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kitten
Posts: 127
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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infi
Posts: 7873
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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no one on here is interested in drifting. A simple search could have told you that.
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teq
Posts: 841
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Space Ninja
Posts: 3329
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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5 runs at 80% ok
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| #3 02:26am 27/01/08 |
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The GuVna
Posts: 665
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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* N U K E D *
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AvaLon
Posts: 75
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mememememe . i drift my 180 at archerfield and qr.
drift is my passion and has my heart. (kitten/em?) http://members.optusnet.com.au/glenmatthews/pics/A2-1.jpg last edited by AvaLon at 05:22:22 27/Jan/08 |
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| #5 05:22am 27/01/08 |
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Spook
Posts: 20752
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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mememememe . i drift my 180 at archerfield and qr. pussy i drift on the roads, mainly in school zones |
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| #6 08:11am 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7038
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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tidal drift
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| #7 08:12am 27/01/08 |
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 1890
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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midrift
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| #8 08:18am 27/01/08 |
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scooby
Posts: 3383
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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lol awesome pic glenny
180 crew, hi5 http://carenthusiast.smnl.net/userpictures/original_553821106_Nissan_180sx_1994.JPG |
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| #9 10:06am 27/01/08 |
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Protius
Posts: 3830
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I watch it does that count as being into it? In fact I was at parklands all arvo watching yesterday.
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| #10 10:07am 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7040
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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180 spew more like it :p
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| #11 10:20am 27/01/08 |
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dafugg
Posts: 1440
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I tried to drift my getz but it doesn't work for some reason. It could be the bags of cash I have stashed in the back that I didn't spend on an old car.
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| #12 10:53am 27/01/08 |
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kitten
Posts: 130
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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sweet, maybe we should get a few together and go to their next event, parklands 17 feb :D
i also go out to archerfield and unfortunately missed yesterday at parklands but next time for sure :P last edited by kitten at 11:40:16 27/Jan/08 last edited by kitten at 11:40:47 27/Jan/08 |
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| #13 11:40am 27/01/08 |
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AvaLon
Posts: 76
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hi5 180 crew! scooby love the side skirts, looks hot!
teq love your wheels. very jealous.. |
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| #14 11:35am 27/01/08 |
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AvaLon
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http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4683/d005607sl5.jpghttp://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5056/55253422kw0.jpghttp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9011/8115645ms3so1.jpghttp://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5403/post4563811564547151251ij4.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5489/20590818980807d499cfozx9.jpg
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| #15 11:54am 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7042
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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FD <3
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| #16 12:13pm 27/01/08 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13762
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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http://www.sidwahz.com/forum/templates/DAJ_Glass/images/eq19.gif
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| #17 12:20pm 27/01/08 |
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cerb
Posts: 3208
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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s15 <3
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| #18 12:19pm 27/01/08 |
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teq
Posts: 843
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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| #19 12:21pm 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7043
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/paveway_s1/mandown.jpg
man down last edited by paveway at 12:32:31 27/Jan/08 last edited by paveway at 12:33:00 27/Jan/08 |
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| #20 12:33pm 27/01/08 |
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AvaLon
Posts: 78
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/glenmatthews/pics/head_md.gif
teq a good work friend is looking for some kick ass rims so ill let him know. |
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| #21 12:29pm 27/01/08 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13763
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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lol pave
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| #22 12:34pm 27/01/08 |
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teq
Posts: 846
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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yeah my car was on a tow truck after pavefag drove it while i had no licence
way to blow my water pump idiot scenario: water temps are pretty high, im trying to limp it home but paveway is in my (read: drivers) seat, about to get onto the ICB northbound at Milton teq: alright lets get this home and figure out whats wrong, go easy on it paveway: OMFG FULL BOOST ONTO ICB teq: f*** c*** TAKE IT EASY paveway: err i have to get up to speed teq: ... car loses power, we pull over to that area there teq: .... paveway: HAPPY SNAPS pro tip, don't let paveway drive your car oh yeah, happy birthday poof last edited by teq at 12:41:44 27/Jan/08 |
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| #23 12:41pm 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7044
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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hahahahaha yeah it was my fault your water pump died
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| #24 12:44pm 27/01/08 |
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Some Fat Bastard
Posts: 342
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I drift all the time. Off to sleep in front of the telly that is.
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Alize`
Posts: 1018
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Haven't been into drifting since my mate tried to drift around a traffic light turn in his mum's Toyota corona wagon... pulled the handbrake and smashed straight into the traffic light hahahaha.
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| #26 01:16pm 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7045
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 1891
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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iswydt
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| #28 01:28pm 27/01/08 |
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leb
Posts: 1188
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Teq you loose for having a wanka number plate.
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| #29 01:36pm 27/01/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7046
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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you lose for being a leb
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| #30 01:54pm 27/01/08 |
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teq
Posts: 848
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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haha, i still love that people take my plate seriously
"man up" is what we used to say to each other if you were sitting in a circle when packing bongs, if you broke the circle you got told to man the f*** up |
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| #31 03:00pm 27/01/08 |
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Spook
Posts: 20755
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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leb also loses for being a fatty
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| #32 05:22pm 27/01/08 |
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sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 3269
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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BATLEB!
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| #33 05:59pm 27/01/08 |
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kitten
Posts: 134
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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LOL awesome
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| #34 09:12pm 27/01/08 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13765
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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| #35 10:06pm 27/01/08 |
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Nitro
Posts: 1362
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5056/55253422kw0.jpg lol this is my old neighbour!! We had a permanent 50m piece of coax over the fence to him and his brothers for playing HLDM. last edited by Nitro at 01:01:06 28/Jan/08 |
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| #36 01:01am 28/01/08 |
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kitten
Posts: 135
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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oh wow sweet Nitro, nice pic :)
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| #37 02:19am 28/01/08 |
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maxe
Posts: 12741
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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CeMaX
Posts: 312
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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New addition maxe? Tidy.
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| #39 09:45am 28/01/08 |
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maxe
Posts: 12744
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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$500 ebay knockoff tidy
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| #40 09:50am 28/01/08 |
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CeMaX
Posts: 313
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Score! Lines fit up ok?
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| #41 10:09am 28/01/08 |
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maxe
Posts: 12745
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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more or less
cant open the driver side door without reaching out and pushing the top of the skirt down zipties and sicaflex will sort that s*** out tho, gotta paint it all first. |
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| #42 10:12am 28/01/08 |
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Protius
Posts: 3831
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Most genuine ones don't fit up without a little bit of modification anyway. Damn its looks fine.
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| #43 12:03pm 28/01/08 |
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Nitro
Posts: 1363
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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maxe needs a paypal donation button in his sig
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| #44 08:21pm 28/01/08 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13767
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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get the man a decent set of wheels
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| #45 08:50pm 28/01/08 |
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kitten
Posts: 140
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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whos going to archerfield this friday night?
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| #46 06:45pm 31/01/08 |
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JakeG
Posts: 90
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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when i graduate i want to get an sr20 or rb25. debt time.
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| #47 07:00pm 31/01/08 |
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5786
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Building a drifter/modding an import on loaned money is one of the dumbest things you could ever do.
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| #48 07:46pm 31/01/08 |
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Spook
Posts: 20779
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Building a drifter/modding an import on loaned money is one of the dumbest things you could ever do. sif waiting to get a car i can think of a hundred things that are much worse than borrowing money to buy an import |
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| #49 07:48pm 31/01/08 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13778
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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buying shares on borrowed money?
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| #50 07:52pm 31/01/08 |
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Spook
Posts: 20780
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i am unsure how i feel about that
i guess if it pays off, super duper smells a bit like gambling though |
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5788
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Note that I didn't say THE DUMBEST, just one of...
Not just buying an import spook, buying it and pouring thousands of dollars into making it go faster and look uh "better" on borrowed cash. |
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Spook
Posts: 20781
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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people borrow money for all manner of things
if its something they enjoy and they can afford the repayments, why not? yes, its not a very good financial investment, but it mite be a s***load of fun i am all for fun |
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| #53 08:18pm 31/01/08 |
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5789
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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It would be a load of fun until you come off the track and ate some wall for lunch.
Then your fun consists of paying off your extensively modded twisted metal lawn ornament. |
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| #54 08:32pm 31/01/08 |
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scooby
Posts: 3390
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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remember to strictly only do stupid s*** on the STREET where your insurance is valid!
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| #55 09:35pm 31/01/08 |
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kitten
Posts: 142
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13787
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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yawn
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Spook
Posts: 20796
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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hot tip, make out with cerb
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| #58 09:43pm 01/02/08 |
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mission
Posts: 3551
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Wheels for teh lose.
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kitten
Posts: 143
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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yeah the wheels will have to go
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| #60 07:24pm 02/02/08 |
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CeMaX
Posts: 318
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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in the bin
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EniGma
Posts: 5308
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Hey, it's LOL spec.
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| #62 03:12am 03/02/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7104
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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why don't you post a pic of your car then nigs
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| #63 09:18am 03/02/08 |
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cerb
Posts: 3213
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Yellow S15 <3
agreed tho, wheels have to go. Here's how it should be done: http://cars.aaron-77.com/s15_enkei_01.jpg |
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| #64 10:41am 03/02/08 |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2413
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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| #65 10:47am 03/02/08 |
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Burgz
Posts: 2496
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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LPG LOL
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2414
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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i think you mean:
LPG FTW |
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paveway
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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nF
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Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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defcon
Posts: 1148
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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pave, i got the same mags on my 32, also u got anything done to the engine?
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13791
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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pave, i got the same mags on my 32, also u got anything done to the engine? everyone does, they are drifteks |
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TT_Avenger
Posts: 57
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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skylines = lets go spew
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scooby
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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teq
Posts: 856
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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less of this poofy sr s*** plz :p my 4cyl 2.0 sr puts out more power and torque than your 6cyl 2.0 rb go figure |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2415
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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and my fat, tired, old-tech LPG cab motor puts out more torque than either (~400nm). big deal!
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13792
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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no it doesn't
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2416
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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why, how much torque does a sr or rb 2ltr produce?
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13793
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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no, i'm saying your s*** heap lpg falcon makes a lot less than 400nm
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paveway
Posts: 7109
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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nah nothing defcon, apart from a pod filter and turbo back exhaust
i should have a trust intercooler kit arriving in a few days though :D |
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eighty-eight
Posts: 611
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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trust/greddy ftw!
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2417
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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nah nf, it'd be bloody close to 400nm, factory is 357nm, i have a Tickford gas system (tow pack) that adds about 10% torque (does away with about 10% power though) and i've got a shaved head running slightly higher than normal compression cos its on gas.
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Burgz
Posts: 2497
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I love how this clown tries to talk up his LPG falcon in every single car thread. One would think he'd give it up by now.
Pave, how much did pay for that? I've seen you around a few times .... |
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| #82 05:23pm 03/02/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7110
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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more than you can afford pal
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Burgz
Posts: 2498
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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s***, didn't realise it was Ferrari.
Hahaha |
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existence`
Posts: 6511
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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pave is one of those queer c***s that wont tell u how much he paid for anything
f*** that is annoying as f*** go drop a pinger off the balcony at the empire u goofy c*** |
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| #85 05:38pm 03/02/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7112
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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haha fire up you little homo
$11.5k |
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| #86 05:41pm 03/02/08 |
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orbitor
Posts: 7518
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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nah nf, it'd be bloody close to 400nm, factory is 357nm, the 5L eight doesn't even quite make 400nm. I think your estimates are quite optimistic. Btw, given my SR20 makes 300hp at the wheels @ 6200rpm (not stock obviously), if we assume 20% drivetrain loss, that's 414NM. An RB20 with a similar sized turbocharger will do about the same. |
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paveway
Posts: 7113
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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there is no such thing as an engine with more torque than a 4 litre ford straight six on gas, don't you know anything orbs
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acetame
Posts: 1714
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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$11.5k you over paid |
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orbitor
Posts: 7519
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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pfft, what if I threw a tow-pack on my S13 huh?
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paveway
Posts: 7114
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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if you ran is on gas, you might come up to scratch
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Trin
Posts: 2520
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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go drop a pinger off the balcony at the empire u goofy c*** Did he seriously, lol |
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paveway
Posts: 7115
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i'd rather drop one off the balcony and still have more in my pocket
than be a poor c*** with none selling my JB hi-fi vouchers last edited by paveway at 18:34:54 03/Feb/08 |
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Spook
Posts: 20818
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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lolz at this thread
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Jim
Posts: 7258
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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400newton millmetres more like
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kitten
Posts: 148
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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http://www.isc-warehouse.com/images/products/magnesium cr kai.gif
on the yellow S15 would look hot :P |
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paveway
Posts: 7116
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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if you got some bling
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kitten
Posts: 150
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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sif greazy
Posts: 45
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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hey kitten....
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bringing drift back to the streets, less dildos more skill |
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Ah i used to have one of those yellow ones
damn it was fun. http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/019c55323e.jpg |
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serious?
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why don't you post a pic of your car then nigs Woahh nigga finally got a turbo and thinks he's gangsta, lean back. SR's can push close if not over 500nm with a T28. LS1s are quoted 530nm at the crank? LOL gas doing 400nm. |
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paveway
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not being gangsta
i'd like to see what car you have >_< |
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who cares about torque anyway, its meaningless. power is what makes you go faster.
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Mr Hardware
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Enigma, the LS1 is a pushrod V-config engine, possibly the worst configuration for maximum torque. The best is an OHC straight motor, like the ford I6. The BA petrol falcon does 393nm from the factory, main difference between it and mine is VCT which i don't have. Le Infidel, that car has ~542nm. What's your point? Also, as the old saying goes, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
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Jim
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Enigma, the LS1 is a pushrod V-config engine, possibly the worst configuration for maximum torque. The best is an OHC straight motor, like the ford I6.false for ICE, the best is a long stroke, high compression, high BTU fuel engine. add high turbo boost for even more torque where the rearview mirror is located probably has as much relevance to where the camshaft sits or whether it's a V or inline, when it comes to torque |
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paveway
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when will you guys realise, there is no better engine that ford straight 6
for anything, ever. |
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mission
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Only if it's on gas.
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paveway
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nF
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The BA petrol falcon does 393nm from the factory, main difference between it and mine is VCT which i don't have. you really have no clue, even about falcons. BAs have completely different engines (DOHC for a start). also, even the BA lpg engines only make 375nm. and they have no relation at all to your au falcon lpg system. so no, your car doesn't make anywhere near 400nm. it might make 350nm (on a good day). also haha torque winning races, yeah ok. maybe this race: http://www.kriderracing.com/pictures/ddp1-11.jpg big torque is good but only when its big torque throughout the rev range, especially up top. factory the rb20 makes less torque than the sr20, but makes more power (its much of a muchness either way, though). this is because of the wider (or atleast higher) torque band of the rb20. |
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Mr Hardware
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Well yes and no. The ba motor only has two real differences, VCT and an extra cam up top. Other than that they're the same bore and stroke, same nearly everything else.
Also, from here: Developed in conjunction with Tickford, the 4.0-litre LPG unit generates power and torque outputs of 143kW and 362Nm - compared with 157kW and 357Nm for the petrol 4.0-litre engine. Now that's the gas only tickford system - i have the Tickford Dual Fuel which produced more torque again. I also run a slightly higher compression ratio, allowing it to make more torque again. Worst case, it would sit at around 380nm. also haha torque winning races, yeah ok. maybe this race:suddenly nf knows more than Carroll Shelby. last edited by Mr Hardware at 11:41:57 04/Feb/08 |
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orbitor
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I thought Dual Fuels were worse (in terms of power/torque output) than gas-only setups as they have to run a compromised tune?
I've never understood the idiotic war over power vs. torque, they are effectively the same thing. Power is just torque applied over a period of time. |
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paveway
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just an extra cam up top hey
thats why an RB30e makes a tad less power and about about the same torque as a RB20de retard |
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Mr Hardware
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I thought Dual Fuels were worse (in terms of power/torque output) than gas-only setups as they have to run a compromised tune?Yes. That is generally the case, especially with aftermarket gas systems. Mine is tuned for gas though, and runs pretty average on petrol. Because of Gas' 100-110 octane, you can make more power and torque from gas if you tune it right. Yes i know the BTU is lower, that just means you chew through more of the stuff. I doubt my power figures are much above 140-145kw, but i don't give a crap about power, torque is my preferred engine feel. paveway, what? |
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Jim
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suddenly nf knows more than Carroll Shelby.suddenly carroll shelby knows more than newton or, he's being quoted out of context by people who don't know any better at any rate, if you understood the relationship between torque and power you wouldn't go re-quoting that statement the way you did - particularly when you're aware of all the different types of races there are and the fact that torque and power curves vary |
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eighty-eight
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haha at the torque discussion.
Either way both your cars make f*** all power anyway. until you get it dynoed theres no way you can guess your torque. But i would put money down that your barra engine dosent make anywhere near 380nm at the wheels with an lpg tune. OH and with VCT on the BA barra 4.0L the maps for the timing are actually all blank from factory so unless you get it remapped and tuned to use them in a performance/economy guise VCT has no direct advantages. and NF you are right about the RB20 vs the SR20 but the RB will get you from 0-400m quicker if it was in the tame car. |
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Mr Hardware
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newton knew nothing about modern internal combustion motors.
i hardly think i quoted carrol shelby out of context, i just quoted him. What context do you suppose it was in? I know power and torque curves vary. Different motors produce different amounts at different times, due to the way they are designed or set up. engine dosent make anywhere near 380nm at the wheels with an lpg tuneagreed. 380nm at the flywheeel though. last edited by Mr Hardware at 12:17:13 04/Feb/08 |
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paveway
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me hardware knows more than newton about his own laws
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Jim
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newton knew nothing about modern internal combustion motors.heh are you implying modern internal combustion motors don't adhere to the laws of physics? i hardly think i quoted carrol shelby out of context, i just quoted him. What context do you suppose it was in?not in a global context, because in a global context, it's simply untrue. what wins the race (in all situations), is getting the most turning work done as fast as possible |
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kitten
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hmm i have a dilema about bov's and which one sounds the best, so far im going with HKS Super Sequential for best sounding, im comparing it to Turbosmart Vee Port and Supersonic, any opinions? :)
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nF
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Well yes and no. The ba motor only has two real differences, VCT and an extra cam up top. oh man, i think you just shot down your entire arguement right there. its gone from 2V to 4V, which increases the valve cross section significantly. vct (not sure how it works in the falcons) can also dramatically increase flow. dual fuel lpg is always worse than dedicated petrol or lpg, so i think you might want to check your lpg tank to see if its leaking cause you're clearly high on something. haha i presumed your car was dedicated lpg, wow, yeah, you're s***. and who gives a s*** about carroll shelby, what you are saying is completely wrong in the context of racing. engine torque means nothing unless you know how many rpm the engine is spinning at. peak torque is even more irrelevant. one thing you should understand is that engine torque doesn't equal acceleration. peak torque doesn't actually mean peak acceleration either. thats actually found at peak power. i'll explain: http://images.projectstripe.com/torquesvspower.png ^ a graph (numbers are abitary and are irrelevant) - power curve is calculated based on a torque curve (excel did it, i didn't draw it freehand) - note peak power is slightly after peak torque units and numbers are irrelevant for this. but basically power = torques per second (theres an additional factor in there, but its a constant so we can ignore it). now what a vehicle drivetrain does in the first 1 - 4 gears is multiply torques by reducing revolutions. essentially torques per second (power) has remained the same, but the actual torques at the wheels has been multiplied. this is what makes a car accelerate loads quicker in first gear than in second and so forth. now whats important isn't the torques at the engine at all, thats factored into the power calculations. what is apparent is though that you want as much torque as high up the rev range as possible. the higher that is, the more power you have and therefore the faster you go. hence the torque figure itself is irrelevant, and power is what counts. and what wins races. and what sells cars to people who know s***. case closed, you're a retard mr hardware. and your car is s***. last edited by nF at 14:22:05 04/Feb/08 |
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paveway
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doesn't matter nf, ford straight 6 on gas is the best ever
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this thread is all torque.
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kitten imo
plumb back > vee port > kick in the nads > HKS SSQ |
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demon
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why would the sound of a blow off valve be any different from brand to brand? don't they all just go 'psssht!' :P
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mine goes PEW PEW
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paveway
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yeah they make them different demon, some are like a whistle and s***
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nF
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i use a can of V
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Jim
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they all sound s***fkn oath how gay are those things |
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Mr Hardware
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what is apparent is though that you want as much torque as high up the rev range as possible. the higher that is, the more power you have and therefore the faster you go. hence the torque figure itself is irrelevant, and power is what counts. and what wins races.So if torque is the basis of the calculation to get power, then why is it irrelevant? I don't understand. Also, i'm not terribly interested in peak power output, i'm more interested in driving/engine feel, as i've stated before. Ok, say we've got two cars, exactly the same weight, exactly the same everything, and had the same power output but totally different torque figures. Would they be as fast as each other, flat strap? |
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paveway
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i'm waiting for another nf smack down
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Mr Hardware
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hey, i don't mind being wrong, just so long as i learn.
and when i'm wrong it's best to be informed in a logical, constructive manner like nf has put it, not a 'your gay and your car sux' comment. that just exposes the poster's inability to get their information across effectively. |
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orbitor
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Ok, say we've got two cars, exactly the same weight, exactly the same everything, and had the same power output but totally different torque figures. Would they be as fast as each other, flat strap? Same power output and same everything? Implies the torque is exactly the same. Do you know what torque is and how it related to power? They aren't independent for christ's sake. |
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nF
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So if torque is the basis of the calculation to get power, then why is it irrelevant? I don't understand. see if you can find a pop-up book to explain it then. Also, i'm not terribly interested in peak power output, i'm more interested in driving/engine feel, as i've stated before. Ok, say we've got two cars, exactly the same weight, exactly the same everything, and had the same power output but totally different torque figures. Would they be as fast as each other, flat strap? then why mention the shelby quote then. also if you are interested in engine feel why would you go lpg, does miss-firing, horrible cold starts and generally running like a dog the sort of "feel" you enjoy? and that hypothetical is a matter of gearing. f1 engines make hardly any torque, but make loads of power. an sr20 makes the same torque as an f1 car (according to wiki), which would win a race? also lol, i'd say oldmate shelby doesn't know too much about winning races: http://images.projectstripe.com/shelby.png |
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Mr Hardware
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well then how the hell can i have a say, VK Commodore with 109kw and 266nm, and a late model lancer with 113kw and 198nm of torque?
also, i have none of those symptoms on my lpg car. They are symptoms of a badly maintained system, just like you have different symptoms of any badly maintained system. I like the feel of being able to take off, beat rice burners and not even pass 2500rpm. I like being able to overtake without having to drop back a gear. I like being able to tow heaps of s*** without a noticeable loss in performance. Thats why V8s and Rotarys have similar power output, but a V8 could tow anything you throw at it where a rotary would just die. Thats where torque comes into play. last edited by Mr Hardware at 15:54:12 04/Feb/08 |
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oh god
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Dan
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Michael Carroll Shelby
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orbitor
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Power = (Torque * 2 * Pi * RPM)/60000
Please read and understand this formula. |
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you beat me to it dan
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Mr Hardware
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well i spose that's it, i don't like rpm. I think that's all there is.
I like a car that doesn't hardly have to go above idle to be moving nicely, rather than one you have to rev the rings off to get moving. also, who is michael carroll shelby. |
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paveway
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Mr Hardware
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eK
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I like being able to tow heaps of s*** without a noticeable loss in performance. Thats why V8s and Rotarys have similar power output, but a V8 could tow anything you throw at it where a rotary would just die. Thats where torque comes into play.Yeah fair enough, I'd hate to feel a noticeable loss in power when I was towing my home to the next trailer park as well. |
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cerb
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if you want to do everything without any revs then I think you need to see these guys.
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demon
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get a tractor mr.hardware, o wait, you have one :D
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Red
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nah cerb, you're wrong.
he needs to shoehorn one of these bad boys in: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ |
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nF
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I like being able to tow heaps of s*** without a noticeable loss in performance. Thats why V8s and Rotarys have similar power output, but a V8 could tow anything you throw at it where a rotary would just die. Thats where torque comes into play. dumb example. you're not exactly going to hook up a caravan to an rx8 now are you? better example would be comparing say jim pulling my pajero up a hill in a diesel landcruiser prado, compared to say petrol landcruiser prado. they both make similar torques, but one makes a lot more power. which is going to climb the hill better? |
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the one not towing another f***en 4x4?
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Sif Jim. You were getting stuck on those Tree roots too!
Yet the Jeep? Not a problem, clear up the left side! I know my Jeep goes "Vroom" and can go over rocks without going 'Crunch', Can I join in the car talk? |
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I was just showin nef how to cause as much environmental damage as possible
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i'm pretty sure the pajero came off worse than the environment though
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http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x56/maxe1/IMG_1199_1024.jpg
mad day out, did anyone else go or did you all stay here arguing about torque and other gay s***? |
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how did the patrol in the background go?
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would have won just idling
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scooby
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omg if i didnt have a Job, i wouldv so been there today
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Fnukle
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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haha have you seen the rangie yet? :P
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maxe
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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how much gravel did you end up taking home in that body kit? about 8kg is the front bar still out on turn 1 ? nah carried it back to the pits, fell off again on the highway, but its safe at home now |
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paveway
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i bet you felt awesome when it fell off
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Skitza
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i liked the part where the mitsubishi needed a tow LETS SETTLE THIS ON THE STREETS PAL!!$!$!11 |
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rolo_tomasi
Posts: 1255
Location: Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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aha u could have at least trimmed those zipties for more pro cred.
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cerb
Posts: 3219
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i liked the part where the mitsubishi needed a tow less torque, more talk. err i mean... no, that was right |
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AvaLon
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went drifting at qr this arvo! rain was homo! spun and hit the start of a ripple strip and buckled my rim.... :( sigh!
but i was getting some sweet 4th gear action!! |
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Le Infidel
Posts: 1722
Location: Other International
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aww :( so no one looked at the drifting that was happening in china??
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/01/bad-weather-round-up/ talk about sideswiping the barriers http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/mangled.jpg |
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Jim
Posts: 7266
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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is that car repairable?
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cerb
Posts: 3220
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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that'll buff right out
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Fnukle
Posts: 4941
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Depends if your with Suncorp Jim.
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nF
Forum Hero
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Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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hahah
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Jim
Posts: 7267
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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man is there anything suncorp can't fix?!
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Spook
Posts: 20834
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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im hoping they are going to fix my (house) roof tomorrow
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eighty-eight
Posts: 614
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Mr hardware what rice burners have you beaten with your falcon without taking it over 2500rpm? where they even racing you?
Id like to race you in my rice burner. and BOV's FTL, unless your using a wastegate as a BOV :D . compressor surge FTW. |
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Fnukle
Posts: 4943
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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They cant fix my massive boulders Jim.
They are still falling |
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Burgz
Posts: 2500
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Mr hardware what rice burners have you beaten with your falcon without taking it over 2500rpm? where they even racing you? f*****y old supra's dont count/ |
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eighty-eight
Posts: 617
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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dont count as what a rice burner? Thats fine with me.
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nF
Forum Hero
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Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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they don't count in burgz's list of cars his sold probably.
in my opinion, mk3s are awesome, and its worth more than burgz's, cause hes s***. |
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paveway
Posts: 7136
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so all in all, i think we cam come to the conclusion from this thread that mr hardware is infact:
hunter. |
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 1920
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I WANT TO BELIEEEEVE
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Trin
Posts: 2521
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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also, never get insurance through AAMI
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configurecart
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Vorador
Posts: 1292
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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All this serious torque discussion http://users.bigpond.net.au/raraku/engine.jpg this engine puts out torque/power/environmentally harming fumes that can only be measured in hopes, dreams and bitter, bitter disappointment. Also the car it comes in is so incredibly rad that it has dynamic weight reduction - it is so JDM that the car can figure out where bits of chassis arn't really necessary and boom its gone over like 10-15 years tops. this thread made me cry internally. |
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EniGma
Posts: 5311
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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lol just incase people confused this car for something else (due to hectic kit), there's SILVIA writen on the front bar.
rocking
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cerb
Posts: 3221
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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s13 with an s15 front end?
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eighty-eight
Posts: 618
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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woah that silvia is sexual.
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Jim
Posts: 7269
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I spy with my little eye, a crusty old L28
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maxe
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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s13 with an s15 front end? stocko SR seat and disproportionate front guards say yes |
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Reverend
Posts: 990
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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that Silvia looks dead sexy and im no rice fanboy |
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Space Ninja
Posts: 3331
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I spy with my little eye, a crusty old L28 Hands off, thats my crusty old L28, done at least 400,000kms, 1979 and its still going awesome |
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AvaLon
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http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/Nissan180sxGlenSmall.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/NissanSilviaMaxeSmall.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/ToyotaJZX90HughseySmall.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/ToyotaJZX90Hughsey3Small.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/ToyotaJZX90Hughsey2Small.jpghttp://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/mr_squiggle_1/NissanSkylineR32770JPPSmall.jpg
pics from yesterday! |
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CeMaX
Posts: 321
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I'll see your L28 and raise you one of these:
http://www.turbophile.com/our_cars/charlotte_1200_coupe/engine_bay.jpg |
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Jim
Posts: 7270
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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haha is that an A12
I used to work on all these older jap motors when I was a kid |
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Le Infidel
Posts: 1723
Location: Other International
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so all in all, i think we cam come to the conclusion from this thread that mr hardware is infact:a close cousin maybe, if I remember hunter = country pack? |
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CeMaX
Posts: 322
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Yeah Jim, A12.
I own a 1200 Ute |
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paveway
Posts: 7137
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Hunter Vista
maybe ? |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13806
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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hunter lite, more like
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cerb
Posts: 3222
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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country pack only comes with the full version?
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13807
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Perhaps you can't read, in which case I will take pity on you and reiterate what I have already outlined previously in this thread
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kitten
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maxe
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paveway
Posts: 7166
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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go the 31
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existence`
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA maxe that is f***ING GOLD
ROFL |
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CeMaX
Posts: 324
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Haha classic maxe! Thread won.
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demon
Posts: 3221
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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excellent camera work. :D
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GaZ
Posts: 1666
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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black strawberry front = tits + drool
edit:- lol at camera efforts |
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kitten
Posts: 165
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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http://secretdrift.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16486
Super Sunday, 17th Feb @ Parklands. With a HUGH Show N Shine, Launch Comp, Drift Demos and a whole lote more, You have to come to this one day event for some awsome cars from south east queensland. For more info check out www.racelinepromotions.com anyone going? last edited by kitten at 21:10:17 11/Feb/08 |
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maxe
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i sure would like to see a hugh show n shine, plus a whole lote more
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paveway
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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we can't get enough of hugh
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