It's been my experience with visiting Physio's in the past that they are largely f***ing useless. However I have a problem with my shoulders that I suspect only a physio can fix, so I wanna go see a good one.

Can anyone recommend a top-shelf Physio on the Northside or in The Valley?

Thanks

try a chiropractor.

try a chiropractor.

Care to suggest why? Or do you like just being argumentitive?

Sorry, I heard they are better than physios. You should look into it.

I just got back from my 4th appointment with the physios at UQ.

$25 for an hour, but you get a supervised student. I, like you, was totally skeptical about the ability of physios, but have been pleasantly surprised. They seem to know their stuff at UQ.

It's been my experience with visiting Physio's in the past that they are largely f***ing useless

coudlnt agree more

ive had a stack of issues with shoulder/back/groin and have had pretty much zero return from physios

at least i got some joy with my back at a osteopath (eventually after a ton of visits)

i rekn goto a gp if you know a good one. my old man recently had a problem with his shoulder where it got so sore he could hardly turn his head from side to side. he went to a physio who got him a little extra movement, then later went to a chiro who almost got him full movement back at the expense of a lot of pain. then he finally went to his gp who got him xrayed & found that of 4 main tendons in his shoulder, 3 had partially come away from the bone & only one muscle was doing all the work... the physio & chiro crap probably just aggravated the problem.

I was thinking about this: because UQ are students in training, they do everything by the book by starting off with the most simple questions then getting more and more specific. I reckon because they are learning in the progress there is a massive emphasis on doing physio the right way, which may be neglected when you go to a different physiotherapist, who might have the bare minimum requirements needed to call themselves a "physio".

Try UQ. $25, can't go wrong.

ive had a stack of issues with shoulder/back/groin and have had pretty much zero return from physios

Did you do the exercises they gave you for longer than like, 2 days? I almost never do them.

At GDC I went to a lecture on using video games (specifically, Wii) to try and help Parkinson's patients - apparently they have the same problem with them, too - clinical studies have shown Parkinsons patients can get quite a lot of benefit from exercise, but exercise is boring so noone does it.

What this company is doing is building games with the Wii that focus on movements/exercises that form the basis of gameplay.

I was thinking how cool it'd be to do that w/ physio stuff as well; I know it'd make me a lot more likely to actually do my physio-set exercises!

probably not a bad idea demon (only if you have a good gp though)

mate of mine has dr paul as his gp (dr for the lions, excellent sports doctor)

i tried to go see him about my groin the other day (shes a beaut) but hes not taking any new patients :(

i hit the chiro once a week, nothing feels better than a good back cracking

Chiropractic is alternative medicine. Personally, I don't and wouldn't trust anyone who thinks they can solve all my problems by twisting my spine (reflexology anyone?). It's more a massage treatment, and as such feels good, but might not actually solve your problem in the long run. Although they might give good advice and possibly be quite helpful, I wouldn't go see one over going to see a good physio, but it may ok seeing one complementary to a physio.

On a side note, the guy who made chiropractic did his first "treatment" on a deaf dude, and by cracking his spine made him hear again ... Something about that just does not sit right with me.

Chiropractic is alternative medicine.

what. the. f***.
you have got to be kidding, seriously.

I go to the chiropractor because I'm 205-210cm tall and I have bad posture or I hurt my back by doing silly things
having someone put pressure in the right places to release pressure in my spine is hardly alternative, it's f***ing wickid.

Research it, seriously. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying it's bad. If it helps you, that's great, just most people don't know.

I guess you might have something there but all my problems are spine related and can be fixed/treated with chiro visits
I've never tried anything but seeing a chiropractor, if there was some kind of stretching/excersizes I could do to prevent/fix the pain when I get it, I would probably do it

I sat in my chiros office the other day and tried to work out how much he makes a year
It's somewhere above $500,000 before tax judging on the hours he works and the average amount of patients he gets through in an hour

it must work for lots of people

See, there might be, and it could help to go to a good physio and get yourself sorted out. But if your'e comfortable paying for a back crack every week, that works too.

Sorry for thread hijack :P

Agreed, not to take this thread off topic and back to the "people who go to chiropractors vs. sane people" but us here in real medicine do consider chiropracty to fall within the spectrum of alternative medicine, along with osteopathy, homeopathy etc...

I'll decide what's real medicine and what's not thanks
and trust me, it's not Dr.Pepper

lol real medicine.

I agree with demon, if you have any chronic problems you really should speak to your GP or proper sports medicine dr. Because if the actual damage is not properly diagnosed seeing Physio/Chiro/Monkey magic will probably aggravate your injuries.

A physio will aggravate your injuries? Wrong. A physio is a SCIENTIST who specialises in the human body...

If you went to see a GP they would refer you to a physio.


last edited by Idol at 15:11:01 28/Feb/08

Opec: the gp will tell you to go see a physio, and "sports medicine doctors" are physios :P

Teq and d0mino - chiropractics is essentially voodoo magic, has no basis in any scientific research, can be HARMFUL, and well.... why would you get therapy from a person who has not finished high school....?? You realise there are no qualifications for being a chiropractor - because that would be like certifying someone to be a clairvoyant or ghostbuster.

I don't doubt having a 60 year old man's hands all over your back would leave you feeling satisfied - but I guarantee you there are old men out there who are willing to give you that treatment for free of charge.

last edited by Idol at 15:20:33 28/Feb/08

A physio is a SCIENTIST who specialises in the human body...

ahah, physio is like any other branch of medicine - gambling on the percentages. YEH, I SAID IT

just do what works i say. gf had back troubles and went to see several different physios - very minimal result. went to one chiro - i reckon she got worse. went to another chiro (dr alan brown at windsor) and he fixed her up no troubles. Good bloke too, not terribly old (in his 30s) and looks like Jonathan Richman.

I was a mega skeptic (I come from a long line of ambo's, doctors and nurses) and anything that isn't traditional medicine i put down as hokey bulls***. But after seeing the effects for myself, I am quite open to the ideas. People wouldn't go to them if they didn't work at all.

last edited by Mr Hardware at 15:23:43 28/Feb/08

She got better by herself and you can't prove otherwise Hardware. No true skeptic would change their mind based on one single anecdote of an uncontrolled situation. I mean did your girlfriend have a twin sister with the same ailment who DIDN'T go to a Chiro and continued to hurt? No - then you don't really have the necessary data to going around telling people you've changed your mind.

You need an OP 1 to get into Physiotherapy (not that you NEED to be that smart - it's just very popular) - so a lot of smart people do it just cos they can.

last edited by Idol at 15:27:47 28/Feb/08

Opec: the gp will tell you to go see a physio, and "sports medicine doctors" are physios :P

I said chronic pains. Obviously that means after visits to various other people didn't work. Like demon said the problem his dad had no amount of physio will fix it.

I'm never going to convince you Idol. I believe, thats all that matters.

haha you are a fruitloop idol
that first post to opec and the edit cracked me up

Of course you can convince me, - just not with ill-conceived conclusions based on friend-of-a-friend stories.

They probably CAN fix your ailment - but the fact that one chiropractor can and another cannot should give you a clue that the chiropractics itself is not what is doing the trick. Your chiropractor may have read the physotherapy article on wikipedia - that's not going to guarantee every chiro will know that stuff - since they don't need to pass any tests or exams or anything to become a chiropractor. A physio DOES have to prove they know their s***. Doesn't that make sense to you?

A chiropractors concern is not to make you a better person. They are a lot like 'fitness first' gyms where their number 1 goal is to get you to make a big commitment - usually by bringing your children with their undeveloped bones in and training them to believe in chiropractics from a young age. I work in marketing and the national Chiro assoc or whatever is one of our clients and some of the s*** they say about bringing the whole family in makes me sick - they even made us put a picture of a dog on their website - I dunno maybe so you bring your dog in to... why not... They have this whole scam going where different chiropractors use the same 'branding' on their signs and business cards so that all chiropractors appear to be from some national legitimate organisation... it's all horse s***

last edited by Idol at 15:40:51 28/Feb/08

extremely rare, but i agree with Jim.

but the fact that one chiropractor can and another cannot should give you a clue that the chiropractics itself is not what is doing the trick.

yeah cos that _never_ happens with doctors

They are a lot like 'fitness first' gyms where their number 1 goal is to get you to make a big commitment

Unlike physios - "oh, btw, you'll need to come back every 3 days for the next 2 months so we can really get on top of this thing!"

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that from a physio, I'd have enough money to pay for all the phsyio sessions that they want me to have!

yeah cos that _never_ happens with doctors

No it doesn't, and if you say it does you're just like one of those people who says "communism worked in theory" because the reality is that if something doesn't work in practice then it doesn't work in theory either - just the theory was wrong. So what I'm saying is that if a scientist does their job properly, different scientists should come to the same conclusion. If 2 doctors give different diagnosis then there is more to it than the science failing.

but the fact that one chiropractor can and another cannot should give you a clue that the chiropractics itself is not what is doing the trick.
yeah cos that _never_ happens with doctors


exactly, not a very good argument idol. I agree with Mr H, do whatever works. Depending on what the problem is will determine whether a physio/chiropractor or whatever will work best. My best mate gets bowen therapy done for her back problems and it really works for her condition.

What a bunch of noobs.

No it doesn't

Yes, it does

you're just like one of those people who says "communism worked in theory"

lol.

No it doesn't, and if you say it does you're just like one of those people who says "communism worked in theory" because the reality is that if something doesn't work in practice then it doesn't work in theory either - just the theory was wrong. So what I'm saying is that if a scientist does their job properly, different scientists should come to the same conclusion. If 2 doctors give different diagnosis then there is more to it than the science failing.

You're living in a fantasy world dude.

I'm reluctant to draw a parallel from something on TV, but - have you even seen House? That entire show is founded on the basis that not every doctor can give the right answer all the time. The phrase "second opinion" was born of the medical profession. Googling for "different diagnosis" gives thousands of anecdotal stories about it.

Hence, my tongue-in-cheek comment above about medicine just being a numbers game. Medicine is a field that is _based_ on science, or perhaps more accurately, on the scientific method. It's not like maths where 1+1 always = 2. There's often really good reasons why two doctors would give two diagnoses; in fact I'd guess its quite possible that often they're both right, too.

Go see a bloke called Dirk Harm, he's based at McDowall Village. Dont be put off by his last name cause he -will- hurt you! no pain no gain.

Funnily enough he used to be a dj in at west end and is an absolute champion to talk too. He bulk bills too.

I'm reluctant to draw a parallel from something on TV

What the Hell trog, wash your mouth (err hands?) out with soap young man. TV _ALWAYS_ has the answer.

When will I learn? The answer to life's problems aren't at the bottom of a bottle, they're on TV!

last edited by Hogfather at 17:22:08 28/Feb/08

you have pm phar..but just realised you said n'side or valley..

So what I'm saying is that if a scientist does their job properly, different scientists should come to the same conclusion. If 2 doctors give different diagnosis then there is more to it than the science failing.

Science isn't that ridged.

Oh and Chiropractic is a complementary and alternative medicine health care profession

That doesn't mean it doesn't relieve symptoms, and it doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

That being said...

PBS Was Correct to Critize Chiropractic Pseudoscience

Subluxation: dogma or science?

Back Off, Chiropractors!