As theres a few other TV ep thread I thought I'd ask are any of you guys still watching this crap?

I am seriously about to give up on it... the last maybe 5 episodes have been complete rubbish.

99% emo and 1% action.

It seems to keep jumping off on vaguely related tangents that have f*** all impact on the main storyline... John being emo about girls, Sarah being emo about everything... bitchface being emo about spying on John enough to slit her wrists.

Then they think they've made up for it when they add 1 minute of shirley manson stabbing people and blowing up a barn.

As eK said to me, theres not enough Cameron doing cool s***.


Thoughts, comments?


Heroes is fast catching with the emo/action ratio too... f***ing Claire bulls***... f***. Writers please get a clue!

cameron is hawt

Cameron needs to be doing some pole dancing and some how they need to make that fit in with a story.

Still watching the show but it really has gone off on a tangent, and just on the topic of tangents fast and the furious new movie out on 3rd April 16th in Australia trailer makes the movie look better and all fast and the furious movies to date.

yer the writers where better before they went on their love fest strike. Everything they right now is just utter s***, no action, suspense or anythin interesting.

Needs more cameron kicking ass and taking names, in her panties ;)

and heroes needs more hardcore "bad" guys. I mean what the f*** is the deal with parkmen, he is the faggiest character in the entire show.

"hey my names parkman, i can control ur mind, but i think ill just stand there with my poofter hands in the air and let u capture and torture me instead of using my power to get away"

WTF!!!

parkman isnt a bad guy :/

Parkman is pretty gay. I blame the actor though. Hes just a bit too "family".

Claire is also terrbile. Peter on the other hand is a badass.

I agree that the con chrons needs a bit more action, but I think they're at the stage of developing a long term story arc, so its obviously coming up soon.

It's total s***. It was obvious after the first episode, but I just recently sat through the first 2 seasons so my memory is completely clear on just how bad it is.

It's almost just bad because it /could/ have been so incredibly awesome.

It suffers from Smallvill-itis - an awesome concept but woefully executed. I would have made both these shows in the same sort of style - more about the trials and tribulations of living a secret life and less every week fighting another Kryptonite-mutated superhero or Yet Another f***ing Terminator sent back through time. Seriously? We have 3 movies with 3 Terminators sent back over a period of like 20 years and then all of a sudden its RAINING people sent back through time.

The answer, of course, is always going to be "oh time travel", because once you have time travel in a story it f***s it all up and makes it retarded (see: Peter F Hamilton's latest book, what the f***).

If the story had just been John and Sarah on the run from the cops, training him in the ways of the jedi, dealing with normal high school issues whilst knowing he's the saviour of mankind (and not in the stupid emo way he does at the moment with that boring blonde chick), that could have been really something.

I think Lena Headly is pretty good as Sarah (although she's no Linda Hamilton, at least she's nice on the eyes) and even John I don't mind, I just think he's been shafted with a crappy role. Basically every other single person in the show is a Terminator though and they are all lame; they almost ALL have this dog-like tendency to tilt their head on the side to show that they're thinking about something. And they all have stupid quips as almost every single line.

Let's be honest here, basically the only reason to keep watching this show is to find out whether or not John nails Cameron. Or for more Summer Glau sideboob. It has no other redeeming features.

In conclusion, only HBO should be allowed to make TV shows. Just like Cameron (James, not the female Terminator variety) should be the only one allowed to make Terminator movies.

The effect? I'll tell you the effect! It's PISSING ME OFF!

The answer, of course, is always going to be "oh time travel", because once you have time travel in a story it f***s it all up and makes it retarded (see: Peter F Hamilton's latest book, what the f***).

There was time travel in 'Temporal Void' ? I must have slept through that chapter. Oh wait, you mean the water walker guy? I don't have a problem with it, as it was in an alternate universe that shapes itself specfic to what you want given that you have enough 'psychic' ability. It also explains why so many people are so keen to travel to the void as they see it as an opportunity to live a perfect life that you can rewind any mistakes you make.

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It also explains why so many people are so keen to travel to the void as they see it as an opportunity to live a perfect life that you can rewind any mistakes you make.

I was getting so pumped at the end of that book because all that s*** was going down, people were dying left right and centre, betrayal, general mayhem - it was awesome! And then just when I thought I was about to explode from joy in reading a book where they're not scared to kill of characters people like, he goes back in time. SNORE!@#!@#!@#!@

Oh, and sorry...

I actually quite liked Garbage, but Shirley Manson is THE WORST actress EVER!

I could not even get through the first episode of this show. It's unbelievably crap. I felt slightly compelled to keep watching just because it's Terminator, but then I thought that I would just be wasting my time and not enjoying one second of it.

Connor btw, not Conner.

I like the show but the last two eps have been complete ass. Who the f*** gives a s*** about Sarah and her f***ing dreams for f***s sake????

What I want to see are more terminators sent back, more action and more of Cameron busting skulls. I just wish Sarah and John would die already leaving Cameron and Derek to keep the action alive. John dying won't be a problem seeing as he is gonna die in the future and be replaced by a skin-job anyway.

The perfect story would be Cromartie going beserk and escaping. He catches Sarah and puts a fist thru her skull. Meanwhile, Cameron, Jesse and Riley have a three-way.

I really enjoyed the first season. I completely agree that the second has gone down hill.

What I want to see are more terminators sent back, more action and more of Cameron busting skulls.

That would be unutterably gay

The perfect story would be Cromartie going beserk and escaping. He catches Sarah and puts a fist thru her skull. Meanwhile, Cameron, Jesse and Riley have a three-way.

that would be totally awesome

They should have stuck to the intended 13 episodes per season instead of having to fill the show out to 22 episodes.

SPOILER VIDEO

Just found a nice 3 minute video showing upcoming events over the next 6 eps of the season. Prolly only showing the best parts but the last bit with John lying on top of Cameron looks interesting.

8-)

the show is clearly run on a tight budget - god damn credit crisis!

no money for decent cgi :(

I stopped watching in season 2, I liked the idea of it, but it raelly didn't hold my attention

I don't hate the show, or think it's particularly bad, but it could be so much more. The number of terminators that get sent back is a bit silly, but sometimes it'd done pretty well. I really liked the episode about the Terminator that got sent back way too far, and accidentally killed someone he wasn't supposed to in the process. He had to take on the endeavors that his victim was supposed to do, just so he could complete his mission. I thought that was really cool.

I'm going to keep watching it, but it sure as hell could be a lot better.

atleast we got see to cameron in her underwear in last weeks ep.

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If they've already gone about sending rando terminators back... keep doing it if not solely for the action!

Send term back > fight with Cameron > Cameron wins * repeat many times in different scenarios

It would be far more entertaining than this emo bulls***!


On that note... why wouldn't you just send back a buttload of terminators at the same time. Is there some reason that is stopping the machines in the future from doing this?


On the topic of Heroes... I'd be so pissed if I were in Hayden's shoes... they have totally ruined her character into a stupid emo bitch.

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I think Heroes would be so much better without Claire and Hiro

Obviously they wont kill Claire because then the geeks won't have anything to jerk off to

I think Heroes would be so much better without Claire and Hiro

I actually stopepd watching because of those 2 storylines. : /

Yeah stopped watching after about 4-5 eps into the second seasons. It's complete crap.

Spoiler:
I can't believe that bitch killed Riley


Good ep though. Massive improvement over the last couple.

Watched this weeks episode. First I've seen for a long time. It was gay...like a soap opera. This show needs to die as soon as possible. Less puberty, more robots, guns and naked terminators.

this show is better in some respects than t1 and to a lesser extent t2. its leagues above t3 and no doubt way better than that new christian bale s***pile.

its not that great, but neither is the franchise. take it for what it is nerds

I'm persisting with it out of loyalty to the franchise, but seriously, how could they manage to f*** this up so badly?

The biggest problem with this show is Sarah Connor. She's thoroughly unconvincing as the protagonist. Its not the actor's fault eally, she's been given a bunch of whiney introverted emo storylines to work with. Sarah just isn't that - she's mental hardcore and driven without mercy towards the future.

A TV show is an awesome way to expand on a movie's canon and really develop the world of the setting. They could have done so much with this! Instead a season and a half into it we still have the same f***ing skynet throwing s*** at John from the future stuff that's been the staple of three goddamn movies.

What the f***? Did the Business Case for the production of this thing specifically preclude ANY f***ing developments to the Terminator world?

actually sarah is a normal woman protecting her son out of paternal and world-saving neccessity. you couldnt have hoped for a better portrayal of her character, short of somehow casting Linda Hamilton 20 years ago

actually sarah is a normal woman protecting her son out of paternal and world-saving neccessity. you couldnt have hoped for a better portrayal of her character, short of somehow casting Linda Hamilton 20 years ago

Yeh well you've established in record time that your opinion isn't worth squat so I'm glad you disagree.

im glad your a moron who wouldnt know good characterization of it climbed into his urethra and made a home there peace

This show has become sooooooooooooo decompressed, its like it was meant to be a 13 episode season and they've been made to pad it out to 24 episodes or something.

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Can't believe they f***ing killed Derek, and he went down like a chump too, such a lame death. At least Charlie went down fighting. Did it not get picked up for another season? Seems like they're wrapping up a lot of loose ends and killing lots of characters in the past few episodes.

Yeah, this could have been such an awesome show but they really f***ed up season 2. Whoever is writing their stories should be shot. The two things that really killed it were John and Sarah. If they died at the beginning it would have been so much better just having Cameron and Derek going around kicking ass.

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/17-04/ff_terminator_timeline

Think the show is good. Want them to get back to the storyline of the flying robotic spaceship thing that flew into the back of that semi...

You could tell before they even aired the first episode it was going to be s***. Female terminator? haha. Hot mum? haha. Emo kid? DIE YOU LITTLE s***.

I gotta disagree. Until recently the show I've been really looking forward to has been House, but this has now taken over. The writing of the whole John Henry storyline has been really well done!

You have got to be gay.

Season 2 has been s***, I'm glad half the boring characters are dead now. The last episode, episode 21 was good so I'm back into it now.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/action_movies.png

hjahahah lmao xkcd is so funnay

It's funnier than you.

cant believe they made derrick go out so lamely.

So we finally get to see some cameron booty in episode 22. Good episode best so far massive twist of things.

Oh and cameron basically does beat everyone up.

I really hope there is a season 3.

I've been pretty happy with the last few episodes, and I'm looking forward to season 3.

Derek was s***, so was Riley and the other stupid woman with the Aussie' accent.'

Derek was s***

f*** off, you're s***.

right at the very end when you see where john arrived in the future you hear something....I can't make it out.

Is it sarah saying I love you?

It sounded like Sarah saying "I love you too..."

The only thing that aussie woman was good at was being a bitch :P
Derek was good, just wasn't involved enough.

It did take a good twist in the end its an attempt to save it.

That was pretty rad actually.

the other stupid woman with the Aussie' accent.'

She's actually Australian. She was on Pizza and Home & Away.

Her accent sounded more new zealand than australian to me. But yeah, that was actually a pretty awesome season finale, if the season ran for say 13 episodes instead of 22 they might have stood a better chance of keeping that level of intensity up throughout the season, but as it was, it was just too strung out with too many episodes of filler crap where nothing happened.

Still, I'm hoping they do a season 3 now just cos it looks like it has potential to be pretty awesome, and Derek is back! That almost makes up for killing him in such a lame way in the past, or present, or whatever the f***. Damn time travel stories, play havoc with tenses.

That was a pretty rad finale. So is Kyle the leader of the resistance in the future he went to? Looked that way.

Yeah it appeared kyle was in charge and derek didnt even know who john was.

Have to say though, the kyle reese in the show is pretty s*** compared to Michael Biehn's Kyle Reese in the first movie. He looks more like a pretty-boy, blonde haired surfer than a hardcore soldier.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/AntonYelchin08TIFF.jpg

^ kyle reese

The Kyle Reece in the show is way younger than Michael Beihn's character. The Reece in the show hasn't hooked up with Sarah yet. The Reece in the movie was sent beck to protect Sarah by John Connor. The pretty-boy has some 'hardening the f*** up to do'.

Nah, even in the episodes where Sarah Connor was hallucinating about Kyle Reese, he was still the young pretty boy.

You know whats worse? Sarah Conner is now a brunette.

Seriously, who gives a s***?

He looks more like a pretty-boy, blonde haired surfer than a hardcore soldier.

Yeah, I agree, doesn't quite look right. It's not too distracting though.

You know whats worse? Sarah Conner is now a brunette.

But she's far hotter now, so it's okay.

I don't think that the Kyle Reese from that episode knew the significance of John Connor as a Great Leader or whatever though he might well of recognised from when they met in that park when Kyle was a kid. Or he might have just thought that John looked a lot like him.

wow, that photo nF posted is like the final nail in the coffin of that series as far as I'm concerned

He's traveled forward into a time in which Kyle never died and no John Connor since he's traveled into the future and/or died afterwards.

Nah, there's just no future John Connor becuase he disappeared in present day. So I'd say present day John Connor becomes a new future John Connor.

Nah, there's just no future John Connor becuase he disappeared in present day. So I'd say present day John Connor becomes a new future John Connor.

Ah yes, this makes more sense. John could (and probably will) still send Kyle back to protect his mother in Terminator 1.

^ I think that solves the paradox that has been with the concept from day dot.

Anyone know if this has actually been renewed yet?

And what the significance (if any) of the "I love you too" through the portal at the end of the ep?

trog, that's actually kyle reece in the MOVIE terminator salvation, not in the series. which kinda makes sense that he'd be younger, since the movie is set in 2018, whereas the original michael biehn character came back from 2035 or some such.

this is the kyle reece in the show

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjIyNzg1OTk0MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTIxNjczMg@@._V1._CR0,0,1217,1217_SS80_.jpg

Kyle Reece in the show (Erik's pic isn't working for me):

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/S_Z/Ta_Th/Terminator_SarahConnorChronicles/season2/terminator_sarah_connor127.jpg

Good to know that in the future, when we're at war with the machines, the soldiers who fight for our future still have time to style their hair.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WQdJeaAwvyk/SZaaxMW-LbI/AAAAAAAABO0/PcBKRyp-FJ4/s400/jonathanjackson1.bmp


Whoever did the casting was on crack though, who would look at this guy and go "Yep, thats my Kyle Reese".
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/Erika_PLJ/Sarah Connor Chronicles/10f.jpg

trog, that's actually kyle reece in the MOVIE terminator salvation, not in the series. which kinda makes sense that he'd be younger, since the movie is set in 2018, whereas the original michael biehn character came back from 2035 or some such.

Oh.. that's not good either :(

compare that to Michael f***ing Biehn; google images is failing me and this is all I can find, but f*** he's awesome:

http://trog.qgl.org/up/biehn-reese.jpg

Just before they go in to meet with Catherine Weaver, John and Sarah have a conversation about Cameron's allegations of Sarah being sick. As they get up to go into Weaver's office, John says "I love you". Maybe Sarah's "I love you too" at the end was just a whisper of what she said as he disappeared. A touching moment to show the fans that Sarah isn't just a hardcore, emo, terminating, terminator killer. If anyone has news on whether or not this definitely coming back, let us know.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/7/72/T1_Kyle_Reese_2029.JPG

Lulz.

http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/NESGameCovers/Metal Gear.jpg

http://images.projectstripe.com/michaelbiehn.jpg

Whoever did the casting was on crack though, who would look at this guy and go "Yep, thats my Kyle Reese"

maybe because he and the guy playing john look alike?

If the series does continue, it's pretty cool that John Henry took Camerons chip.

No doubt John Connor will get that chip back an re-insert it into that Cameron model with Kyle Reese.

Haha, after nF's pic, the casting of Kyle in the TV show doesn't actually seem that bad, they just needed to make him look less pretty, like they obviously have in Terminator 1. He is still a little young though.

I'm not so sure the Cameron with Kyle Reese was a terminator, notice how they made a point of her patting the dog and the dog liking her?

Makes sense that she was a real person that Connor got to know and trust, then the machines send a terminator that looks like her to infiltrate his base and kill him.

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Yeah I thought that too. I'd say she's human. However, somewhere along the series they'll make a terminator based on her. Why else would the writers make John Henry take her chip into the future? To write that same character back into the show.

Ya, I think the Cameron in the future is Alison (her former human self) and I think that John will remodel a robot after her (maybe she dies and gets rebuilt robostyle).
And don't forget that John Henry didn't take the chip from her...she gave it to him.

Indeed she did...anyone know why? Besides him saying join us?


John Henry character/terminator was awesome and freaky at the same time. Especially with that lil grin he did.

So no more Mr Ellison in series three then? (if it happens) I can't see him being written into the future for that matter. Same with Sarah really. It'll probably be called John Connor Chronicles...

yer that was definitely allison at the end.

I think that John will remodel a robot after her

there was a cameron centric episode showing how she came to being. allison was captured by skynet etc and they made a terminator that looked like her (cameron) who then killed her.

I'm not so sure the Cameron with Kyle Reese was a terminator, notice how they made a point of her patting the dog and the dog liking her?

Yeah that angered me.

The casting of the dog i mean. As if a dog that's in a resistance thats fighting with every resource it can scrounge would have such prefect knot-free hair and such a shine to its coat. Looks like it wandered straight off the field at a dog show onto the set. As if resistance fighters would have time in their schedules to brush their dog twice a day and bathe it every 3 days.

http://images.projectstripe.com/terminatordog.jpg
Whoever did the casting was on chump to see that dog and go "yep, thats a resistance dog."

Just to clarify something, John Henry's body now has Cameron's chip yeah? So it's essentially Cameron in a dude's body? Or have I missed something?

Might be something in that Midda....can't remember if it was said that he has her chip inside him...but it does make sense that he is now able to get up and detach from that matrix cord hanging out of his head. Cameron must have had a wireless chip hehe

almost gave up on this show a few times, but the last few episodes were pretty good. though especially in the last one there was a s***-ton of stuff that just didn't make any sense.

actually you're right midda.

I forgot bout that.

As if a dog that's in a resistance thats fighting with every resource it can scrounge would have such prefect knot-free hair and such a shine to its coat. Looks like it wandered straight off the field at a dog show onto the set.

I know, its hopeless, they need to fire their casting director before the next season.

I hear trog made spoiler tags ...

I used them and copped a 5min post timer for about 2 years now.

How bout ya use them!

Hey, just a question..If John Henry has Cameron's chip inside him, how did he put it there? I mean, he would had to have taken Cameron's chip out to start with (making her inactive), then replace his own with hers. Once he pulls his chip out, he would then be inactive also. What's the deal with the cord anyway? Was it just an ethernet cable or was it a power supply too? Does he have a chip bay where Cameron has one?

Dont worry about it anyway. According to the internet Fox isn't giving this show another run.

story here

CBR: To begin, the second season finale of “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” aired the other night and had a mind-blowing ending that made the episode feel more like a series finale. Was that intentional?

Brian Austin Green: No. The third season is going to be incredible, if it happens. There were no intentions of this being a series finale. It was absolutely a season finale. There’s a plan where this can go and it’s so good. You know, I went on some of the Terminator sites just to see what fans were saying Friday night and there is a lot of confusion over it.

This is very good news if it's true

Cool Article.

Unfortunately...

According to Michael Ausiello over at Entertainment Weekly, two “inside sources” are telling him that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been canceled, and all that’s left is for FOX to make it official with an announcement. Unfortunately for everyone involved (but especially the fans holding out for a third season), FOX won’t be doing any such thing until May 18, when they roll out their Fall Schedule to the press.

Hey, just a question..If John Henry has Cameron's chip inside him, how did he put it there? I mean, he would had to have taken Cameron's chip out to start with (making her inactive), then replace his own with hers. Once he pulls his chip out, he would then be inactive also. What's the deal with the cord anyway? Was it just an ethernet cable or was it a power supply too? Does he have a chip bay where Cameron has one?

He didn't have a chip, all that computer hardware behind him was his 'chip,' and it was what was controlling the body. He was probably able to just put in Cameron's, then unplug himself from the computer.

herself

yeah I just read on moviehole.net it's not coming back.


But do you reckon they do this to see if they get a reaction from the fans?


With Prison Break, when they killed off Sarah, fans refused to watch it so they ended writing her back into season 3.

Hope it does comes back...But I guess we know John Connor becomes the leader of the resistance, what more drawn out details can they tell?

herself

Well, I think the gender is purely defined by the current body.

there's a thread about that on this forum somewhere if i recall correctly.

With Prison Break, when they killed off Sarah, fans refused to watch it so they ended writing her back into season 3.

The actress that played Sarah had a baby, and was not available to film Prison Break.

they should give it atleast 1 more season. the movie is being released shortly so i think a few people will get into terminator and tune into the show.

yeah I just read on moviehole.net it's not coming back.

Emo's around the world will mourn.

Kinda sounds like the jury is still out on the fate of this show. I read the article at Moviehole and there was no definite cancellation.

personally i'd rather they let it finish on a high note, than let fox axe it half way through a budget 3rd season.

I'd like to see a network who gives a s*** pick it up, like Sci-Fi or something.