If you ever have the inclination to visit Guangzhou China, think again. Polluted, grubby and extremely filthy. Food is average and in some cases disgusting. The people can be rude, impatient and are a rabble. The internet is crap and the fastest speed I have found so far is 512kbps. Mostly speeds of between 54kbps to 128kbps. Broadband is practically non-existant in Guangzhou.

I was first placed in a 3 star hotel and it was filthy and dilapidated with mosquitoes in the room and the air-conditioner looked as though it hadn't been cleaned for 20 years, bits were broken and they fixed it with sticky-tape.

There are no western hotels in the district I am working. I complained to the customer and made them move me to what they call a 4 star hotel. It would be the equivalent to a rundown motel in Australia. That's the best I can get in this industrial district I am in called Huangpu.

I am doing consultancy work for their State Oil and Chemical company, Sinopec.

I am here for work for two weeks and all I can say is DON'T GO.

I was in Tokyo, Japan the prior week working with Fujitsu on a project for Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) a nuclear power generator on the subject of our reliability engineering software. I tell you the difference is stark. Japan is a civilised country with civilised people who are extremely courteous and helpful. It is clean and exciting in Japan. I can't praise it enough.

Guangzhou is depressing and I can't wait to leave.

Anyone else with experiences of Tokyo or Guangzhou?

Step-mother is from Guangzhou I think.

My old man has mentioned that the Chinese people oustide of Hong Kong etc are a bit basic - from memory he saw someone taking a dump in the gutter on the last trip!

Got some pics ?

a dump in the gutter on the last trip!




Got some pics ?

wat

cry me a river you dumb bitch

haha not of the dump.

It was the same sort of thing in Chongqing, really dirty. That's what happens when a city becomes one big factory. Luckily I was only there for a few hours.

My wife and boy are in Shanghai with her family until our house is built. Expensive city with all the trimmings. Because of China's population the extremity lines of rich and poor are much further apart than here. That's why you can experience a s***ty four star hotel in Guangzhou and then find your self in a spectacular 3 star in Shanghai.
That's not to say Shanghai is spectacular all over. The vast difference between rich and poor are extremely evident there too.

china is a s***hole?????????????



ARE YOU SERIOUS

Forgive me for stating the bleeding f***ing obvious here. But isn't the entire point of having a star rating for hotels to signify the standard of the hotel no matter where it may be in the world?

So a great hotel is rated as a great hotel and a s***hole is rated as a s***hole no matter where in the hell they are. I guess more importantly the question would be whom is rating these places and is there an internationaly accepted system as with many other accredited companies?

In the case of SFB here perhaps his employer could stipulate that their employees be put up in hotels of no less than a eg 4 star hotel that conforms to X international standards. I of course appreciate that not everywhere on the earths surface has easy access to quality hotels.

everyone knows its not hard to copy levi jeans and 4 star signs in CHINA

also i went to japan on the stopover to Eu and all i can say is the milk tastes like s***

that had me worried.. cause i never thought of the food difference when upping and moving 1/2 way around the world..

luckly NL is alot like australia.. cept for the chocolate sprinkles on bread for breaky.. and crap meat quality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(classification)#Hotel_ratings

Because of China's population the extremity lines of rich and poor are much further apart than here. That's why you can experience a s***ty four star hotel in Guangzhou and then find your self in a spectacular 3 star in Shanghai.
That's not to say Shanghai is spectacular all over. The vast difference between rich and poor are extremely evident there too.

I dunno why the population is the key factor, I think its more likely that its a feature of developing nations because the middle class lags behind the upper class and the lower class eats s*** no matter where you are.

My experiance with that is india. Exactly the same thing, the gap between upper class and middle class is just absurd in india. Its like upper class and lower class in australia, possibly bigger. Middle class suburbia in india was how you would imagine a slum in australia, super tight packed buildings, dirt lanes and s***, really weird. (and their slums are beyond imagination really) I stayed in a 5 star hotel there too and it was pretty nice but the level of maintenance just isnt the same as in a first world country for whatever reason... I guess it must be harder to find skilled labor for fixing up random s*** or something I dunno.

I don't know about the lack of skilled labour isn't india suposed to have the highest annual rate of Uni grads in the world? Surely it follows that if you have people with degrees surely you have people with trades. Or does India just print out degrees and hand them out to whom ever is standing in line?

Personally I think it's probably got more to do with companies simply not wanting to shell out the cash. Lets face it companies don't operate in countries like that without their main thrust being to screw every possible cent out of what ever it is that they are doing. I wouldn't doubt hotels having the same attitude.

I would have thought that there being so many rich and poor over there, some towns would almost solely be filled with poor people and so there definition of a quality hotel would be different to those in the city. Dunno?

I loved Japan and South Korea. I've had no experiences in China but from other friends at my old work they said it was as SFB described. Company was in the software dev space for engineering and CAD so got to spend some time in Yokohama and missed out on a tour of the Samsung Heavy Industries shipyard by a day :(

Is it cultural or just sheer stupidity that these poor people keep having children?

I dont understand how you could bring children into these terrible s***holes so they can starve to death.

i have been to guangzhou & while it's pretty crappy... china gets way more crappy n third-world the more inland you go. i had to tour around a few of the really inland towns like nanchang & changsha with my company to inspect thier power generation & distribution networks which was pretty fuct up :/

it's been almost 16years since i went to india but from what i remember it was more poverty stricken than backward... major cities have dirt roads n all the buildings are run down n badly repaired. as qmass says there is a huge gap betweent the rich & the poor... lower castes are uneducated & get treated like dirt. upper castes are educated but too snooty to do trademans type work... that's the impression i got anyway, coz it's lots of the tradey type work that seems to be lacking... electrical wiring, plumbing, etc...

austraila ftmfw.

At least the organs are cheap in China.

Fkn scary.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/283/abcexection3080215sshth.jpg

She must have had a steering wheel lock under the seat.

I don't know about the lack of skilled labour isn't india suposed to have the highest annual rate of Uni grads in the world? Surely it follows that if you have people with degrees surely you have people with trades. Or does India just print out degrees and hand them out to whom ever is standing in line?

lols, my (2) flunkys have 5 degrees between them

That picture apparently is a few years old of someone found guilty of murder. *shrug*

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20041202_4.jpg

At least she did choke or anything like a hanging.
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20041202_9.jpg

haha mr hardware

luckly NL is alot like australia.. cept for the chocolate sprinkles on bread for breaky.. and crap meat quality

and the coke just isn't the same yeah?