and provider unlocked.
Martz
Posts: 2180
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how to provider unlock?? I got my iphone with Optus, so I assume it's locked to optus?
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9350
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't have one obviously, but from a brief look around I found this on whirlpool
Free on Post-Paid, must have recharged a minimum of $80 on Pre-Paid (which essentially makes that free too as it's all credit you can use, not a fee you pay for the unlocking)
jmr
Posts: 6344
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm just gonna O/C this one. I reckon I can get it to 800mhz on air ez
tequila
Posts: 2544
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
optus unlock for free
telstra charge $150 even if you buy it outright (a mate got stung by this)
jmr
Posts: 6345
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Good to know teq

How do I get optus to unlock it, is there an online link ?
TicMan
Posts: 4799
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I had to ring up and ask, speaking of just got my Apple care upsell offer for my iPhone.
tequila
Posts: 2545
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah just call cust service and they do it, takes about 10 days last i checked
Hogfather
Posts: 3031
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Interestingly the 10 day wait is entirely artificial, there's no reason for it as far as I can see.

Because we're on a business plan they unlocked my iPhone overnight.

Also:

How to turn off annoying auto-backup in iTunes. See notes in the comments for Vista / win7 prefs file location. Works well.

last edited by Hogfather at 12:50:04 26/Jun/09
smashingpumpkin
Posts: 641
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Waiting for the 64Gb version here. Hopefully this recession farks off so that next years upgrade will include more storage.
tequila
Posts: 2546
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 27267
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?
its not just a phone, or so all the fanboys keep telling me
3dee
Posts: 3822
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

not particularly tied to recent posts but f***ing hilarious anyway
smashingpumpkin
Posts: 643
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
32gb is pretty f***ing massive for a phone?


It'd be nice to completely integrate the music and phone aspects.
Martz
Posts: 2181
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how much is the 3gs in USA?? like $199USd, and we have to pay over $1k outright, suckmycockkthxbai.
eXemplar
Posts: 2243
Location:
how much is the 3gs in USA?? like $199USd, and we have to pay over $1k outright, suckmycockkthxbai.

No, that's $199usd upfront on a plan.
Dan
Special Text
Posts: 9353
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That US price isn't outright either, that's their 2 year contract price.
tequila
Posts: 2547
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I dont have 32gb of music i'd listen to regularly enough that i want to carry it around at all times
right now on my new 32gb model i've only got 5 albums im listening to

i've used less than 1gb ..
Martz
Posts: 2182
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ahh my bad
Infidel
Posts: 2926
Location: Netherlands
I paid 199 euros for my 32 gb 3gs on 2 year tmobile plan .... feel like an idiot falling in that trap
Martz
Posts: 2183
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
woman just got sms'd with an early upgrade offer for the 3Gs don't have to pay early upgrade fee's etc (she still has 6months left in her current contract)

booyah!
Damo
Posts: 3815
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
What's the choices you get for upgrading?

I can't log into my account to see what it says..
Spook
Posts: 25463
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
if i get an iphone, will it catch on fire?
tequila
Posts: 2557
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
its not an r32 four door, so no
BillyHardball
Posts: 9327
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
teq, you should do some nerd thingo so that your sig counts down :O
tequila
Posts: 2563
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

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tequila
Posts: 2564
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
turns out i broke the forum because the sig length doesn't allow for my full iframe :(
Martz
Posts: 2184
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
got the 3gs on the weekend.. awesome phone, very fast and f***ing love the video camera...
infi
Posts: 12693
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Apple silent on claims new iPhone is overheating.

also

PC World reports iPhone faults


last edited by infi at 04:08:28 30/Jun/09
BillyHardball
Posts: 9329
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
teq, I think the thread keeps reloading every second too fkn lol
ravn0s
Posts: 7931
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
teq broke the internets
3dee
Posts: 3838
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Looks like it will be a good idea waiting til my contract is over and hence a new iPhone 10G.
tequila
Posts: 2569
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
it shouldn't reload the entire thread
if it does, your browser is doing it wrong
paveway
Posts: 9979
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
it just keeps reloading the page like i'm hitting f5 constantly
tequila
Posts: 2570
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
your browsers are teh suck, firefox/chrome/opera don't do it
so you must use ie, which means you fail
Triamks
Posts: 2203
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My firefox looked as if it was reloading the page every seconded, but it was quite quick about it.
Hogfather
Posts: 3055
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Yeh it was refreshing the iframe and doing that click click click s***.

You suck at teh webdevs teq!
Martz
Posts: 2192
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Apple silent on claims new iPhone is overheating.

also

PC World reports iPhone faults ?


nothing out of the ordinary with mine so far.
Infidel
Posts: 2927
Location: Netherlands
While I have unlimited data on my tmobile iphone, i cant tether it or make skype calls over 3g. the latter understandable though. Is it the same in Aus?
ravn0s
Posts: 7947
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you can now buy an unlocked iphone off the apple store site.
Triamks
Posts: 2209
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hell yes ravn0s!
tequila
Posts: 2605
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
a mate of mine left his phone outside on a table (under cover) while it was raiing, the rain seeped through his roof and dropped directly onto the iphone

wouldn't turn on so i put it in a bowl full of rice and put it in the oven
got it out and it turned on no worries but gave him an error saying "warning the device is too hot"

i lol'd

also, i am loving the compass feature when using google maps

infidel; just download the carrier pack for tmobile to enable tethering
its bulls*** that they try and charge you to use your device as a modem

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/19/complete-how-to-tethering-an-iphone-with-30-firmware/

etc, just google till you find the right one
optus tried to block me from tethering too but they can pretty much DIAF
tequila
Posts: 2606
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://richardlai.xanga.com/704930537/enable-tethering-on-iphone-30---too-easy-worldwide-carriers/ ^^
darkjedi
Posts: 1754
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://www.three.com.au -> July 17th for 3's iPhone launch.

Raisty
Posts: 166
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I wish they'd announce their plans already
darkjedi
Posts: 1755
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You & me both. Then I can figure out if I'll just buy one outright or not :)
Martz
Posts: 2193
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
also, i am loving the compass feature when using google maps


what the?? please explain.

edit: oh shows which way you facing, pretty friggen cool huh?!?1

last edited by Martz at 17:03:36 02/Jul/09
Triamks
Posts: 2211
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You & me both. Then I can figure out if I'll just buy one outright or not :)


Me three. But I'm leaning towards buying from Apple as it comes unlocked.
tequila
Posts: 2609
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I bought mine from optus, rang up and they unlocked it for free
jmr
Posts: 6353
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Teq you've got an S yeah? I wouuld like to compare your 3G connectivity speeds and see if there is any real difference between them.

If you are in the valley and tethered, can you do a speedtest for me, and post results??
ara
Posts: 2682
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

3GS jailbreak is out in the wild.

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-make-it-ra1n.html
tequila
Posts: 2635
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I can't tether it to any machines here so I just did it from the phone

Wifi Test:

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed01.jpg

3Gs 3G (Optus, Fortitude Valley) Test #1

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed02.jpg

3Gs 3G (Optus, Fortitude Valley) Test #2

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/speed03.jpg
BillyHardball
Posts: 9386
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
How does that compare to the 3G model?
Triamks
Posts: 2215
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I bought mine from optus, rang up and they unlocked it for free


But you're on an Optus Plan yeah?
jmr
Posts: 6364
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah that is a fair bit quicker

How do you take screenshots???
tequila
Posts: 2638
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
home button and the top button at the same time

how does it compare? not really sure tbh
using my old 3G iphone with the lappy (via tethering) before Origin Game II was working just fine

I was staying in a hotel at Blacktown (far western Sydney) and it was as good as using wifi internets

I'm on an optus plan yes
3dee
Posts: 3917
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
By the way, if anyone's wondering how to Force Quit in 3.0, you hold the lock button down until Shut Down comes up then hold Home (by itself) for six or so seconds and it'll kill the app.

This is because holding Home button is now assigned to Voice Control (in 3GS).
jmr
Posts: 6366
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't want to Force Quit 3dee so why would I waste time learning?
3dee
Posts: 3918
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Because everyone should know how to force quit. Its such a simple task. You shouldnt be using an iphone if u cant force quit jmr.
Infidel
Posts: 2940
Location: Netherlands
These are mine, I guess 3G connections in the netherlands on tmobile isnt that great ... im in the city centre of amsterdam

wifi
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9562/img0069.png

3g on my 3gs
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2170/img0070.png
Martz
Posts: 2226
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
from bulimba:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~joekool/IMG_0063.PNG
CSIRAC
Posts: 1681
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Anyone see the .jpg flying around a few days ago of what looks like a 3 employee taking a photo of a document with the iphone plans? Has it been posted here? I'll try and find it.
ravn0s
Posts: 7998
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
the 3 iphone plans came out yesterday



last edited by ravn0s at 22:31:21 14/Jul/09
CSIRAC
Posts: 1682
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://www.numbersinaflash.com/iphone-plans-comparison-calcul/

ppl might find that useful.

Calculator to find which provider is best for you.
sparrow
Posts: 479
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

My ipod touch just got stolen - is anyone upgrading to an iphone and looking to sell their touch? Only bought mine 8 months ago, so I realllly don't want to have to fork out for a new one already.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9427
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That sucks sparrow:/ Why not consider upgrading to an iPhone?

RE 3.0 software, I have found my iPhone to be running extremely sluggish lately... :(
paveway
Posts: 10087
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
meh no doubt i won't be able to upgrade my current contract and i'm not paying $40 a month extra on top of my current plan

i'm into the 15th month of my current contract

and i'm not ringing the c***s because it rages me when i get someone that can't speak english
sparrow
Posts: 480
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

That sucks sparrow:/ Why not consider upgrading to an iPhone?

RE 3.0 software, I have found my iPhone to be running extremely sluggish lately... :(

I have no need for a new phone - and I definitely wouldn't want to buy it overseas anyway. I want something to read on for the next few months over here.
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Kilos
Posts: 4701
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Pave, I work at 3 mate - PM me your mobile and I'll check out pricing for you on Monday.
deadlyf
Posts: 363
Location: Queensland
That calculator is awesome.

3 seems the best bet for me which is good since I'm already with them. The phones must be really over priced to buy outright, costs $1k from the Apple store for the phone or $1400~ over a $49 24 month contract with 3. Paying $400 or so for 2 years worth of phone and data isn't bad.
3dee
Posts: 4033
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well the iPhone in its market isn't overpriced. An N97 will cost you similar. In fact, most smartphones have always costed upwards of 800-1000 bucks.
Triamks
Posts: 2238
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
and I definitely wouldn't want to buy it overseas anyway.


Buy it from Australia's Apple Store online.
BillyHardball
Posts: 9438
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This is getting really unbearable - so f***ing laggy, and 3G is now really slow with Optus. I'm even considering downgrading to 2.0 again.
TiT
Posts: 2380
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
im three and i am pretty happy with the service
Triamks
Posts: 2240
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
3G is now really slow with Optus.


There's your problem.
Eds
Posts: 8876
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Whats vodafone like ? Thinking of moving from 3 too vodafone
3dee
Posts: 4041
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This is getting really unbearable - so f***ing laggy, and 3G is now really slow with Optus. I'm even considering downgrading to 2.0 again.

Remember 1.x? That was quick. 3.0 is finally a great operating system, but its just too slow for the previous gen hardware.
Hogfather
Posts: 3176
Location: Cairns, Queensland
3.0 is finally a great operating system, but its just too slow for the previous gen hardware

This is just a ridiculous cop out - what changes tweaks have been made with the OS that should impact general performance?

The OS patch was released for the hardware. According to your ever-glowing statements about how f***ing wonderful everything is when Apple controls both hardware and software it should 'just work'!
BillyHardball
Posts: 9440
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Actually, I didn't upgrade my carrier settings until this morning. Maybe that will affect the overall speed??
3dee
Posts: 4042
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This is just a ridiculous cop out - what changes tweaks have been made with the OS that should impact general performance?

The OS patch was released for the hardware. According to your ever-glowing statements about how f***ing wonderful everything is when Apple controls both hardware and software it should 'just work'!

It does just work fool. Its just slower coz compared to the original 3G firmware there's a lot more stuff in it which can bog it down after lots of general use. Think of the difference between Vista and XP. You run Vista on the same computer as XP and Vista uses more memory, more CPU etc.

Simple as pie. 3.0 requires more resources than 2.0, which was the same as 1.0 to 2.0. 3G has limited resources (128MB for EVERYTHING including video memory etc).
Hogfather
Posts: 3177
Location: Cairns, Queensland
It does just work fool. Its just slower coz compared to the original 3G firmware there's a lot more stuff in it which can bog it down after lots of general use. Think of the difference between Vista and XP. You run Vista on the same computer as XP and Vista uses more memory, more CPU etc.

Haha 3dee, it is a copout. You are CONSTANTLY going on about the fact that Apple ties its hardware to the software, and controls the entire shebang which is why its so bloody wonderful and everything is awesome in the land of Steve Jobs.

Newsflash dude, Vista is not INTENDED to run on all computers that XP was released to run on. There are a new set of recommended hardware minimums.

OS3.0 is INTENDED to run on iPhone series 1 and 3G. It was written specifically for these devices, and released through the Store as an upgrade. Where was the performance degradation warning that you are running it on an out of date device? The SMALL amount of change in the OS should not degrade performance if Apple have any idea what they are doing.

The Vista-XP comparison is nowehere near relevant at all. You're reaching for straws and failing.

Also how does the OS get 'bogged down' after lots of general use? Apple took the easy way out and killed apps when they are closed rather than let them run in the background. Are you implying that there is an OS-level memory leak? If so see point above about knowing what they are doing.

last edited by Hogfather at 10:59:34 20/Jul/09
Spook
Posts: 25638
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
watch out hoggy, you just punched 3dee, RIGHT IN THE FEELINGS
3dee
Posts: 4043
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahaha spook.
Syco
Posts: 443
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
PS. Optus are doing another stock clearence. iPhone 3G 16gig for $0 upfront on a $49 plan.
deadlyf
Posts: 366
Location: Queensland
Yeah but who would want an old 3G that isn't even designed to run the latest OS version?
3dee
Posts: 4046
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah deadly, who would?!
Hogfather
Posts: 3180
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Yeh they do need to add a disclaimer about it running dogs*** slow if you upgrade the old, s***ty clearance stock to the latest firmware. Took me (no exagerration) ten seconds to open f***ing SMS this morning.

How come I can't have the excellent basic phone features added with 3.0 without the bloat that only runs well on the 3GS? Is this a ploy to make people want to upgrade?

If "just works" includes "works but is f***ing slow and annoying" I can see why the it just works! Apple crowd are happy with iTunes, the slowest software on the planet.

last edited by Hogfather at 14:11:26 20/Jul/09
eXemplar
Posts: 2263
Location:
Yeh they do need to add a disclaimer about it running dogs*** slow if you upgrade the old, s***ty clearance stock to the latest firmware. Took me (no exagerration) ten seconds to open f***ing SMS this morning.

I've got an original gen 1 iPhone and iPhone 3G both running 3.0. They both have issues opening SMS but only when I've got a lot of messages on the phone and from what I can tell that's more the way it stores them in it's internal file database which causes the slowdown.

Do you mean upgrade as in upgrade to new firmware or upgrade as in restore to new firmware? Everything that I've ever done with an iphone has pretty much said "Don't upgrade it'll leave you with problems, restore"

It's actually quite funny, while I alternate between jailbroken and non jailbroken on average I've had to restore my phone every 2 months or so and reboot on a fairly regular basis - have apple created the ultimate Windows phone? I do screw around with them a bit, but still.
paveway
Posts: 10124
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you keep changing from jail broken to normal and back, what do you expect?
eXemplar
Posts: 2264
Location:
Your mother?
BillyHardball
Posts: 9446
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hoggy, I agree with you completely (minus just a little bit of rage).

Pretty much the only new feature I find useful is the cut and paste, but even that I use rarely. It would be nice to be able to cut and paste without every app running like a slow f***er.

I might try a full restore tonight and see if that cleans it up a bit.
Syco
Posts: 449
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Anyone got an issue with their iPhone not auto connecting to the home wifi any more? I'm sure it was doing it straight after 3.0 came out but the last week or two I have to manually go into settings and select my network and re-enter the password every time I want to use the home internet on it.

Kinda frustrating.
Hogfather
Posts: 3181
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Hoggy, I agree with you completely (minus just a little bit of rage).

Hah! I re-read my posts sometimes an hour later and realise that anything criticising my Apple products is a massive rant. I don't know why but I start talking about the problems with them and I get heaps e-angry.

See me in person though and I will wax lyrical about how much I love my phone. I think its 3dee's fault somehow, dude is my trigger. I see him spout something direct from the Apple Bulls*** Manual and I see e-red.

True story, brb getting dragons.
3dee
Posts: 4047
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I think the iPhone is revolutionary... **watches behind bushes**
Reverend
Posts: 1374
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Hey peeps i just got an I Phone today and was wondering what sort of cases you lot are using ( and where did you get it ) ???


PS love the phone ))
ravn0s
Posts: 8027
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yer i just got mine today as well and was wondering about cases too. also can anyone recommend some useful apps?
3dee
Posts: 4048
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm just using a Belkin clear thingo whatever its called. Protects the screen good enough. I hate cases on already big phones. Like a tuma in yo pocket.
natslovR
Posts: 6225
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
cases are for f*****s that want their super-sleek iphones to be clunky, oversized and ugly. get a bodyguardz, here's the AU distributor: http://www.scratchproofcovers.com.au/

you don't need a cover, and don't spoil your phone.

I did mine and my mrs's, no problems. I look after mine but hers floats around in her filthy handbag with keys, coins and other s*** bouncing off it all day - no problem.

Here's the official site, http://www.bodyguardz.com I just followed the videos on there and installed it no problem.

last edited by natslovR at 21:50:39 20/Jul/09
ravn0s
Posts: 8028
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yer i just mainly what something to protect it from scratches etc. ill check out that site.
3dee
Posts: 4049
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah mine's like that but its only the screen.
Jabroney
Posts: 1096
Location: Queensland
i got one of these, luv it, dropped it and didnt break

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/slider-case-cl59031
Infidel
Posts: 2946
Location: Netherlands
isnt the 3gs scratchproof? mine seems to be
3dee
Posts: 4050
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Nah it has an oleophobic coating (i.e. fingerprint-less or close).
ravn0s
Posts: 8030
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Nah it has an oleophobic coating (i.e. fingerprint-less or close).


not sure about that because mines covered with fingerprints.

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/slider-case-cl59031


looks a winner but they only ship to US addresses.

edit: can buy the case off the apple store site :)

last edited by ravn0s at 08:11:42 21/Jul/09
mongie
Posts: 6521
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I use a rebel case. Its half hard plastic half soft (silicone)
Clicky
(exactly that one)

Reverend
Posts: 1375
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Hey Ravy i found the rebel cases at http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=854_859 if you are interested im getting one they looks sweet.
Infidel
Posts: 2947
Location: Netherlands
oh you are right, the back of my 3gs already has quite a few scratches :) but luckily screen is still ok
ravn0s
Posts: 8033
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thinking i might go this case:

SwitchEasy RebelSerpent 3G iPhone Case

edit: thanks for that site rev. the cases are $10 cheaper from them.

last edited by ravn0s at 19:16:42 21/Jul/09
Triamks
Posts: 2246
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thanks for that site rev. the cases are $10 cheaper from them.


PCGear hit you with more expensive shipping though. However, I think it still works out cheaper by a few dollars. I'm not sure though, you'll have to work it out. I bought mine from ebay this morning with a free gift :) - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370221735545
ravn0s
Posts: 8035
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yer it ended up being about $5 cheaper with 1-2 days postage instead of 5-7 with the other mob.
jmr
Posts: 6378
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I dont get you people hey, buy a sleek beautifully industrially designed phone, then stick an ugly as f***ing s*** case on it

Just buy insurance, and use it like the tool that it is

I am sure if you bought a nice looking car you wouldn't stick bumper panels on the whole car incase you hit someone parking - you would probably just claim on your insurance if it was bad enough to annoy you
3dee
Posts: 4052
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Or one of those car bra things.
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