Ok, I didn't want to derail Agent 99's thread about this, so here I am. This question is to Booyah, Zub, Tuf and any other followers of the Muslim faith (and I'm not having a go here). How much freedom does your family allow when it comes to girlfriends/wives here in Australia? Are you permitted to go out with "Miss White Australia" or do they pressure you into seeing someone who follows the same faith as you? And if they do frown upon that, do you listen and take note of what they say or do you go out with whom ever takes your fancy?

Muslim freedoms.

The first one is an apostate or renegade, i.e. a Muslim person who has turned away from Islam and the second are those who are non-Muslims originally. The law for the first group of people, i.e. renegade is that firstly Islam will be presented once again to him and if he has any doubts or queries then these should be cleared out and he will be given a respite of 3 days. If he accepts Islam again, then fine otherwise he will be killed. This is substantiated by the noble Hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) wherein he explicitly mentions, ‘Whosoever changes his Deen, then kill him’. This only apply to the males. A female renegade will not be killed, rather kept imprisoned until she accepts Islam.

Is there any doubt that Islam is a cult?

lol crusades lol

all religion is a cult.

Tanaka Khan, im Arab but im christan not muslim, i grew up in a musilm country which is why i often clarify things when i can...anywho getting to your im not sure about How much freedom does your family allow when it comes to girlfriends/wives here in Australia?

im not really sure..i know that sound weird but i dont tell them when i do get a girlfriend..my family have no problem with australian wemon as such, but in our culture mariage is something thats forever...and here you find that marrage isnt that important and devorce is quite common...which is why alot of muslim/non muslim arab familys dont like there sons/Daughters dating Ausies.

i have some cuzons(sp) who grew up here and they have girlfriends, but unlike me they havent keept it secrate, and my family while dont approve, they dont cause a fuss over it, we have them over for dinner/christmass/other family events with there Girlfriends and there is never any problems...i guess its just something everyone has to get used to..which is only one of the reasons why i truely like this country and my life here.

i know over there, there would be know way i could have a girlfriend..it would still be my choice who i marry..but who wants to get married rite out of uni? this getting to know someone first and not being engaged to them suites me fine.

last edited by TufNuT at 14:02:20 08/Apr/06

Man, this is sooooo going to get into religion, but i'll try and be brief in answering the question then i'm back out.

1. Tufnut is a christain arab, that a side... him and I we coo we coo.

2. Depends on the family. My family leave it up to us as to who we choose for wives (err.. i'm not so much of a Polygynist but using plural here to talk about my bro and I). Aussie, white, black whatever. My parents are there to set the guidlines and it is up to us to make our own choices. They do obviously prefer we marry someone who's from the same country but it's not manditory. Though having gf is a no no for most proper muslim families and if that's the case then we should look into making it legal according to shariah by marrying that someone. I've had girly associates previously and my parents did know about them but as long as it was uni/work/socially related matters then they weren't so fussy.

3. Marrying people of the book is fine, that includes christains and jews who believe in the oness of god and not this trinity jazz. Few of those left today but you get my drift. Other than that, i could see my mum being really pissed if i went off and married some random who wasn't of the same faith/people of the book BUT would eventually accept it i reckon. If that was the case why even bother settling for a contract when you can get prepaid as you go.

4. Other families might force their sons/daughters into an arranged marriage but i've always been allowed to make my own decisions and i'm happy on the choices i've made so far. That's still the case for a lot other muslims families that i know here in Australia. Not sure about overseas, since these days they're more bound to the cultural aspect of marriage and not so much of the religious aspect. Meaning they may allow dating etc etc before tieing the knot. It all depends on how much you're into your religion/culture and what your family is like.


last edited by Booyah at 01:13:30 09/Apr/06

coo.... 'L'


anyways yes, islam is a cult and I guess so is christianity, buddhism etc etc

I personally would love to be a Scientologist but am too poor. :(

'trinity jazz'

hahaha, just funny to hear it put like that...

:)

man, u enjoy your booyah time before its all gone

Before what's all gone ?

yor booyah time man
my favourite of all times (obviously i mean my spook time, but for you, booyah)

ahhh the booyah time, kk i see, i'll heed your call and i'll think of you whenever i do.

I mean.. think of it in the back of your skyline..

or something.

homosexual muslims itt

I am too drunk to post properly but i like booyah's answer. And i like the thread.
More answers/questions!!

anyways yes, islam is a cult and I guess so is christianity, buddhism etc etc

how is buddhism a cult?

cult Audio pronunciation of "cult" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (klt)
n.

1.
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5.
1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
2. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

and:

Buddhism: The religion based on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as Buddha. He refuted the idea of man's having an immortal soul and did not preach of any Supreme Deity. Instead he taught that man should seek freedom from greed, hatred and delusion, and enlightenment through realizing the Four Noble Truths and following the Eightfold Path. The Four Noble Truths are: the fact of suffering, the origin of suffering, the annihilation of suffering, and the Eightfold Path. The Eightfold Path comprises: Right Views, Right Aspirations, Right Speech, Right Conduct, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Meditation. Buddhism migrated out of India, the country of its origin, and now enjoys a following of roughly 300 million, mostly in Asia.

from here
if you ask me, true buddhism is just about learning to live well and in harmony with all there is

i'm not a buddhist, but if there's religion i respect, it is definitely buddhism and those that are similar to it

anyway, the point is, apart from the very loose definitions of what a 'cult' is like number 6, how can you call buddhism a cult? hell, it's not even a religion according to the definition of religion at dictionary.com, because there's nothing spiritual, there are no supernatural powers, it's not a religious order if the term religion doesn't apply, and the buddha dude wasn't spiritual, plus it's not pursued with zeal, though it can be, but i haven't seen anywhere that it says you should pursue it with such


also down with religions, they suck, blah blah blah, usual wasting-time comments here

Yeah Buddhism isn't based around worship of an imaginary friend or a hierarchy for social control etc... it's more like a philosophy. Certainly wouldn't lump it in there with jews, muslims, and christians.

the buddha dude wasn't spiritual

A buddha's goal is to reach enlightenment. Of course they're spiritual.

the word 'cult' is a complete waste of time and is used to designate religious we don't like. It is not just a way of saying "this religion sucks"

the criteria by which we establish that a religion is a cult:
- compels complete loyalty
- requires allegiance to an individual
- weird rituals
- spooky theories on afterlife etc
- some rules which seem harsh and pointless

for example (obviously not a consistent or exhaustive list), could easily apply to the religion of whoever is speaking.

i guess they are all cults then

I may have gotten more praise if i becamse a stone cutter.

We dooooo, we dooooooooo.

A buddha's goal is to reach enlightenment. Of course they're spiritual.

you know nothing of enlightenment if you think it's spiritual.

and just to clarify:

spir·i·tu·al Audio pronunciation of "spiritual" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spr-ch-l)
adj.

1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.

I hear muslims have the freedom to remain silent, anything they say can and will be used against them in a court of law...

court of law?

if they are lucky

Yep straight to the s***ter of a jail cell.

1. Tufnut is a christain arab, that a side... him and I we coo we coo.

coo
v. cooed, coo·ing, coos
v. intr.

1. To utter the murmuring sound of a dove or pigeon or a sound resembling it.
2. To talk fondly or amorously in murmurs: The visitors cooed over the newborn baby.

coo
v. cooed, coo·ing, coos
v. intr.

1. To utter the murmuring sound of a dove or pigeon or a sound resembling it.
2. To talk fondly or amorously in murmurs: The visitors cooed over the newborn baby.

Congratulations typo you know how to use an online dictionary...

Typo is a coon.

it's not even a religion according to the definition of religion at dictionary.com, because there's nothing spiritual, there are no supernatural powers, it's not a religious order if the term religion doesn't apply, and the buddha dude wasn't spiritual, plus it's not pursued with zeal, though it can be, but i haven't seen anywhere that it says you should pursue it with such

you know nothing of enlightenment if you think it's spiritual.

Definition from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Buddhism is a major spiritual movement. Like humans, [supernatural beings] are regarded as having the power to affect worldly events and so some Buddhist schools associate with them via ritual. All supernatural beings, as living entities, are a part of the six-part reincarnation cycle.

The word "Buddha" denotes not just the historical Buddha Shakyamuni or Siddhartha Gautama who lived some 2,500 years ago, but also a type of person, of which there have been many throughout the course of time. (As an analogy, the term "president" refers not just to one person, but to everyone who has ever held the office of presidency.) The historical Buddha is one member of the spiritual lineage of Buddhas, which is thought to extend beyond history into the past and into the indefinite future.

durka durka jihad if you marry the white australian sluts ... and booyah knows it

Plenty of aussie convert girls out there believe it or not. Friend of mine is married to one and she's as faithful to him as they can get. Otherwise yes, durka durka jihad on me if i did pick up some joe blow hoe from the valley-o.

booyah if you picked up one of those shemales from the valley id jihad on you!

edit: not me, open login with troublesom house guest

last edited by Spook at 18:35:19 09/Apr/06

Now i'm curious as to what insult your house guest did say about me.

He wants to start huh? Tell him to meet me at my house for a game of ping pong and he can serve.

Congratulations typo you know how to use an online dictionary...

Doesn't "we coo we coo" sound a bit queer to you?

no

"coo" is just a wigger's (non-black person) impersonation of an african-american.

doesn't copy-pasting dictionary definitions of obviously-misspelled words seem anal to you

This thread sucks. Why don't you go read a book on muslims instead of asking about muslims on a gaming forum.

because we have some forum heros who are muslim. this is a far more reliable source.

people say this is a gaming forum

it is that, but it is so much more - religion, politics, sports, and funerals whose arrangements are being announced shortly

for myselfv (and prolly many others) this forum is actually the closest thing I really have to contact with muslim people, funny enough

WATCH YO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

watch yo watch yo watch yo back
watch yo watch yo watch yo back
watch yo watch yo watch yo back
watch yo back watch yo back


and yes yo is a deliberate spelling mistake so i'm saving you the time to go look up its definition, typo, ya gronk.

is gronk a typo?

is typo a gronk?

They're both typos cause they need to start with a capital I

Do you go to university? That was very clever...

do you have a sister Booyah and is she afforded the same leniency (or however you'd like to term it) as you?

ie: would she be able to have a white boyfriend who is not religious but is a perfectly fine gentelman?

also, if said sister exists pics or lying
oh wait... I'm not a gentleman

do you have a sister Booyah and is she afforded the same leniency (or however you'd like to term it) as you?

I dont know what leniency you're referring to, cause she's not allowed to have a bf in the same way i'm not allowed to have a gf, whether s/he are muslims or not. All i said was that if i really did like some australian girl then i'd have to marry her after she converts, that would make it easier for my mum take in. Otherwise (like i mentioned in my post) mamma would be fuming (to say the least) if i ended up bringing someone back home that was not of the same faith at least and especially someone who just aint potential wife material. I did say though that she may get over it 40 years later if that did happen down the track. It's not like it'll be the end of the world and i will be able to get away with it if i really really wanted to.


last edited by Booyah at 22:39:11 09/Apr/06

idol, i don't think whoever wrote that article for wiki has a clue what they're on about if they think buddhism is spiritual, i've spoken to many actual buddhists + been to monestary and confirmed it with various websites, there is nothing spiritual about it. it's just simple living... even the simpsons gave a definition "no creator gods, just the path to enlightenment" or something

This thread sucks. Why don't you go read a book on muslims instead of asking about muslims on a gaming forum.

No one asked you to post here Tiny, and you yourself have have made plenty non game related posts on this forum so f*** off.