Just heard this today, but last week's health report on News Radio spoke about the damage binging on E does to your brain. Supposedly casual/light use seems ok, but popping more than one pill in a night damages dopamine transmitters in the brain which (may) lead to parkinson's diesease.
Haha, what a bulls*** article man. I only smoke 12 joints a day and do a line of coke and look at me, I'm 38 years old, living off the government and set for life.
f***ing retards who take E though, I swear they're retarded who take those f***ing hardcore drugs.
PS - I'm a drug f***ed looser who lives with his parents and will until the day my body spontaniously combusts into a ball of fire due to my constant drug abuse of my internal organs which despite all the denial in the world, is actually causing me damage.
PPS - I'm not a drug user, the above post was sarcastic, for the most part.
Everyone around me is becomming f***ed up due to drugs, my best friends girlfriend (16) started taking speed everyday and a s***load of other chems at the weekends..now shes a completly differnt person...she now has the trademark ignorence of a crack head, its really sad to see.
My other friends are mentally addicted to weed, if they dont smoke it they turn into f***ing a******s, they call chem users junkies when they look/act/sound 10x worse when their stoned or trying to score weed.
Another friend of mine liked pills, now hes a local hardcore dj who hangs around with people who smoke ice daily who are so untrustworthy you couldnt turn your back on them.
Lots of people i know are starting to show signs of skitzophrenia due to chronic weed smoking and are turning into complete a******s.
Drugs are fun at first untill they start changing you through chemical imbalance.....sure, theres lots of proof that drugs wont harm you physicaly but mentaly its a total different ballpark
Some drugs can be unreal fun just as long as you don't go spastic on them and take them all the time. I couldn't even imagine taking speed everyday, that would suck plus you'd be like a damn zombie. I wont be touching anything for a month and a half until I head back into the Family to see Cosmic Gate. This is gonna be so awesome.
Asif its not the parents fault aswell.! heh, if i ever have kids, and they start doing this s*** and i find out about it, they're not gonna see day light for a while.
Suhaib, yay then in future they will be more careful when they do drugs, and so you wont know what they ARE doing. Plus you could make hate you! (I know someone who hates her father BIG time just cus he hit her when she was a kid (you know normal smacks and s*** nothing serious))
Id rather know what they are doing when they go out, and how much of it.
I just finished reading the report, really interesting.
1 Monkey and 1 Baboon died due to having 2-3 dosages, 1 every 3 hours in the one night. Each dosage was about the amount of standard pill. 2 mg/kg of body weight. So about 200 mg's worth.
The monkey died shortly after the 2nd dosage, and the baboon died after the third. Both related to Malignent Hyperthmia.. that is the body temp rises to extreame fatal levels, 40c +.
1 monkey and 1 baboon stoped their dosages short as they showed adverse reactions.
The aim of the study was to mimick a party goers regiem of having a couple of pills in the one night.
That is the ONE night, not a couple of pills this night, and a couple more 2 months later.
They study found that having REPEATED dosages in the one night, even just two. Can damage the 'nerve endings' of your brain cells. Specifically the ones that bind with seratonin and dompamine transmitters.
This damage, which allthough has little effect when you are young, can have HUGE effects when you get older.
As you get older your body natually drops in dopamine count, slowly over time it goes down. Normally it is ok for this to happen, it is one of the reasons why elderly people are a little less co-ordinated and whatnot.
Combine this natual decay with the damaged brain cells and you can have drastic deficenticy with the binding of these transmitters to the brain cells. Which means you loose your co-ordination much quicker as you get older.
Parkinsons disease is diagnosed when you lose roughly 70-80% of this efficiency . At this level you start having major trouble drinking a cup of tea, you wont be driving, and games.. not a chance.
So if you are at say 50% efficiency you will notice a huge decline in your gaming abilities, you know those Zombies in Half-Life will find it easy to kill you, as you will have ALOT of trouble aiming them up.
Hmmf, I rekon even at 80% efficiency you will be having trouble with fine aiming, Head shots will prove very difficult, you'd want to be happy with the occasional body shot.
Also those who talk of moderation. People would say that having 2 pills in the one night and not having any more for say 2 months is in moderation... Acording to this study having more then 1 pill in the night is in excess of moderation.
However, this study simulated the aging process of dompamine and whatnot in the brains of the monkies so that it occured over several weeks with the use of certain chemicals that block the production and uptake of other chemicals in the brain, similar to how it would be if you got older. So there could be repairing mechanisms that could help prevent such problems.
Just ask yourself, do you like to gamble?
EDIT: Also, with decreaed dopamine counts and whatnot you not only have trouble with moter functions, but can also develop other low dopamine related diseases, such as schizophrenia and paranoia. So you might be able to move around, but you will be thinking little blue aliens that reproduce with their noses are chasing you down and could be around any corner...
reviving this thread, as i came across this little article
Scientists at Johns Hopkins University reported in September 2002 that key neurons in the brains of squirrel monkeys and baboons were damaged when the animals were given doses of Ecstasy that mimicked those often taken by users.
and my favourite bit
A prestigious scientific journal is retracting a study about the effects of the drug Ecstasy on the brain because the animals used in the research were given a different drug.
yer, maybe, and linked back to this thread;
i got in trouble the other nite for reviving a thread, even though i had something worthwhile to add to it;
As Spook reported, that article was flawed. There's an ongoing investigation to try and find out how it got past the process of peer review without anyone noticing it was borked.
The test subjects were given a substance of the same sort of chemical family as E, but far nastier.
PCP is terrible, I've been slipped it before. Effects are comparable to Ketamine... I can't believe people do these drugs (flat out tranquilizers?)
I wonder how bad E would be if it were legal and regulated. So that unsuspecting ravers don't take a pill that's jacked up with adulterants.
I only smoke Cannabis and use the occasional magic mushroom (or two). I have a intrest in other substances such as LSD, DMT and Peyote (Mescaline) but have yet to try them and probably never will.
Ketamine is more of a pyschological thing, kind of detaching the conscious from what is real.
(A sedative and dissociative anaesthetic, its the above feeling that people try to achieve with ketamine)
PCP is similar, they are both euphoric drugs, glutamate which is naturally produced in the body which is what allows cells to 'communicate' with one another in the body is ignored because of the drug (alcohol is also euphoric, and thus has the same effect).
Because of this, physical traits are amplified, a person who is drunk will be stronger than when they are sober.
Since Glutamate is ignored, the body doesn't mind recruiting 'harmful' amounts of muscle fibres to do a job (since the cells aren't communiacting properly)
A person on PCP however is almost super-human.
People on PCP have easily broken out of stretchers and handcuffs with their bar hands/arms.
Police tend to double-cuff someone on PCP because one isn't enough (seems impossible to be able to split handcuffs in two with your arms doesn't it? well, you probably could if you were on PCP since you'll be using more %age of the muscle than you normally have access to).
Scary enough, if somoene on PCP/a drug breaks out of restraints (stretcher/handcuffs), QPF and QAS tend to just wave bye-bye and let them go.
I think the record for a person being shot the most times and still standing/advancing is 8 times while on PCP, even then the only reason they dropped was a shot to the head.
Because of the disassociation of themselves from their conscious and this new-found strength, people have been known to believe they can stop trains with their bare hands and so forth.
But you're right, it's nasty stuff, don't know why anybody would touch it willingly.
MDMA (ecstacy, e, x, xtc, adam, empathy, m) Methylenedioxymethamphetamine puts forth a strong argument that if you can’t pronounce a drug’s chemical name, then you shouldn’t be doing it. The odds of dying from an MDMA overdose are 1 in 3.6 million. So to prevent such a dangerous substance from proliferating, it has been made illegal in all countries in the world under a UN agreement. The odds of dying in a rollar coaster accident are 1 in 3.2 million. The odds of dying by parachuting are 3 in 1000 per year. 1 in every 500,000 skiers are killed. Every year, soccer players run the risk of 1 in 25,000 of getting killed. And the odds of burning to death in your sleep are 1 in 10,000.1 Yet no one considers banning carnivals or skydiving. No one feels that our society would be much safer if we did away with ski resorts or soccer. And no one advocates for the elimination of houses because of fire risks.
Wont find me touching acid or any other chemical drug, unless its stolen and of a pharmaceutical grade.
I never usually touch drugs that aren't 100% natural (you won't find me drinking alcohol). Magic Mushrooms are pretty good, you just need to be VERY responsible and make sure you're in a safe enviroment.
Crazy stuff about people on PCP, that is just crazy. I might go read some stuff on Erowid (love that site), sounds very interesting.
i've read that before somewhere (boondie), and yes i think that's relevant.
to the person who wrote that they were interested in lsd and had done magic mushrooms, i believe the base chemical is the same. apparently the effects are very similar, but also apparently magic mushrooms are safer (less chance of losing your head). i don't know this from experience however, but i heard it from a friend's friend's friend's f.. you get the point.
as soon as i amassed a ton of knowledge about drugs (i mean, compared to what i knew before), i stopped getting the information, so i'm way out these days i bet. someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Psilocybes are way more f***ing intense than lsd...recommend your a reasonably experienced tripper before you try these suckers
EDIT: for me anyway, results may vary from mind to mind
Psilocybe mushrooms are the chemicals psilocybin and psilocin....completly differnt to LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) and more in line with mescaline (pyote or san pedro cactus....more "earthy")
I never usually touch drugs that aren't 100% natural (you won't find me drinking alcohol). Magic Mushrooms are pretty good, you just need to be VERY responsible and make sure you're in a safe enviroment.
Please tell me you are joking. Alcohol is just as naturally occuring as mushies, but the arguement that something is safer because it comes from nature is completely stupid.
Also to counterpoint your first sentence, there is anaerobic bacteria in your intestines that produces around about 1 standard drink per day. Not enough to get you drunk obviously, but the low levels of it mean that your body is able to metabolise it quite easily. In fact there are 3 different pathways of metabolism for it.
Now, i don't know about anyone else here, but i don't have hallucinogenic fungi growing in my intestines. So, if you're taking the point of something being natural being safer, then alcohol would be the safest drug there is.
Don't try and twist my words around... Of course there are many dangerous things in nature (poisons and such).
I'm not saying that if it is natural, I will take it. I only take natural drugs. Mushrooms are a LOT more natural then alcohol, you can just pick it up and eat it. Alcohol has to be fermented and/or distilled.
All of the man made drugs are very bad for you (LSD, Meth) and semi man made (heroin, cocaine).
If you can argue about alcohol occuring naturally in your body. What are your thoughts on Marijuana and the cannaboid receptors in the brain?
I said if you think naturally drugs are safe, then by extension something that is naturally found in the body would have to be even more safe. I wasn't saying alcohol is good for you.
I was saying by your logic it would be safer, because you don't even need to do anything to ingest it.
Also, i think you'll find that magic mushrooms are far more dangerous than LSD at the very least. As far as i know, no one has ever died from an LSD overdose, on through accidental death, suicide and violence. Mushrooms on the other hand can kill rather easily.
The other drugs you mentioned work by simulating naturally occuring chemicals in the body. For instance amphetamines, which are made from psuedo-ephidrine, act on (surprise surprise) ephidrine receptors. There is a lot of non-specific binding with these kind of drugs, several drugs will act on the same receptors, but with slightly different effects. Some might just block that receptor pathway by preventing natural chemicals from binding to it, others might actually activate it.
Heroin i believe works by activating endorphin receptors, though i'm not 100% sure about that. Same with chocolate.
Cannaboid receptors were named because they were first identified as being the site at which THC binds, though its pretty obvious that they serve a purpose other than that. Though as far as i know they haven't identified the chemical that is supposed to bind to it. Google or a text book might know the answer. There are also other drugs that work on the same receptors that aren't chemical identical (but are similar), such as the s*** in absinth (wormwood i think its called).
having tried most drugs, these days i go with natural occuring stuff (DMT, mushies) but only in low doses. The way i look at it is if a the take something and the next day you feel like s*** (i.e. MDMA, speed alchohol) its doing more harm than good. Since i've only had good experiences and no bad after effects with DMT/Mushies i usually go with them these days. And with reading up on it they actually dont harm your head/body, since its "naturally" occuring in your head. Anyway as long as you dont abuse a certain drug then you wont harm yourself and hopefully have a good time.
yes i've read about and have taken it. Can you say yes to both?
if you can then you can comment. Until then just keep reading bs reports by ill-informed people on the net. It is natural forming in your head so to speak, but gets triggered when you take the drug.
i hate how people can comment on something they have never experience.
If you wanna get the effect of drugs but not have to worry about the legal side of things, try sucking back some cream bulbs. Great fun, totally legal and gives you a nice high for about 30 seconds, depending on how many you do at once.
and alcohol works by toxins, you cant say its better then weed/mushies/etc
You sure you haven't been effected by drugs? Cause i swear i've said atleast 3 times now that that wasn't my point.
yes i've read about and have taken it. Can you say yes to both?
if you can then you can comment. Until then just keep reading bs reports by ill-informed people on the net. It is natural forming in your head so to speak, but gets triggered when you take the drug.
i hate how people can comment on something they have never experience.
Those crazy scientists eh? Where do they get off trying to tell people that they know the effects of drugs better than people who've taken them casually, just because they've done a lot of research.
I'm not misinformed, although i just quoted stuff off the net, i studied this s*** at uni. I have text books right here that confirm it. Whether or not i've taken drugs is totally irrelevant, and its a huge presumption of yours to assume i haven't.
Psycho-active drugs work by activating or inhibiting the normal chemical activity of the brain. Its not normal, and its having an effect.
Those crazy scientists eh? Where do they get off trying to tell people that they know the effects of drugs better than people who've taken them casually, just because they've done a lot of research.
scientist still don't understand how the brain works, it's that complex.
I'm not misinformed, although i just quoted stuff off the net
theres your problem
activating or inhibiting the normal chemical activity of the brain
If you wanna get the effect of drugs but not have to worry about the legal side of things, try sucking back some cream bulbs. Great fun, totally legal and gives you a nice high for about 30 seconds, depending on how many you do at once.
<=- also kills an absolute f***load of braincells
uhh herion doesnt have the same effect as chocolate dude
Very first link i got back from google
<=- whoops, meh herion is an opiate so it neutralizes pain, i can still feel pain when i have caffeiene ^_^
seems KOOL QUIZ!@&#@ proved me wrong (sorry, it's probablly right but it any other circumstance i woulda ripped that source to shreds)
scientist still don't understand how the brain works, it's that complex.
The mechanisms of hormones aren't individually that complex and are widely documented, a chemical binds to the outside of the cell (or possibly internally depending on its chemical properties) and causes another effect within the cell itself. That can be the release of a natural chemical substance (in the case of brain cells its a neurotransmitter), it can be some other hormone as well. You don't need to know how the brain works as a whole to understand how a drug acts on an individual cell.
I'm not misinformed, although i just quoted stuff off the net
theres your problem
Nicely taken out of context, read the rest of the sentence.
activating or inhibiting the normal chemical activity of the brain
you just proved my point
No i didn't. You fail to appreciate the workings of the hormones and neurotransmitters which the drugs simulate. Take a car for instance. Normally the engine speed is dictated by the accelerator, if you pour fuel directly into the carbeurettor you override the accelerator and the engine revs like crazy. The fuel isn't unnatural in a carbeurettor but the act of pouring the fuel directly into it is. The person using the accelerator no longer has control of the engine speed.
If a drug does nothing but stimulate the release of a hormone which is normally produced by the body, but does it in a manner which is not controlled by the "driver", then its very unnatural. The body controls the release of those chemicals carefully, and everything is interlinked subtly. Just like a driver behind the wheel would normally back off the accelerator if he is picking up too much speed, the body will supress the release of a chemical if too much is being produced.
The problem is that the body is a far more complex system than just the accelerator/engine speed relationship.
Like this:
Chemical 1 released -------> Causes release of chemical 2 ---> etc...
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\--- also causes release of chemical 3 ----> etc....
The amount of chemical 2 and 3 also control the amount of chemical 1 produced, but if the amount of chemical 2 produced is massively increased by a drug, then chemical 1 production will be reduced, and chemical 3 production will also be reduced accordingly.
Now both of those chemicals would have other cascading effects down the line somewhere.
Drugs work by effecting the natural processes of the brain in unnatural ways.
Yes... LSD is less dangerous then Mushrooms in theory (LSD is one of the least toxic substances ever).
Generally you need about 30grams of fresh mushrooms to get a really good trip. Now compare that with the 300 MICROgrams you need from LSD. Consider that the average blotter tab can hold up to 2000ug, you see where the danger of LSD comes in.
I've talked to people that have taken both LSD and mushrooms. The danger in LSD is usually the mental problems that come with it. I have taken 7g of dried shrooms (that's a very large amount) and the trip was easily controllable. Now you hear about a lot of people that get acid burnouts, full blown hallucigenic trips... I haven't experienced it, but that stuff is meant to completely **** with your brain.
So even though the toxicity and overdose is a lot more dangerous on mushrooms, the mental dangers of LSD are far far greater.
BTW haven't tried DMT, but I've heard it's great (the smoke is meant to be extremely harsh though?).
nf - you seem to alot what your talking about which is great. I completely understand what your saying in terms of how drugs react within the brain because you explained it really well. But, your missing the point on DMT, it is a natural occuring substance in the human body. Hence it is natural since we all have it so to speak.
I think theyd understand it better than you do....so id trust em!
FRESH FRESH FRESH!!! that's eating them as a whole mushrooms, usually picked off the ground or grown!!
7g of dried shrooms (that's a very large amount)
DRIED DRIED DRIED!!! that's mushrooms prepared for consumption.
Seriously dude, read.
Maybe you should READ up on the potency difference between FRESH and DRY mushrooms.
average dose is 5g, you even said youself you had 7g and it was 'a large amount'
5g would give quite a strong trip. The first time I started I took 2g, then 3 then 4 then 5, then eventually 7. Now I usually take either 3grams DRIED or 30grams FRESH.
As a general rule of thumb, 1g dry = 10g fresh.
Therefor 30g fresh = 3g dry, quite an average trip. 7g dry = 70 fresh... am I getting through?
shut down
What did you say?
And from Erowid, the best drug related site on the net.
Dose
Recreational doses range from 1-5 grams of dry mushrooms depending on the species and individual strength of the specimens. Dosages for wet mushrooms will be approximately 10 times higher (10-50 grams). Because different species vary in size, the number of mushrooms per gram will also vary
nitrous oxide is an annesthetic (the same one the dentist uses)
id be very, very suprised if it kills braincells, else what have dentists been doing to us for years
the main danger from bulbs is foreign particles being inhaled, and ive got that covered;
The proof that n20 is killing brain cells is the fact that you arnt getting any oxygen into your lungs when you pull a bulb back...thats why some peoples lips turn blue....holding your breath will kill brain cells, also i feel 5 times dumber after having 2-4 bulbs :P
DMT could be compared with an entire acid trip condensed into 10 mins...imagine getting shot out of a f***ing cannon into space. I tried extracting it from acacia maidenii bark to no success and now im working on a salvia divinorium extraction from leaves instead
EDIT: dentists use an even stream of oxygen and n20 when they adminster it...when sucking back a bulb your breathing pure n20
The trip only lasts for about 20 minutes with DMT, good if you just want to experiment with some psycadellic illusions and fry a few brain cells.
you retard go away, you have no idea
It's meant to be the strongest though. Out of Body experiences are meant to be common I think?
from what i've experience it is the strongest "if" done correctly. It's all up to extacting the DMT and preparing it right. There are some tutorials on the net for this, that explain it well. Then smoking it, you must hold it in you lungs enough to get the effect which can be difficult i guess. The trip itself lasted 40 mins, for me it was more of a spiritual journey of a "world". You see eveything with 10x more focus. Almost like your in a demension that is very advance. The problem is you dont remember much of it but after it your like "wow that was crazy". DMT is meant to be related to part of the brain that triggers dreams, so after taking it expect some amazing dreams when you go to sleep.
I have never even heard of DMT, got any more info?
erowid.org has a DMT section which has alot of info.
You win the 'im a clueless idiot' award if you think any drug (im talking about non-clinical/medical purpose of course - but even these are not exempt) is good for you or isn't having any overall effect on your health, whether it be physically or mentally.
Giz, if you want to make yourself feel better for taking drugs by telling yourself they're not doing any harm.
That's fine, but dont tell others that.
Even drugs which have very little (or require use over years to produce detrimental effects) can seriously warp someones mind in just one effort.
Marijuana is a good example, while the physical effects are minor in the short term, it can bring out a dormant underlying psychological problem.
Altering ones perception of thinking permanently.
So before you kiddies start listening to Giz, know that he's a fool for preaching to you.
Do your own homework if you're going to experiment with drugs, I'm not going to say dont do it because saying so will make no difference.
But be warned that most people really dont have a clue, just because they have done the drug(s) often/casually doesn't give them a doctorate in Human Anatomy and what effects these drugs do actually have (including the unobvious ones).
Im not an expert on drugs, been called to a few incidences though (insert VSFT having a teary and me telling him to research what an honorary is), and its usually not nice.
Sorry preacher boy your wrong, studies have proved DMT effects on the human mind aren't of a negative nature at all. I never mentioned weed being okay, so again i have no idea what your on about. And im not pushing drugs onto anyone, it's more of a discussion about it. Get a clue.
Taking -ANYTHING- to an abnormal conscious state is -NOT- healthy.
I already stated that underlying mental problems can surface from the use of drugs, it could happen to anyone who seems perfectly normal (hence the reason its an underlying problem).
Generally something will trigger it in their life, but drugs can bring it out as well (more often than not).
So Joe X who seems to be a normal teen takes a drug and winds up with a psychological condition.
Physical and Phsychological effects are completely different, its already known that drugs can do the aforementioned with psychological problem, it doesnt have to be a 'hard' drug for it to happen.
One can't predict who will have problems and who won't.
That's why there is a danger.
One use might not do anything, the next one might.
Seeing as you wouldnt have a clue (nor does pretty much anyone) know how the brain and conscious works, I dont think you're in a position to tell them that drugs don't trigger mental conditions.
I'm not pretending like I know -that- much about the subject as you like to think you do.
But I do know you harping on about bulls*** that certain drugs have so very little risk (because YOU havent had any problems) is absolutely stupid.
There is a reason they are illegal, beacuse they either make you do stupid/dangerous things, or effect you dangerously physically/psychologically.
DMT is a natural occuring substance in the human body, there is nothing abnormal about it. By your logic it's like saying dreams are abnormal.
Water occurs naturally in the body as well, but if you have to much of it, its not good for you/death.
Now are we seeing the pattern between such 'natural' substances (even as basic and harmless as fresh water) being introduced in abnormal quantities in the body (or raising to abnormal levels)?
I could probably harp on all day lisiting various such things in the body that occur naturally, but if you have to much of it, its not a good thing.
Water was easiest to show since it is the most improtant, least harmful substance, and found the most of in the body.
yeah sorry i know about potency in mushrooms, i was stoned so i couldnt read properly SO SHHH
DMT is naturally occuring in the brain, some theorys suggest extra DMT allows you to tune in to alternate realitys and the amount of DMT in your brain keeps you tuned into this reality.
That's what I heard anyway kinda makes sense.
Terrence McKenna claims to see and communicate with aliens on his DMT trips. Great drug if you can get hold of it but note
DO NOT TAKE DMT LIGHTLY
if you've never had any hallucinogens (shrooms, lsd, mescaline etc) I would not take DMT you will not be prepared for it.
read up A LOT on DMT and experiences before taking it.
make sure you aren't sad/hungry/tired/depressed/sore anything like that. make sure that theres no music or distractions/noises
having someone with you would be a good idea but get them not to say anything while youre tripping and maybe get a tape recorder to record what you say when you come out, when you come out of it write down/record all you can remember because chances are you wont later
oh make sure you are sitting down on a bed when you have some and be sure to give the pipe to them straight away
also close your damn eyes if you want an absolutely intense experience
Sorry preacher boy your wrong, studies have proved DMT effects on the human mind aren't of a negative nature at all. I never mentioned weed being okay, so again i have no idea what your on about. And im not pushing drugs onto anyone, it's more of a discussion about it. Get a clue.
No one has proved that DMT is safe, they just haven't found any evidence either way. They have however discovered this:
Studies show that controlled injections of pure DMT, at human recreational doses, kill sheep.
Doesn't prove anything, but it certainly doesn't suggest that its safe. (From a toxicity point of view.)
From a psychological point of view its a whole other ball game, anything that causes hallucinations is generally going to cause problems. There was even some studies done that suggested a link between VR headsets (and other 3d games) and LSD alike symptoms. People who spent long periods using VR machines sometimes had psycotic events afterwards, especially flashbacks. There was also the suggestion of brain damage.
DMT is naturally occuring in the brain, some theorys suggest extra DMT allows you to tune in to alternate realitys and the amount of DMT in your brain keeps you tuned into this reality.
Alternate realities eh? Altered realities i'd say. DMT has been detected in trace amounts in the blood and urine of humans, there isn't any suggestion that its produced by the body for any purpose or if its even produced within the body at all.
Anyway interesting side fact, tryptophan, the neurotransmitter that DMT is chemically similar to is found in reasonably high amounts in milk, and is the reason that a glass of milk can help you sleep. Smoking milk won't get you high though.
Umm DMT is in the brain dude, I dunno about you but usually stuff in my brain fluid is made there and not put in by BAD DRUGS
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Anyway interesting side fact, tryptophan, the neurotransmitter that DMT is chemically similar to is found in reasonably high amounts in milk, and is the reason that a glass of milk can help you sleep. Smoking milk won't get you high though.
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smoking milk.. umm if it did anything you would just have to ingest it or boil it
s*** dont you know ANYTHING about drugs
tryptophan is also found in eggs, WOW
tryptophan has NO HALLUCINOGENIC EFFECTS AT ALL
it's used for depression, heart disease, insomnia and obesity treatment.
Umm DMT is in the brain dude, I dunno about you but usually stuff in my brain fluid is made there and not put in by BAD DRUGS
Learn to read, i said it was found in trace amounts. So is lead. It being there doesn't prove it was produced by the body. And i'm not saying lead is a drug either, just to clarify things for you.
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Anyway interesting side fact, tryptophan, the neurotransmitter that DMT is chemically similar to is found in reasonably high amounts in milk, and is the reason that a glass of milk can help you sleep. Smoking milk won't get you high though.
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smoking milk.. umm if it did anything you would just have to ingest it or boil it
s*** dont you know ANYTHING about drugs
tryptophan is also found in eggs, WOW
tryptophan has NO HALLUCINOGENIC EFFECTS AT ALL
it's used for depression, heart disease, insomnia and obesity treatment.
stop making stupid misguided comments
Is english your second language or something?
How was stating a fact misguided? I even said it was a side point not related to the rest of the thread. I never said tryptophan was hallucinogenic. I don't even know why you bothered to get fired up over it.
So what if i haven't taken DMT, or half the drugs you've mentioned. I don't need to. I've studied the physiology and biochemistry, so without sounding full of myself, i think i know a little bit more about how drugs work than you do.
If you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. I don't like the fact that you are spinning s*** you don't understand and giving people the illusion that the drugs you take are safe (though i'm hoping noone is stupid enough to actually believe you).
I don't personally think there is anything wrong with taking drugs so long as you appreciate the risks and do it willingly. You obviously don't have a clue about the risks though.
Stuff like cannabis is pretty safe... but hallucigens (DMT, LSD and Mushrooms) are VERY dangerous.
If you're safe, resposible and have good luck, every trip should be good. A lot of people have underlying mental problems, and these drugs really bring them to the surface. That's the most dangerous thing about them.
So what if i haven't taken DMT, or half the drugs you've mentioned. I don't need to. I've studied the physiology and biochemistry, so without sounding full of myself, i think i know a little bit more about how drugs work than you do.
If you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. I don't like the fact that you are spinning s*** you don't understand and giving people the illusion that the drugs you take are safe (though i'm hoping noone is stupid enough to actually believe you).
I don't personally think there is anything wrong with taking drugs so long as you appreciate the risks and do it willingly. You obviously don't have a clue about the risks though.
<=- Yeah sorry I wasn't sure what point you were trying to make, I'm sick of people with no idea about anything talking about drugs. And yes I have read a lot on drugs especially DMT (more on the actual experience and effects though)
I have never taken DMT either, and I have never said "drugs are safe"
I do have a clue about the risks. As far as hard drugs go (and almost all drugs) DMT is rather safe PHYSICALLY. Psychologically it can be a lot worse, some people aren't prepared/educated enough and can just well freak out. But you've already hinted on that.
I smoke weed, I know the risks, I do have a clue, I know what it's doing to me
A bunch of speeches/articles by Terrence McKenna, a major pioneer in psychoactives. He basically made shrooms available in America. He was also one of the first to try DMT.
Unfortunately he died of a brain tumour. There's a coincidence, a man who dedicated his life to hallucinogens gets a brain tumour...
This i can't agree with really. I know close friends who smoke daily and have develop chronic paranoia. Mind you this is constant smoking for a couple of years. One of them tried to get off, couldn't last more than 2 weeks, and skitz out pretty much. So i wouldn't really label cannabis as "safe".
This i can't agree with really. I know close friends who smoke daily and have develop chronic paranoia. Mind you this is constant smoking for a couple of years. One of them tried to get off, couldn't last more than 2 weeks, and skitz out pretty much. So i wouldn't really label cannabis as "safe".
Well it isn't PHYSICALLY addicting... so cold turkey can always work. Though it is quite mentally addicting, I usually smoke once a week and the most I can usually go is 2 weeks. It's because a lot of people REALLY piss me off, to the point that I want to smash someone in the face. But I usually just smoke a bowl and watch a movie. Remembers, it's not the weed that's making me angry, I'm an angry person. The weed makes me calm and a lot nicer.
Chronic paranoia, that seems strange. Mental illness might have run in the family I guess? Just like the hallucigens, cannabis can bring underlying mental problems to the surface (although not to the extent of the LSD,DMT,Mushrooms).
I take regular breaks every month or 2 (for about 4 weeks, just to make sure I don't get addicted and lower my tolerance).
