Dunno if any of you guys saw this last night. Some jerks thought it would be funny to film themselves belting the family cat and smashing it up against the walls in the shower and then soaking it with water.

Anyway, some youtube users were able to trace down where this guy lived and gave his info to the cops. Here's a news clip of it. Hope they get raped for this.

I don't really want to watch cruelty. Is the clip a news item with tame footage or the actual cat flick?

It's not the full video. This is from a news station in the US doing a story on it. They do show a few parts from it though.

I am absolutely f***ing disgusted. I'll say it again penalties cruelty to animals needs to be increased to match that of penalties for assulting or killing people.

I know that sounds over the top but who really gives a f*** when it's only scum that'll be tossed in jail for this s***.

f***ing scum

I can't imagine the prison population taking a liking to cat/dog beaters too much. I think a year or two would be enough to set em straight.

Pretty low. I'd be destroyed if any of my kids behaved like that.

Its been said before but a lack of empathy and cruelty towards animals in children is considered a key marker for psychopathic behaviour.

Kind of sad really.

the videos weren't _that_ bad. they pretty much just knock it round and wet it. they scared and pissed it off, but they didn't really hurt it

the videos weren't _that_ bad. they pretty much just knock it round and wet it. they scared and pissed it off, but they didn't really hurt it

f*** that, you can hear the cat in distress at the end of the video. if someone did that to my cat i would seriously consider ending them.

the videos weren't _that_ bad. they pretty much just knock it round and wet it. they scared and pissed it off, but they didn't really hurt it

Did you hear the sound it was making at the end? I'd rather see 2 girls 1 cup than hear that cat meow like that.

i just watched the original Halloween for the first time and good old Michael started out by killing animals aswell. Seriously eye for an eye with pricks like this, take them into a room, get a boxer to come in and lay into them for the same length of time as they did to the animal and see how much they like it.

This is what happens when your kid asks for a puppy & gets a cat

Don't most serial killers start off by torturing animals?

eye for an eye with pricks like this

Couldn't agree more. It seems like a George Carlinesque method of crime prevention and in reality would work. I could even suggest a boxer to do it, that big beefcake Butterbean.

yeah the old story used to go serial killers (as children) torture animals and show no remorse they also like lighting fires and wetting the bed. Sadly I'd say at least 30% of the forum goers here still have two of those three things as a pretty much everyday part of their lives. :P

go the sheriff "i'm a lover of animals"

the videos weren't _that_ bad. they pretty much just knock it round and wet it. they scared and pissed it off, but they didn't really hurt it

rofl, serial killer marker right here.

Animal psychology 101. when an animal no longer bothers trying to escape beatings or fight back, it is pretty seriously damaged.

I'll say it again penalties cruelty to animals needs to be increased to match that of penalties for assulting or killing people.

Maternity leave for people with newborn kittens while we're at it.

u guys all missed that it was a cat he was being mean to?

I'll say it again penalties cruelty to animals needs to be increased to match that of penalties for assulting or killing people.

f***ing what? lol. yes the video was bad, yes the kids should be punished but are you seriously suggesting the punishment should be the same as if they had stabbed or killed a person? f*** off lol.

u guys all missed that it was a cat he was being mean to?

Gonna assume that is just usual Spook silliness and you don't really think its OK to torture any sort of animal.

Raising animals to human status isn't practical. What do we do, have a forensic investigation at each roadkill site? Call the coroner in every time a dog gets put down?

Animal cruelty lawws probably ened tightening, but there should also be better attention paid to the mental health implicatons, court-ordered evaluations etc.

It seems QGL has nearly as many psychologists as it does economists.

It's cool to say that psychopaths start off by abusing animals but what about the fact that most were abused themselves? It's highly likely that kid has been abused at some point for him to be acting that way.

Besides, it's not like he was doing it to a dog.

Besides, it's not like he was doing it to a dog.

True, that and the cat was probably in his butter

what about the fact that most were abused themselves?

what about it? it's completely beside the point

It would be no worse if he was hurting a dog.

It's cool to say that psychopaths start off by abusing animals but what about the fact that most were abused themselves? It's highly likely that kid has been abused at some point for him to be acting that way.

The wiki article I linked to points to abuse as a common precursor. If anything you seem to be agreeing that children who demonstrate cruelty to animals and lack of empathy should be evaluated?

Or is it OK to beat the s*** out of animals because you were abused?

Don't most serial killers start off by torturing animals?

My point was that most start off by being abused, torturing animals is a side effect of the abuse they themselves have suffered.

Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

My point was that most start off by being abused, torturing animals is a side effect of the abuse they themselves have suffered.

but that's not even a point, let alone relevant to anything being said in this thread
it's like you just wanted to waffle on about it

Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

simply not realistic

but that's not even a point, let alone relevant to anything being said in this thread

Pointing something out would be the very definition of making a point. You clearly don't understand the word relevant so please stop using it.

simply not realistic

So don't bother trying.

I do like waffles though, fair point.

My point was that most start off by being abused, torturing animals is a side effect of the abuse they themselves have suffered.

It almost seems like you want to say its OK to beat the s*** out of the cat if you were abused yourself?

Its not f***ing OK at all. Its probably even worse and requires identification and treatment not "treat the cause" blase attitudes to cruelty.

Do you treat a skin cancer by cutting it out or do you tell the person to stay out of the sun next time?

If there was ever any sort of person I would like to kick the s*** out of it would be people like these dicks.

I did find it funny how they tried to make it out in the news that it was picked up by its neck, to make it sound more cruel eventhough they were picking it up from its scruff, where they are "designed" to be picked up from (from their mother etc).

internet justice!

poor kitty :(

Pointing something out would be the very definition of making a point. You clearly don't understand the word relevant so please stop using it.

you come along and made a statement that was beside the point. it had no bearing whatsoever on what people were saying as hogfather has also implicity highlighted

So don't bother trying.

total fail
it doesn't mean you don't bother trying, it simply means what I said - it's not realistic to 'treat the disease and not the symptom'. both need treating

I did find it funny how they tried to make it out in the news that it was picked up by its neck, to make it sound more cruel eventhough they were picking it up from its scruff, where they are "designed" to be picked up from (from their mother etc).

Except you're meant to support the weight of the cat's body with your other hand. Doing it one-handed on an adult cat will hurt the cat.

I consider abuse of anything that's small and defenseless to be f***ing horrible and I want to anally fist with a cactus any scum sucking f***er that does it.. whether it's a cat, dog, baby, toddler, etc. It's fine to say it's just an animal but the reality is one day the people doing these actions will just upgrade themselves to doing it to a baby, their own kids or who knows.

Take them out of the gene pool now. Here is a web site with all the guys personal info - internet wins again!

thats just horrible. I have 2 kittens, 8 months and 4.5 months and I go postal on anyone who did that to my pets.

Then again, neither of them would let me do that to them... they love and trust us but would be all teeth and claws and hissing in an instant if I tried what that kid did.

Looking at that cats demeanour and body language, I doubt this is the first time its been abused as well, it was totally cowed by him.

if you think this vid is bad, watch the vid (seriously, dont) of the asian girl crushing a kitten under her foot. people are f***ing disgusting.

There was that Australian killer or rapist or something (I forget, someone f***ed up, a couple of years ago) whose mother used to buy him kittens so he could tourture them and pull them apart.

That's even more f***ed up.

you have to be gentle with pussy. stroke it, pat it, use fingers gently. bashing and hitting a pussy will not get a favourable response and more than likely, the pussy will not let you touch it again.

bashing and hitting a pussy will not get a favourable response and more than likely, the pussy will not let you touch it again.

but she will still cook you dinner

the pussy will not let you touch it again

unless you can tie it down somehow

I know what I said sounded over the top and am well aware of that. However I am pretty damn sick of seeing this sort of bulls*** dished out to animals by a******s. It is absolutely sickening that someone can take a defenseless or worse a family pet and do this kind of crap.

There needs to be some form of deterrent that leaves no doubt that our society does not accept the torture of animals. As it stands now pretty mucht eh worst someone is going to get amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrist and that simply isn't good enough.

Treat the disease, not the symptoms

I've got another one for you.
"DO THE CRIME, DO THE TIME"
f***ing pricks.

Let's organise a good old fashioned lynch mob.

You'd be the first victim.

There needs to be some form of deterrent that leaves no doubt that our society does not accept the torture of animals. As it stands now pretty mucht eh worst someone is going to get amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrist and that simply isn't good enough.

We should start telling them that the abuse of animals is a crime against GOD AND THEY WILL ENTER HELL FOR DOING IT.

And the LORD said, abuse ye not the animal-eths

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” - Ghandi

Still have a way to go huh?

I wonder how many of the people calling for the electric chair over this love a good steak...

Oh that's different!

Uhh, it's all humane and stuff... uhh isn't it?

The animals don't suffer AT ALL there before they and every other animal around them are butchered and eaten.

(vego's may continue to rant)

Yeah you are right plok because the easiest way to kill a cow is to toss it around like a rag doll in a bathroom. Hey that sounds so fun lets make video's of it and post them all over the net I hell I bet is becomes such a huge success it could land a TV deal.

plok seriously that kind of simple minded black and white view of things is pretty pathetic.

I definitely do love a good steak, especially when it's been banged on a shower wall by a ninja

Sarcasm aside, you are right, banging a cow around a shower wall and spraying it with water will no more kill a cow than it would say a cat. You have to do a lot more than that if you want to actually kill it.

You know what is pathetic? That some people can't see just how blind they are to their own hypocrisy. People that just utterly unable to admit to themselves that -- hey, no, it isn't somehow different... they're torturing (and then gosh darn it all killing) defenseless animals just so I can enjoy my pulled pork.

What makes it oh so different?

A) That it was a couple of punk teen wankers and we all want secretly want to beat up smug f***s like them anyway?
B) Well, well, well, they posted a vid of them doing it to the internet thinking they'd get some lols! That's the uncool part!!
C) Look, if they'd just posted a video of a routine slaughter, butchering and hell, throw in a full cook-up of the cat and posted is as an educational treatise entitled "where meat comes from" then that would have been cool!
D) Man getting fired up over people who eat meat makes me sound like those nut-job enviro-terrorists PETA who actually condone HUNTING DOWN AND MAKING PAY people who do s*** like that to defenseless (meat producing) animals (man, serious whackos.. still something sounds a little familiar there.. hmmm)

OR MAYBE YOU'D LIKE A CUP OF "WHAT'S-BEHIND-DOOR-E"??

E) Uhhhh gosh Wilma, maybe I'm just not willing to examine this issue and just pretend it has nothing to do with it because that would be too hard! I really love my meat! The gubbmint say it's ok to eat meat!


???

plok's right, I mean there is absolutely no difference between an animal that's bred and raised to be killed for a food source and an animal that's been taken in as a pet.

There was that Australian killer or rapist or something (I forget, someone f***ed up, a couple of years ago) whose mother used to buy him kittens so he could tourture them and pull them apart.

bad boy bubby? ;p this is cat!

there is definitely a lot of double standards when it comes to animal creulty... like how 99% of all animal creulty stories are dogs or cats... you never see animal creulty stories about crayfish or vultures ;p

I like how you completely glossed over the ninja part plok

Well Jim... you didn't specify that the ninja was a cat -- therefore I couldn't care less about it! 8)

plok's right, I mean there is absolutely no difference between an animal that's bred and raised to be killed for a food source and an animal that's been taken in as a pet.

Ahh yes, you see you need to be very careful with sarcasm when you are wrong -- because then it makes you right!

because then it makes you right!

That's because I'm never wrong.

PETA loonies love to sniff their own farts cos they are sooo good.

If we came into this world as vegans and made a conscious choice to hunt down animals for the f*** of it or simply because we can that would be a whole other issue.

There is a f***ing huge difference between killing live stock so we can eat and survive compared to beating the s*** out of or tourturing a domestic cat/dog for a few lolz and a bit of entertainment.

Taking pleasure in another creatures suffering is so far removed from the meat eating arguement that it is f***ing staggering that some people don't see it. The fact that it is nessicery to eat and the fact that we are carnivours are completely seperate from c*******s who torture any living creature for pleasure.

btw plok what do you eat?

I love my steak and the smell of my own brand

You make to conscious decision to eat meat every time you do it. The fact that you don't happen to be the one that draws the knife across its throat I guess is good enough for you.

Oh yes, "live stock" sounds better than calf or lamb doesn't it?

You do take pleasure in eating the flesh of slaughtered animals. You also have this strange belief that we need eat meat (comedy typo edit) to survive. We are not carnivores, and in fact eating the amount of meat that many QGL'ers almost certainly do is a luxury that large parts of the world can not afford.

Do not kid yourself, you don't need to eat meat and the next time you are enjoying that roast, spare a thought for the defenseless lamb that was killed completely unneccessarily just to satisfy your craving for his/her cooked flesh. I wonder if the very much still alive cat would like to trade places with it?

Anyway, I'm out, bedtime here -- you are happy to believe the issues are nothing alike and you have some fuzzy reasoning that you aren't going to examine too hard as to why eating meat is ok and good for you. Just one more hypocrite without the guts to really examine their actions against their (so called) beliefs -- at least not if it means you can't get your fix of T-Bone.

Ok, that came off a little harsh so here -- :D

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plok is a vegan hippy... the only meat he puts in his mouth is man meat.

So bottom line you see torturing an animal over a period of time for the fun of it as exactly the same thing as firing a bolt into it's head and killing it instantly to provide a food source.

Taking a animal into your home as a companion/pet having it trust you and being obligated to ensure it's wellbeing gives you licence to make that animal suffer simple because somewhere in the world people eat meat right?

plok you didn't answer the question as to what you eat, care to share that?

I don't really see why it matters what he eats - he's pointing out what he perceives to be a level of hypocrisy, not claiming he isn't a hypocrite himself

I don't see the problem in asking him what he eats. If he answer it'll only serve to give a better insight into his opinion Suprise suprise I'd like to know more about him to better understand where he is coming from.

There's a difference between killing and torture.

Human beings are omnivores, meaning they are set up to eat pretty much anything. The fact that you choose not to eat meat is fine, and people do that for a variety of reasons. I respect people's right to choose.

Torturing an animal for fun is a completely different case. Some people might argue that caged hens forced to lay eggs and fed steroids is a form of torture. I would tend to agree and so eat only free range eggs. What I am getting at is that one person's meat is another person's murder. It is up to the individual to decide what they deem acceptable. I don't think it's hypocritical to eat meat but be opposed to animal torture where the torture is for the amusement of people.

For instance I eat steak but I think bullfighting is cruel.

Torturing an animal (not necessarily killing it) solely for the purpose of taking pleasure it it's suffering is an indefensible position, and in inherently wrong.

BTW I eat meat but I am trying to move to organic/free range where possible as I believe that this is ethically better.

my 2c

Yeah I have to admit the whole battery chicken thing is pretty sad. That being said I tend to buy eggs marked as free range.

it baffles how some people think torture / abuse (obviously from that video over a period of more then 1 beating) is the same as an instant kill of livestock.

last i checked we don't bash live stock while laughing and then post it up on the net like some douche bags.

i retract my previous statement about the boxer, instead put him in with a lion.. fairs fair after all :D lets see how he goes vs a bigger kitty

f*** off, hippy.

Actually raider that would make for interesting viewing. Someone found to of abused an animal being put in a cage with an animal thats actually capable of dishing out as good as it gets.

it's all in the attitude!

i think everyone , even plok, understands the difference between some kids beating a cat & making a vid of it & industrial creulty resulting in our food. however some people go WAY overboard when they see examples of creulty towards animals... & this is most likely why knobheads make the videos... instant response & most likely they will get away with it.

saying that the perpetrators should be dealt torturous punishment for thier actions isn't reasonable. it's a LOT worse to torture a human so you would be asking another person to commit a crime worse than the original crime.

saying that the perpetrators should be dealt torturous punishment for thier actions isn't reasonable. it's a LOT worse to torture a human so you would be asking another person to commit a crime worse than the original crime.

Unless we televise it and call it reality television, right ?

Yeh, im thinkin he's ass is goin to be traded for a pack of ciggies on the in side, sick f***er.

some people go WAY overboard when they see examples of creulty towards animals...

Understandably cruelty to animals or in some cases torture invokes a heightened response because we see most animals as defenceless or at least less able to defend themselves against the relative intelligence of humans.

Sorta the same thing as child abuse. Slapping a child in the face in seen as much worse than slapping another adult because they have a diminished capacity to defend themselves.

In any case animal torture/cruelty shows a lack of empathy and in most cases requires some sort of disciplinary action. I think penalties are too lenient and while putting someone in with a lion for harming a house cat is extreme, I get where this sort of emotional response is coming from. If someone deliberately hurt my dogs I would quite happily hurt them back. On TV the other day they had a lady who left her dog in the car for over an hour in the heat and she got a $27 fine (in the US). Pretty light on if you ask me.

Obviously the need to hurt animals for entertainment comes from a bad place. It's often the intent or the reasoning behind the act that is most sickening, and potentially harmful to humans as well as animals if let go unpunished.