So I'd just walked out of the office and a police car drove by, and both the cops were looking at me. I just walked on and then heard a car horn through my headphones (listening to Muse) and just kept walking.. then they turned the sirens on so I looked around and they called me over.

They asked for my ID and I asked why, and they're like "oh don't worry, you're not in trouble" (...obviously, because I've done nothing wrong, so duh). I had a chat to them and turns out they're collecting details from people in the area - I assume starting with all the people that look like felons, like I do when I walk to/from work:

http://trog.qgl.org/up/trog-profiled.jpg

I talked to them a bit more, basically their explanation was that there's been a lot of break-ins/stolen cars in the area (we're right between two train stations and apparently train stations are like criminal magnets), and I guess I look like one.

I pointed out the fact that I work right there and I'm not a habitual carjacker and had a bit of a chat; ended up giving them my license and phone number which they noted down (then I asked them for their cards, of which they had none, but they wrote down their details for me). I didn't actually need to but both the guys were fairly cool about the whole thing and I figure their job is hard enough dealing with people that are actually asshats.

So anyway, beware - if you are going to commit a crime, don't do it looking like an actual felon and your chances are much better.

haha bastards.

you do look shady though, and i like the boxes of stolen goods behind you. really adds to the whole shady character thing

It's because you are obviously a dirty mexican.

Someone's about to have a crime pinned on them...

haha lucky I've got the briefcase tonight eh trog

People make snap judgements when they spot someone on the street. You need to have an obvious thing about you that people can judge you by, like a dog, or newspaper - and then suddenly instead of "shady guy on footpath" you become "man with dog" or "man with newspaper" - once they see this, they'll feel like they understand your purpose and judge you differently.

I have to say, living in the area and having had my apartment broken into (and knowing that a lot of the guys I work with drive cars and park them around the place), I am all for the po-lice being active around here.

I actually saw a plainclothes detective pull up some group of kids a couple weeks ago and do almost the same thing - this was like 9am in the morning during school holidays while they were just hanging around in the park (seriously who hangs around in a park at 9am?!?).

the beanie and aviators cinched it

All you need now is one of those baseball caps with the sticker still on the brim, eminem.

Should have arrested you for listening to Muse

yeh albino middle eastern terrorist if ever i seens one :D

Damn Albinoians.

If it helps at all every time I've flown interstate I've been asked aside for that explosive residue test, Dan says I look like a thug with a shaved head :(

no doubt your hair was visable

What's the deal with train stations being criminal magnets, is it because criminals enjoy using public transport? If I was to commit a crime I'd be 10 times more nervous having to rely on Queensland Rail for my bloody get-away.

had this happen to me about 2 years ago, was waiting for a mate and the train at the same time so i was kinda looking suss by walking up and down the ramp (sounds dumb now i think about it)

id, info written down, goes in a big database they do this all over the place. links together who you're with, what time, where etc in just a massive db, i forget what it's called.

then they just picked some random black school kid and asked for his id when he was just walking down to the train like a normal person

lolz

Heh, I get this all the time.
First time I went through the airport just the other day that I didn't get pegged for a "random" drug/explosives test. I actually waited for em to come an ask me an they were looking at me like "is there something else?" I just replied "well, normally I get sniffed, this would be the first time that I haven't"

Distracted them just long enough to let a ninja riding a dragon bypass the metal detectors.

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It was clearly the sunnies. Too big for your head!! *Chuckle chuckle* (noticing that your head is tilt up so they don't fall off:P..)

What's the deal with train stations being criminal magnets

people steal stuff just before the train arrives, then hop on the train, and hop off pretty much at the next stop, just to get away from the place as quick as possible.

got told years ago that's how it normally happens, and even saw it in action one night. Was on the beenleigh train going home one night and when it stopped at fairfield a couple of teenagers ran onto the train carrying a pillow case with stuff in it and a vcr. I thought "lol, suss much?" and they were all out of breath and looking back down the train going "did he get on? did he? yes he did" and they started walking towards the other end of the train. next second 2 cops walk in from the other carriage and escorted them off the train at yerongpilly. last i saw they both had their books out taking down details.

You've had your apartment broken into in taringa?

What level are you on?

I'm about to move into an apartment in taringa, i thought they'd be safer than houses.

:/


most of today's urban youth look like drug pushers. cops must be busy

hey trog i'm going to assuming you legally aquired that 40" lcd tv, right?

I think it's good the police are being proactive, especially because they're willing to have a chat to the people they pull up and not just quiz them. They're not just sitting back and they're getting out in the community. They were right to pull up Trog though, he's one shady mofo

can I have a uber high res of that pic plz Trog?

ahah f*** that's bad ass!

id, info written down, goes in a big database they do this all over the place. links together who you're with, what time, where etc in just a massive db, i forget what it's called.

that's pretty f***ing worrying. i would politely decline and be on my way.. i think randomly asking for people's ID's and entering it into some kind of massive big brother database where they track who hangs out with who is taking crime-fighting a bit far.

i think randomly asking for people's ID's and entering it into some kind of massive big brother database where they track who hangs out with who is taking crime-fighting it a bit far.

fixed?


I'm sure no one would ever do that..

that's pretty f***ing worrying. i would politely decline and be on my way.. i think randomly asking for people's ID's and entering it into some kind of massive big brother database where they track who hangs out with who is taking crime-fighting a bit far.

Sounds like conspiracy theory nutism.

You should of run as soon as you established eye contact with them

hahahaha

I assume starting with all the people that look like felons, like I do when I walk to/from work:

You first mistake was wearing a beanie. I have no idea what they have against people with beanies. Once was in Ashgrove....apparently some teacher got attacked. I was wearing a beanie, walking down the road a long way from the incident but they pulled over and long story short I was in the back of their car while my bus went by...explanation...I looked dodgy in a beanie and shouldn't dress like that at night (middle of winter...). They gave me a lift home at least.

i would politely decline and be on my way.. i think randomly asking for people's ID's and entering it into some kind of massive big brother database where they track who hangs out with who is taking crime-fighting a bit far.

In some instances it's an offence to decline to show ID. See s 40 of the PPRA.

Sounds like conspiracy theory nutism.

Lets hope so!

also - lol koopz ;D

haha, you should have looked at them, then took off in the other direction across the park.



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Nice post ara but it needs more f***s and niggas.

In some instances it's an offence to decline to show ID. See s 40 of the PPRA.

The prescribed circumstances can be found in s41

a friend of mine did some work for the qld police on statistics, mentioned a few interesting tidbits. Apparently probable cause for search is "male, age 18-30."

trog you should stop taking fashion tips from chub.

gold mate :P

Less talking and more photochopping the original pic!

trog you should stop taking fashion tips from chub.

+1

noone wears aviators anymore


strictly wayfarer

it's amazing how much the cops know....I mean considering a lot of them don't exactly look like rocket surgeons. When I was 18 we were in the mall drunk one morning after leaving the casino and started talking to some school girls (they were friends from the year below us). Within about 2 minutes the cops came up and addressed me and my mates by our first names and brought up some minor indescretions* we had had with the popo in the past and politely asked us to move along.

*as in very minor indescrtions - being drunk in puplic once or twice...no actual tickets or charges...just had details taken down.

anyone know the legalities of denying their request to take your details for no f***ing reason?

anyone know the legalities of denying their request to take your details for no f***ing reason?

I think you're perfectly within your rights to refuse to provide any information. A quick google finds this page:

The police have no general power to randomly stop and search people, or their homes. However, legislation exists that permits the police to search persons, places and vehicles when investigating crime. Such searches may occur either with or without a search warrant.

In certain circumstances the police can lawfully conduct searches on the spot without a warrant. Substantial penalties apply to persons who resist or obstruct a legitimate and lawful police search.

So I guess if they ask you for info or something if your first question is "are you actively investigating a crime?" and they say no, you can safely deny them any access to your person.

I actually recall reading a page on some gig site (like Big Day Out or something) which had the rules in more detail (mostly so drugf***ed a******s at festivals could do their best to avoid getting caught) but I can't recall exactly where it was. It detailed all your rights etc.

Popo always trying to keep a brother down.

does serve you right for dressing like a hobo though trog

Hmm, so that's why you need to "crash at my apartment at the Gold Coast for a few days"... Fugitive anyone?

they can ask ur details and search u for no reason at all these days since those new drug rules came in..

back in the day u could tell them to get f***ed if they wanted to search u.. not anymore tho

They are they law. If they need a reason it isnt hard to make one up. Reasonable suspision. One day when I was driving home from work, about 2-3 months ago. A cop drove past me, then he pulled over (i looked in the rearview) and swung around, followed me for about 2kms then pulled me over, asked me some question (whos car? name and address? you ever been done for drink driving? etc), checked my licence for a few minutes, then handed it back, said nothing and got back in the car... didnt even say thanks and bye. The only reason I can think of was I had a 6 pack on the passeneger seat, but still, how often would you see that? Probably another un-interesting story! At the time I didnt give a f*** because I was on my way home from the last day of my old work, yeeww!

They are they law. If they need a reason it isnt hard to make one up. Reasonable suspision.

Actually if you read what I wrote above, they can't just "make up a reason". They have pretty strict rules they have to follow, because otherwise they get the s*** sued out of them. I am not sure what the rules are around cars though; obviously they can pull you over randomly under certain circumstances for RBTs etc; I'm sure there's a variety of other reasons for doing it, but I'm sure their powers are limited - like, I suspect they can't just search your car unless you have a kilo of cocaine on the front seat or something.

yeah cops struggle to follow the law let alone their own rules

"we have reason to believe that u have illegal substances on ur possesion, we will now begin a search, if u refuse this search we will arrest u and take u down to the station for refusing to co-operate with police officers."

thats the kind of bulls*** u hear all the time... they just make s*** up and say they can whatever they want or u will get arrested/charged for bulls***.

I suspect they can't just search your car unless you have a kilo of cocaine on the front seat or something

they can search ur car becauce u r "suspected" to have illegal substance, whether or not they have any reason to or not... its all those new drug laws!

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I realise there are rather strict rules and im not saying they just feel like pulling you over so they make something up. However if your someone they dont like and they want to search you, they could for example say they thought they say you doing gaffiti earlier, can we check your bag? Unless for some reason you have lots of people who viewed you walking home it will stick.... Im sure this doesnt happens often, im also sure it can and does from time to time....

Whats the colour of a two cent piece?

last edited by DeathSyndrome at 12:07:31 01/Aug/08

From the same page I linked above:

Search of Persons without a Search Warrant

If a police officer reasonably suspects that a person is in possession of:

* a dangerous drug;
* evidence of a drug offence;
* a chemical used, or a piece of property contaminated by a chemical used, in the manufacture of a dangerous drug; and/or
* any property or funds associated with a drug offence

The officer may stop and search the person, together with anything in possession of the person. If it is not practicable for the officer to conduct a search of the person where stopped, the officer may take the person, together with anything in possession of the person, to another place to be searched.

Any evidence of a drug offence, and/or thing liable to forfeiture, may be seized.

Doesn't actually say what happens if you attempt to refuse so I don't know if I can believe your claim that you'll get arrested if you fail to comply, but I guess its certainly possible.

Here's another really good link: legalaid.qld.gov.au's FAQ on Do I have to talk to the police?

The police can generally ask you to provide your name and address especially where they reasonably suspect that you have broken the law.

its nice how open and grey the law is. "reasonable" is a pretty loose word which they can use to their advantage quite alot.

"U just drove out of the valley, which is a high drug trafficking area, so its reasonable to assume that u r a drug runner and im goin to harrass u and search u for 20minutes, until i find nothing and send u on ur way, without a thank you or an apology for wasting ur time"

Cops
Come and try to snatch my crops
These pigs wanna blow my house down
Head underground
To the next town
They get mad
When they come to raid my pad
And I'm out in the nine deuce Cad'
Yes I'm the pirate pilot
Of this ship if I get
Wit' the ultraviolet dream
Hide from the red light beam
Now do you believe in the unseen
Look, but don't make your eyes strain
A fellow like me is goin' insane

i think trent from punchbowl says it best

"coppas coppas, punch em in the face,
coppas coppas.. but ur still a coppa and ur gayyyyy"

its nice how open and grey the law is. "reasonable" is a pretty loose word which they can use to their advantage quite alot.

I dunno, fortunately a lot of decent police work can be done by profiling douchebags because drugf***ed valley bunnies all tend to the look the same, right? It's not like they've decided to randomly go after raver types because they don't like their glow-sticks, its because they've realised if there's two people coming out at some weird hour, and one person is wearing a business suit and carrying a briefcase and looking soul-destroyed after working 16 hours and the other person looks hopped up on something, the latter one is more likely to yield results if they hold them by the ankles and shake, right?

i'll tell you what mate, the next f***en cop who pulls me over i'll tell the c*** to get f***ed. stop harassing me! f***en cops down in croydon, treat me like a f***en s***!

i'll tell you what mate, if i lose my license either you, one of those bastards from vicroads or one of these bastards down here in croydon can do my f***en junkmail route.

Don't trust the police, no justice no peace
They got me face down, in the middle of the street
Pistol whip me with the heat, chicken s***s sizzling
Trying to serve me the all-you-can eat murder beef

they serve justice by the pound and deliver it by the pounding

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lesson #1: always wear a helmet. cops wont like you!