http://qldnotforsale.org.au/listen_premier/

Have at 'er!

sorry spook but your girlfriends going down!@
behind the basketball court at 3 y0!

better watch out for those dirty foreign people

What company would by a forest and why?

because it's land and wood

basically anna's selling s*** off because queensland is broke. that's how things work under labor.

greazy: buy.

infi you know i know its buy, its clear i didnt proof read.

if it's land and wood, what would the government do with it apart from sell it/lease it? just seems like a moot point.

I don't know why people are under the illusion the government gives a s***. The government always just does whatever they want no matter what the people say.

that's not a good enough reason to stop trying
s*** seems to keep getting thicker under this government though, censorship, abortion woes, assets sales due to debt?

racist hast, racist

RARRR RARRR RARRRRR I HATE IT WHEN LABOR SELL OFF STUFF BUT TOTALLY SUPPORT IT WHEN THE LIBS DO IT (like they absolutely freaking love to do with everything they can get their greasy hands on then use it to claim they got us out of debt) AS I AM A LEFT WING NAZI AND FOOKING LOVE ANYTHING THEY DO AND CAN TOTALLY RATIONALIZE IT YO.

Oh hai, merry Christmas, brb need moar eggnog :D

Edit:

PS. God damn I wish all online petitions (that do nothing at all in the scheme of things) had a "I wish to sign in opposition" option.


Double Edit:

I HAVE AN IRRATIONAL HATRED FOR ANY PARTY THAT MY DAD DIDN'T SUPPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, IF THEY BROKERED WORLD PEACE I'D STILL TOTALLY HATE THEM AND TRY TO FIND FAULT WITH IT.

last edited by Syco at 00:46:52 26/Dec/09

syco's my favorite poster.

he spelled greasy correctly.

I've got a feeling 80% of my posts are when I'm drunk.

I'm gonna totally derail the thread and point out a global climate change sceptic story with a follow up interview with the only climate scientist they quoted here totally refuting most of what they misquoted him as saying.

last edited by Syco at 00:59:51 26/Dec/09

sorry spook but your girlfriends going down!@
behind the basketball court at 3 y0!

oooh, an online epetition!?

we're real scared matey

RARRR RARRR RARRRRR I HATE IT WHEN LABOR SELL OFF STUFF BUT TOTALLY SUPPORT IT WHEN THE LIBS DO IT (like they absolutely freaking love to do with everything they can get their greasy hands on then use it to claim they got us out of debt) AS I AM A LEFT WING NAZI AND FOOKING LOVE ANYTHING THEY DO AND CAN TOTALLY RATIONALIZE IT YO.

Oh hai, merry Christmas, brb need moar eggnog :D

Edit:

PS. God damn I wish all online petitions (that do nothing at all in the scheme of things) had a "I wish to sign in opposition" option.


Double Edit:

I HAVE AN IRRATIONAL HATRED FOR ANY PARTY THAT MY DAD DIDN'T SUPPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, IF THEY BROKERED WORLD PEACE I'D STILL TOTALLY HATE THEM AND TRY TO FIND FAULT WITH IT.

check mate

name one monopoly business the libs sold.

Why does it have to be a monopoly business (honest question)

because a monopoly business can charge whatever the hell it wants. selling them is strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs.

federally commonwealth bank, QANTAS and Telstra were all competing businesses. Australia Post on the other hand will never be sold (hopefully) because it is a monopoly.

edit: the irony of this whole campaign is that it is run by the Queensland Council of Unions which will still vote for her come election time. Hypocrites.

last edited by infi at 09:28:12 26/Dec/09

name one monopoly business the libs sold.

because a monopoly business can charge whatever the hell it wants. selling them is strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs.

federally commonwealth bank, QANTAS and Telstra were all competing businesses. Australia Post on the other hand will never be sold (hopefully) because it is a monopoly.

edit: the irony of this whole campaign is that it is run by the Queensland Council of Unions which will still vote for her come election time. Hypocrites.last edited by infi at 09:28:12 26/Dec/09

You really need to take a chill pill. I've never seen someone so visciously anti as you who hides behind the internet. If you had the strength of your convictions you would put yourself up. Otherwise its just hot air and cowardice.

name one monopoly business the libs sold.

Never been to Victoria......Kennett.

dirty foreign people

lol. always love this from aussies, yet there are so many abroad.

because a monopoly business can charge whatever the hell it wants. selling them is strangling the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Heh actually it wasn't an honest question and I really don't care. I just knew that question would bring forth another tirade of infi political rhetoric and look! There it is right in your second sentence. You even managed to use the word hypocrite in there. See I set my question traps better than you.

God you're gay.

racist hast, racist

from the website:

built with public money, will become private gateways possibly owned and operated by foreign interests.

why should we trust foreigners less than strangers?

last edited by hast at 10:48:19 26/Dec/09

well if you all want QLD to get its AAA credit rating back any time soon then the gov needs to show the ratings agencies that it actually has a plan how to reduce its debt levels to a range where it can plausably be covered by tax revenue.

it's getting to the stage that without something drastic like asset sales this won't happen.

not saying i agree with the asset sales themselves, but i understand that something serious, and probably very unpopular, needs to happen otherwise QLD gov will be in super serious s*** in a few years as that debt keeps piling up and its creditors realise that the government has little chance of keeping its repayment schedule.

edit: i think anna is fairly incompetent, but no more so than most of the premiers that have come before her. she's just in the unlucky position of having to try and solve the problems caused by a decade or more of fiscal mismanagement by the QLD gov. she's going to get punted at the next election though.

last edited by taggs at 11:28:05 26/Dec/09

name one monopoly business the libs sold.

Are you seriously asking that ?
I mean apart from Kennet selling off all of Victoria...

Telstra ... Hewson as opposition leader called for it to be privatised in 93.
Howard then sold a third of it in 97 as prime minister in T1. And then sold Telstra down to 50.1 with T2 ...

Privatisation is pretty much a core value of the liberal party. The only time they oppose it is when it is politically convenient.

The Nats however don't, and this is part of the hipocracy of the Nats. In all but their refugee/migration and religious views they more closely align to "old Labor", ie. no privatisation, protectionism, protect Australian jobs via legislation/tarrifs/duties.

Labor is now so right wing (it's definately right of center) that the unions are lining up against it. And the labor leader is more WASP then the 3 top picks for the libs. Soon the liberals won't have anywhere to stand on issues to differentiate themselves, they are already having to take rather radical views on things like climate change to make them "different".

if it's land and wood, what would the government do with it apart from sell it/lease it?

You d*******. You shouldn't speak about matters that you don't understand.

State forests are managed by the Government (usually an agency called "Forestry" not sure what it is in QLD). Private companies then pay the Government for controlled access to log state forests.

Its generally a massive pain in the arse for the logging companies as the Government tends to come down on the conservation side of the fence for forest management. My family sold out of their logging interests in NSW for this reason.

I don't know what the Bligh plan is, but if the Government is planning on flogging State forests to any large degree for clear felling then the f***ing greenies should be doing something about it instead of mooning over f***ing carbon in Copenhagen. This is an acute local environment issue.

last edited by Hogfather at 11:34:42 26/Dec/09

if it's land and wood, what would the government do with it apart from sell it/lease it?

You d*******. You shouldn't speak about matters that you don't understand.

I know I can be a bit of an arsehole, but see that thing at the end of his sentence there? (Hint it was at the end of my sentence too) That sort of denotes that he is conceding the fact that it is a matter he doesn't understand :)

Yeah I have a feeling hogfather is being sarcastic, I hope he was. It was an honest question.

Wasn't meant to be rude, its QGL! "You d*******" is like "sup man". Looking at it again after a hair of the dog it might have been a bit strong, even in jest. I was really just answering the question!

Greazy knows he's a d******* anyway, how could he take offense? :)

I love you too hogfather <3

I mean apart from Kennet selling off all of Victoria...

They were all competing assets. Electricity in Victoria is deregulated. No competing asset shoulkd be held by the government.

Anna is selling our f***ing railway. The only one in Queensland. The one we can charge miners anything we want for.

Anna is selling our f***ing railway. The only one in Queensland

Incorrect. We have Pacific National Rail already operating in Queensland competing with QR on Freight. We also have SCT competing for freight on Rail in QLD.

They were all competing assets. Electricity in Victoria is deregulated.

Electricity was only corporatised and was solely owned by the Vic. Govt prior to sale.

Besides that Kennett sold Ports wholley owned by the Vic. Govt. Water (if I remember correctly), all public transport and workers comp., all owned by Vic Govt. and no competitors.

Not only that he closed state schools and sold the land.

SFP so you admit the libs would never privatise competing assets except for the examples above so infi's point is still obviously correct with the necessary exclusions. If he can't keep redefining his point with necessary exclusions then it wouldn't be possible to retro fit his broad crappy statements at the beginning of a thread into something that was still possibly correct albeit entirely lacking in substance.

Anna is selling our f***ing railway. The only one in Queensland

Incorrect. We have Pacific National Rail already operating in Queensland competing with QR on Freight. We also have SCT competing for freight on Rail in QLD.

They were all competing assets. Electricity in Victoria is deregulated.

Electricity was only corporatised and was solely owned by the Vic. Govt prior to sale.

Besides that Kennett sold Ports wholley owned by the Vic. Govt. Water (if I remember correctly), all public transport and workers comp., all owned by Vic Govt. and no competitors.

Not only that he closed state schools and sold the land.

^ This is all true.

When electricity was privitised in an area near me, it went to s***. Unemployment went right up the local economy died and it hasn't recovered yet.

SFP so you admit the libs would never privatise competing assets except for the examples above so infi's point is still obviously correct with the necessary exclusions. If he can't keep redefining his point with necessary exclusions then it wouldn't be possible to retro fit his broad crappy statements at the beginning of a thread into something that was still possibly correct albeit entirely lacking in substance.

This also is true.

Anna is selling our f***ing railway. The only one in Queensland. The one we can charge miners anything we want for.

they can't really charge whatever they want because miners could just enter into a secret deal with another railway company to pay less if they build it/build it themselves assuming the queensland govt wouldn't block it. not to mention they can also charge so much before it will be unprofitable to sell whatever they are mining.

anyone else read the title as QGL not for sale?

nope

we're all on the bligh train up in this bitch

For someone who bases his pathetic little life on it infi sure is s*** at politics.

Electricity in Victoria is deregulated.

And let me be the first to tell you how f***ed up and confusing it is.

I just spent the last couple of months trying to sort out my bosses gas and elec because his wife managed to get them into such a mix it was unbelieveable. In the end I emailed the energy Ombudsman a full timeline of events and scans of invoices. It became a fulltime job trying to sort out their problem. Two companies were billing them for identical periods. LOL @ dereg'd energy.

Post, on the otherhand, wtf is taking so long. France, Germany, privatised post = better than Australia Post.

PS: TELSTRA WERE A MONOPOLY BUSINESS SOLD BY THE LIBERALS.

THANK YOU.,

This thread is s***, where's the spoot?

Your on some f***en good drugs infi if you think telstra isnt a monopoly. They may not have a monopoly in all of australia, but in a good chunk of australia its either telstra or nothing for landlines (And mobiles in some areas too)

Yes you can buy internet/phone from other people, but you do realise they are giving a big chunk of your monthly fee's to telstra as they have to resell services.

Even with isp's that have there own dslam, they have to pay telstra for the physical line.

Infi, Telstra make a f***en huge chunk of cash every year, yet your wonderfull howard sold them. dont try and say that the liberals are any better with selling government assets.

The QLD goverment are still wankers for selling the assets, and I hope she goes down in the next election for it.

See infi, thats how a labor supporter can disagree with a labor government, give it a try sometime.

the share price for telstra has never been as high as when t2 was sold. heh, because their revenue is declining. if you ever read their annual reports you would understand why you sell competing assets.

i don't believe monopoly assets should be sold - i doni't care whether liberal or labor do it. it's not in the national interest. we might as well sell and lease back parliament house.

i disagree with the libs on occasion. i fought strongly against the anti-terror laws. it's just that labor are so dangerous i can largely live with liberal policy.

last edited by infi at 13:03:08 27/Dec/09

i fought strongly against the anti-terror laws

Did you make some internet posts about them? How many? FIGHT THE FIGHT!

Infi you are so full of crap. Go dig up the posts were you argued how dangerous the anti terror laws were ? (I am not sure who you would have been arguing with ?)

You are a walking liberal ad.
eg.

it's just that labor are so dangerous i can largely live with liberal policy.

What's dangerous ? I mean dangerous to me means something like my local labor pollie puting a taipan across my driveway, or getting energex to lower the live power lines to 2m off the ground.
Not selling off something like QR (was QR even making money ?)

He means dangerous because Chairman Rudd national debt think of the children selling the golden goose bunch of crooks slaves to the union blah blah blah infi is a f***** dangerous.

(was QR even making money ?)

The sect of QR that they are selling is the only part of QR that is actually making them money. Without it they would be in the red. It's also the same bit they separated before the election, which is making it easier to sell it off by itself.
Thats why the Libtards are claiming it was a secret plan from the beginning.

IMO selling anything that makes you money is a bad thing to do. But the interest we have to pay on the massive loan (Thanks Beattie and Labor!) is more then the revenue that the Freight arm of QR can bring in, so if we can reduce that interest it's probably better then the revenue.

We're in a f***ed position there isn't much Anna can do to salvage it. I'm not a fan of Anna (or Labor in general really...) but I can understand what/why Labor are selling QR for.

It's QLD voters fault for putting Beattie back in again and again and then Anna on top of that.

P.S. Infi is retarded and I really hope Spook is just trolling Infi.

last edited by Scooter at 17:41:25 27/Dec/09

I can understand what/why Labor are selling QR for.

As can I, but I still think it's short sighted
5, 10 or 20 years from now when that debt would have been paid off anyway, everyone will be cursing Bligh because we've got 0 control of our cities only rail network

I thought they weren't selling the passenger rail?

Here's how I see it.

The people say "We don't have enough infrastructure! We have too many people! Build more s*** state govt!"
State Govt: "Ok, we're spending $109b on infrastructure to help with roads and rail upgrades so we can deal with our growth"
People: "Woo! Vote Labour!"
...
People: "The state doesn't have any money! Booo!"
State Govt" "Err.. $109b... infrastructure?"
People: "Boooo! Get more money!"
State Govt: "We're selling a bunch of stuff that won't effect our bottom line overly much and get lots of money."
People: "Boooo! Get more money some other way!!"
State Govt: "ffs"

I may have missed some of the complexities and stuff, but that's about it isn't it?

yer. you missed the massive expansion in the QPS payroll. payroll expenses of the states has doubled since 2001.

everyone will be cursing Bligh because we've got 0 control of our cities only rail network

While I agree with what you think you're fighting for, you're wrong.

For starters, the area of QR that they are selling off has nothing at all to do with City transit.
Second, if the revenue from QR freight is less then the interest on the massive loan we've now inherited then our income (and financial position to provide services such as City Transit) would be better served selling QR Freight now and dealing with what comes when it comes.

It's not an ideal situation, fact is, it sucks hard. But it's now the situation that we're in, so we have to do whats best, right now and for the future.

I thought they weren't selling the passenger rail?

Premier Anna Bligh on Tuesday told reporters the government would restructure the state's rail system to create two new entities: a publicly listed company to be known as QR National and a government-owned corporation to be known as QR.

They're selling QR National (well, up to 75% of QR National now with plans to sell the rest at a later date) which is the freight network. NOT Passanger rail.

Mantra, it's a bit more of;
State Labor "Hey lets spend $10M on a bridge, Right now! No time to waste on planning!"
Local Government "Um, Guys? We kinda had a plan for that area, could you move your bridge?"
They had plenty of money to waste with the mining Boom... so they got into a habit of wasting it... and now we're stuck with a crack addicted government doing anything to get it's next score.

Lib's would of been the same, dont get me wrong, but we needed a change a few elections ago. Sadly we never got it.

Mantra, it's a bit more of;
State Labor "Hey lets spend $10M on a bridge, Right now! No time to waste on planning!"
Local Government "Um, Guys? We kinda had a plan for that area, could you move your bridge?"
They had plenty of money to waste with the mining Boom... so they got into a habit of wasting it... and now we're stuck with a crack addicted government doing anything to get it's next score.

Oh yeah, we're feeling the effects of that all over the place. Although I wouldn't say that state govt is solely to blame. Local govts have been going off half cocked as well.

Part of the work I did with DIP was to try and consolidate the planning across both parties... and that is a f*** load harder than it should be. "No, this tunnel is miiiiinnnneeee!!!", "We're funding 51% of it, so we should decide!".. f***ing blah blah blah.

Do you know that we have 2 separate traffic light systems that don't talk to each other in greater Brisbane? Tops!!