Dont know if you guys are aware of this but there is a guy who has decided to stop eating food in favour of a liquid food that he has formulated himself. Says his last month's food consumption has only been 8% food and 92% formula. He claims its to save time and money but i wouldnt be surprised if he is thinking long term of selling his formula and getting rich, or helping starving populations.

I certainly dont think what he is doing is a great idea but i think his formula is still interesting. Some points to note - approx ~200% iron intake that is recommended daily for an adult male, only 5g of fibre daily, he also doesnt appear to list what carbs, fats and protein makes up the formula. He seems to have most nutrients covered although has recently updated the formula but not revealed all the changes. His original formula is below and provided 1550 kcal/day, which he found wasnt enough. He has since upped the calories to 2629 kcal/day with 409g of carbohydrates, 65g of fat, and 102g of protein.

http://soylent.me/

http://soylent.me/img/soylent_yellow.jpg

Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care. What you need is D-Glucose. The Citric Acid Cycle metabolizes glucose and generates ATP, the cellular 'currency' for energy. Carbs can chain together and come in the form of monosaccharides (like fructose), disaccharides (table sugar), oligosaccharides, or polysaccharides, which are very long chains. Short chains get metabolized very quickly, leading to a 'sugar rush', and long chains can be difficult to digest. I use only oligosaccharides, like Maltodextrin, for Carbohydrates. This mechanism can also metabolize protein and fat, but the brain can only use Glucose for energy. In fact, the brain uses 25% of the body's glucose, though it accounts for only 2% of its weight.

Protein (50g): Protein is a very general term. What your body needs is 9 'essential' (meaning the body cannot produce it itself), amino acids: Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalaline, Threonine, Tryptophan, and Valine. Eukaryotes use 21 different amino acids for protein synthesis. The human genome contains approximately 20,000 protein coding genes. It's a complex system. Without these essentials there are some proteins you will not be able to produce.

Fat (65g): Fat has gotten a bad rap. Without it you wouldn't be able to absorb some essential vitamins, like A, D, E, and K. Fats are triglycerides, and can be saturated or unsaturated, depending on the bonds within the carbon chain. Fat maintains healthy skin and hair, and cushions the body's organs. Some fats, though, like trans-saturated fats, are difficult for the body to metabolize, and have been linked to heart disease and obesity. I get all the fat I need, in nearly perfect proportion of saturated and unsaturated, and no trans fats, from olive oil.

Cholesterol(X): Cholesterol is used in cell membranes and intracellular transport. However, the body is able to synthesize it on its own and regulates the rate of production. So, even though the FDA recommends it I feel it's more of a maximum than a recommendation. Soylent has no cholesterol whatsoever.

Sodium(2.4g): You'll notice a lot of the elements the body needs are ions. Cells communicate with action potentials, electrical voltage differences which accumulate due to the presence of positive or negative ions. Sodium ions are used to regulate blood volume, blood pressure, pH, and osmotic equilibrium. Sodium and Chloride are conveniently found in table salt.

Potassium(3.5g): Potassium is important in neurological functioning, which is one reason it bothers me practically no one gets a full 3.5g / day. Raw Potassium is extremely reactive, so I use potassium gluconate, C6H11KO7.

Chloride(3.4g): Chloride is a negative ion, formed when Chlorine gets an extra electron. It's used in metabolism and overall pH balance.

Fiber(5g): Fiber is not digested by the body. It helps maintain a healthy digestive system. My digestive system is quite healthy as the only thing that it has to get rid of is the fiber itself.

Calcium(1g): Strong bones and teeth! Also used in muscle operation and the electrical system of the heart. Very important. I consume Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3

Iron(18mg): Iron is used by Hemoglobin in the blood to efficiently transport oxygen. Iron deficiency is one of the most common nutritional deficiencies. If you are a vegetarian I recommend taking a supplement. I dissolve iron chellate in fat separately before adding it to the mixture.

Phosphorous(1g): Part of the structural framework for DNA and RNA. I use monosodium phosphate.

Iodine(150ug): Constituent of Thyroid Hormones, which regulate basic metabolic rate through gene transcription.

Magnesium(400mg): Another ion, used by many enzymes to catalyze reactions. Be careful, magnesium overdose is very unpleasant.

Zinc(15mg): Used by enzymes in transcription factors, which control the expression of select genes.

Selenium(70ug): Used in some amino acids and the Thyroid gland. Careful, can be toxic in large doses.

Copper(2mg): Used in electron and oxygen transport.

Manganese(2mg): Similar to selenium, used as a cofactor in many enzymes.

Chromium(120ug): Occurs in trace amounts in many foods. Though no certain biological role has been found, there have been reports of chromium deficiency. Just being safe here, may be fine without it, though.

Molybdenum(75ug): Used in the active site of many enzymes. Interesting fact: a shortage of molybdenum held back eukaryote evolution for 2 billion years. Make sure you get your molybdenum, and continue evolving.

Vitamin A(5000IU): Used by the retina of the eye to produce a metabolite necessary for both low-light and color sensitivity.

Vitamin B6(2mg): Or, pyrodoxil phosphate, is a coenzyme for many reactions and macronutrient metabolism.

Vitamin B12(6ug): Key to the normal functioning of the brain and nervous system. Like iron, difficult to obtain from plants so a supplement is suggested for vegetarians.

Vitamin C(60mg): Or, ascorbate, is a reducing agent in many enzymatic and some non-enzymatic reactions. Don't want to get scurvy.

Vitamin D(400IU): Needed for the internal absorption of calcium and phosphate. Can be synthesized by the body from cholesterol given enough sunlight, but is essential in most people.

Vitamin E(30IU): Several functions including antioxidation, gene expression, and neurological function.

Vitamin K(80ug): Post-translational modification. Once a protein is transcribed, it folds (which is a very important problem we don't understand well) and modified by factors such as Vitamin K which affect its final utility.

Thiamin(1.5mg): Used in thyamine pyrophosphate, a coenyzme in the catabolism of sugars.

Riboflavin(1.7mg): Required by a class of proteins called 'flavoproteins'. It's used in the cofactors (non-protein substances that bind to proteins) FAD and FMN.

Niacin(20mg): Niacin binds to and stimulates a certain membrane receptor, GPR109A, which inhibits fat breakdown in adipose (stored fat) tissue. This decreases the amount of free fatty acids in your blood.

Folate(400ug): Folate itself is not used by the body, but its derivative tetrahydrofolate, and a few others, are used in DNA synthesis and repair.

Biotin(300ug): Another coenzyme, used in the synthesis of a few macronutrients.

Panthothenic Acid(10mg): Used to synthesize coenyzme-A (which itself is used in the synthesis and oxidization of fatty acids), as well as metabolism.

Extras not considered essential:

Lycopene(500ug): Essential in some plants for photosynthesis, it is abundant in red plants like tomatoes and carrots. Lycopene is an effective antioxidant and there is preliminary evidence it has an effect on cardiovascular health, diabetes, cancer, and others. Also, not very scientifc, but the males in my family have always loved tomatoes. I wonder if this is because lycopene has an unusually positive effect given our genetics. The only other nutrients in tomatoes are Vitamin A and C, which I get plenty of.

Omega-3 Fatty Acids(750mg): Humans cannot synthesize these fatty acids, and though links with cancer have been largely debunked, there is limited evidence consumption of these substances improve cardiovascular health and inhibit cognitive aging.

Ginseng(50ug): Used in old folk remedies, limited evidence suggest a link with sexual health and lower fatigue.

Gingko Biloba(100ug): Consumed since antiquity in China and Japan, has limited evidence of positive effect on working memory and focus.

Lutein(500ug): A rather small study found that Lutein improves visual function and can inhibit macular degeneration. There is stronger evidence Lutein is linked to the pigmentation of the eye.

Alpha Carotene(140ug): A single study linked this with lower risk of mortality from heart disease and cancer. Couldn't hurt.

Vanadium(100ug): Limited evidence has a beneficial affect on glucose control.

Why isn't it green?

Dont see why it would be. Carbs, fats, protein arent usually green and neither are most powdered vitamin/minerals.

EDIT: A 1973 movie, no wonder i didnt get the reference, thats like 15 years before my birth.

whoosh

is it made from the same base as other soylent products? (like the green?)

Totally doable. If you are an infant or lived in the Matrix being a human batteries lolz.

I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary about this.

Sorry to be a spoiler, DeadlyDav0, you may want to watch this:

Pretty sure he said he named his product after that movie. Maybe its all a big scam but i didnt think so.

He even has pictures of the movie on his blog..

Did anyone else immediately wonder upon the firmness of this mans stool?

I almost forgot to mention, when everything going in to your body is diffused in to the bloodstream, you don't poop.

even if it wasn't fake/stupid... why would you want to eat goop in favour of tasty food?

what is the dmaa content?

ok how many of those chemicals are in up'n'gos, twisties, and bourbon? cos if not many I'm f***ed

Yes, but will it blend? Oh, wait.

why would you want to eat goop in favour of tasty food?

He says to save time and save money, and he no longer likes the taste of food. Crazy. Thats why i think hes in it for the long term $$$.

thermite, i know you lift bro, quit trying to act like you dont.

I almost forgot to mention, when everything going in to your body is diffused in to the bloodstream, you don't poop.

Isn't this bad for your body? Shouldn't you at least have something moving through?

Would be interesting to see the environmental impact of the ingredients, cost of production and how easily it is to convert into a dehydrated form.

I almost forgot to mention, when everything going in to your body is diffused in to the bloodstream, you don't poop.

Bulls***. Bacterial matter is a large percentage of your s***. It's something like 40%.

i'm with greazy here

there is no way that a healthy body isn't going to get rid of waste by not pooping,

I would be concerned about adversely changing gut flora and perhaps knock on effects to the immune system not to mention other related possibilities.

However, the consumption of solid foods within the diet should help mitigate these sorts of problems.

If anyones interested in the subject of all-in-one foods, the topic is generally found under the term "human chow".

so... soy milk and crushed multivitamins

reminds me off http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111221184907/simpsons/images/0/06/724917_1306105069108_full-1-.jpg

I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary about this.

This?

deadly davo are you in a Cult ?

whoosh

lol

deadly davo are you in a Cult ?

People who live in glass houses; shouldn't get changed in the living room Faceman.

Dav0 out of curiosity, how do you determine your dietary intake per day?
Do you literally nut out %'s of everything 'you need to eat' daily? or do you run with the 'calories' per day type regimen?

I've started to take an aggressive interest in what I'm eating in an effort to lose some kg's and combined with some regular cardio at the gym, I've started by using the 'if it fits your macro's' 'TDEE' calculator. (Targetting 2000 calories p/d)
Thus far, (two weeks in) I've lost a few keg's, but would be curious for your take on it (Feel free to PM should you think anyone here might start trollin etc).

Stop promoting such s*** diet fads. The sooner we ignore this crap the better.

Just eat the damn food, eat what you want and when you want.

No Face im not. WTF.

Ivy, i probably should make more of an effort to monitor my diet but i dont. I try to exceed a daily protein target, and consume less carbs and more fats and eat good, whole food whenever possible. I think calorie programs are good when you dont know whats in what you are eating but Im of the opinion that unless you actually weigh your food then the calorie guides arent very accurate. What macronutrient targets are you currently aiming for with your 2000cal daily?

Just drink Up and Go.

This already exists in multiple, better researched forms for people that cannot eat solids. I believe some are available at the supermarket (at least - they are in the US).

there is no way that a healthy body isn't going to get rid of waste by not pooping

I was on a veggie only diet recently, lost 17kg in just under 6 weeks. I only crapped on average 1-2 times a week instead of 3-4 times a week. Was pissing like niagra falls though.

A diet isn't a fad unless you make it one. If you maintain the weight you lost then power to you!

There's nothing new about this, and it's been done a thousand times in the medical field as well as the sports supp mass-building field.

Oats + Whey Protein + Flax Seed Oil + Milk in a blender + a multivitamin and you've got the same thing.

Anyone living off a liquid diet is a total moron btw.

I was on a veggie only diet recently, lost 17kg in just under 6 weeks.

How is that even possible. That is something like a 2800 Calorie deficit per day.

Shad some people who are obese get put on a very low calore diet (something like a 1000) for several weeks. They get monitored and things are checked regularly. It's possible.

The research showed many pregnant women were using the internet and the labels on multivitamin supplements as the main sources of advice on the health of their baby and doubted natural foods could sustain them and their child during pregnancy.

The Women's and Children's Health Research Institute at the University of Adelaide conducted the study of 40 new and soon-to-be mums and found vitamin supplements were seen as an "insurance policy" during pregnancy.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/expectant-mums-relying-on-supplements/story-e6frfku9-1226620232341#ixzz2QQm55Uaq

"the labels on multivitamin supplements"
Something needs to be done about the nonsense written on Vitamin Labels.
They must prove all their claims with proper independent research.

How is that even possible. That is something like a 2800 Calorie deficit per day.

Very possible, I was recording my weight every week. Eat nothing but vegetables, healthy salads and apples as a treat and you'll see. Started at 104kg, finished at 87kg.

Weight aside, the other good thing is that my bad cholesterol dropped from 4.0 down to 2.6mmol/L where the range is 0-4.0.

Martz, fats and protein intake? Also, no way would i want a cholesterol of 2.6

Face bro, why are multivitamins recommended during pregnancy? Because studies have shown they reduce the risk of certain disorders / issues during pregnancy. While i think diet should be the focus, whats the problem with taking a multi as an "insurance policy" during pregnancy? Id rather my GF took a multi during pregnancy 'just in case' rather than not and run the risk 9 months later the kid is born with some brain damage that would have been prevented if she had a higher iodine intake during her pregnancy.

Here we go:
"The National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) recommends that all women who are pregnant, breastfeeding or considering pregnancy, take an iodine supplement of 150 micrograms (μg) each day."

And thats despite mandatory iodine salt being added to foods in Aus:
"The proposal of Food Standards Australia and New Zealand (FSANZ) — Mandatory Iodine Fortification for Australia (P1003) — has been implemented. FSANZ openly admits P1003 is inadequate for covering the needs of pregnant women."

And iron RDI during pregnancy is ~30mg IIRC. From memory thats like 1kg of red meat a day if red meat was to be the only intake. Or 3kg of chicken / fish as sole iron source.

absolutely no fats and protein so I would have lost some muscle too but nothing I can't get back relatively quickly!

also be more specific regarding cholesterol, you want more/less than 2.6 and reasoning?

Id want more cholesterol. Its essential for production of hormones, including testosterone, and i think there are bigger worries than cholesterol if concerned about heart health. IMO cholesterol, like saturated fats or butter, have incorrectly received a bad name and i dont think should be viewed as the enemy.

And no disrespect but any diet with no fats and protein is crazy i think. They're essential for a reason. I try not to go a day without adequate intake of fats and protein, let alone 6 weeks. Of course i dont know the whole story regarding your health and the diet so im only going by what you've posted.

What macronutrient targets are you currently aiming for with your 2000cal daily?

Yeah I don't really have any. As for the accuracy of food weights, I'm not really doing that currently either. I'm trying to keep things fairly simple (so as to maintain my sanity whilst other BS around me is going on). So am using 'general' counts for items and where there isn't any info along those lines, simply converting Kilojoules to calories using 1kj = 250 calories.

I've cut back on Caffeine massively (used to drink 3-4 cups a day a few months ago, and up to 8-10 cups per day two years ago). Have also almost completely cut processed sugars [ie white/brown sugar in hot drinks, and almost all soft-drink] too.

I've never been 'massive', but at ~175cm and 95Kg's I figured now was a good time to change things. Two weeks later and I'm at around 89Kg's (have been gymming with a focus on Cardio for now til I can shed a few more kg's.)

I guess the biggest changes I've made is that the overall quality of foods I'm eating have dramatically improved (as have the portions), and I've started to drink a lot more water.

Im sure you meant to say 1000kj = ~250 cal.

At 90kg, im going to suggest the following macronutrient targets for you to consider:
2000 cal
600 cal protein = 150g protein
600 cal carbs = 150g carbs
800 cal fat = ~90g fat
>30g fibre
2.5-3L water

By no means is that the perfect diet but ive had good success with diets consisting of more fats and less carbs where people consume as much whole, unprocessed foods as possible.

calorie\Calorie
Potato\Potato

Its real:
https://campaign.soylent.me/soylent-free-your-body

You have a different definition of 'real' to me

Real, as in exists (and is now available to order).

When i checked the page ~15 hours ago it was @ $88k. Its now past $200k of its $100k.

Also interesting to see the changes he has made to the formula over time.

Haters gunna hate.

Would you consume this product dav0?

I think its got too many carbs, personally.

Is that basically a product purchase page disguised as some sort of kickstarter style crowdfunding project thing?
If so, that's stupid, they're mixing some chemicals together and shipping it - what the hell is there to kickstart?
If not, I don't understand what the heck it is.

Nah shroud, the dude hasnt disclosed the total macro n micro content per day. He only just decided to change the formula from using maltodextrin as the carb source and to include whey as the potein source so its far from perfect. I still think the concept is interesting and like to watch the changes he makes to the formula. He recently added creatine for mental function i think. Id consume it to see what it tastes like but not as a total dietary replacement.

I dunno much about kickstarter things daz but i got the impression he needed the $100k to begin mass production, starting with release in the USA and later the world. Currently he just weighs out everything himself i think where as mass production would require mass purchases and a manufacturing setup/hire. I also think he has the long term goal of addressing world hunger issues.

I also think he has the long term goal of addressing world hunger issues.

That's ambitious. World hunger is a political-economy problem, not a nutrition problem. I don't think his project will help restore the non-existent political and economic institutions required for effective governance in Sub-Saharan Africa for example.

It'd be nice if I was wrong, though.

I don't know why people even eat food. Food should be banned.

Can it be preserved in powder form etc? It would be good to be able to store it long term so it could part of survival kits etc. I can imagine kilos of it being stored in nuke bunkers and stuff.

I wish instead of trying to get rich someone dedicated a formula like this to completely solving third world starvation.

I don't know why people even eat food. Food should be banned.

Awful trolling attempt.

Well seeing it wasn't a troll, you seemed to be trolled by a non troll.

Nah, you're a troll.

A pants-on-head retarded one at that.

Up to ~$250k now.

As for the world hunger, of course its an ambitious attempt but this is what he says:

There are problems with the current state of food

50% of the food produced globally is wasted, and food makes for the largest component of municipal garbage. If not for this waste there would be plenty of food to adequately nourish everyone alive. 2 million people are killed annually by smoke inhalation from indoor cooking stoves alone. 70% of americans are overweight or obese. 1 in 7 people globally are malnourished, and 1 in 3 in the developing world suffer from deficiency. Countless others are living hand-to-mouth, subsistence farming, hindering economic development. Even in the developed world, agriculture is the most dangerous industry to work in by occupational injuries and illnesses, and obesity is on the rise.

By taking years to spoil, dramatically reducing cost, and easing transportation and storage, soylent could have a dramatic effect on hunger and malnutrition. Proceeds from the purchase of soylent enable us to work with aid partners and reduce hunger and environmental impact both in the United States and the developing world.

Think about what the future of food looks like. Imagine everyone having a customized, efficient, nutritious default diet and the freedom to eat for leisure as desired. It is a bright, healthy future indeed.

What is the homepage of the company running the kickstarter?

edit: nm, Crowdhoster.