Just thought i'd do a write up on a issues i have in my life right and have had in my life for quite a while. And that is, Freinds, and there marijuana use.

First off, i'd like to say, where do people get off smoking this drug or any drug for that matter and try to share the experience with other people. How ignorant and rude. They just assume you would like to take drugs as they do, so no harm done in asking if you ever smoke drugs. But thats BS, to all the people out there who smoke dope F you, you make me sick, go f yourself, smoke your bong as much as you like but dont try to f-king do it around me.

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emo++;

You have 2 legs right? If so and if your in their house then leave.
If you choose to still expose yourself to it, it is your own fault.

Get over this self important urge you have and realise other people have made other choices to you in their lifestyles.

If it's your house then you set the rules it's as simple as that.

^ Well put.

First off, i'd like to say, where do people get off smoking this drug or any drug for that matter and try to share the experience with other people. How ignorant and rude. They just assume you would like to take drugs as they do, so no harm done in asking if you ever smoke drugs. But thats BS, to all the people out there who smoke dope F you, you make me sick, go f yourself, smoke your bong as much as you like but dont try to f-king do it around me.

maybe you should pull the stick out of your ass and walk away...or how about just say no? is it really that hard?

Just thought i'd do a write up on a issues i have in my life right and have had in my life for quite a while. And that is, Freinds, and there marijuana use.

First off, i'd like to say, where do people get off smoking this drug or any drug for that matter and try to share the experience with other people. How ignorant and rude. They just assume you would like to take drugs as they do, so no harm done in asking if you ever smoke drugs. But thats BS, to all the people out there who smoke dope F you, you make me sick, go f yourself, smoke your bong as much as you like but dont try to f-king do it around me.

f*** off you stupid emo f*****.

/wrist

Just sounds like your friends have chosen a new path that you're not into. Happens all the time.

People who are into stuff talk about it, especially potheads, so that's just them trying to share the experience with you. But obviously you're not into it, so hence the conflict.

Sounds like you're pretty miffed about it though, so maybe it's time to go make some new friends who don't use it. If you have friends who don't do it, spend more time with them.

pot f***s people up. i have a friend that was at uni and she could bearly afford to feed herself because her and a friend would spend 300+ a week on pot.

Welcome to QGL, Robmanz.

8-)

Yes much like an excess of anything can f*** someones life up.
Ever heard of alcaholics?

Thats an unfair call though whitewolf, she didn't have to spend that much on it.
M O D E R A T I O N!

you guys are so insenstive.. a friend my mine died from a marijuana overdose. EVERYONE who smokes it is killing themselves and their families.. its a deadly substance and turns people into LAZY unproductive members of society. im of course joking and everything ive said so far was trollbait. i hope somebody replies without reading this line. threadstarter is a dips***.

the pot heads have spoken :P

Pot smells and tastes like complete ass but I've got nothing against people smoking the stuff.

What concerns me is that Robmanz can't spell friend...

i before e EXCEPT after c with a few exceptions, FRIEND not being one of those exceptions.

a friend my mine died from a marijuana overdose.

And a family member of mine died from lung cancer through cigerattes, so what do i do? I don't smoke. If someone desides thats what they want to do, go for it, just dont do it around me and we'll be cool.

died from a marijuana overdose

Can you explain how you die from a marijuana overdose ? Sorry I'm not part of the cool crowd. Heroin I can understand but this..? Was his resulting actions post pot why this person died ?

I am not a fan of people who smoke pot and I am not a fan of it myself. However I am not about to lecture people on it, unless they bring it up. I have even had people ask me if they mind and I foolishly said "No, not at all" (afterall it was their place) only to have it end up in a massive arguement because they had a go at me because I didn't smoke it but drank wine (says them drinking AND smoking).

Damn paranoid hippy freaks!!!!

Lolz that was some fine work Epic hehehe!

awesome another drug thread on qgl

Can you explain how you die from a marijuana overdose

its actually impossible. my post was pretty much bulls***.

Can you explain how you die from a marijuana overdose

its actually impossible. my post was pretty much bulls***

It actually IS possible!

The oral dose required to kill a mouse has been found to be about 40,000 times the dose required to produce typical symptoms of intoxication in man.

(Source)

So guys, assuming you are mice ... when you hit that 39999th toke in a given night, think hard about what you are about to do next!

Yeah the LD50 on THC is such a massive amount I doubt any human could ever overdose on it, actually AFAIK no one ever has overdosed from THC according to erowid.

Pot does turn people into unproductive members of socity though, politicians all smoked when they were at uni and look at how productive they are.

Once again, the onion gets it right.

So pot smokers are breaking into your house to smoke while you are in it? If not then shut the f*** up.

Man this thread is too confusing, im gonna go smoke another cone.

Yo dude, where's the munchies at man.

DO U HAF NE DRAG?

all my friends who used dope turned into deads***s - all of them. i never saw someone who could use the stuff in moderation and not turn into a deads***.

speaking from personal experience i would recommend never starting on the s***.

A friend with weed is a freiend indeed.

weed sucks anyway, such a horrible feeling, i get these f***ed up thoughts of how i look, and images flash in my head. And i can feel everything in my body, like it almost feels like i can feel the blood in my arms being pumped through. bleh.

of course:

Burning marijuana for smoking releases many substances other than THC, the ingredient which produces the drug's psychoactive effects. THC does not appear to be carcinogenic, but some of the other chemicals released by both marijuana and tobacco smoke are problematic. These include tar, carbon monoxide, and cyanide. One known carcinogen, benzopyrene, though found in both types of smoke, seems to be greater in pot smoke.

So although there is way less chance of getting cancer through weed (obviously cause even the biggest pothead can't outsmoke an aussie smoker), there is still the chance, so really it 'can' kill.

Most people who have problems with weed do because they have seen what it has done to their friends.

I used to live with 2 pot smokers and it was the best motivation to make a change I have ever had in my life.

1 was my best friend and if it weren't for him flushing his life down the toilet I wouldn't be where I am now.

It is rare you see pot smokers succeed in life however I know a few that have turned out to be very wealthy, but as I said, it is rare.

I have a mate who does it in the arvo after he gets back from work instead of having a few beers.
He is on a large amount of money a year and works very hard, maybe one of the hardest workers I know.

Although it may be a help in most cases it isn't really the drug that makes a person a deads***, it's the person themselves.

Don't associate with drug addicts then. simple.

OP is indeed emo.

I have a mate who does it in the arvo after he gets back from work instead of having a few beers.
He is on a large amount of money a year and works very hard, maybe one of the hardest workers I know.

Although it may be a help in most cases it isn't really the drug that makes a person a deads***, it's the person themselves.

I think it's like alcohol, as long as you're sensible and use it wisely & in moderation then ok. Just those dumb potheads that make it their whole life who flush their life away, same with alcoholics who make booze their whole life. That is just my opinion though, I've never smoked weed.

I had a mate that was an alco and a pot head, needless to say I haven't seen him for quite a while.

Burn One Down

Written by: Ben Harper

let us burn one
from end to end
and pass it over
to me my friend
burn it long, we'll burn it slow
to light me up before i go

if you don't like my fire
then don't come around
cause i'm gonna burn one down
yes i'm gonna burn one down

my choice is what i choose to do
and if i'm causing no harm
it shouldn't bother you
your choice is who you choose to be
and if your causin' no harm
then you're alright with me

if you don't like my fire
then don't come around
cause i'm gonna burn one down
yes i'm gonna burn one down

herb the gift from the earth
and what's from the earth
is of the greatest worth
so before you knock it try it first
you'll see it's a blessing
and not a curse

if you don't like my fire
then don't come around
cause i'm gonna burn one down
yes i'm gonna burn one down

see that's a good point, if you turn into a pothead you will start to like ben harper and that's just awful

that said i respect those who want to fire up a blunt and get stoned.

quick-e marts wouldn't be where they are today without you and i appreciate the convenience quick-e mart provides me.

Paranoia from weed stems from the fact that your thoughts are slowed down somewhat.
See, the things you think while 'normal' you quickly glance over and discard, whereas with marijuana you tend to dwell and reflect on these passing thoughts for longer.

e.g. Someone may be concerned about how they look as Laura has said, while smoking up these thoughts get reflected on and built upon... hence why you might be worried about it for seemingly ages, then get over it, then it comes back etc.

Just as you may change positions in how your sitting when 'normal' in order to make yourself feel better (a quick decision/solution and the problem gets pushed away quickly).

The basic part of the story is, whatever you're worried about while high on pot if you suffer those self-awareness types of 'paranoia' [and from talking to people, everyone has gotten it at some point] is a great insight into your insecurities (Sorry, but it's true).

As for the original question, I don't give a toss if you want to do it or not, do it in front of me, couldn't care less.
Only time I would care is if it was done in my car [whereby smell would linger etc.] or INSIDE my house without my permission.

Which hasn't and never would happen so meh.

As everyone else said, if you don't like it - move.

a friend my mine died from a marijuana overdose

ERRR f***OFF MAN THAT CANT HAPPENNNNNNNN



lol. The two people that fell for it after he wrote in the very same post that he was trolling... oh my

bahaha qgl'ers strike again

hot tip to Robmanz: if you want to get along with these people, don't do anything good with your life.

lol Dopefish.
New sig ftw :)

Also welcome to QGL Rob. Just flame a few people and you'll fit in fine :D

nothing wrong with a bit of reefer

same as everything
moderation is the key

for me, pot has a built in moderator, if i smoke too much, i start going to a bad place

so i stop

Although it may be a help in most cases it isn't really the drug that makes a person a deads***, it's the person themselves.

I concur!

I know many people with great jobs, lives, families and physical fitness that smoke weed... they seem pretty alright and I don't begrudge them for doing so, but that said they probably just smoke here and there to unwind and relax.
It's when you start having bongs for breakfast that you know there's a real problem.

what s***s me about pot smokers is that once they are nicely toasted they jump to this 'global moral highground' that can only be attained by potheds, greenies & vegans. then they'll wax lyrical about how 'the man' is destroying our futures with cfc's, heavy metals, greenhouse gases, ozone depletion, or another buzzworded prophecy of doom. but come the next day all that's happened is all your chocolate is gone.

I love that anti-drugs commercial on tv, "get it to dan! get it to dan! get it to dan!"

Ever wanted proof drugs f*** your brain ... Then the subject to this thread is all the proof you will ever need.

Cannabis is alright in moderation... it's just that the large majority of smokers abuse it. I was one of these people, that *used* to smoke from the moment I woke up, till I went to sleep.

Mentally it messes me up too much, but the main gripe I have is lung damage. People can choose what they want to do to their own body. I don't smoke anymore, but I accept other peoples choices.

marijuana killed my father... and raped my mother

Thats an unfair call though whitewolf, she didn't have to spend that much on it.
M O D E R A T I O N!

One word: ADDICTION.

DIFFERENT ppl respond to DIFFERENT chemical substances (including "drugs" SUCH AS weed) in DIFFERENT ways. (Personality - obviously - plays a big part. There have definetely been times when I've wanted to give it a go, just to see what it does to my state of mind, etc, but never would because I know that I have the personality that is likely to become addicted if not careful).

Enough said.

You have 2 legs right? If so and if your in their house then leave.
If you choose to still expose yourself to it, it is your own fault.

Get over this self important urge you have and realise other people have made other choices to you in their lifestyles.

If it's your house then you set the rules it's as simple as that.

Agreed.

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one of my friends is a giant stoner and these days i find it really toubleing to hang out with him. He just totally cant make up his mind about anything its like he makes a decision on something then comepletly forgets the decision he makes so he goes to evalutes the situation again but adds in some little insight to the mix and comes out with a completly different answer, all in the space of like 2 - 3 mins.

hot tip to Robmanz: if you want to get along with these people, don't do anything good with your life.

I so dispise that attitude, or an attitude that is close to it :/ .

'If you want to soar with the eagles, then you have to ditch your mouse friends' Or somethen like that.
I quit a job because that was the attitude. ASIF ditch your friends because you belive they are holding you back, I mean what kind of friend would that be.

If you let them hold you back, you're a f***head. I have plenty of friends who take a variety of drugs... does that mean they're hurting my body or ruining my life? f*** no it doesn't. I smoke up every now and then, probably once a month or less, I don't see how it has any effect on my work, uni or social life. I also know a dude that deals, smokes every single day and works a fulltime job labouring, getting up at 4am every morning. If weed f***s people up that much, they were probably deads***s anyway.

If weed f***s people up that much, they were probably deads***s anyway.

Get your hand off it.

NEIN!

ASIF ditch your friends because you belive they are holding you back, I mean what kind of friend would that be.

asif waste my life hanging round deads*** stoners. I've flicked dopehead friends before and would do it again in an instant.

and the cool part about ditching loser stoner friends is that they either don't notice you no longer call them and they are too stoned to call you, win win!

Yeh lawl I ditched most of my friends from highschool cause they were all deads*** stoners.

I so dispise that attitude, or an attitude that is close to it :/ .

'If you want to soar with the eagles, then you have to ditch your mouse friends' Or somethen like that.
I quit a job because that was the attitude. ASIF ditch your friends because you belive they are holding you back, I mean what kind of friend would that be.

Completely agree with your comment Tollazor.

Mind you though, I've never been in the predicament of having a friend who is a *hardcore* stoner...and although I would *love* to say I would always be there for them, I don't really know if that is possible. Sometimes there is only so much you can do...
I guess you could still be friends with them, but I'm certain that it wouldn't be an easy relationship to maintain. And you can only be *so* responsible for another individual (friend or otherwise) before you might feel the need to let things go...
Everyone makes their own choices in life. An addicts mind is obviously different to a non-addicts mind, but ultimately, everyone has the ability to make their own decisions, and I guess if their choices *significantly* begin to infringe on you and your life...
Well, that's my two cents.

if you're going to let someone else's choice to destroy their mind hold you back, because you "value their friendship too much" then you deserve everything you no doubt have coming to you.


last edited by infi at 16:26:24 16/Jan/06

Pot smells and tastes like complete ass but I've got nothing against people smoking the stuff.

So, how did you make that comparison? No, wait … don’t tell us.

all my friends who used dope turned into deads***s - all of them. i never saw someone who could use the stuff in moderation and not turn into a deads***.

speaking from personal experience i would recommend never starting on the s***

I’ve known a bunch of people who have been hardcore aussie bongers and most of them haven’t escaped the deads*** syndrome. The unlucky ones had a psychotic episode and are simply f***ed up for life.

o although there is way less chance of getting cancer through weed (obviously cause even the biggest pothead can't outsmoke an aussie smoker), there is still the chance, so really it 'can' kill.

You pot smoking friends must all be emo pussies. One of my friends (who I named “Delusional Man” in the share housing experience thread) would wake up at the crack of 2 everyday and consume copious amounts of pot. He would billy up every 15-20 minutes or so and would pack 2-4 cones each time. At parties “Delusional Man” and all of his friends would sit in one enclosed room and pass around half dozen bongs to each other. There they would sit solving the worlds problems, exploring each others delusions.

what i wanna know is - how do hardcore stoners pay for it all if they are unemployed (or in low-paying jobs) and scatterbrained? crime i guess

They buy say $400 worth, Take $200 of it for themselves, then sell the rest to noobs for $400 and the cycle goes on.

friendship is about helping one another, if your friends can't be helped, then ditch them. what kind of friend are you? a logical one that's not going to waste away for the sake of pleasing others that most likely shouldn't be pleased. it's like getting out of a bad marriage.

example, if all your friends are terrorists and you suddenly realise how wrong it is, but know that they are so extreme they'll never change, would you sit around with them just before they go suicide bomb something or would you leave and go do something else?

what r_mazing said. It is increadibly easy to buy and sell weed for much profit. Problem with it is, that the money is really good and discourages you from earning money in other more legal ways, probably eventuating in getting busted. Dont do it kids.

if you're going to let someone else's choice to destroy their mind hold you back

Why should their choices hold you back. It is quite easy to be freinds with someone and not have their decisions hold you back. It's not like their smoking is going to force you to not work or do anything, that is your choice.

Robmanz would u be so offended if they offered u a beer ?
u have the problem mate , is it that hard to say no.
life is full of drugs coffee,beer,weed,etc. try and think of some one u know that doesnt have some type of drug.

we all have our vices


mine is hookers

I "dropped" a friend when they started asking to borrow money from me for drugs, and also to get their gear out of hock (which they had done to get money for drugs). Its up to people what they want to do with their lives, and as long as they don't do it around me, i have no problems.

we all have our vices


mine is hookers

haha, lmao.

sad...very sad.

Agent 99, Marijuana isn't addictive fullstop, it contains no addictive chemical in it where as all your opiate based drugs do and they cause addiction but also physical dependence in that if you stop taking an opiate based drug after using it heavily it can kill you.

Hey I occasionally smoke with my best friend, we might do it once every few months and we leave it at that. I know I'd much rather smoke up and have a laugh then get drunk and wake up feeling like s***.
THC is a psychoactive drug, heavy use will or can sometimes cause paranoia OR a mental illness may pop up because of it, however it is known with alot of more intense psychoactives that if you have a predisposition to a mental illness which may run in the family, you should not do it, period. If you take a more intense psychoactive like LSD-25 or shrooms etc and you have an underlying mental illness it can and most probably will showup during the trip but if it does be sure that it would have popped up anyway sometime during your life.

Now america is really starting up their medical marijuana program we might see some more study done on the drug. I just wish they would allow medical research to be performed on drugs like LSD-25, but because it's in the highest controlled substance bracket we will never see that and it sucks because people like Timothy leary had great sucess using it in therapy before it was criminalized.

I know alot of people who are "potheads" and they are lazy f***s, but guess what they were lazy f***s before that too. I can say to myself hey I'm gonna get ripped this weekend just for something diffrent, but at the sametime I can say hey that was fun, but it's not something I wanna do all the time. You know why i can do this? because thc ain't addictive, it's a fact.
If anyone wants to dispute this, goto www.erowid.org and read up on some medical journals.

Psychoactive drugs are great, if they are used in respect, don't take them to "get f***ed up". Although weed is an exception to this but it's psychoactive effects are not all that great anyway.

Also I'd like to reccomend anyone interested in smart drug use that they read PiHKAL and TiKHAL by Ann and Alexander Shulgin, Alexander shulgin is a chemist who has tried pretty much every drug you can think of, he even invented alot of RC's he makes them himself and tries them and documents the chemical structure, how it was made and then his trip journals on varying dosages.
Also take a look at LSD: My Problem Child by Albert Hoffman, he turns 100 soon and he will be having a large convention where he will take about LSD.

If you don't like drugs, don't take them.
If you can't be a responsible drug user, don't take them.
If you mainly take drugs to get f***ed up, don't take them.

This thread really doesn't need to go on any longer, everyone has a friend who reckons their life is f***ed because of marijuana, well it's not the drugs fault you kept buying it just to get f***ed up everyday.

Agent 99, Marijuana isn't addictive fullstop

well, thats not entirely true
mj isnt physically addictive
it sure is mentally addictive!

That means nothing though, you can just walk away and never touch marijuana again with no second thought. Because you have no withdrawl symptoms like you have with nicotine etc.

Wow Spoon, I'm impressed.

I'll have to read up more on this - I'm curious now. Thanks for the info also. I'll have to confirm the info for myself though of course (I don't really know my pharmacology).

er, i dunno about that
my mind is pretty powerful

Was going to edit my last post but couldn't be bothered.

I know I'd much rather smoke up and have a laugh then get drunk and wake up feeling like s***.

Was just going to say (in response to this comment) that I don't really see a need to do either. I've never been drunk (maybe a little tipsy but that's all). And I don't see your reasoning as being a reason for having a smoke up every now and then. But anyway.

I guess I've always been a little curious about the effects of drugs (at least some of the illegal ones like marijuana) on the mind and brain. Still, I don't think I'd ever try it though, not only because of possible direct side-effects, but because I mostly don't like the idea of not being completely in control of my actions (which I feel I wouldn't be if I was on a drug like marijuana).

You're always in control on marijuana. You can't sit there and tell me this s*** if you've never done it ok.
I use marijuana as a way to work through some stuff I've been dwelling on, after every time I use a drug I can safely say I've made an improvement to my life.
For instance, if you hit ego-death on a drug like shrooms or acid your whole ego as it were ceases to exist, you do die in a mental way and this can scare alot of first time users of psychoactive drugs if they do encounter an ego-death, they fight it and spend 8 hours in the fetal position sobbing. If you do let go it take s your mind to a new place where you can change things about yourself, this is where Tim Leary had alot of succesful work with alchoholics and people with bad anxiety and anti-social behaviour.

You're always gonna have drug users who take drugs just to get high, for no reason other than they enjoy getting f***ed up.
If you don't want to do drugs than cool, don't do them and if you have friends who you know will not be responsible with them than stop them.

You see all these ads where timmy says hes invincible and blows his head off with a shotgun, sure thing, it scares people away from trying them and like you said yourself you'd be worried you wouldn't have self control. You should never take intense drugs in a bad setting because it will lead to a bad trip, always have someone who is experienced and sober at the time to sit for you so that if something does come up they can calm you down or take your mind off it.

You're always in control on marijuana. You can't sit there and tell me this s*** if you've never done it ok.
I use marijuana as a way to work through some stuff I've been dwelling on, after every time I use a drug I can safely say I've made an improvement to my life.

Spoon -

Each to their own.

I wasn't trying to tell u anything (apologies if it came across that way).

I've never done "drugs" (illegal sense) but it is something I've always been curious about. The info you've given has been interesting. All I'm saying is that it's something I would have to do my own research on though if I were to ever try anything, and that the *possibility* of not having full self-awareness or control (everyones brain and mind is different) is something I have concerns about. That is all.



last edited by Agent 99 at 18:46:58 16/Jan/06

getting drunk is always great and as for not being in control of your actions, you take common sense precautions like not driving a car, and not swimming in rough seas near jagged rocks

i tried pot a couple of times, can't say I particularly liked the effect it had on me

getting drunk is always great

Fair enough. Each to their own.

and as for not being in control of your actions, you take common sense precautions like not driving a car, and not swimming in rough seas near jagged rocks

My issues I suppose are with awareness, sensory deprivation, and whatnot. Indirect consequences - not being able to properly make decisions, plan actions, etc.

I'm not going to go on about it on here though - if you really want to talk this out with me, PM me.

plz fix spelling error in the subject or this thread dies painfully

if you really want to talk this out with me, PM me.

done and done.

getting drunk is always great

Actually I'll qualify that. I do it seldom enough (maybe even in the order of twice a year) that it's always exactly when I want to do it, and no more, not simply because it's the weekend for instance.

You're always in control on marijuana.

It alters your perception, reaction time etc. Those two are enough right there against your quote.

Yes, you have control in some respects, but there is no way you have complete normal functioning to the point where you shouldn't be driving a car etc.

You guys must have weird issues while on drugs, my reaction time might not be great but I don't put myself in the position where that can effect me.

Reaction time isn't a weird issue...
And your reaction time is a derivitive of perception.

Not putting yourself in a situation (e.g. driving a car) where that can effect you is alright, all I'm saying is you don't have full control.

I think now, when you mentioned control you you meant in the sense of not becoming super violent/suddenly deciding trying to cross a busy highway mid-afternoon is a fantastic idea as 'might' happen on alcohol etc.

Then you're right.

last edited by Loki at 19:32:17 16/Jan/06

That's right, you know what I mean.
I think I summed it up quite well further up in one of my posts though.
I don't think anyone could argue that.

I wonder if it is possible to break the ego barrier without drugs? probably through hardcore meditation or something.

Yeah it can be done through very hardcore meditation. I'm talking monks and shamans.

Yer thats what I was thinking.
I think they are called Masters..

You'd be suprised on the amount of shamanistic cultures who use mescaline/shrooms/ayahuasca and various other psychadelics to achieve a connection to another world. There is a church in america (The Native American Church) which uses Mescaline from peyote/san pedro cactus I believe once you join this church you are allowed to ingest it where as it's illegal to extract mescaline from but you can still grow it as a norm.
The problem with growing the cactus to get mescaline from is that as a baseline a 5yr old plant will only have a mild amount of mescaline in it. So obviously you can pay a s***load for say a 40yr old plant which will send you to the moon and back.

anyway needless to say the church has quite a few people in it :)

Also as a funny fact, the nazi's used mescaline in experiements at the nazi camp Dachu.

I wonder if it is possible to break the ego barrier without drugs? probably through hardcore meditation or something.

I was talking to a guy (in his 50's) who is heavily into meditation. His descriptions of some meditation sessions sounded a lot like my LSD experience. It was really interesting talking to him about it. He was telling me about how the ego was the cause of all of our problems (stress, anger, etc) and how if he rose above it he'd have amazingly complex thoughts that couldn't be translated to words, ala my acid trip (crude explanation, sorry). I'm not entirely sure on the specifics but he gave me some info on it which my mum has atm.

It's fun expanding the mind and all, but nothing beats a good opiate

ps mj is sucky

I bought a very large San Pedro for $95 last year. Most large nurseries have plenty of good ones for $30 - $100... usually locked up in a cabinet out back :)

Oh damn CHUB, jump on msn so I can find out where you bought yours and other stuff.

nazi doctors invented ecstacy

edit: ok, i stand corrected, just german doctors, i was sure i read somewhere it was used on lucky jews in ww2

last edited by Spook at 22:09:01 16/Jan/06

No they didn't. It was patented in 1912, by germans but not nazis fyi.

I think now, when you mentioned control you you meant in the sense of not becoming super violent/suddenly deciding trying to cross a busy highway mid-afternoon is a fantastic idea as 'might' happen on alcohol etc.

Then you're right.

I dunno, I've gone into uncontrollable laughter a number of times :P Sometimes when I really didn't want to laugh.

And spoon, you sound very into your psychedelics. Have you ever had a bad experiences on them? I have a really cool documentary called Hoffman's potion, you should check it out if you haven't seen it already.

I don't think the therapy of alcoholics with LSD-25 actually worked? Seemed more like lets give these guys a hit of acid, lock them up, and hope it works? Correct me if I'm wrong. And I think Timothy Leary complained the therapy was not conducted as he invisaged?

weed sucks anyway, such a horrible feeling, i get these f***ed up thoughts of how i look, and images flash in my head. And i can feel everything in my body, like it almost feels like i can feel the blood in my arms being pumped through. bleh.

Maybe you should take the pot out of the plastic bag before you smoke it.

imagine what the world would be like if everyone fired up bongs before work.

there wouldn't be any war, but we probably wouldn't have electricity or sewerage either.

Dominos would be like Microsoft

And this thread would go on forever.







Wait...

hang on agent 99 is using sarcasm...

Woah..... wait.... just woah.... hold on.... just.... sarcasm?.... really man!?

I hate it when that happens man.

I don't think the therapy of alcoholics with LSD-25 actually worked? Seemed more like lets give these guys a hit of acid, lock them up, and hope it works? Correct me if I'm wrong. And I think Timothy Leary complained the therapy was not conducted as he invisaged?

At the end of my trip I became very self judging, shaming myself over things that weren't right in my life. I can definately see how LSD could be used to treat alcoholism or perhaps any addiction that you knew yourself was detrimental.

I believe the success of alcoholism treatment with LSD was ~50%, whereas AA isn't even close with a percentage in the single figures?

Is LSD the geeks wonder drug?

Screws me ive never tried anything too percievably "hard"

wired article over here

Interesting article.

As for evolution, we can only evole once society accepts a change, and I can't see that happening, so as a result, you get people evolving and complaining about the state of the world. If that is even evolution. It's hard for our world to evolve as one when we can't even all get along, let alone move forward to a new area of knowledge and understanding.

I dunno, just seems like a fantasy, a nice dream if you will.