I haven't noticed a storm coming, its definately not raining, but is MSN down ?

down here, nother 4 guys on lan also down

Isnt it Telstra that normally goes down in storms? Because "one of the lines underwater must of been cut" ?

MSN is down for me too...

Its scheduled maintenance.

last edited by Triamks at 16:07:19 30/Oct/04

YES IT'S DOWN MSN SENT OUT A MESSAGE FOR ME AT 2:45 SAYING IT WAS GOING DOWN AT 3:00.

Yes they did.

ITS DOWN MAENZ

down down down

its working fine.

Brace yourselves for the screams of a million teeny boppers and cs playas committing suicide cause MSNs down...

wonder when it will be back on?

I just signed in. But nobody else is online.

mine just came online!

w00t~! working again!
I hope you get aids hunter

yea your dad'll prolly giv it to him

Brace yourselves for the screams of a million teeny boppers and cs playas committing suicide cause MSNs down...

Imagine a service that's easy to use - has a simple address that you rarely forget - your e-mail address rather than a complicated series of numbers which are assigned based on the order that you joined, rather than a logical geographical assignment (phone numbers, so don't try that one on me).

Not only that, you can check your e-mail with it and it's popularised by the largest free e-mail service on the web. Therefore LOTS OF PEOPLE USE IT.

Imagine a service that's easy to use - has a simple address that you rarely forget - your e-mail address rather than a complicated series of numbers which are assigned based on the order that you joined, rather than a logical geographical assignment (phone numbers, so don't try that one on me).

Not only that, you can check your e-mail with it and it's popularised by the largest free e-mail service on the web. Therefore LOTS OF PEOPLE USE IT.

Ah yes but national socialism was followed by many, but that does not necessarily mean it was a good idea...

Popularity is rarely a good indicator of quality... It may have some redeeming features but does that mean it is the ideal solution? No.

Besides, what does this have to do with the fact that teeny boppers and cs players infest msn???

But we're hardly talking about anything as vast and far-reaching as a political affiliation. We're talking about a web messenger. Ultimately the best web messenger is the one that allows you to talk to the most people with the most ease. MSN does this, case closed.

(For the record I have an ICQ, MSN and AIM account all running via Trillian)

Ah yes but national socialism was followed by many, but that does not necessarily mean it was a good idea...

doesnt mean it was a bad idea either....just different.

Popularity is rarely a good indicator of quality... It may have some redeeming features but does that mean it is the ideal solution? No.

According to you
There will never be an ideal solution, people have different opinions on everything.

so you're telling me you don't use MSN because CS players use it? wtf? You know you can set it up so you don't get any email at all from anyone not on your list, and you can even set it up so only people on your allow list can see your status and send you messages right? The only thing that's bad with MSN are the homosexual names some of you have! But with a plugin (msn plus) or even a 3rd party program like trillian or miranda, you can just rename them, or even view by email.

Popularity is rarely a good indicator of quality... It may have some redeeming features but does that mean it is the ideal solution? No.

There has to be SOMETHING good about it if however many thousands of people are usin it. Why don't you list some/all of the things about it you don't like. Don't just say "omg cs players use it"

Personally I use both icq and msn.

Ultimately the best web messenger is the one that allows you to talk to the most people with the most ease. MSN does this, case closed.

actually doesn't msn have a rather low limit to the number of people you can have on your list? Most likely so that people don't just fill up the msn store house with 10000000 dummy contacts just to try & be smart. (by low I mean relative to other IM's such as icq)

last edited by WhoopAss at 23:13:15 30/Oct/04

Popularity is rarely a good indicator of quality... It may have some redeeming features but does that mean it is the ideal solution? No.

You are never going to find the ideal solution in any first generation product. Nobody designed, or even really engineered these products, they where just created out of demand.

However because IM doesn’t have a use by date, and it doesn’t break because some part fell out of it, it is hard to generate need to upgrade to a second generation product. People just don’t need to change from something that pretty much works for them.

I mean look at how hard it would be to change E-Mail to something that isn’t spammer friendly by default. Something that (for the most part) is controlled by computer savvy people, and not morons.

Besides, what does this have to do with the fact that teeny boppers and cs players infest msn???

Actually, at Uni there are only three IM clients that any body uses:

1: MSN; this is really the place to find student cohort members. Although most people just idle on there though.

2: iChat; a lot of the research staff and lecturers are mac lovers.

3: Internal ones that use Elvin :(

Most people that use MSN are newer to the net. If they had exposure to other networks they may complain more about MSN.

The main things I don't like about it is, and it may just be that i don't know how to setup the client properly, but anyway:

1. You can't rename your contacts.

2. It doesn't timestamp when a message arrives

3. It doesn't send your message when you are replying to someone who has gone offline

4. The maximum message size is rather short.

5. There's something that bugs me about the use of URLs within messages, but i can't remember what it is.

^ I use trillian, has both ICQ and MSN! :D
I can rename my MSN contacts...i have chat logs of basically every conversation i have. And i have date/time stamps.
Good thing about my logs, is i can delete people, but if they msg me like 1 year later i still know who they are because the last few lines of the log comes up! :D
Max msg size is s***, and the offline msg thing s***s me too :(

yeah but trillian != msn. I'm assuming people are talking about msn the program itself, not the service to which it connects.

1. You can't rename your contacts.

2. It doesn't timestamp when a message arrives

3. It doesn't send your message when you are replying to someone who has gone offline

4. The maximum message size is rather short.

5. There's something that bugs me about the use of URLs within messages, but i can't remember what it is.

1. MSNPlus! Does this

2. Stuffplug (a plugin for MSNPlus! does this too

3. True, but your hotmail account is integrated into MSN and that allows you to -- Stuffplug also allows you to open hotmail in your default client when clicking the email link

4. MSNPlus! Enlarges this to outrageous proportions

5. Think about it and get back to us.

And to think I was just trolling with the MSN is down thread that always pops up whenever msn goes down for 2mins. Bit like the storm coming thread that always happens.

msn plus is gay tho installs all this random crap you dont want

msn plus is gay tho installs all this random crap you dont want

If you mean spyware, there's a prompt where you can opt out of installing it.

f***ing no s*** people newer to the internet use MSN. Its easy, download and install - done.
I use it because all my mates use it, cause they arent nerds.

f***ing no s*** people newer to the internet use MSN. Its easy, download and install - done.
I use it because all my mates use it, cause they arent nerds.

The only difference between MSN's install process and ICQ's install process is obtaining a UIN, but people without a passport account need to signup anyway (and the procedure is slightly more involved).

The only difference between MSN's install process and ICQ's install process is obtaining a UIN, but people without a passport account need to signup anyway (and the procedure is slightly more involved).

So, what you just said is essentially: “MSN and ICQ’s install process is exactly the same … but different”.

Actually there are bigger problems with ICQ, the major one is the fact that the UID isn’t human readable (well not easily). Humans don’t remember collections of numbers real well. That is what computers do; which is of course all the UID is … the primary key in ICQ’s database.

MSN (and other IM clients) use a much more successful model of letting humans deal with humans in a much more natural way. E-Mail is rapidly becoming the pervasive addressing tool of the internet, let’s use it.

f***ing no s*** people newer to the internet use MSN. Its easy, download and install - done.
I use it because all my mates use it, cause they arent nerds.

Before going to uni I never used IM clients. All of my geek friends where either on IRC or I just E-Mailed them. Now, almost everybody I need to talk to is on MSN … and some of the people on there are amazingly nerdy.

I don’t think your linking of nerds to IM clients is correct :)

So, what you just said is essentially: “MSN and ICQ’s install process is exactly the same … but different”.

No, what I essentially said was "The only difference between MSN and ICQ's install process is the UIN" (which happens to be a very quick process.

Comprehend.

not really, it wasn't hard for me to remember my icq number. 44910246 how hard is that? It's piss easy. I guess that's just me though. (yes that really is my icq number). Given that an email might be easier to remember for some people, but I've told people my email before and next day they'll say they forgot what it was. So email/uin is easy/hard to remember, just depends on who you are which one you find easier to remember I guess.

So, what you just said is essentially: “MSN and ICQ’s install process is exactly the same … but different”.

I remember having to sign up for icq and msn, I can tell you icq whas a metric f***load easier to get a UIN than msn was to get a passport. (back then it wasn't a passport, it was just a hotmail address). I recently signed up for another hotmail address and wholy f***s*** batman it was such a long and complicated process compared to how I remember it. Maybe my memory is just s***, but I swear it wasn't that complicated a few years ago. (I don't know what icq's process is now though, it could be even worse)

The biggest problem with ICQ is that its a piece of dogs***. The protocol is flawed and easily exploitable and the client is badly written and leaks memory like a sieve.

not really, it wasn't hard for me to remember my icq number. 44910246 how hard is that? It's piss easy. I guess that's just me though. (yes that really is my icq number). Given that an email might be easier to remember for some people, but I've told people my email before and next day they'll say they forgot what it was. So email/uin is easy/hard to remember, just depends on who you are which one you find easier to remember I guess.

yes really ... for the same reason they invented DNS as people have problems relating to 203.17.15.131 as their community.

Imagine how much easier (in your world) if everybody and everything was allocated UID’s, I mean man … imagine if your ISP was 77458377845, and you where customer 23345 of that isp. Your email address could be 233745@77458377845 … WOW that is so easy to understand, we should lobby to try and get it changed!

If you want to argue about this, it won't take any real effort to pull up documented peer reviewed research that talk about it. In fact the only reason why I didn’t go straight to ACM and start downloading papers is that I am due to go to work and mark exams all day.

I remember having to sign up for icq and msn, I can tell you icq whas a metric f***load easier to get a UIN than msn was to get a passport. (back then it wasn't a passport, it was just a hotmail address). I recently signed up for another hotmail address and wholy f***s*** batman it was such a long and complicated process compared to how I remember it. Maybe my memory is just s***, but I swear it wasn't that complicated a few years ago. (I don't know what icq's process is now though, it could be even worse)

I just made a hotmail passport in all of a minute and a half. The two most complicated tasks was:

A: Choosing a non gay address
B: Reading the security image.

I fail to see long and complicated.