News article with video:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25105313-661,00.html


f***in disgusting that is, i hope they catch those f***in illegal c***s and send them back to the s***hole they came from.

edit by trog: fixed link, changed to Herald Sun original

better link

poor f***er. that's a harsh attack. send those illegals home.

f*** me, its amazing he lived thru blows to the head like that.

nothing will get done if my experience is anything to go by.

f*** thats insane. cant believe he walked away from that.

nothing will get done if my experience is anything to go by.

story?

Tiny and some mates got bashed a few weeks ago by a gang of Sudanese come to think of it. Fukin purple c***s

I've been saying it.... DO NOT buy a house near annerley. These c***s will hurt your value. Old whitey doesn't take kindly to them coloureds doing bad things.

Yeah and I am aware this shiz happened in melbourne.

last edited by ctd at 00:25:14 26/Feb/09

LOL

That tall guy tries to kick the dude and almost falls over. What a c***.

People like this need to be stripped naked in a field and shot in the head.

That's some pretty clear CCTV footage.

That would be some very solid jail time for all 3 if they're caught.

The dirty turds probably wouldn't blend in well in jail.

yer they got some good footage of their faces. wouldnt surprise me of they caught them in a few days.

The racism in this thread is heart warming.

*shrug* ... maybe if some other sudanese got together and beat these 3 up we'd change our tune ?

http://i42.tinypic.com/21afwir.jpg

eye for an eye baby!

When these oxygen thieves are caught they need to be slammed up against the wall and have the s*** kicked out them.

justice

s*** like that makes my blood boil.

I seriously hope they get caught and put away for a good amount of time. Scums.

another islamic minority speaking through violence how poetic

I disagree with your hatred because it is hatred. There is no such thing as good hatred, any hatred just breeds more of what you saw in the video.

I also disagree about them needing to be beaten to a pulp, punching someone back doesn't solve anything, it just starts a bigger fight.

I do agree that this kind of thing starts with the parents, but you also need to be aware that sometimes the parents are unable to provide the right kind of support for their children through no fault of their own.

If they are indeed refugees, chances are these kids grew up their entire lives surrounded by this kind of violence, and it's in the places that that happens where the most serious issues need to be solved.

Bats*** it's pretty f***ing hard to show some tolerance when f***s get taken in by this country then piss on the people and laws of this land. You can throw that f***ing word (racist) around all you like if it makes you feel all f***ing superior. It doesn't change the fact that any c*** coming here has a f***ing obligation to live by the f***ing laws we are all suposed to live by.

Quite frankly if you move here from some other s***hole and you break the laws your citizenship should be forfeited and once you have done the time in jail you should be punted the f*** out.

last edited by Taipan at 03:03:49 26/Feb/09

Yes, the problem with your opinion is that it doesn't address the long term, you see the symptom now and you want to address it directly. How do you expect to address the issues that caused these people to act the way they did while simultaneously "discontinuing their lives"? When they see their like being "discontinued" they're certainly not going to be open to anything we have to try to offer.

I don't really expect to change your opinion in the space of two posts on a gaming forum, but I hope that it at least gives you something to consider next time you think about this kind of thing.
It's not "overly nice" to try to understand where these people are coming from, one of the biggest problems people have these days is that they are completely unable to see anything from any point of view but their own, which is why so many people are so utterly selfish. And don't get me wrong, I'm still saying things need to be done, and I still think these guys need to be punished according to our laws.

As for the comment about parents, I agree with you. You might have read my post before I ninja edited in a few words I realised I missed or just misread it...

Its a good thing groups of Caucasians never do s*** like this.

My mistake, its practically always f***head Australian-born caucasians doing this kind of thing in Australia. The racism in this thread is ridiculous

I'm surprised none of you racist spazholes have commented about the asian couple that walks past.
There is something wrong with those 3 guys, not Sudanese immigrants.

I don't give a f*** that they're black or probably not born here, they still belong in gaol after that s***

I still would have loved to have been there to deal out some swift vigilante justice

what the f***?

some dude is getting his head smashed against a wall by 3 sudanese and a 5 foot asian dude and his girlfriend are going to break it up?

remember what happened to the last bloke who tried to be a hero in melbourne?

MELBOURNE (AFP) — A good Samaritan who tried to rescue a woman being dragged by her hair on a busy Melbourne street was shot dead Monday and two other people were wounded when her attacker opened fire, police said.

Police have launched a massive manhunt to find the killer who started shooting in the city's central business district during morning rush hour.

Witnesses said the man, a 43-year-old lawyer, was one of two men who rushed to help the young woman when they saw a man dragging her out of a taxi.

"She was screaming and a guy had her by the hair," Ross Murchie told national radio.

"The couple of bystanders went over to ask what was happening. He let go of her hair, pulled out a gun and shot them all."

Police praised the dead man, saying his last act was one of extreme bravery.

Yeah how much do you wish you were that asian couple that walked by. Would have karate chopped those brothers.

nf, the guy involved in that case was on Gangs of Oz last night, he was a bikie gang member and a meth phreak - fairly unlucky to find yourself in that situation

I'm not racist - I discriminate against f***wits of all colours equally.

I'm sick of countries (Australia) accepting f***ed up immigrants. These people have grown up surrounded by death and violence and little to no education - what benefit is it to anyone to bring them to Australia? All they do is bring their problems with them and become another welfare sponge, and in these cases attack innocent people and seemingly enjoy doing it.

The problem here is that people are quick to react to the fact that the bashers are foreign, and therefore generalise their criminal behaviour to the group as a whole without thinking about a bigger picture. Here's a thought experiment: imagine the total number of bashings in one year, and who the perpetrators are in all the different cases. I don't actually know the answer, but I'm guessing the majority of criminals will be people born and raised in Australia. If that were so, why do we think it's justified to say we can stop people coming into our country just because of one instance of bad behaviour?

Careful Le Cock. You might say exactly what Pauline Hanson used to say, and get taken completely out of context, misquoted, and spat on.

You need to learn to say it the way Costello does... says exactly the same thing yet somehow, no criticism. Wait, that's odd...

You're counting Aboriginals though.

Bats*** it's pretty f***ing hard to show some tolerance when f***s get taken in by this country then piss on the people and laws of this land. You can throw that f***ing word (racist) around all you like if it makes you feel all f***ing superior. It doesn't change the fact that any c*** coming here has a f***ing obligation to live by the f***ing laws we are all suposed to live by.

Quite frankly if you move here from some other s***hole and you break the laws your citizenship should be forfeited and once you have done the time in jail you should be punted the f*** out.

You've gone on a crazy tangent. This s*** should not be tolerated, but why bring the race factor into it? Everything you've said I agree with but people shouldn't be throwing around phrases like "purple c***". You just know they want to use n***** but they know it will get them banned.

last edited by Bats*** at 10:10:56 26/Feb/09

The poor people who perpertrated these crimes simply need to be listnened to.

imagine the total number of bashings in one year, and who the perpetrators are in all the different cases.

There's a problem with this logic.

Say there's 100 bashings a year. Lets make up some figures - 57% are by whites, 12% by asians, 6% by blacks and 25% by other miscellaneous minorities.

Okay, so from that we conclude that the majority of crimes are committed by whites. But then we need to look at the figures a little deeper. Again, lets just make up some figures for the purpose of this example. There's a population of 20 million people total. Of those 86% (17.2m) are white, 4% (800,000) are asian, 6% are black (1.2m) and the remaining 4% (800000) are misc.
If you factored in those figures, you can say that 1:300000 whites commit violent crimes, 1:66,666 asians, 1:200000 by blacks and 1:32000 by others.

Omitting details from calculating statistics and only stating the ones that benefit your argument is an art.

spot on, what we should do is make them all white
whip out the skin bleach

all you white knights crying racism is funny.

I'm lucky i even saw this video as i've been flooded with all the youtubes of sudanese doing great things for humanity recently

More evidence security cameras don't prevent crime. Hopefully the footage is useful in bringing the criminals to justice though.

what is it with you and security cameras
that isn't evidence that they don't prevent crime - it's only evidence that they didn't prevent that crime

I bet I can find at least one other crime somewhere in the world that security camera is directly responsible for not preventing

Security cameras aren't about preventing crime, and whoever told you that needs their head checked. They're about providing accountability *when* a crime happens.
They're not magic ffs.

I bet you can't trog, although I'm guessing you probably just poorly chose your wording

Security cameras most certainly are a deterrent. They aren't a prevention, and noone advertises them as such I don't think.

When those blokes are picking up the soap they'll wish they had noticed the camera.

I'm surprised none of you racist spazholes have commented about the asian couple that walks past.

Yeah I noticed those f***s just thinking of themselves, the least they could is call the police.. Those asians are almost as bad as the primitive f***s bashing that poor dudes head in.. Did you see the state he was in after he got up?? I just wonder what the extent of his head injuries are.

you can't prevent crimes with them simply because the kinds of people who perpetrate these crimes obviousy do not think they're going to get caught

security cameras or not, people still steal fuel
people still bash other people
people still steal s*** when they're on camera etc

its the fear of getting caught that stops people from doing it; you need a physical presence to prevent a crime

last edited by tequila at 11:43:06 26/Feb/09

Security cameras aren't about preventing crime, and whoever told you that needs their head checked. They're about providing accountability *when* a crime happens.

Heh that's not the justification for deploying them at all.. that's just what they end up getting used for because it's all they can do. The justification is that they're a deterrent - because they give people a false sense of security. This has been proven to be pretty much false everytwhere in the world where the results have been investigated.

There's some interesting stuff on wikipedia about the evolution of the process in the UK (where there was apparently a report back in 94 showing they reduced crime and that's what the govt used as a basis for their more widespread deployment, and now they're everywhere).

Say no to video cameras! Don't believe bulls*** security theatre. Don't feel safer if you're under one; chances are you'll be dead and the person that did it will just be on trial watching the evidence of him killing you - but you'll still be dead.

you are really saying we shoudlnt have more security cameras?

why, what are you doing that you dont want filmed?

Speaking of security cameras. We were getting stuff flogged from the shelves at work, we knew who it was but just couldn't catch them doing it. Anyway, these retards mustn't have seen the six or so cameras around the store and by luck they were in clear view, faces and all opening cases and stealing the discs from inside. So we finally had them on camera but the story gets even better. LOL

The other night three of these losers come in and one of them wants to join the store. So I get all his details, they hire some porn and leave. I gave their details to the boss, he called them and told them to bring everything back or the police will be involved. About 20 or so minutes later one guy came back with about 10 discs.

Worlds dumbest criminals.

trogs too scared of george orwells 1984?

disgusting violence

Trog,

I'd rather be dead and have the perps caught on camera, with that footage used in their trial, than be dead and have them out there running free.

Trog,

I'd rather be dead and have the perps caught on camera, with that footage used in their trial, than be dead and have them out there running free.

what if all the money that was spent on cameras was spent on something else that actually DID prevent crime? then you wouldn't be dead and they wouldn't be in jail

how would you know what justification is used for every security camera installed trog? I'm not even sure whether the justification used even has a lot of merit as to whether or not they can be useful anyway, or whether their cost justifies their use. surely that can only be determined on an area-by-area basis, given the variables involved

here's another article about security cameras: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/police-camera-crime.htm

it is preventing these crimes from happening again, by helping the police capture the bad guys

it is my experience that security cameras always help capture the bad guys;

theres not an episode of the bill (uk cops show) where they dont check security cams

and the bill always nick their crims

also, yer sure it would be better to have more cops patrolling, but im pretty sure coppas cost a fair bit more than security cameras do

last edited by Spook at 11:59:15 26/Feb/09

Haha Rev, great story.

Trog's just anti-video camera since he was caught on Google Street View

I really don't know what you guys expected that couple walking by to do? I mean f***ing seriously I wouldn't stick my nose into that s*** if I had my missus with me not in a million years. If I was on my own there would be a 1,000 times more chance of me saying or doing something and if I had one or more mates then absolutely I would I stopped. Of course the guy might of just got his missus out of there then gone back but if you tae a look at him he's like half the height of the tallest one there.

The best thing for that couple would of been the exit the tunnel fast and get on the phone to the cops or find some help quickly. Sorry but I'd never put my other half in the firing line... just not going to happen.

last edited by Taipan at 12:13:16 26/Feb/09

ditto taipan, walking through there with my mrs = i'm going to keep walking, get her safe and then do whatever i can to help

walking through there alone = i'd call the cops and then find a big ass metal pole, walk back in with it behind me and keep my head down until i was within whacking distance and just start going nuts on them

walking through there with mates = i'd just beat down on them and call the cops to come collect what would be left

different situations call for different answers

sorry for the double post just wanted to add something about what trog said.

Cameras are a good thing to have but should never take the place of feet on the ground. Cameras are like putting a cheap ass lock on a locker at work they only keep the honest people honest. Speed cameras are no different they don't stop speeding they are just a more effective way of removing money from people without addressing the issue, dare I say it they are just a cheap cop out to provide people with a false sense that something is aparently being done while raising cash.

A camera isn't going to stop a kid from wrapping his car around a light post and killing himself and all his mates. However had they been pulled over by the cops 5 minutes earlier there is a damn good chance the accident would never of happened. Cameras are all about after the fact and I am sorry but after the fact means f*** all if people are dead.

walking through there alone = i'd call the cops and then find a big ass metal pole, walk back in with it behind me and keep my head down until i was within whacking distance and just start going nuts on them

so even with a kid on the way you would risk your life to help a stranger?

walking through there alone = i'd call the cops and then find a big ass metal pole, walk back in with it behind me and keep my head down until i was within whacking distance and just start going nuts on them

If you timed it just right, the cops would walk in on you laying into them with a pole .. yeah they'd definitely be on your side.

so even with a kid on the way you would risk your life to help a stranger?

Yes.

would you want help if you were being beaten to death?
I sure as s*** would, sorry but I just couldn't leave someone to be killed when there's something I can do to stop it - the world will turn to s*** without people willing to help others.

and Saint, pole or not the whole thing would be on video camera still ;)
you think a jury is going to send me to gaol for hospitalising 3 immigrants that brutally beat a stranger nearly to death?

I'd put money on the fact that I'm bigger than the biggest guy in that video, he wouldn't really worry me so much as having to take him + his mates, hence the pole

its easy to say 'i would have helped' in hindsight and the knowledge that it was unprovoked, but that couple walking through halfway through wouldn't have any idea. for all they know the white kid could have started it (unlikely, but some people are that stupid and reckless)

last edited by Jum at 12:42:59 26/Feb/09

Who seriously spends so long trawling through google maps to find pictures of trog ?

More evidence security cameras don't prevent crime.

Maybe they aren't meant to prevent ALL crime, but if it prevents even 1 crime, prevents 1 woman from being raped, or 1 kid from being smashed.... ?

Besides it probably cheaper then the costs of locking someone up and treating the victum of even 1 crime.

Heck if this results in a conviction, and then possibly prevents them commiting another crime, with its assoctiated costs. It's a tiny price compared to cost of treating a transplant patient.


Unfortunately there is no way to prove it prevented a single crime, but you have no way to prove it hasn't.

well you don't just walk up and start swinging, you ask wtf is going on first
but you're likely going to be met with swearing and abuse/violence
once they hit you, you're 100% in the right when you hit them back - self defence

I'd like to think most people are smart enough to put 2 & 2 together (it's 4 by the way)
you see a kid on the ground bleeding, 3 thugs standing over him going through his bag late at night..

they're robbing the guy obviously.

I've had fights over lesser incidents, ie some bloke shoving his mrs around or abusing her etc, i got no problems knocking out a guy whos beating on a woman
even if its just a slap or something he's still taking advantage of the fact that hes stronger than her, imo he needs to know what its like to be in her situation and i'm happy to oblige

I'm wondering why the couple walked through. If I turned a corner into a subway at midnight to see 3 black dudes and a guy lying on the ground, I'd do a 180 and start going back the way I came.

unfortunately for you ticman those kind of thugs prey upon those who show fear
they would NEVER try and attack someone who might put up a half decent fight, they're obviously attacking a guy they know can't do any damage to them

unfortunately for you ticman those kind of thugs prey upon those who show fear
they would NEVER try and attack someone who might put up a half decent fight, they're obviously attacking a guy they know can't do any damage to them

Maybe, but if I'm with wifey and there's 3 of them and 1 of me - I'm doing my best to avoid trouble. Fear or not, there's things more important in the world than being tough man on campus for a minute or two.

yeah lol I let myself day dream about what I would have done to them
after watching 'The Tudors' recently I saw in one particular fight where this guy stuck his thumbs into another guys eye sockets
how awesome is that, obviously a very vulnerable place to get someone when you've got them on the ground

only bad thing about that is you'd have 3 more immigrants on welfare

Maybe, but if I'm with wifey and there's 3 of them and 1 of me

yep, already stated I wouldn't do anything to endanger my partner
I'd just go call the police and best case see if i could round up a security guard or just a couple of blokes near by to help out while my mrs was inside a secure building (train station/7-11 whatever)

last edited by tequila at 12:56:54 26/Feb/09

last edited by tequila at 12:57:35 26/Feb/09

how would you know what justification is used for every security camera installed trog? I'm not even sure whether the justification used even has a lot of merit as to whether or not they can be useful anyway, or whether their cost justifies their use. surely that can only be determined on an area-by-area basis, given the variables involved

I read a bunch of security blogs (like the one I linked and a few others) and they're always covering when places are planning to put in new video cameras and their justifications for why they're doing them... admittedly its not every security camera but for lots of the ones being put in by governments the goals are usually vague half-assed things like keeping us safe from terrorists.

I think they're good things to have anyway for after the fact for sure though.. just pointing out that there's a common misconception that they actually stop/reduce crime, which statistically does not appear to be the case at all. It's good that they can help the law in their inquiries after a crime is committed.

heh i dunno about you guys, but those 3 chumps wouldn't go anyone with some decent size about them.

they have arms like match sticks, i sure as f*** wouldn't be handing my s*** over without a fight

Henri Ducard: What are you seeking?
Bruce Wayne: I seek the means to fight injustice, to turn fear against those who prey on the fearful.

pave and I would smash them

I find that people tend to forget how fragile life is. You could be the toughest mofo to ever walk the earth yet something like a slip off the bottom step at home and bump to the head could end it all so easily.

When you pick a fight or throw a punch you need to have it very clearly in your head that it could be the very last thing you ever do. On the other side of the coin it could be the last thing you ever do as a free man.

I don't know about you guys but I believe there are worse things than death. Like being locked up for 25 years in a tiny box only to watch the best part of your life slowly drift away each day until there is nothing worth having left.

That being said there are things in life worth fighting for or at the very least standing up for. In that situation with that guy laying there being beaten I would probably from at least some distance reminder those d*******s that there is cameras in there and the police would soon be on the scene.

The point of which may only be to distract the thugs for a short time and possibly make them reconsider what they are doing. If in that case they choose to come after me ... well then I would have a couple of quick choices to make. I have no problem with helping someone out but I will do everything I can to try and make good smart choices based on the situation as it presents itself to me.

That guy was probably lucky to of lived through that attack as I said life is fragile. No one deserves to die in such a manner over something as small as robbery or even a few harsh words (if thats what happened).

last edited by Taipan at 13:20:02 26/Feb/09

No one deserves to die in such a manner

except the thugs

they could have easily taken his bag and ran off,

i think it's pretty clear that they probably knew him or knew of him, as this ethnic type of groups are fairly close nit and all move to the same area ie. moorooka

it just looks like there is a bit more to it and wanting what is in his bag..

i think it's pretty clear that they probably knew him or knew of him

bulls***, same thing happened to me.

And i put up and struggle and they just beat me worse so there goes that theory.

heh i dunno about you guys, but those 3 chumps wouldn't go anyone with some decent size about them.

they have arms like match sticks, i sure as f*** wouldn't be handing my s*** over without a fight

hmm, well you know they could all be carrying knives as well hey.

And i put up and struggle and they just beat me worse so there goes that theory.

Insert anecdote here that says the opposite thing.

if the poor little chap had a handgun none of this would have happened.

most wankers that carry knives are too scared to use them, still not a risk i'd wanna take but it's true in most cases

I also carry a knife where ever I go, but without malice intent
It just so happens I have a cool leatherman (xmas present) which comes in handy when I need to macgyver up some kind of contraption or undo a screw somewhere

that said if my life was on the line I wouldn't hesitate plunging it into someones chest if it came down to 'them or me'

more like you need it to soft drink open cans because you have girly hands

teq is the new chub

keyboards require a gentle touch

More evidence security cameras don't prevent crime. Hopefully the footage is useful in bringing the criminals to justice though.

Well, the camera isnt going to jump off the wall like some freaking transformer and intervene, is it.

The camera has to have someone monitoring it Trog. If it did, security staff or police just may have been able to get there before the more serious harm was inflicted. this guy is lucky not to be dead.

There is stacks of evidence and stats out of the UK showing the usefulness of CCTV if used properly.

Jail the buggers who did it, then deport them.


last edited by E.T. at 14:57:04 26/Feb/09

teq is the new chub

older brother maybe?

The camera has to have someone monitoring it Trog. If it did, security staff or police just may have been able to get there before the more serious harm was inflicted. this guy is lucky not to be dead.

For sure, but in the UK at least, noone is watching the screens

Yeah I noticed those f***s just thinking of themselves, the least they could is call the police..

LOL as if asian FOB types are gunna do that. They stick to together and don't get involved with crazy whitey or blacky.

Also I remember some copper saying (might be wrong) that self defence goes out the window if you defend yourself with a massive metal pole and all he attacked you with was a sponge or fists.

not if you're out numbered 3:1

There's a problem with this logic.

Say there's 100 bashings a year. Lets make up some figures - 57% are by whites, 12% by asians, 6% by blacks and 25% by other miscellaneous minorities.

Okay, so from that we conclude that the majority of crimes are committed by whites. But then we need to look at the figures a little deeper. Again, lets just make up some figures for the purpose of this example. There's a population of 20 million people total. Of those 86% (17.2m) are white, 4% (800,000) are asian, 6% are black (1.2m) and the remaining 4% (800000) are misc.
If you factored in those figures, you can say that 1:300000 whites commit violent crimes, 1:66,666 asians, 1:200000 by blacks and 1:32000 by others.

Omitting details from calculating statistics and only stating the ones that benefit your argument is an art.

That's a really good point Raven, but I guess we're both jsut stabbing in the dark without any hard figures. Even taking your made up figures though (as a hypothetical) - it's a nice example pointing out to people that you'd be effectively stereotyping ~32 000 people based on the behaviour of one person.

CIA factbook - white 92%, Asian 7%, aboriginal and other 1%

Is that the same CIA that said Iraq had WMDs? ;D

nf, the guy involved in that case was on Gangs of Oz last night, he was a bikie gang member and a meth phreak - fairly unlucky to find yourself in that situation

not really the point though is it? my point was being the hero can turn you into the victim just as easily. also, your idea of coming in swinging with a metal bar is pretty much inviting the same in return. if you take 2 down, and the other knocks you on your arse what do you think hes going to do with the metal bar now lying on the ground. you're going to end up with zero teeth, a jaw that clicks and trouble remembering your own kids name.

whilst I'm all for vigilante justice I am still smart enough to never put myself in a position where I wasn't 100% confident I could handle myself

I've never had my ass kicked to-date and I put that pure down to the fact that I assess each situation I decide to involve myself in ahead of time

If I knew I wasn't likely to win I'd go to plan B
which was find backup and return to deal some justice

seriously in that situation you just have to find the most redneck looking locals you can get your hands on and say 'blacks vs whites!!!!1'

instant army

nobody (in their right mind) is going to get themselves into a situation where they are going to get their arse kicked i appreciate. but the thing is you don't know the situation completely. just like the guy in melbourne, he and a few other blokes thought they had the situation in the bag until the bikie pulled a pistol.

also, click

another islamic minority speaking through violence how poetic

and wtf does that suppose to mean?

it was a blatant attempt at trolling you

Well i took a bite, and man it tastes disgusting and now i wish i never did.

Also I remember some copper saying (might be wrong) that self defence goes out the window if you defend yourself with a massive metal pole and all he attacked you with was a sponge or fists.

It goes along the lines of 'reasonable force'. Using a metal pole to defend yourself in most cases wouldn't be considered reasonable force, unless they too had a metal pole or some such.



People like Teq are a bit silly, thinking that going out doing 'justice' will teach anyone a lesson. All it will do is lead to more violence. You simply 'teach' that you need to be stronger then your target.

Year 9'er got in a scrap today on the oval. Got a concussion and an ambulance.

Worse, the entire school was watching the whole thing... Rumour is the victor got expelled but I reckon it'd just be a suspension..

Mate if I saw someone getting bashed, unprovoked, I'd go mental on the offender.

That's just my instinct.

But you're only a school student who acts on emotion rather than brains, so your opinion doesn't count.

I'm sick of you c***s saying my opinion doesn't count.

Yes it f***ing does.

When you're getting bashed on the train, you think a school students just going to stand there because "his opinion" doesn't count?

Or perhaps if you're being bashed by school students, (which you probably would be since you're an elitist old f***er who gives s*** to teens), you want the courts not to punish/support them because their opinion doesn't matter?

I called an ambo a year ago because one of you old motherf***ers was falling over on the street. I'm a bronze medal lifesaver, so when you're in medical distress and it's only me and a 30yr old with nothing to his name, I'm the most qualified person so I'm required by law to help you. Me. A school student.

Recklessly or not, I act to save lives. I have an opinion.

You're a f***head for telling me I don't. :)

I'm sick of you c***s saying my opinion doesn't count.

It not that it doesn't count, its just that its always wrong.

Nice try nF, not biting ;)

Sorry phooks but brats should be seen and not heard... no really I am serious. As for you live saving abilities thats great mate nice to see a "school kid" doing something genuinely worth while. Both myself and my mother have them aswell, my mum was an instructor years ago.

As for kids that like to beat people ... well the odd thing I find with that is that you almost never ever hear of one kid doing the deed. It's always a bunch of little filthy animals that have to be in a group to do anything at all. 99% of school brats are gutless little f***ers the other 1% are stupid retards that would stand in front of an on coming train because the resulting vid might get a few views on youtube.

When you and your mates grow up you might actually understand why older people tell you all to shut the f*** up and why older people don't put any value on the trash that comes out of your mouths.

Live learn then and maybe then you might have something worht listening to say. Don't get me wrong there are some great kids out there, no doubt about it. The best and smartest ones are the ones that know when to shut the f*** up.

Well then, you get a gold star for restraint. Here I was expecting you to go just mental.

Nice try nF, not biting ;)

Too late, i already reeled you in, suckah.

i'm not trying to teach anyone a lesson, if i saw someone beating down on someone relentlessly, I would just instinctively want to help - doesn't mean I couldn't enjoy myself while I did so

edit: also i can tell a bikie from a bogan / thug

last edited by tequila at 22:06:33 26/Feb/09

lol at that zy guy who reckons people should have their lives 'discontinued' for violent behavior.

can you tell a knife wound from a gunshot wound teq?

Mate if I saw someone getting bashed, unprovoked, I'd go mental on the offender. That's just my instinct.

Comments like this further prove that you are still living from your textbooks and schoolyard experiences and still don't have one iota of real world experience yet. Like, you come into a thread about a bashing at a train station and say "yeah man some year 9s had a fight today at school" like anyone gives a f***ing s*** or that it even matters.

I'm sorry for hurting your feelings fpot.

Damn I was gonna say that you wouldn't fall for his troll but you'd fall for mine and then give myself a big pat on the back for being such a good troller.

Is there a more awesome spectacle than a tough talking internet guy?

Taipan I bet you are a riot at parties..

When you pick a fight or throw a punch you need to have it very clearly in your head that it could be the very last thing you ever do. On the other side of the coin it could be the last thing you ever do as a free man. I don't know about you guys but I believe there are worse things than death. Like being locked up for 25 years in a tiny box only to watch the best part of your life slowly drift away each day until there is nothing worth having left.

Do the ladies find you moody and mysterious? I bet they do...

And teq, wow. You are pretty awe inspiring, kinda like Chuck Norris but with a tinge of Russell Gilbert. When I read your posts about vigilante justice I turn up U2 really loud and pump my fist in the air until my mum like totally tells me to turn it down and I only turn it down like, half. Yeah.

If this thread just consisted of you guys taking it in turns to tell us how you would bash some c***s with a pipe and then giving a totally insightful look at the serious side of life that would be totally awesome.

Mate if I saw someone getting bashed, unprovoked, I'd go mental on the offender. That's just my instinct.

thats the kind of attitude that gets bystanders f***ed up...

u: "oh look ill go help this guy gettin his ass handed to him by 3 black guys"
*smack* black dude does some crazy black-belt super muay thai knee to ur face and breaks ur nose. Then when the clarrot and tears cover ur eyes, preventing u from seeing, *stab stab* from the other black guy with a jagged aids infested knife.

and there goes ur mental "rage" down the toilet in 2 simple blows.

we got in an un-prevoked fight when we were younger, as the fight was going on, the main guy we were fightings dad popped out from a restaraunt as we were fight/walking past it.

He tried to act all tough and took a swing at us, (after his son was the one that provoked it and king hit one of my mates 2 start with) another mate of mine smashed him in the face, he fell down tried to get back up and got a boot to the head, which made his head bounce off a big ceramic pot plant and sort of knocked him out.


we found out a few days later his dad is some crazy kick boxing teacher (doing it for like 30yrs or something).. so it was pretty lucky the pot was there to break his heads fall or we would have got hammered :P

I am sorry but I don't care what kind of fight you are in but kicking people that are on the ground is the greatest act of a low c***. That kind of low s*** would of made you an outcast not to may years ago not to mention would of got your ass kicked by half the pricks in town.

I just don't get why people these days feel it's a requirement of a fight. f*** if the guy is down he's down if he gets back up and wants to carry it on give him another slap in the face but it's just wrong to keep it going when they are flat out on their back. There is no f***ing honour in that s***.

Ummm, Taipan, these were younger fellas against a man. And the man was being a c*** and continuing an unprovoked fight. And he trains kick boxing and is about to beat up a bunch of kids. A kick to the head seems perfectly reasonable to me.

There is no f***ing honour in that s***.

aint no honour in a king hit from behind as we are walking away either...

Back in my day we would have slapped him with our dueling glove, just the once.
Then he knew he was in for a donnybrook by god.

Chappie Fadden...we called him a chap but I can't for the life of me remember whether he in fact was a chap at all...anyway Chappie would scribe a circle in the dirt (there was no bitumen in those days, these were the days of the carriage and the buggy). Both combatants stepped into the circle and we all knew that should they set foot outside that circle, the fight was over, by gum!

"Now", you'd say "put up your humdingers" you'd say. We called our fists our humdingers you see. And humdingers up, we'd advance you see, advance on the man in the circle.

And we'd at it. I remember Guthrie Bosonswaith getting punched fair on the chin once and he'd let out this bellow y'see...in those days we'd call a chin a puddin catcher. And old Bosonswaith held onto his puddin catcher with one hand while he fought of Grunter Dallyswain with one hand, by god! Now that was a fight!



last edited by IncrEdible_vEgetable at 00:10:19 27/Feb/09

true scoobs.

The fact remains and I don't give a f*** what the situation is there is never ever any justification for kicking someone in the head thats on their knees or on there back. I don't give a f*** if the guy was Mike Tyson you just don't do it and if you do you are low scum.

If you are big enough to take part in afight no matter if you started or not you should be big enough to fight like a man no matter how dirty the prick is you are fighting. If it's getting that bad then even if you think you are within your rights to continue it I suggest you use some common sense and just get out of there.

Of course you can always kick the guy in the head kill him then spend the next X number of years being really proud of how big of a man you are while you are bent over grasping your ankles for Bubba.

You know veg I really hope you never get a first hand chance to find out exactly how unfunny this crap is.

last edited by Taipan at 00:12:48 27/Feb/09

Okay Zy said some pretty stupid things in this thread.

Hatred = discontinue a part of the world = kill people that would so carelessly commit such a crime.

So you believe that the death penalty should be given to people who commit assault? Wrongful executions happen, and to me the fact that one person has already been wrongfully executed means to me that capital punishment is an unworkable system. Until an infallible method of determining whether someone is guilty or not is established anyway.

But here you are saying it should be instated for relatively petty crimes like assault?

we then make sure everyone in Australia gets a proper education (not the current boring waste of time we have in place) so we don't have young adults doing this sort of thing in the future, and then wet set some national goals so that we have a better sense of national spirit.

Yes! Abolish the education that supplies the doctors, engineers, dentists that I use everyday! Instead, let's enroll them in morality class, and look at a flag and sing songs!

I'd like to get into politics someday (a new kind of politics, I'm a firm believer in democracy being a massive failing lie (communism and dictatorship also bad)

Oh dear good no. Thank god for democracy.

Please Zy. Promise me one thing, don't ever go into politics. I might just be forced to burst Australia's assassination cherry.

last edited by fpot at 00:15:06 27/Feb/09

Hey Taipan, I think you have a bit of foam stuck to your puddin catcher...

I guess you aren't a big fan of bjj Taipan?

bjj isnt about kicking people when they are down per se.

A big part of it is getting people in defenseless positions and then pounding the s*** out of them, which kicking someone when their down is equivalent too (albeit a much cruder method).

imo in street fights there aren't any rules and those who claim there are shouldn't be getting in street fights! I say if you don't want to get kicked in the head, don't fight people.

If youve ever seen a horror movie, its this stupid idea of not kicking someone when they are down that always leads to some idiots death.

bah I think in those movies they would actually want to completely remove that persons head because I doubt Jason from Friday 13th would be phased by a simple kick :)

Fpot I get your point about hey just don't get into fights and sure thats fair enough. The problem I have with the kicking thing is everytime I have seen it done it has always been against some poor prick that was already totally beaten. Yet the aparent winner has seen fit to continue the onslaught and turn what was just a scuffle into a savage brutal assault.

Guys that do that are aeriously pushing the limits between possible self defense or maybe just being stupid to getting within range of murder and for f***ing what? So he can beat his chest later like the big guy on f***ing campus. Nah mate kicking a downed person is dirty and if you really had any balls you'd have enough to let the guy get back up for another go if he chose to.

So you have to let jason standup before you decapitate him then?

Taipan lets say a guy comes up to you and says "give me your wallet or i'll stab you" while reaching into his pocket, you deck him and he is on the ground dazed, and reaches for his pocket again.. would you let him up for another go, or kick him while he is down? (Running isnt a choice for whatever reason)

I know you can pull hypotheticals out of your arse until the universe ends, but just having blanket rule of you cant kick a guy while he is down is a bit stupid, sure if its two mates having a disagreement its a fair enough rule, but if some random comes up and gives you a fight you dont want an didnt ask for, what then?

ok I get your point and sure I can see the issue in the situation against a guy thats carrying a knife but thats hardly a standard fight at that point. The guy just threatend you with what amounts to a deadly weapon.... I think in that situation it's a case of choose your own adventure.

I was basing my point of view around standard stupid fights that serve no more purpose than one guy wanting to prove he is a bigger man than the other guy. Imho that would account for probably more than 90% of all scuffles and the sad thing is they arise more often than not from something completely f***ing stupid.

(edit) Btw I think Jason just wants to be held so sure let the big lug up and give him a hug :P

You have to draw the line somewhere, some drunk spilling your drink at a club or some guy aparently looking at you weird at schoolies isn't grounds for kicking them once you have already knocked them on their ass. Hell if the guy comes right up in your face and tells you he is going to kick your ass that still isn't grounds for it. By all means teach the f***er a lesson if you feel you can but don't cross that line where you turn that lesson into a f***ing blood bath where someone has the distinct chance of never ever getting up again.

Once they are down back off ... if they want more and get up give them another serve if you have to. s*** I had a mate of mine while I was in the army knock one stupid f*** down like 4 times really f***ing him up bad the guy was a mess. He was quite clearly beaten but wouldn't give up so we chose to get the f*** out of there before this poor prick got himself killed. Believe it or not my mate actually called an ambulance for the f***wit and told them where to find him. He did have mates with him but they wouldn't get involved seen as there was as many of us as there was of them and in reality it was just a bitch between the two of them.

Fighting isn't a good thing we all know it but it doesn't have to be about killing some d******* or maiming them either.

(edit) Btw I think Jason just wants to be held so sure let the big lug up and give him a hug :P


last edited by Taipan at 03:29:05 27/Feb/09

I hope the little guy is still ok and hasn't been perm damaged...physically i mean. He has every right to become a hater and live in fear now but i hope he can get over this disgusting act and live freely... (know wot i mean? coz i really don't know how to say it...)

u think you are within your rights to continue it I suggest you use some common sense and just get out of there.

as i said, we were trying to walk away and bang king hit from behind, as we walked away more... (trying not to fight) his dad popped out.. so yes we did try to get out of there and not fight.

You have to draw the line somewhere, some drunk spilling your drink at a club or some guy aparently looking at you weird at schoolies isn't grounds for kicking them once you have already knocked them on their ass. Hell if the guy comes right up in your face and tells you he is going to kick your ass that still isn't grounds for it. By all means teach the f***er a lesson if you feel you can but don't cross that line where you turn that lesson into a f***ing blood bath where someone has the distinct chance of never ever getting up again.

yer i've got a nice big line on the ground that says no cheaps ass king hitting from behind. U dont talk s***(wih 5 mates standing next to u), want to fight, refuse to until we turn around and start walking away, run up and king hit someone in the back of the head... thats f***in cheap in my book and he deserves to get his head kicked in

last edited by Sc00bs at 07:35:20 27/Feb/09

Poor fella, hope he is okay. I love a good violent scrap as much as the next person but 3 on 1 is not very fair odds.

Hi, not trying to be racist or anything but there was some professor at a University who got a lot of crap when he made a hypothesis that Asians are too smart and Africans are too smart and will change the face of Australia in the future.

He predicted that crimes will rise by the Africans to the point where we'll see Australia turn into America with the drug dealing, killing etc. and the asians will take a lot of jobs.

I kind of see his predictions coming true.

paradigm, racism is crime and crime is for black people

Well go on, tell us about your grand plan for education.

You do realise this is an internet forum. If you can't handle the constant abuse, condescending remarks and random comments in between posts then you should leave for www.disney.com

But you're only a school student who acts on emotion rather than brains, so your opinion doesn't count.

With sentence structure like

and wtf does that suppose to mean?

perhaps you should be a school student again too...

Zing!

most wankers that carry knives are too scared to use them, still not a risk i'd wanna take but it's true in most cases

Well I've had a knife pulled on me by someone I caught trying to steal my car. He had every intention of using it on me, and tried to, twice!

So from my experience, I'd have to say 100% of people that I've known to carry a knife were more than willing to use it to inflict damage on someone.

yer i've got a nice big line on the ground that says no cheaps ass king hitting from behind. U dont talk s***(wih 5 mates standing next to u), want to fight, refuse to until we turn around and start walking away, run up and king hit someone in the back of the head... thats f***in cheap in my book and he deserves to get his head kicked in

i guess you guys never play as scouts or spies?

stop s***ting up the thread you sub 1000 post chucklef***

roffle d[o_O]b, settle down.

Hey guys my hatred isn't real hatred. It is just my desire for a certain part of the world to be discontinued and that means killing heaps of people that commit violent crime. This is certainly a viable option to end violence, escalate a few beatings into state sanctioned killings! It's only overly nice people like yourselves that could possibly see a problem with this.

Also the kids today are scum. I propose a new education system where kids not only receive today's current education (which I think is boring) and add in some sort of miracle class where kids will turn out being patriotic saints. I see no problem with the practical implementation with this at all. Hey, I might be a politician one day too!

Hey... why are you being mean to me? f***, my ideas are fool proof. However I am not going to divulge any information about them until you give me an apology! I posted edgy and impractical things on the internet and I demand
respect!

And just for the record, maybe you do have good ideas about how education could be fixed, and maybe you are somewhat right about how our political system is f***ed up and maybe democracy isn't all it is cracked up to be.

However you lost all credibility when you said the 'discontinue the lives of the minorities that commit crime' bit. Just such a typical 'edgy internet solution' to the worlds problems that you'd have to be pretty stupid to say.


last edited by fpot at 16:36:38 28/Feb/09

i just wanted to use chucklef*** in a sentence

I have not seen the video but given the hate in this thread felt it opportunistic to post the following which I received via email the other day. I vaguely recall seeing this email a while ago, then it may just be senility kicking in early...

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the
exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud
of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the
conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to
struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in,
perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as
free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare
policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a
superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration
policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant:
generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in
transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world
example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have
predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a
newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the
streets -all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to
bite?

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was
obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was
obvious.
Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive
enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they
considered the decadence of Denmark's liberal way of life, the Danes - once
so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as
incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and
free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups,

and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.

An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which
they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem inDenmark would explode.
In the article they reported:

'Muslim immigrants.constitute 5 percent of the
population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million
people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an
especially combustible issue given that practically all the female
victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found
in other crimes.'

'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers,
they wish less to mix with the indigenous population.
A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young
Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.'

'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in
Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry
him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem'

'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing
Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a
not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one
sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years
will be Muslim.'

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes
would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values
and laws.
An example is the phenomenon common to other European
countries and Canada .: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the
Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in
fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by
Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked
to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before
the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a
teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under
the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say
today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative
government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous
ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest
immigration policies in Europe. ( Its effort to protect itself has been met
with accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across Europe - even as other
governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of
too-lax immigration.)

If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three
years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark's history,
culture, and a Danish language test :

You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for
citizenship.
You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job
waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over
24 years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends
and family to Denmark with you.

You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen.


Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language
schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to
Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't.

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort
Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the
Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare
committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries
were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare
system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare
system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point
of eventually bankrupting the government. 'We are simply forced to adopt a
new policy on immigration.

The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying
and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to
now,' he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark's imams is the
Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes
no bones about the new policy toward immigration, 'The number of foreigners
coming to the country makes a difference,' Hvilshøj says, 'There is an
inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive
the foreigners that come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate
a willingness to blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be a country with
room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more
important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and
freedom of speech.'

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone.
Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed
Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the
family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that
the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj
dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of
retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done
in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.

The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched
while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed,
but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other
ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where
such murderous violence was once so scarce.

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders
have tightened.
Many believe that what happens in the next decade will
determine whetherDenmark survives as a bastion of good living,
humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation
at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.

And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration
policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many
immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves
of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare
live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our
traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our
language, appreciate our history

wow the first man made post that can be seen from the moon well done

...Also the kids today are... what?

It was good to see those Asian people (showed concern but obviously not wanting to get themselves cained) and especially the guy who at least looked back around to see what he could. He must have figured he'd be called to witness when they catch these Totsi's

last edited by trillion at 22:41:35 28/Feb/09

Our government would never do what the Danes have done .... not in a million years. None of them no matter what party they come from have the balls to push something like that because they are all so scared of being called the R word and being labled the bad guy. Pack of spineless f***s.

Yeah totally spineless for not wanting to support racism.
You dick.

You know it's way to easy to toss that word around without actually addressing any issue at all. People just toss it out there and then turn their backs and walk away turning a blind eye to everything. They use the word like it's the be all end all trump card that simply can't be wrong when dealing with any issue involving ethnic groups, tolerance is a two way street.

The truth of the matter is that the vasty majority of people that do it are as narrow minded as anyone that truely fits the definition of a racist. I don't believe for one second that there are that many people in this country that fit the true definition of a racist.

Bringing people into this country that are utterly at odds with the way of life it is just nuts, it's not good for us and it's not good for them either. France, Germany, Russia, Holland, Demark, Canada and the UK are all exerpiencing some really f***ing serious issues due to immigrants stead fastly refusing to integrate while trying to impose their influence and imported values on the populations of those countries. That crap needs to be worked out and it helps no one if at the first sign of someone opening their mouth some dips*** for the peanut gallery starts yelling racist.

It boggles the mind that in this day and age with information freely available on every country on the face of this planet, people still move to a country that they absolutely have to know has a culture that they will be at odds with. It's frigging staggering that they actually expect to change things to suit themselves in the new country. They should be greatful for the chance to biuld a new life to grow and prosper I know I f***ing well would be.

i think an scenere apology would do the trick

If you or a hypothetical son of yours was the one being beaten in that video, what would you want to happen to the attackers?

I'd hope they'd go to jail. Perhaps my passion would make me want to see them get hurt.

Are you suggesting that the justice system and the way justice is handed out should be influenced by personal emotion and passion?

scenere ... A cross between scenery and sincere, a view to a sorry.

walking through there alone = i'd call the cops and then find a big ass metal pole, walk back in with it behind me and keep my head down until i was within whacking distance and just start going nuts on them

Unless you're actually trained in the use of such a weapon, you'd be better off without it. Either way, odds are you'll get f***ed up.

I also carry a knife where ever I go, but without malice intent

Again, unless you're actually trained in how to use a knife in a fight, you're probably just going to get stabbed with your own knife. Carrying a knife on you like that is a crime anyway, regardless of your intent.

I am sorry but I don't care what kind of fight you are in but kicking people that are on the ground is the greatest act of a low c***. That kind of low s*** would of made you an outcast not to may years ago not to mention would of got your ass kicked by half the pricks in town.

This is the kind of speech typical of a person who has never actually been in a fight. If somebody attacked me and I was forced to defend myself, I'd f*** them up until a) they were down for good, or b)I'd slow them down enough so I could get away. You have no idea what a stranger is capable of or what they're armed with. Your delusional ideas of honour are going to get you killed. This isn't a TV show mate, there's no audience watching you thinking "wow this guy is so bad ass for having mercy on somebody who doesn't deserve it". If I'm hitting somebody, it is because they have already hit me, so I'll be doing whatever it takes to either a)ensure they can't hurt me or b)get to safety.

It's funny hearing internet tough guys talking about fights they'll never have, and would lose if they ever did. I'm 6'5", work out twice a week, have had a fair bit of martial arts training and have experienced a few scraps, and even I wouldn't have gotten involved in a situation like that. Sure, I'd do my best to memorize the faces of the criminals, then call the cops ASAP to come help and I'd give them as much information as possible.

I noticed there's a few impressionable youngins here, so I'd just like to stress the point that they not listen to these keyboard heroes talking about how 'they can handle themselves'. Nobody is as tough as they like to think they are, and no matter how tough you are there's always somebody tougher. And don't carry weapons. Want to know the best advice for if you're in a dangerous situation? f***ing run. As hard and fast as you can. If you can't run, comply with the demands of your attackers. A wallet is just a wallet, it's not worth dying for. If you have to fight back, use your fists, elbows and knees. Don't try to kick if you're not trained how to; you'll just end up on your arse.

most wankers that carry knives are too scared to use them, still not a risk i'd wanna take but it's true in most cases

2 of my mates got in a drunken fight while out one night with some random dude. (one of my mates had a knife, which we told him not to take anywhere cause he is a d*******) while in the heat of battle my mate got the knife out and accidentally stabbed my other mate 2times(in the arm and back, but he is all good now)... Such a f***tard

ppl who carry knives dont do it so they look tough... its mostly cause they want to use it if anything happens.

Crizane Tribal nice big assumption there. Kind of funny how you can aparently know all that s*** without actually knowing a single thing about the person. You know I would actually try to see things from point of view if you didn't just make up s*** that kind of sounded ok at the time.

I have no need to go on about my past because thats the kind of s*** 16 year old kids get into. You mention not knowing crap about a stranger and what they might have or might do yet almost in the same breath you make comment on what you are so sure you know about me, a total stranger. Sounds pretty contradictory doesn't it?

Lets just say I have never felt the need to kick some poor f*** when he is already trashed and on the ground. As I said most fights are simple bs over nothing and don't warrant that kind of brutality if the guy is done he's done end of story. If on the other hand the person was a genuine threat to your missus or kids well I'll concede that situation would obviously have to be judged differently.

The whole basis of my opinion on this matter is that bashing some prick when they quite clearly have no desire or ability to fight is the act of a low piece of s***. Seriously most guys when they get their ass handed to them are no more capable of putting up a fight any longer than a f***ing toddler. To continue beating them isn't a defensive act or the act of a tough guy even it's just a c*** act.

Haven't you guys seen or read the stories over the past few years of kids dying because some idiot stomped on their head while they were laying all f***ed up on the ground. Jesus guys wtf why would you do that to someone it's just wrong.

Finally I have to say I do agree with the idea of avoidance being the best way to deal with the whole f***ing thing. Discretion is the better part of valour as they say.

last edited by Taipan at 23:38:32 01/Mar/09

last edited by Taipan at 23:43:57 01/Mar/09

so this thread has derailed a fair bit.

basically we've got two points of view;

you would help vs. you wouldn't help, I don't care if it makes me a "stupid macho man" to want to help the poor kid
It's just my reaction to seeing that kind of s***, I know if I walked away from that and did nothing I would think about it for a long time to come

if it wasn't safe, obviously I wouldn't do anything without first making it safe - that could be evening up the numbers, calling police, and yes even finding a big-ass metal pole to even it up a bit
I might be a "stupid macho man" but I'm not all around stupid, I'm not going to be much help to the guy if I'm lying in a pool of my own blood now am I

read my sig.

I think you and crizane are looking at two different kinds of fights, crizane is thinking "If i dont kick this guy in the head, he might get up and kill me" Taipan seems to be thinking "If i kick this guy in the head, he wont be able to shout the next round."

Id say most people will never be in he situation of kicking some random in the head for no reason, so when they think about a fight where they might kick someone in the head while they are down, they can think of some damn good reasons why they'd do it.

I think you're on to something there, Bah. As I mentioned, I'd only ever be hitting somebody if I HAD to; as in they have struck me (or a friend/relative) and I fear for my safety or the safety of a loved one. Anybody who hits another person over something like pride or a few dirty words is pathetic. He who throws the first fist has already lost the argument.

Taipan, I never made any assumptions about you, I merely said that something you had said was typical of people who have never been in a fight. The point is, it's easy to sit three in the glow of your monitor and tout up how you'd step in there and save the day but in a situation like this one, most of the time adrenalin will kick in and your brain will pick fight or flight. It takes years of training and conditioning to keep a level head in physical conflict.

Where in this thread did I say I would step into anything and save the day? You have me confused with someone else. If anything I am probably the only person here thats tried to remind people of just how ridiculous heading down that path is. As for me being in fights I have been in way to many I am actually sad to say although I take some consolation in the fact that I have never picked any of them and I have been able to avoid more than I have been in.

Living the life style I used to put me in some pretty s***ty positions on a regular basis in the end I just got sick of it. I gave up drinking and gave up the mates I knew would never grow up or take any responsibility for their actions and these days I find the whole culture of booze and violence sickening.

I do agree on the pride bulls*** 100% though. Way to many guys let their pride get in the way of common sense and it's just not worth it, who really needs the drama. I'd rather spend 10 minutes of one day being called a girl than a life time regretting one really stupid choice made in the heat of the moment.

last edited by Taipan at 01:12:41 02/Mar/09

i once kicked a guy in the head for waering a scarf and a vest. Then i went home and f***ed a hot dragon ninja chick

If you don't think it should, then why did you ask me that question?

doob was he carrying a wow beer stein? If so good job

^^ LOLOL ^^

taipan: a man retired from alcoholism committed to a career in hate speech and chivalry.

U r my heroooo

It's common sense that you wouldn't wear a knife while drinking and you would have to be completely stupid to take one if you're going out to pubs/clubs.

I'm more than happy to learn a new word, but that's not in the dictionary. Where does it come from (if anywhere)?

Haha from Obes' rage 10 years after i snubbed him when he saw me at a shopping centre or something. I guess I king-hit him in the feelings.

Because I wanted to know if you understood the hate behind calling for death of these thugs. It's almost as if you allowed for no exaggeration from the emotion.

I want them dead, sure, but if I were in power ... what would I think if my opinion actually mattered?

You're a f***ing idiot. First you say that you don't think emotion should factor into justice, and now you're saying you are?

Nah I am pretty sure you are just an idiot hey. You ask me what I would think about what I think the penalties should be if it was me or my hypothetical son being assaulted and I say hey maybe I would want them dead or at least badly wounded, but that is an opinion borne from passion and passion has no place in a legal system and you apparently agreed. Maybe until the 'bugs' are ironed out from the system (you do realise most of the 'bugs' in the legal system are human ones, and therefore will probably never be ironed out right?)

Then you said this, and to be honest with you, I did have a hard time understanding it.

Because I wanted to know if you understood the hate behind calling for death of these thugs. It's almost as if you allowed for no exaggeration from the emotion.

I want them dead, sure, but if I were in power ... what would I think if my opinion actually mattered?

That's the good thing about the net, you can get away with exploring a lot of ideas you'd generally not consider in real life. Helps expand the mind and all that.

Well, of course I understand the hate behind calling for the death of those people. That was the whole problem with it in the beginning. You seem to think that just because you are personally angry about this situation that the death penalty or very serious penalties should be applied. Just out of curiosity, say you felt a bit lenient one day, and decided not to issue the death penalty for assault. What sort of alternative serious penalties would you consider? Life imprisonment?

Then you go to say you want them dead, but only if you were in power or something. You were talking about communication skills before, and I am not really one to rag on people for badly written sentences, but f*** I had a hard time understanding what you were trying to say there. Are you saying you would want them dead if you were in power, or that you want them dead, but you might change your tune if you were in power and your opinion really mattered? Both viewpoints are probably equally retarded by the way.

And yes there is a lot of stupid s*** on the net that you wouldn't consider using in real life.



last edited by fpot at 16:55:01 02/Mar/09

lol persay

There's no reason to reason with fpot.

He'll call you a rabid moron, you call him a f***ing dumbass and that's as far as it goes.

f***in'd idiot.

Bringing people into this country that are utterly at odds with the way of life it is just nuts, it's not good for us and it's not good for them either. France, Germany, Russia, Holland, Demark, Canada and the UK are all exerpiencing some really f***ing serious issues due to immigrants stead fastly refusing to integrate while trying to impose their influence and imported values on the populations of those countries. That crap needs to be worked out and it helps no one if at the first sign of someone opening their mouth some dips*** for the peanut gallery starts yelling racist.

Damn right. Denmark has gone down the drain as a result of their immigration policy and EU laws - they'll probably end up the first assimilated European country.

Those who cry 'racist' are typically the densest of the all, yet they often claim to be in that educated group - it sadly isn't the case. They'll happily ignore facts or call them irrelevant just to try to look like nice guys, or not look like the worst of that branding they'd love to throw around, even though they're often deeply rooted far from it.

The funniest is when you throw names into the ring like Pauline Hanson. You only need to look at the current thread on OCAU or Whirlpool to see what a bunch of utter morons the majority of the population are when it comes to these kinds of people - they'll happily take factual statements made by a person, and take them completely out of context or twist them around for the sake of branding the person as a racist and trying to make themselves look like a good guy. Same kind of thing goes with One Nation - most people have absolutely no clue what their policies are... but it's One Nation, so they have to bash and badmouth.
Plenty of other politicians have made the same comments but worded differently, yet they don't get torn down.

You guys want to see real racism? Go live in a Tutsi or Hutu area for a while.

Two of Pauline's policies from here

To treat all Australians equally, and in so doing, abolish divisive and discriminatory policies such as those related to aboriginal and multicultural affairs.
To restrict foreign ownership of Australia, repeal the Native Titles Act, abolish ATSIC, and reverse WIK and MABO.

To treat all Australians equally...well that would be white Australians I guess. See the problem is, Aborigines in Australia have had it pretty f***ing unequal for the last couple of hundred years. They are behind the 8 ball with regards to education, healthcare and so on. But let's sweep that under the carpet and now we are all equal.
Kinda like playing a game of footy, but you take one of the teams and you break half the guys arms. Now instead of giving them a 10 point headstart you say, "No we are all equal, let's just play". Who is going to win? And if you play that game forever, who is going to always be on top. Maybe some of the broken arm team will just quit, or start playing dirty cos they see they can never win.

Pauline Hanson is ignorant. She ignores the facts and she ignores history. She says what uneducated people want to hear, because it's easier than dealing with the real issues. It's hard to take time and effort to understand, but it's easy and it feels good to hate, to feel vindicated and righteous. You can ignore history and the facts, but it doesn't make you anything but ignorant.

Real racism? Racism is racism, end of story. And you sir, are a dick. The reason people "bash and badmouth" One Nation is because it's a political party built on hate and ignorance. Hitler had a similar deal and that worked out well didn't it?

Well I guess you could everyone free housing, new cars, entitlement to crown land and huge hand outs so we can become more equal to the Abos.

Well I guess you could everyone free housing, new cars, entitlement to crown land and huge hand outs so we can become more equal to the Abos.

Typically, the government has taken a Western-centric approach that if we throw money at the problem, it'll go away. Unfortunately this hasn't worked either. But again, see what you want to see. You see Aborigines getting handouts, I see a system that has continued to fail to provide adequate equal rights and real solutions.

so whats your solution? we keep giving them handouts because we feel bad?

in a few generations once the last of the stolen generation die off, will their kids still feel hard done by because their parents/grand parents were from the stolen generation?

they got an apology, they've got land, houses, cars, benefits that the rest of Australia do not get.

At what point do we stop treating them differently to the rest of Australia?

Using a football analogy (ala vegie)I would say it's more like having one team start at the kick off but not allowing the other team to start playing until half time. Not to mention the fact that the second team has never been able/allowed to train or practice. Of course they are still expected to put in a good showing... aren't they?

Edit
The issue runs a f***load deepers than money or material goods even have a chance to fix. This is a cultural thing and you can see it carrying through from one generation to the next. Thats not to say it's a native australian thing either by the way because if you put any group in the same situation over many years the result imo would be exactly the same. We threw a european system on a people that were ill preppared to accept it and were stupid enough to think that tossing cash at the problem would fix it and help them.

There is no quick fix for the issue because if there was we would of solved it by now. Do I have all the answers ... f*** no do I have any idea how to fix even a fraction of the issue? probably not. What I do know is nothing will get any better until the Aboriginal people actually believe they are in a position to take control of their own future. At the very least we should be doing what we can to aid them in finding that belief.

You all know as well as I do if you feel nothing you do will help or make any kind of difference then you aren't likely to try very hard. Given that this has been a prevailing thing over the past X hundred years it just gets passed from one generation to the next. After that length of time many of them imo could be excused for not even knowing there was anything to try for.

It's a very sad and depressing issue

last edited by Taipan at 14:00:02 03/Mar/09

so whats your solution? we keep giving them handouts because we feel bad?

Pretty sure I said that throwing money at the situation hasn't solved anything...

It's not a case of feeling anything. It's about understanding the real issues, not just looking at the situation at hand. You can make all sorts of assumptions and accusations, but unless you understand the root of the issue, how can you fix it? My solution is that we take the time to understand the issues and implement programs that actually help, such as literacy and numeracy, health clinics and hospitals, better facilities for regional areas, research into cultural and social differences. If we threw money at those things then maybe we would see some results.

At what point do we stop treating them differently to the rest of Australia?

When equality is achieved. At this point in time, aboriginal people in this country have a specific set of needs such as health care, education and so on. This is a direct result of what has occurred in the past. So until some of these issues are sorted, then they need have in some respects different needs to white Australians.

And Taipan, even though I have paid out on some of the stuff you have said earlier in the thread, you are on the money with your last post. This is a complex issue and it's good to see someone actually thinking a bit outside the square.

When equality is achieved.

you can't have equality when Aboriginals Australians are getting hand outs that non Aboriginal Australians don't get.
Whilst the system is in favor of either party, you will always have someone upset

I dont see a problem with the native title stuff, makes sense, they should be making heaps more money from mining royalties and stuff like that, but get rid of the extra welfare they get as direct payments. Give the extra money in other places, like fixing up services in the communities they live in, no point giving them money when alot of them dont know what to do with it.

You see Aborigines getting handouts, I see a system that has continued to fail to provide adequate equal rights and real solutions.

In my 15 years at Mt Isa I saw plenty of Aborigines getting huge handouts such as brand new 4WDs (that they'd drive into the river), a whole bunch of new housing that my brother helped to build (that they burnt to the ground because they needed a fire), never ending trips to Darwin, Townsville or Brisbane (because they felt ripped off that their 4WDs were water logged and their houses were burnt) and because they felt so angry about all their lack of hand outs they decided to randomly beat up many people across the town in groups of 20 on 1.

At least some of the Aborigines tried to address the problem by getting 200ish of their closest relatives together and started charging at the other blokes 200ish closest relatives with machetes and spears.

Sadly Ticman thats just a symptom of a far larger problem. If those people had direction, focus and a belief in there chances to achieve that kind of bs would drop dramaticaly. We have failed the native people of Australia in not asisting them find a meaningful path within this community we have biult around them.

Do any of you actually understand how soul destorying taking handouts just to live can actually be? Self worth is everything in issue and until we can give them the chance to find that feeling of purpose and dare I say it hope this problem will remain.

You know I could go back and forth over this issue all day. I really don't want to because I fully realize that even my understanding of it isn't good enough to do it the justice it deserves.

I will say though if you are going to get into it over this problem do yourself a favour and try to look past the $$$$ and try and see the issue in it's entirity.

OK let me make a few things clear.

I know aborigines get handouts. I don't necessarily agree that money should be handed out without making sure it is going to good use. As Viper said, it could be used better in creating jobs, social systems and health care etc. I know there are major social, economic and cultural issues such as alcoholism, health problems and unemployment. I am not denying that these problems exist.

What I am arguing is that these surface issues i.e. destroying property, violence etc are symptoms of a bigger problem, which is that aboriginal people haven't been treated as "people" for 200 years. It is only now that rights are becoming even close to the same. For a long time they weren't even considered people. Ever heard or 'terra nullius'?

Many don't know how to manage money, property etc because of the lack of education and so on. Generations have been s*** on, and now you expect them just to say oh well, nevermind, let's all get along? It's hard for a white person to understand but if you put yourself in that position you might get an idea of why things are like they are.
Instead of looking at the symptom, why not look at the cause?

Unless you are one of those that certain racial groups are 'inherently bad'. Then I am afraid there's not much hope for you. By the sounds of your last comment you seem to have the attitude that Aborigines should just kill each other eh? Nice. Just hope you don't have kids that you are teaching this sort of rubbish to.

edit: agreed Taipan, they may be getting handouts, but living on welfare etc is certainly not good for self esteem and progression. The short term gain is a sadly one of the big issues here, as the long term effects of a welfare community based on race is pretty grim



last edited by IncrEdible_vEgetable at 16:41:31 03/Mar/09

Would any of you honestly hire a aborigine for job if he/she had the same qualifications?

Man I wouldn't wish the dole or any other type of hand out on anyone not even my worst enemy. It's a trap people really need to stay away from or get out of as quickly as possible and I really feel for anyone that has been trapped on it for a prolonged period.

You know the sad thing in reguards to Aboriginals in this case is this was the starting point we gave them. The dole(or any handout) is a form of segregation all of it's own and has very distinct ramifications not least of which are the psychological issues. I won't go into what i believe them all to be. But I would ask anyone who has an opinion to try and consider what those might be.

are they exempt from work for the dole or are they just using the same scams white aussies use to get out of the 'work' part

thus trapping themselves into being dole bludging c***s (both white & aboriginal australians)

You do realize that in some areas programs such as that would be some what harder to offer given the remote location or what have you? teq for god sake at least open your mind to the fact that there is a lot more to the problem than saying lazy f***s get given money for nothing.

You really don't do yourself any favours nor your credibility when you keep trotting out more or less the same line every time you post on the subject. As for people rorting the system .. well f*** me as if that isn't an problem with australia in general anyway.

If you really give a rats ass about free handouts why not cast your gaze in the direction of the 48,500 kiwis that have rolled up at the front door in the past 12 months. Yep thats thats right last year we copped nearly 50,000 of these f***ers which was the highest year of kiwi immigration to australia ever. Now there is only two possibilities, they are either going to work and displace aussies or they are going to collect on a welfare system thats better than what they have at home.

That f***ing door needs to be slammed f***ing shut and bolted imo.

Zy: don't be shy. Explain your new system to us.

Well tell us what your random floating ideas are and maybe we can help stick them all together for you.

So have they caught these guys or wat? sorry for being on topic

There you go teq has all the info

last edited by Taipan at 17:11:22 04/Mar/09

Men in court over railway station bashing

* Larissa Ham
* February 27, 2009

Two men have been charged after the vicious bashing of a man at Sunshine railway station earlier this week.

- Two charged following train station bashing
- Men picked up at Braybrook property
- Victim attacked at Sunshine train station

Transit crime investigation unit detectives charged the two men with recklessly cause injury, affray and robbery following the alleged assault and robbery of a 23-year-old man at Sunshine station about 12.10am last Friday.

The victim is alleged to have suffered head injuries in the attack. The men are also accused of stealing the victim's backpack.

Maluac Kur, 19, of no fixed address, and Ahmed Mohamed, 21, of Brooklyn, were arrested about 8am today in Braybrook and later appeared before the Melbourne Magistrates Court.

They have been remanded in custody to appear again on March 2.

The assault was captured on CCTV cameras.

Update

Police have arrested a third man in connection with the violent robbery of a man at the Sunshine railway station, in Melbourne's west, last week.

A 21-year-old man will face court today over an attack on a 23-year-old man, who was beaten unconscious and had his backpack stolen.

Two men were remanded in custody over the robbery last week.

last edited by tequila at 17:10:19 04/Mar/09

no fixed address.. lol

Sounds like you are utterly full of s*** to me.

I've got a pretty good instinct for that. That's why I was abusive and being a c*** in the first place, because I thought you sounded full of s***. Now I've gone and given you a chance only for my original fears to be proven.

Sigh.

they arrested 3 black guys over the bashing? clearly its a case of racial profiling.

Would it also be racial profiling to arrest blacks for teh aids..

I'm sure it won't be long before we find out

Did that asian couple ever come forward to police and offer any help?

yeah, they were going to drop into the police station to give a statement, but decided to just keep driving by.

I hate Fpot as much as the next guy, but please shut the hell up, Zy. You got trolled, and you're just getting trolled even harder now. Let it go. Either prove you're not full of s*** by telling us the title of your book and proof that you are the author, or just let it go. Even if you have published a book, it doesn't necessarily prove that you know anything. Dr Atkins got a book published for crying out loud.

i am the next guy and i don't hate fpot much at all. (only a tiny bit)

Haha oh my god it would be like reading a 300000 word long post of yours. What a f***ing nightmare.

Also this book you wrote, which has nothing to do with what we were talking about, gives you credibility to just vaguely throw out ideas that sound wild and crazy, and then when questioned simply say "oh yes I have a few random ideas floating about..." and expect to be taken seriously?

Actually maybe you should get into politics.

i am the next guy and i don't hate fpot much at all. (only a tiny bit)

im a next guy and i do hate fpot plenty

who the f*** listens to the beatles and lord of the rings was a s*** moofie

Yeah but we are brother in our sport liking so that makes everything okay.

And Zy you still haven't posted any details about your wondrous system of politics yet, and until you do, I am right about everything I said about you.

You knwo f***pot you do seem to of gotten some what more cranky as the years have gone by. Old age catching up with you there mate?

While I may be a bit abusive (it's an internet forum duh) you are at least as equally uptight and unable to take things as a joke (me saying I'd assassinate you if you ever got into politics WAS A JOKE. Me saying reading one of your books would be like reading a 300000 word post of yours WAS A JOKE.) You are so dense you claimed I made a 'death threat' against you and you also had to point out that you change writing styles between writing a post on the internet and writing your book. No s*** you do.

And I haven't even asked you for a perfectly refined system, I just asked you to post some of your random floating ideas and you haven't even been able to do that. Unless your random floating ideas are 'death penalty for people who commit assault discontinue their lives etc etc' in which case they aren't random floating ideas, they are just f***ing stupid ideas.

Zy the reason I am getting into you is because I found your initial claims of wanting to discontinue lives of violent people utterly ludicrous. Not silly, not impractical, f***ing ludicrous. When I gave you s*** about it you started going on about some sort of different system, constructed from these magical floating ideas in your head, and xxxx amount of posts later, you still haven't told anybody a single one of them. Now I don't know about you, but when I see someone say something ridiculous, claim this ridiculous thing is based of some unexplained system based of some ideas they have, and then at every turn avoid saying these ideas for extremely vague reasons I am inclined to call bulls***.

Here is your chance to prove me wrong though. Post your random ideas. Post them in completely random order if you want. No-one is asking for a refined system. Let the members of QGL test your ideas against your ridiculous claims for the death penalty for assault. It's one thing to try and sound all edgy with your original ideas, but it is another to back them up with something even remotely substantial, which so far you have failed to do so.

last edited by fpot at 16:04:48 05/Mar/09

Zy the reason I am getting into you is because I found your initial claims of wanting to discontinue lives of violent people utterly ludicrous.

Pfft, whatever. It's because you are getting a rise out of him haha.

i like how fpot attacks people that are different