for the first time ever i was told to go see someone about my anxiety, which i didnt think was necassary, because everyones got a little bit of anxiety in them but anyway, i went to see this guy and he proscribed me anti depressent pills for anxiety like wtf anyway i woke up this morning after taking one the previous night and i dont know wtf is in them but i woke up and i felt like if this was my last day on earth i better make it good. and to be honest it f***ing freaked me out am i the only one who when taken tablets for anxiety have got this reaction ??? >.<

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you probably have depression and he's just being nice

Man up
deal with it an get over it

an if you can't

Along the road, not across the road, mkay

well anxiety and depression are linked in some ways. don't take the pills though. Anti-depressive pills actually up your chance of offing yourself apparently.

but im not depressed zzzz.

Hey, is the medication called luvox? I went through a similar thing a few years back, really bad anxiety.....I would have trouble breathing and always felt like I have a brick stuck in my chest!

This went on for a few years and I saw my GP she convinced me to take this medication called luvox. I though I would give anything a try and holy f***! These things where like acid tabs I swear I only took them for 3 days as I was having some seriously mental thoughts....

To cut a long story short as it turns out 2 years later I am diagnosed with having reoccurring spontaneous phneumorax (collapsed lung). Hence the symptoms for my anxiety was due to my lung collapsing several time over 5-6 years..

Ended up having surgery to fix my gammy lung.

go back and say they didnt work, get some xanax instead.

anti depressant pills have a calming effect aswell... I wouldn't seek advice from QGL, go see a psychiatrist.

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Yeah don't take antidepressants, too many side effects and they don't fix the problems, just numb you to them.

how about you just have some cement and harden the f*** up

anxiety is the most bulls*** mental illness.
i get anxious quite easily, over just about anything, i always though it was my personality untill someone told me i should go see a doctor, so i did, and yes he prescribed me a f*** load of anti-depressants. i tossed the prescribtion in the bin and delt with it myself.
i can get anxious over good things and bad thigns, if i get depressed i instantly get anxious, if i get excited, i get anxious. just about every one does just at different degrees. infact id say that everyone will at some point feel a sever form of anxiety at some point of there life

from an NLP perspective clinical anxiety is caused by your brain peforming patterns based on significant feelings, which is why when i get depressed or excited i get anxious, if i was to take anti depressants it would just numb those emotions thus i wont get anxious. however through hypnotherapy or some selective pyschiatric alternatives you can have your brain trained into not getting anxious.

i personally just learned to calm myself down and deal with it, i rarely have a bout of anxiety and if i do i just relax myself and "turn it off".

it's not just a simple case of "harden the f*** up"... many people have been saved from suicide by taking antidepressents.. just comes down to how much you need it.. Doctors will prescribe you anything, don't take them too seriously, they're just trying to get in and out of their room asap.

anxiety is the most bulls*** mental illness.
i get anxious quite easily, over just about anything, i always though it was my personality untill someone told me i should go see a doctor, so i did, and yes he prescribed me a f*** load of anti-depressants. i tossed the prescribtion in the bin and delt with it myself.

i personally just learned to calm myself down and deal with it, i rarely have a bout of anxiety and if i do i just relax myself and "turn it off".

I don't think it's bulls***, it's actually kinda weird. Years ago I had anxiety disorder (panic attacks) and they just came from nowhere. But I never took drugs to dull them - I had some counselling and the people I went to were all about natural remedies. A bonus was the lady was a yoga teacher and taught me some relaxation exercises and after a few weeks the worst of it was over.

So I agree with Grog - the best advice for people who are anxious/have panic attacks is to just learn to control it and and it'll soon go away/not be much of a problem by itself.

last edited by Saint at 07:12:06 21/Feb/08

ive got a stack of happy pills in my freezer

haha

I'm going into my honours year of Psychology this year and I have an interest in clinical psychology (which deals with this sort of thing). We need nubbin in here to lay down the smack on some misinformation.

well anxiety and depression are linked in some ways. don't take the pills though. Anti-depressive pills actually up your chance of offing yourself apparently.

FALSE. I recently read a journal that published a study about this possible link. Anti-depressants still decrease your chances of committing suicide.

The other thing to note is the HUGE difference between PSYCHOLOGY and PSYCHIATRY. Pyschiatrists are trained medical doctors who specialise in mental health. From my and my sister's understanding, their focus is to treat mental disorders with drugs and psychodynamic theory. Although there is truckloads of evidence to show that drugs fix the symptoms of mental disorders like anxiety (and it's a shame to call them "disorders" because as mentioned everyone gets it to different extents) psychodyamic theory has far less scientifically based research to support its effectiveness. Pyschodynamic theory is the stuff Freud started where problems in life are all caused from developmental stages of childhood, and are linked into how your mum and dad treated you.

Psychology on the other hand has a few different disciplines, including psychodynamic practice, but more importantly Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy. CBT is scientifically proven methods of changing thought patterns and behaviours to treat things like anxiety. Using the same sorts of statistical tests to see if pills work, CBT interventions are proven to do the same thing. However one key difference is this: pills tend to fix the SYMPTOMS of the problems and don't necessarily address WHY the problem is happening in the first place, ergo you come of your meds and you get the symptoms back. CBT looks at the symptoms and what caused them in the first place and all the things that keep them from happening and addresses each one.

I don't think it's bulls***, it's actually kinda weird. Years ago I had anxiety disorder (panic attacks) and they just came from nowhere. But I never took drugs to dull them - I had some counselling and the people I went to were all about natural remedies. A bonus was the lady was a yoga teacher and taught me some relaxation exercises and after a few weeks the worst of it was over.

Simple breathing exercises might be one thing a CBT trained psychologist might use as well, the difference is, they would teach a method that has been well researched and scientifically shown to be effective. I'm not saying that what Saint learned was wrong at all, just that in psychology everything is very well researched before used.

The best approach however, would most likely to get a referal to a psychologist from your doc (if you do it this way you get quite a lot back from Medicare) and possibly stay on the medication to treat the symptoms. A doctor and psychologist should stay in communication so as to achieve the best outcomes for you.

You should put quite a lot of faith in your doctors, but at the same time know that you have options.

so what your saying is, get off the bongs ?

Simple breathing exercises might be one thing a CBT trained psychologist might use as well, the difference is, they would teach a method that has been well researched and scientifically shown to be effective. I'm not saying that what Saint learned was wrong at all, just that in psychology everything is very well researched before used.

every trained certified pyschologist ive spoken to would never recomend anti-depressants for anxiety, only a doctor would do that for a short term fix, aka you get depressed/anxious due to stress, doctor prescribes you anti-depressants, you take for a month and by that time you are well and truely over what ever it was causing you to be depressed/anxious. people who take anti-depressants over a long term period usually have a chemical unbalance, and the anti-depressants help balance that chemical out. this is why arize woke up feeling like the world was going to end.

a pyschologist would only prescribe anti-depressants to someone who had anxiety as a short term fixed while they help cure what ever mental trigger they had causing the anxiety through therapy.

ever pyschologist i have talked to about anxiety has told me that anti-depressants do nothing for it. its purely a mental thing brought on generally by depression or over excitement.

just watch dr phil

I recently read a journal that published a study about this possible link. Anti-depressants still decrease your chances of committing suicide.

Overall I think they help many but for some people and some medications, the feeling of numbness and apathy you get from it could indeed make you not care if you were in this world or not, and hence suicide.

I had both anxiety and depression, but I had never felt so empty as when I was put on medication (and yes I've tried quite a few). It was horrible. I think the purpose is to numb people who are high in emotion, to stop them doing self-harm and to not get worked up over things (and more importantly: people) .. to calm them down.

They over-prescribe anti-depressants in situations that should not even have medication involved. I generally found psychiatrists were useless (except for the odd one that really cared), they generally try to space your appointments out so you pay heaps of money over time, without that much real activity per session. I went to a psychologist later and they seemed more in touch with their patients, since they weren't authorised to throw medication a the problem but instead had to help them solve it at the source (the actual events/problems).

wtf hermi and perna

Speaking from personal involvement with someone with anxiety, the pills that you're taking are going to mess you around for like 2-3 weeks at least. It sounds god awful, but depending on how bad you get it, you may find yourself throwing up in the mornings and/or burpy.. but this seems to disappear after a couple of weeks.

Also, bannanas and milk help if you have any form of depression, not sure if it helps with anxiety, but bannanas help with replenishing seretonin. They're a wonder herb, so have lots of smoothies.

Excercise also helps ALOT.

I had never felt so empty as when I was put on medication (and yes I've tried quite a few). It was horrible. I think the purpose is to numb people who are high in emotion, to stop them doing self-harm and to not get worked up over things (and more importantly: people) .. to calm them down.

That seems about right, anti-depressants are meant to go hand in hand with one on one treatment... Often people only get the antidepressants, and as soon as they go off them they're back to square one.

I'm not a doctor, just speaking from personal experience (not my own) with anxiety, and these things seemed to help with that particular person, not sure how it would go with everyone.

Firstly, no mental illness is bulls*** - the sooner society wakes up to this so we can support and help those suffering from these diseases the better.

Secondly, QGL is not a registered health authority. If you believe you have Anxiety then your first port of call should be a psychologist or psychiatrist. The knowledge of mental issues by the average GP is incredibly low and misdiagnosis and a treatment of "quick-fix" drugs is usually what occurs.

If you can't afford the cost of seeing a mental health professional then drop me a PM and I can have my gf (who just happens to be a clinical psychologist) suggest places to visit or certain programs you might be eligable for.

And finally - if drugs are making you feel bad, stop taking them and wait until you see a trained professional dealing in this area. Taking the wrong drugs can lead to very dangerous and life threatening consequences.

I almost whole-heartedly agree with Ticman, except I'd suggest to START at the GP, just so you can get a referal for medicare benefits.

every trained certified pyschologist ive spoken to would never recomend anti-depressants for anxiety, only a doctor would do that for a short term fix, aka you get depressed/anxious due to stress, doctor prescribes you anti-depressants, you take for a month and by that time you are well and truely over what ever it was causing you to be depressed/anxious. people who take anti-depressants over a long term period usually have a chemical unbalance, and the anti-depressants help balance that chemical out. this is why arize woke up feeling like the world was going to end.

a pyschologist would only prescribe anti-depressants to someone who had anxiety as a short term fixed while they help cure what ever mental trigger they had causing the anxiety through therapy.

ever pyschologist i have talked to about anxiety has told me that anti-depressants do nothing for it. its purely a mental thing brought on generally by depression or over excitement.

I don't know if you even read what I wrote, because I thought I clarified the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists - PSYCHOLOGISTS CANNOT PRESCRIBE DRUGS. A doctor shouldn't really be saying that you're depressed after only one visit either...

Every person is different and each disorder will affect people differently. Different treatments work differently on different people. Again, listen to Ticman.

Aye there is a little misinformation here.

There are tons of different anxiety and depression medications around. As Mr. Hardball said, the pills will only treat the symptoms, and how well they treat your symptoms depends on the combination of you and the medication your on.

Billy didn't point out, but sorta implied that Anti-depression medication works SIGNIFICANTLY better when coupled to CBT or other forms of psychotherapy.

Also, your little pieces of paper that come with the medication have information on it about side-effects. Usually if you feel manic (high levels of euphoria/happiness) as you describe it is a possible side effect and, I think, most medication suggest you speak to your doctor about it. It may seem sweet, but it isn't good in the long run.
Some people are especially sensitive to some anti-depressants. If you get buzzy feelings and whatnot, talk to your doctor as you'll probably need to change medications.

Unfortunatly, like depression, anxiety can be caused by heaps of different things. I highly suggest seeking psychological counseling. Beyond Blue is an excellent resource. It can help you find a cheaper alternative then paying full price of seeing a psychologist, unfortunately I found the general price of a psychologist to be the biggest barrier to seeking help if your have a low income.
If you can get on the program it can cost as little as $20 a session, way better then the normal $90 or so. (same psychologist, just they ger partially paid by the governments woo)

I thoroughly recommend staying the f*** away from zoloft and prozac etc. They will f*** you up. My ex had anxiety and she learned to cope with it, by becoming aware of when anxiety attacks were approaching and forcing herself to relax and rationalise.

Some important things which can help, mostly exercise and plenty of sex.

Aye, infi is kinda right. Exercise has been shown to have a great positive effect on anxiety and depression. If you are prescribed medication and seeing a psychologist, even if they don't mention it, research shows that exercising will have a very positive effect, you should jam in at least 10 mins a day of good quality exercise.

Also, a very free and good source of help is doing some sort of meditation. Again 10 mins a day will help greatly. It teaches you how to calm down quickly, and allows your brain to 'rest' so it is less likely to reach those really anxious peaks. There is heaps of physiological reasons why meditation is great. You can sit an ommmm or pray or sitting still and listen to soft calming music. Whatever floats your boat and basically has your brain doing nothing.

Well I AM a doctor, so maybe I can help.

First of all, anxiety disorders are very REAL problems that do not just occur in weak people who need to "harden the f*** up". I have seen people whose lives are crippled as a result of anxiety disorders, and require intense pharmacological (medication) and psychological input to have any sort of normal life.

The medications used to treat anxiety disorders are SSRI's, the same class of drugs used to treat depression. This is not because depression and anxiety are the same thing, or your doctor things that really you are depressed. SSRIs have been proven to be effective in the treatment of anxiety disorders in patients without a coexistent depression.

That being said, they can be a poorly tolerated class of drugs with some negative side effects. However, most of the side effects appear immediately, whereas the beneficial effects take upwards to 3 weeks to kick in. If the side effects are tolerable, and you are willing to persist with the medication, hopefully in about a month you will see an improvement in your anxiety symptoms and a reduction in the negative side effects. But these are medications that take time, and are not a "quick fix".

Hope this helps...

It can help you find a cheaper alternative then paying full price of seeing a psychologist, unfortunately I found the general price of a psychologist to be the biggest barrier to seeking help if your have a low income.
If you can get on the program it can cost as little as $20 a session, way better then the normal $90 or so. (same psychologist, just they ger partially paid by the governments woo)

Yes they can be expensive! That's why I go on about the medicare rebate!! Definintely worth looking into.

Some important things which can help, mostly exercise and plenty of sex.

There isn't much research into the effect of exercise on depression and anxiety, but the little that has been done has shown it to be as effective as taking medication.

wtf hermi and perna

im still in shock a thread on qgl has been taking seriously :/ all i wanted was to use that line, lol

i still dont agree with anti-depressants though, people can quote me journals and s*** all they want, but as far as im concerned, i know most of uni is bulls*** from my own degree, and everyone ive seen taking anti-depressants in real life haven't benefitted at all - while they may not be depressed, they certainly arent "happy", they still dont enjoy life, and once they come off them their life goes in a downward spiral worse than before the started - which just turns it into an addiction, how is that any better?

people really need to realise that because they are mental problems, they can change them naturally (even on their own, just change the way they think)

im still in shock a thread on qgl has been taking seriously :/ all i wanted was to use that line, lol

i still dont agree with anti-depressants though, people can quote me journals and s*** all they want, but as far as im concerned, i know most of uni is bulls*** from my own degree, and everyone ive seen taking anti-depressants in real life haven't benefitted at all - while they may not be depressed, they certainly arent "happy", they still dont enjoy life, and once they come off them their life goes in a downward spiral worse than before the started - which just turns it into an addiction, how is that any better?

people really need to realise that because they are mental problems, they can change them naturally (even on their own, just change the way they think)

I assume you made that post as an example of one that we shouldn't take seriously;)

What you are talking about is anecdotal evidence, which is basically meaningless. The drugs and therapies used to treat these sorts of things are scientifically proven whether you like it or not. If you choose not to believe in these sciences then the terrorists have already won.

join scientology asap. you have teh body thetans & only supreme grand poobar mufti tom 'bam!' cruise can help you. only him. no one else. there is no such thing as mental illness plz, it's teh thetans! ;D

haha- fun thread.

SSRIs take 2/3 weeks or so to work, they make you reeeaaall mental for the first few days, happened to me. I used SSRIs for a while for "OCD" I apparently had. In the end I stopped taking the pills and stopped going to the psychologist. They were good people trying to help me I just think that it's a battle that has to be fought by myself.

My Psychologist taught me cool techs to use like CBT. Which led me to just research the s*** out of OCD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia etc.

Some GPs are somewhat mental health educated via the "Better Outcomes in Mental Health Care Program" initiate. Basically some GPs are trained in the complexities of mental illnesses. All GPs can prescribe antidepressants however.

I asked my mum about people with OCD, and she said "everyone has bad thoughts, just don't think about them". So I didn't- I just focused on the s*** I thought that was important in life. I realize that my "OCD" and depression was just me really being selfish about not getting everything in life. In some areas I got genetically shafted but we all do. I just thought "f*** it" and went back to my hobby's and made them my life. You just have to learn to live with your baggage and say no to your anxietys and obsesses. There is also exposure therapy but I don't really know too much about it.

Maybe take up something physically and mentally challenging like boxing, where you are forced to push and challenge your physical and mental barriers. The first time you spar you will be rigid, nervous and suck. You have to overcome that and eventually you learn to be calm in a situation that would normally make you nervous. You have to learn to keep your eyes open when some one is throwing bombs at you. I think combat sports and battling your demons go hand in hand. I understand combat sports aren't for everyone though.

P.S. I do respect people with medical training, I have been to some medical professionals though which aren't professional at all and have told me horrible, horrible advice. Shop around, ask about credentials.

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In all seriousness, I went the GP route for general anxiety/depression and the meds he tried me on were :S. Lexapro put me hospital, it gave me intense vertigo, one day I slipped and cracked myself on the dunny. Xanax, although it helped (read: got you pretty wasted), it turned me into a uncoordinated zombie.

After all that failed, went to a psych, didn't like him.

Now I'm here :D

I personally don't believe taking prescribed drugs completely fix the problems at all. I believe they help and are a "band-aid" type fix, but to really fix the underlying problem it requires proper work .. seeing someone or changing lifestyle etc. Doing both things is probably a good combination as well, but *just* taking drugs to fix the problem (especially more severe cases) won't work.

An example is a friend I'd met online .. he had depression and sat at home all day and was on meds. I found out he lived near me so I met him and started getting him hanging out with my group of friends. He started getting out and about more and more and eventually got off the meds and is now fine. Zach Braff's character in Garden State would be what this was like (different reason for being on meds though!)

The drugs and therapies used to treat these sorts of things are scientifically proven whether you like it or not. If you choose not to believe in these sciences then the terrorists have already won.

Unlike the physical sciences, psychology is really on the border of what one could call 'science'. While studies can be run and look scientific in nature (setting up a hypothesis, observation, trying to analyse the results), they are generally not rigorous enough or applied properly to result in reliable and meaningful outcomes. Usually when I read a psychology paper I can't help but notice the massive assumptions that are made, and how references are meant to be authoritative and unquestioned. Works in physics/maths, but is just out of place when there are so many unknowns and variables involved with the human mind.

Medicine has a major scientific aspect to it, but nothing is completely "proven" to be safe or good, as there are always unknown side-effects based on the limitation of the testing procedure (be it the intensity, duration, external and unexpected factors). I mean s***, how many drug recalls have been made in the last decade!

Just my 5c from the point of view of someone in the physical sciences.

Unlike the physical sciences, psychology is really on the border of what one could call 'science'. While studies can be run and look scientific in nature (setting up a hypothesis, observation, trying to analyse the results), they are generally not rigorous enough or applied properly to result in reliable and meaningful outcomes.

You might say that if you don't understand how statistics work, or you're reading dodgey journal articles.

Usually when I read a psychology paper I can't help but notice the massive assumptions that are made, and how references are meant to be authoritative and unquestioned.

I understand what you're getting at, but good research doesn't tote that assumptions are anything but. Good research will be cited and used in further research, and re-researched and proven to be worthy or not.

Lexapro put me hospital, it gave me intense vertigo, one day I slipped and cracked myself on the dunny

Yeah, Lexapro was what the person i knew was on, and suffered from vertigo the first few weeks (nausea, and vommitting as well).. Was a pretty horrid state to be in, but once the side effects wore off, it did help alot...

I used to work for a charity that dealt with this sort of thing. The ones that topped themselves were the ones who didn't follow the plan to the letter. Talking with somebody should come first and only after that has not worked should medicine be looked at. Ignore anybody who says you should "man up" they have no idea what they are talking about.

I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder and take an anti- depressant to help with it. It has been very helpful. I take Lexapro and yes the first week or so was a bit rough but now it's all good.

Don;t listen to people that tell you that Anxiety is not a REAL problem. I was of this belief and didn;t seek help for a long time. Things are a lot better now that i have taken action though. It is very REAL when your experiencing it.

You might say that if you don't understand how statistics work

No I say that as an opinion, not due to ignorance. I have enough of a background in statistics and probability to know how to apply it correctly and what sort of conclusions can be drawn from it.

I just don't see the value of some of the psychology research I've come across. To me it's like what Alchemy was to Chemistry. It's in its infancy and hopefully some more can be learned in the area, but right now I wouldn't rely on its results as fact.

yeah but your opinion is that the trap was robert neville's too so how can we listen to ANYTHING you say

it WAS robert neville's.

If you want to be silly about it .. Robert Neville was too busy wondering why people don't play a real guitar instead of guitar hero, and fell into his own trap. He then took off. His funeral is next week. Other people saw what he did [there].

No I say that as an opinion, not due to ignorance. I have enough of a background in statistics and probability to know how to apply it correctly and what sort of conclusions can be drawn from it.

I'm not having a go at you, but your opinion is obviously ignorant:

I just don't see the value of some of the psychology research I've come across. To me it's like what Alchemy was to Chemistry. It's in its infancy and hopefully some more can be learned in the area, but right now I wouldn't rely on its results as fact.

If you know about validities and reliabilities you should understand and appreciate the importance of the research.

The problem is parabol, psychology (specifically CBT) does work, but attitudes like yours make it difficult for some people to seek the help that they need. There is a stigma about seeing psychologists that is a real shame. If you have a problem with your heart, you can see a doctor and get put on meds. If you have a problem with something like anxiety or depression, you can see a psychologist and get put on a different sort of med, but just as effective.

I don't know what experience you've had with psychology research, but a lot of psychology is not "in its infancy" and has been shown to be both RELIABLE and VALID. I'm using those words assuming you know what they actually mean, which I don't have a lot of confidence in considering the way you have used them in this thread.

but attitudes like yours make it difficult for some people to seek the help that they need. There is a stigma about seeing psychologists that is a real shame

Huh? I said positive things about psychologists in my first post. They are way more helpful than psychiatrists if you're not in any immediate danger to yourself and don't need meds for the short-term.

My psychology comments in general are more aimed at the academics, as I dislike many of their conclusions and generalisations. One-on-one counseling is great, I support it, but I don't see where science comes into play there.

Anyway, we agree that practising psychologists are good, so I'll leave it there.

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Other people saw what he did [there].

You can tell by looking.

it WAS robert neville's.

are their drugs for people that are wrong, but don't know it?

are their drugs for people that are wrong, but don't know it?

no, but there is school for people who don't know basic grammar.

take some valium

Huh? I said positive things about psychologists in my first post. They are way more helpful than psychiatrists if you're not in any immediate danger to yourself and don't need meds for the short-term.

My psychology comments in general are more aimed at the academics, as I dislike many of their conclusions and generalisations. One-on-one counseling is great, I support it, but I don't see where science comes into play there.

Anyway, we agree that practising psychologists are good, so I'll leave it there

Oh sorry. Good good, but just remember that you don't just "become" a psychologist and start counselling - what they do is based on years of well researched methods. I completely hear what you're saying about conclusions, but good research should mention the shortcomings of the experiments and suggest further areas for research to investigate any gaps.

infi does the plane take off?

yes I do want to be silly about it

Don't listen to people that tell you that Anxiety is not a REAL problem.

9 out of 10 professional cancer patients recommend that you should harden the f*** up... and that kids should eat wheatbix.

ever tried breathing into a paper bag when ur under the pump? i've seen it in a few movies. it must work.

it WAS robert neville's own trap and the plane DOES NOT take off. Hey, I like to be controversial.

Great thread with lots of excellent info.

I 100% agree with CBT and Psychologists rather than reaching for those Anti- Depressants. I put up with symptoms of Depression and Anxiety for the few years after Dale was diagnosed with his cancer. I didn't do anything about it until after he died - and by then naturally it was quite bad. I spent those years trying to hide it from everyone..obviously no one noticed. I refused Anti Depressants because I hate taking any sort of medication and my GP referred me to a Psychologist (I didnt have to pay for this - is bulk billed through Medicare for a certain number of visits per year). I still have some sessions available to me and when I feel I need to see her (like when Loki accuses me of crap to do with Dale's funeral) then I can go see her if i need to. CBT has been the best thing I have ever learnt and my anxiety is now pretty much under control. I think GP's are too quick to prescribe pills, because it means they don't have to fill out the big questionaire with the patient before a referral is done for a psych.

wow, i knew loki was a c*** but i didn't realise IRL loki was one too.

Hardball is such a fkn noob at life and everything else suggest /ignore.

If you actually have money and go to a mental hospital they will give you drugs AND cbt.

where the f*** does that prick get off saying that psychology owns cbt. such an ill informed noob with no real life experience. imagine having a sister smarter than you LOL

can you be more of a rude c***?^

missing a d from his nick

What you are talking about is anecdotal evidence, which is basically meaningless. The drugs and therapies used to treat these sorts of things are scientifically proven whether you like it or not.

Real life experience = meaningless? No offense, but aren't most psychological experiments and testings done under laboratory conditions or relying heavily on a person's knowledge of themselves and who they are?

The problems with the above are simple: laboratory conditions alter the state of the subjects mind and will no longer give accurate results, and people generally aren't too good at knowing who they are, especially when it comes to new problems that they haven't got their head around yet.


I've never studied psychology, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I have taken notice of what's been said in various places including online journals and news articles over the years, and I must say most results reported are inaccurate or missing too many points to be as conclusive as they would hope.


To back what I'm saying up further, a friend of a friend was seriously depressed to the point of suicide and she went to psychologists and therapists for years to no avail. She spent 3 weeks talking with me and now she's fine, quite happy in fact.

I'm not calling all psychology and that entirely wrong, but instead of pills and 'well researched' methods of help, all this person really needed was a reality check and to break through a few bogus rules found in their neural structuring.

In other words, yes some mental illnesses might be severe and require serious attention, but from what I've seen, a lot of problems can be dealt with through thought training alone (and in some cases diet/fitness).

gawd that story makes me cringe every time you bust it out to puff yourself up dice
here, read this: http://cr.yp.to/postpropter.html

Well I could use other stories if you really want, but that person was the one I spent the most time on, and also the last one because I decided I needed to use my time for other things.

Sorry to make you cringe, have no idea why it would have that effect, but that's my 2 cents on psychology and therapy ... as far as I know, they just don't get the results they claim they can.

I could be wrong, but from experience, so far I'm not.

She spent 3 weeks talking with me and now she's fine, quite happy in fact.

You should change that to read "now she appears fine". Lots of people look fine until they put a bullet through their skull or jump off the gateway. Not sure why you believe that with no training, qualifications or experience you have just wiped someones problems away in 3 weeks.

that's why I posted the post hoc ergo propter hoc link
and cringed

haha hardball

im still in shock a thread on qgl has been taking seriously :/ all i wanted was to use that line, lol

only on my thread ^_^, and ive been taking them for a week but yes the side affects are terrible feeling sick when i wake up, sometimes throwing up no more then once a morning, and lots of of otheres but the rest are tolerable, not eating as much, drinking alot, sleeping alot. etc. but yes im not sure if i will persist with them, if this keeps up, ill probably learn to do it the natural way and learn to just try and calm myself down with out a perscription.

Sounds like you need to ditch those meds and try another lot. It is wrong to think, 'These meds didn't work, therefor all meds wont work'.

For most people, by the time they decide to see a psychologist their symptoms are quite harsh.
A general symptom with depression is having recurrent thoughts, you tend to think over the same stuff time and time again looking for answers and never finding them. You get locked into a circle that is really, really hard to break out of. Meds are used to help break up those recurrent thoughts a bit, put a few gaps in the circle so it makes it a lot easier to break out of it and move on. The breaking out part is what psychologist are for.


I fully believe that doctors should prescribe psychologist sessions along with anti-depressants. They are both needed and having one without the other is almost pointless for people with more then moderate illness. Certainly if you have prescribed meds then the person most defiantly needs to see someone in an ongoing basis, otherwise the meds are wasted.


Something that gives meds a bad name is the 'X person was taking them and she stopped she went even more crazy'. These stories arise because people just stop taking their meds cold turkey, maybe they ran out and couldn't be bothered getting more. In general they need to be weened off, while still seeing a psychologist.

You should change that to read "now she appears fine". Lots of people look fine until they put a bullet through their skull or jump off the gateway. Not sure why you believe that with no training, qualifications or experience you have just wiped someones problems away in 3 weeks.

It's a year and a half later and she's still doing well. I believe it because I see it. I went through depression myself, so I just pass on what I had to learn to get out of it and it works. It's not rocket science ... (as the cliche goes).

Anyway, I better shut up now before Jim bans me again for voicing an opinion opposing his/others.

Forget I said anything, I only came back here in hope that Threewave was going to be played.

yeah cos that's why you got banned, doofus

Wasn't it? From memory I had been on my best behaviour after that previous experience that got about 8 of the members posting against me ... but everything I said was causing a storm, so you banned me because I was causing too much trouble (even though I was being nice about it and being the one insulted rather than the insulter) ... right?

Did I miss something?

If you had've banned me for the previous thread I would've said "yeah, deserved it, my bad", but I'm pretty sure the ban came when I didn't deserve it.

can someone just ban this c*** already

Harden the f*** up doofus

gaz :P
i know you love me

btw you're not playing enough ra3, get on the server immediately

anti anxiety pills for depression wtf!?

tldr

kill yourself.

you were banned for hating on tits

yeah ur the tit hater! and that's not cool mang

here's a tip from acetames lessons in life:

the cure to depression, is not a pill or a psycologist..

the cure starts deep inside your muscles, you must awaken them by attending 5 day split regime at the gym. in those 5 days your focus will be intense power lifting, with maximum weight at low repititons. Your physique will be much more pronounced, and you will be feared.

this is the katalyst that will make you, a greater contributer to the world, and for yourself, you will have energy bouncing in your legs, you won't just step inside the office, you will explode in the door, your colleagues will look up to you and repsect your dedication to the artform.

acetame OUT

I've never hated on tits.

Propaganda at its worst. It was about showing them in public ... which I'm also cool with, but I still hold that opinion from way back that we won't be talking about ever again.

Anyway back on topic ... drugs, depression, anxiety, doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists etc ...

most of us begin life suckling on a breast. If we're lucky we end life suckling on a breast. So anybody who's against breasts is against life itself.
Denny Crane.

OATH! tits for life.

Tits. and hate those words never belong together if you use them in the same sentence you are a flaming poof dice come out of the closet you FAGET

bearing breasts is one of the dumbest acts known to man. "hey look at me i'm doing something condemned by the politically correct types, i'm such a badass, wow, i have mounds of flesh used to feed my babies, everyone look!"

i couldn't care less if girls walked around topless at all times, just the fact that they make out like it's a big deal that they're doing it annoys the hell out of me

that's hating on tits any way you spin it

LOL4life

1+ for topless girls

topless chicks for president

FAGET c*** TIT HATER.

anyhow insta-cure for anxiety etc

go to pub, get semi-pissed(UGOTS TO DRIVE!!:!), have a bet, buy takeaways

go home eat whatever junkfood or leftovers u can find

drink takeaways, break out the porn, u know the rest, pass out.

ROBERTS YR BRUVAS FARVER AND FANNIES YR AUNTY OK?

get up, start agin lol

ps ky is yr friend

one day I slipped and cracked myself on the dunny

elbow deep inside the borderline huh?

That's so not hating on tits. That was hating on the way people act about it all.

hating on free boobage is pretty gay man. seriously.

Someone give Dice a shovel.

I think my keyboard is doing a good enough job as it is, but thanks anyway.

http://www.montana.co.nz/images/images/wines_classic06.jpg

Unlike nubbin, I'm not a doctor, but this is my self prescribed anti-anxiety medication

Try it out sometime, works okay. Next day the anxiety is back and amplified (depending on the dosage), but nothing some good hardcore porn won't fix.

What you need is a good Scientologist.... I hear Tom Cruise is full of good advice you should look him up sometime.

well he is living with a guy who constantly talks about his poo fingers on ra3, this might explain it all dice.

No idea, G, I was ignoring your D&M with him.

this is excellent for looking at tits
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5579

I tried your link Jim
Handed over my cc details and still nothing.
When do i get to look at tits?

nice boobies make me feel less anxious

Any time you're feeling anxious or depressed, just remember things can always be worse unless of course that's what's making you depressed.

Article.

A clinical advisor to Beyond Blue says he is not surprised by a British study which suggests antidepressants could be largely ineffective.

The study, published in the online journal Public Library of Science Medicine, has found in many cases patients would get as much help by taking a placebo.