Hi Guys,

If you didn't know, I thought I would share the love that our rippoff government has finally decided to reneg on its massively corrupted fines system

The Infringements Court (formerly Perin Court) has a aministy back on again where they remove all their default fees, warrant costs and all the extra bulls*** they tack onto the end of them to make huge sums of profit...

e.g I had $7100 worth of fines (due to parking, speeding and public transport fines when i was younger) and with the amnesty on I got it down to $2900 while its not the actual cost of the fines cause there are only 6 in total its much better then 7100$ showes how corrupt and out of control the system is here in Vic and its widely known this is a huge source of revenue and how out of control it actually is)

Ne ways if you live in VIC get onto it guys this is a chance to save money big time !! cause nearly everyone is VIC has fines cause thats the way it rolls down here.

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how the f*** do you rack up 7100 in fines? did you run over a person?

how the f*** do you rack up 7100 in fines? did you run over a person?

hahaha that person mustn't have much of a networth

how the f*** do you rack up 7100 in fines? did you run over a traffic cop/court magistrate?

its actually really easy to do
a few $500 fines here and there, you don't pay them, they go to a debt recovery place and they take on a few hundred - to a few thousand, then you leave them a while etc

most I ever had was about $5k in fines though, that was some 8 license suspensions during my miss spent youth though, so yeah $7k seems a bit steep for basic traffic s***

Wow sucks to be retarded enough to get that many fines.

cause nearly everyone is VIC has fines cause thats the way it rolls down here.

Really?
I don't. And you know why not?

Because I don't break the fscking law*!


* = Or when I do, I don't get caught - hah, take that judicial system!

its actually really easy to do

It's even easier to avoid fines - just stop breaking the law.

8 licence suspensions?

Stop driving.

It's even easier to avoid fines - just stop breaking the law.

BAM!

BAM!

thats the sound he hears every time he backs into a fence.

You mean people actually let something as stupid as a parking ticket go to a debt collection agency and register a default on their credit history? You've got to be f***ing kidding me.

BAM!

thats the sound he hears every time he backs into a fence.

it works so well with my avatar i'm going to keep doing it.

You know whats funny none of you are looking outside the box at how ridiculous some of the rules are.

For example speeding, when is speeding speeding, is the signposted limited arbitrarily imposed and thought of by someone in some ivory tower 50 miles away?

Or is it by and large the conditions around you and an awareness of what is around and could be around you?

For example speeding, when is speeding speeding, is the signposted limited arbitrarily imposed and thought of by someone in some ivory tower 50 miles away?

Nope, they're imposed by the traffic engineers who designed the roads and the safety mechanisms on the road to ensure a safe passage for road users.

Not politicians.

my credit is perfect and I've let all my fines go to SPER
they're just revenue raising, I might as well make them wait a bit


normally what I do is fill in the bit on the back of the fine that says I want to take it to court, this involves a f*** tonne of paper work for everyone involved and I just never show up
30 days later they send you a letter saying you lost by default so pay up the original fine

I get some satisfaction out of knowing I wasted a f***ing lot of some government c***s time and probably money

I was guna say I havent had a fine in ages but I got one the other day driving pavenoob to get some oil, he said "I'd laugh if there was cops down here" and it turns out there was

some wanker cop tried to tell me he caught me doing 100km/hr in a 70 zone, I asked for his radar readout and he said he visually estimated my speed, so I said rad I'll see you in court
this is one court appearance I actually intend to show up to, because no way in f*** was I doing 100km/hr

normally what I do is fill in the bit on the back of the fine that says I want to take it to court, this involves a f*** tonne of paper work for everyone involved and I just never show up
30 days later they send you a letter saying you lost by default so pay up the original fine

I get some satisfaction out of knowing I wasted a f***ing lot of some government c***s time and probably money

Wow... you do all of that because you were the one in the wrong in the first place? You have some real issues dude.

so you're a dick on the forums and in real life?

what a surprise.

actually teq is not a dick he is a man who has the balls to stand up, albeit he has done some stupid things but which f***en person in this forum has been so f***ing perfect they never done anything wrong in their life?

Common who claims to be f***ing god here, get off your f***ing totem pole.

it's 'come on'.

yay, corrupts the most retarded in this thread, im hoping he can win back the other thread now.

$5 says he can't

actually teq is not a dick he is a man who has the balls to stand up,

Stand up for what? His right to drive recklessly and endanger other peoples lives? His right to shirk responsibility for his own illegal actions?

I get some satisfaction out of knowing I wasted a f***ing lot of some government c***s time and probably money

You understand where government money comes from, right?

your pocket, and mine

so, please stop doing that

actually teq is not a dick he is a man who has the balls to stand up, albeit he has done some stupid things but which f***en person in this forum has been so f***ing perfect they never done anything wrong in their life?

So knowingly breaking the law, then intentionally causing public funds and time to be wasted, and doing this repeatedly, and thinking you still deserve the same rights as other people, is a good thing?

I'm hoping I missed the sarcasm.

Actually billy the legal profession does this all the time its called filibustering.

Actually billy the legal profession does this all the time its called filibustering.

ah, the old argument, "other retards do it, so I should too"

It's best used when you've been caught cheating on a game server and you're trying to get unbanned. It's a great excuse!

Also, a one-second Google tells me Australian parliament has rules in place that effectively stop filibustering, so maybe you could find another strawman that is a little harder to burn to the ground

well as teq probably well knows... if you push a traffic fine to court & don't turn up you have to pay the original fine PLUS the court & admin costs... so it's not really wasting public funds.

Minxy I don't agree with driving recklessly but when is reckless reckless, is it when someone breaks the rules? Or is it when they exceed the conditions of the road and the surroounding environment?

You can't tell me some road engineer says 80 is only safe on a highway thats nearly complete with roadworks. That is utter f***ing crap more than likely the case is that a standard 80 is applied and no due thought is given to each area because its inefficient.

My Old $7100min fines is actually just 9 or 10 fines...

A few for speeding
A few for Parking
And the rest were when I was a young kid for not having am ticket on the trains ...

The total was about $1000 but then you add on all their fees etc and b4 you know it they lump you with $7100, my own fault but its widely known in Victoria how f***ed up our system is here. mainly because its controlled by local councils rather then the police.

Ill also add the only reason they were not paid was because at the time I was in the Navy and they couldn't find me ...suppose its my fault for having integrity and chasing it up ... :)

Either way the point was to hopefully make a few other save some cash ... Good luck with it .

my credit is perfect and I've let all my fines go to SPER

this costs you an additional $52 every time you do that.

Ne ways if you live in VIC get onto it guys this is a chance to save money big time !! cause nearly everyone is VIC has fines cause thats the way it rolls down here.

That amnesty thing is only one way to save money if you've been fined. There's been a tonne of times I've gotten away without being fined from things like parking, speeding, etc and 100% of the time it's because I read the signs and therefore don't break the rules by going outside the time I'm allowed to park or the speed limit I'm allowed to go. So moral of this story is the other way to save money is to not break the law.

Trog your one of those people that just cant see past the rulebook
People break rules all the time and it will continuously happen. That includes filibustering and your stupid reference to something written on a piece of paper it means nothing it still f***ing happens.

Minxy I don't agree with driving recklessly but when is reckless reckless, is it when someone breaks the rules? Or is it when they exceed the conditions of the road and the surroounding environment?

You can't tell me some road engineer says 80 is only safe on a highway thats nearly complete with roadworks. That is utter f***ing crap more than likely the case is that a standard 80 is applied and no due thought is given to each area because its inefficient.

so what

its not your decision to make - its the price you pay for living in a society. On roads, sometimes there are rules that are put in place that err on the side of caution in the interests of safety to others

People have demonstrated time and time again that they're not as good as they think they are at driving. People have demonstrated they're not prepared to follow even basic rules like "don't drink and drive" - I read the other day that in Australia, some utterly ridiculous number, like 30,000 people, are caught each year over the limit.

So who gives a flying f***ing f*** if there's a stretch of highway that you have to drive 80 on instead of 100 for ten minutes, even if you think you're such an awesome driver that you declare the conditions are safe?

The people that put those rules in place do so because they are responsible for other people's lives.

Wow sucks to be retarded enough to get that many fines.

This.

Trog your one of those people that just cant see past the rulebook
People break rules all the time and it will continuously happen. That includes filibustering and your stupid reference to something written on a piece of paper it means nothing it still f***ing happens.

see my above reply to your same silly comment. I'll write it again in simple words though:

just because other people do things that are wrong, doesn't make it ok for you to do things that are wrong

or, as you mother might've taught you:

If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?

well as teq probably well knows... if you push a traffic fine to court & don't turn up you have to pay the original fine PLUS the court & admin costs... so it's not really wasting public funds.

it's worth it for the $30 or so dollars it costs in court fees
I'm sure it cost them a lot more than $30 to have the cop off duty for a partial day and the time wasted preparing their case etc

it's a small win for me :)

as for everyone getting on their high horse about me wasting tax payer money, they take money that they shouldn't by revenue raising
flash for cash etc
you might say I deserve the fines for speeding, I might argue that they obtained the speeding fines illegaly (ALL THE f***ING TIME)

did you know that by law they must have the speed camera sign 200 meters in front of the flash for cash van, how many times have you ever seen the f***ing sign let alone seen it 200 meters in front?
it's usually behind a tree or something so they can catch more people

when I get caught doing illegal things by cops who are illegally catching me, the only way I can get a bit of satisfaction from the whole ordeal is to simply make it not worth their while fining me (or at least waste as much money as I was forced to fork out)

I seriously got caught by a cop with no speed measuring device doing 100km/hr
how the f*** can they seriously expect people to just wear fines from cops that have no way of actually proving their claim?
pretty sure you're all actually peons and I'm the one who is fighting for my rights

grow some f***ing balls you pansy mother f***ers

this costs you an additional $52 every time you do that.

yeah, hi. my name is teq - it's nice to meet you
I enjoy confrontation and long walks on the beach, also I don't mind fighting against a corrupt & broken system

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If we didn't break laws science wouldn't advance

hahaha

Either way the point was to hopefully make a few other save some cash ... Good luck with it .

Yep definitely worth the post dude, though I guess most people aren't going to save as much money as you are :)

Shouldn't this thread get typwned? It's "amnesty".

how is letting SPER register your fine and paying them an extra $52 possibly fighting the system?! you're giving them more money, that helps the system!

haha whatever dude, you keep fighting the good fight and we'll keep laughing the good laugh.

Hey Teq,
Went to court over the same thing and got the fine at least reduced (I partially admitted speeding i.e. cop said your doing 100 in 60, said yeah whatver, your writing the story). Cop's estimatation of your speed is to look for two points you passed and guess the time in between. Being that he said a speed means he guessed the distance between those two points as well. He used speed=distance/time and bam, his guess was 100/70. In court ask for the two markers, the distance between them and his estimated time.

My guy was so awesome that he worked out this figure on the spot in 30 seconds with no calculator. Later on in court it turned out his guess at the distance was 50% wrong i.e. it was 30m instead of his guessed 20m. He guessed 1 second over this distance = roughly 109. Said if his time est. was 50% out like the distance, then asked him to work it out in his head like he did on the day. Said he couldnt without the calc so I asked the judge to supply him one. He did, still coudln't work it out.

End result of reduced fine and reduced points, no loss of license. If I had a law man probably would have got off but paid a lot more in law fees.

You understand where government money comes from, right?
your pocket, and mine
so, please stop doing that

First thought I had too when reading that line, Just wasting your own tax money!

I highly doubt you're wasting 'some government c***s time' either. They call out your name and if your not there they move on. Total time spent is probably 5 minutes. It's not like you'd be the first one to ever skip out on court.

Hey trog what makes you think its wrong?

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

we'll keep laughing the good laugh.

yeah and let every change slip through your fingers while you're being a smug little man. =D

i agree with both points of view. sometimes i feel that you need to fight the system (R18 anyone?) but for things like teq is saying... cmon... i think you can put your effort into other things like not breaking the law...

Hey trog what makes you think its wrong?

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

philosopher-revolutionary checking in above.

maybe you and teq should start a justice league or something!

What they need to do is increase the fines. If you got charged $1000 for every KM/h you were over the speed limit, retards wouldn't speed. I've been caught speeding once. I sure as hell wouldn't have been speeding at $1000 per 1km/h.

yeah and let every change slip through your fingers while you're being a smug little man. =D

no comprende amigo. explain?

pinky: he ain't trolling dude. check out some of the older threads he's been active in (gun threads, etc).

Hahaha Corrupt. Sweet trolling, dude. All we care about is that if there's an aircraft and it falls in a forest while there are no treadmills around, will any trees hear it?

Thats pretty nutty pinky. But trees actually are alive, but i don't think they have ears.... Maybe they can pick up vibrations? Who knows but i know what your getting at you joker.

Hey trog what makes you think its wrong?

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

what do you mean? If you mean "breaking the rules", then here's how I rationalise my following-the-rules philisophy (I don't disagree with you that I am a goody-two-shoes when it comes to rules):

1) I believe that it makes sense to assume that the people that put the rules in place did so for a good reason. I accept that while those reasons might seem silly or stupid or pointless, they might be in possession of facts that I am not aware of, and thus they might have good reasons for implementing these rules that are not immediately apparent to me, who is just a bystander

2) I believe that, if there's no really excellent reason to NOT follow the rules - then why not just follow the rules anyway? You'll make everyone happy and you won't get in trouble. eg, speeding - there's really no advantage to driving 100 in an 80 zone for normal periods of driving time. You'll save minutes at best. Why bother?

HOWEVER, I firmly believe that if the rules are terrible and there are excellent reasons to not follow them, then action should be taken - although breaking the rules should probably be a last resort and the first goal should be to get bad rules changed.

I think teq's reasons are not excellent and that he just likes speeding and doesn't want to moderate his behavior, so he's concocted what appears to be a weird conspiracy theory to justify it. But I'm biased because I hate it when people waste taxpayer money thinking they're doing everyone a favour

yeah and let every change slip through your fingers while you're being a smug little man. =D

no comprende amigo. explain? pinky: he ain't trolling dude. check out some of the older threads he's been active in (gun threads, etc).

semi troll. im sure i had some sort of point.

Heh, sticking it to the man by paying extra fees on fines. That's a new one.

Actually billy the legal profession does this all the time its called filibustering.

You mean American Senators, right? It doesnt even happen in the Australian parliament. We have standing orders designed to protect against this exact thing.

Corrupt, you're the reason society is crumbling.

if I waste the cops day by having him come to court, thats a few hundred down the drain
not to mention the fact that the police have to prepare their case against me
sometimes they write back and say they've dropped the case and now consider it finalised because they have no evidence etc

I'm not worried about the fifty odd dollars extra it costs when it goes to sper, in the grand scheme of things its a pittance compared to the lawyers fees and what not

the sheer fact is if we let cops get away with illegal activities, even while they're catching people doing illegal things, it sets a terrible precident
when I have been caught fair and square, and I have a few times in my teenage years - I have always man'd up and admitted it, copped it on the chin
but when some arrogant wanker of a pig tries to book me with no evidence, you're damn right I'm going to throw up some stink

did you know that by law they must have the speed camera sign 200 meters in front of the flash for cash van, how many times have you ever seen the f***ing sign let alone seen it 200 meters in front?

FYI thats not the case in QLD anymore. They dont even have to be in a Marked Van.
Any car, any model, anywhere. Unmarked.

Thanks Anna!

You honestly don't think that they have structured fees to ensure that they - at minimum - cover costs of enforcement? Traffic infringement is a major earner.

They count on behaviour like yours as a revenue source, you are doing what they want matey. In no way do you inconvenience the Government.

In refusing to follow the rules, and then refusing to pay on time, you are voluntarily donating money to the Government. Now its your money, and obviously its yours to donate, save or spend as you wish, but personally I prefer not to pay more tax than my share.

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but when some arrogant wanker of a pig tries to book me with no evidence, you're damn right I'm going to throw up some stink

If I were wrongfully charged, I would think kicking up a stink would be defending yourself in court on matters of facts and/or law. Not convening a court for the sake wasting public monies.

That's just me, though. I could be wrong.

the problem there is that most people have no chance of getting off with their wrongful charges
if it comes down to your word vs. a corrupt cop, you have no chance

so I do what I can, when I can

no cop that has ever booked me would tell you that I failed the attitude test, I'm always quite respectful until I have established that they're going to be a cock to me no matter what I do or say
once a cop has it in for you, they don't care about the rules - their animal instincts kick in and they just want to see you suffer

pulling over an 18 year old kid for having a car that is "too loud" (without having the equipment to measure it as the law has set out) is bulls***, then proceeding to defect the rest of the car and or write out other fines just because they have you there and they can punish you a bit more, that's a true c*** act

^
What does that have to do with your voluntary Government donations?

even if I can't win, I'm still going to do whatever I can to make any kind of ripple I can

the problem there is that most people have no chance of getting off with their wrongful charges
if it comes down to your word vs. a corrupt cop, you have no chance

Buy a GPS and use it to track your speed; GPS data has been successfully used in court (can't remember if it was Australia though) to fight speeding charges

Once you've done that then you can start talking about corrupt cops breaking the law. Every single time I've been caught speeding, I was speeding and it was 100% my fault. I sure would like to be able to blame corrupt cops, but I can't :(

you can't even use a video recorder in court to get off the fine, you're completely f***ed when you go to court
my lawyer told me last week that even if he comes to court with me (at a cost of $3000 per day) there's no guarantee i'll get off the fine because it's basically a cops word vs. mine and paveways

cops get the benefit of the doubt, which is bulls*** because they don't get enough scrutiny when they f*** up
the slightest smell of police corruption should see the office immediately lose his or her job, be charged with perverting justice and every conviction they've ever had a hand in should be overturned

how can we trust them to police us if we can't trust them period?
if they actually had something to lose by fining innocent people they might think twice about doing it, but they get away with it scott free all the time

I'm still going to do whatever I can to make any kind of ripple I can

But you're not making any ripples at all.

LOL i never expected this to cause such a discussion ! I just hope someone saves some cash out of it ...

too those that go on about breaking the law etc . I know the rules are there and I'll admit most of the 10 I have are from when I was 18 to 20 (now in my 30's) but some of them and the system that supports them are a trap designed to create revenue...I cant be bothered going into it to back up my argument but it is a widely known that this is the way it is.. .... That's all I have to say about that.

Nehow, Pls if someone can get a win out of this amnisty I urge you to do so as they will find you and get their money after all they have sherrifs hunting you down for small petty fines ..... and on sheriffs (or however its spelt). did you know sheriff in VIC have the power now to break into your home (without a warrant) if they suspect you are not answering your door !!!! COPS don't even have that power (Guess the government really wants their money)

They recently brought in all these new laws all centered around getting money and fines. .... It all smells very fishy to me

pulling over an 18 year old kid for having a car that is "too loud" (without having the equipment to measure it as the law has set out) is bulls***, then proceeding to defect the rest of the car and or write out other fines just because they have you there and they can punish you a bit more, that's a true c*** act

So the cop pulls you over because the car is loud (but doesn't issue a fine for this, correct?), then finds legitimate reasons to give you fines? How is that being a c*** any more than an RBT pulling over a drink driver?

Making up a reason to pull a particular group of people (P platers) over is called profiling.
Profiling is not good.

the police actively profile when administering RDTs due to the cost of the test.

But you're not making any ripples at all.

I have a better chance of making ripples by trying to make them than by doing nothing.

So the cop pulls you over because the car is loud (but doesn't issue a fine for this, correct?)

incorrect, i was issued with a fine and fought it, won (because it wasn't tested at all, let alone properly)
but that doesn't stop them from writing out stupid fines like "no H pattern on your gear knob"

anyone who is going to argue that just because something is against the law means you should cop it on the chin if you're fined for that - you can go die in a fire
grow a f***ing spine and stand up for yourself for once, copping a $150 fine for not having a H-pattern on your gear knob is bulls***, by paying it you are just rolling over and taking it up the ass

I used to get regularly pulled over in my hoon car but as soon as I started driving a brand new 4x4 I got left alone
profiling is a terrible thing and it isn't limited to minorities

I have a better chance of making ripples by trying to make them than by doing nothing.

I have a better chance to fly by thinking happy thoughts than doing nothing - but its still 100% futile.

Sticking it to the man by allowing your fine to go to SPER is futile.

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cops word vs. mine and paveways

lol

Making up a reason to pull a particular group of people (P platers) over is called profiling.
Profiling is not good.

why? people that buy hoon cars are often hoons

therefore, it makes more sense to apply greater scrutiny to them, if they're frequently observed to be breaking the law

you think cops profile hoon cars because they regularly pull them over and then get to walk away without finding anything to fine them for?!

Rofl trog your one of those bend over and take it types. So when the government starts making new legislation that we must be happy and work 24/7 lets just bend over and agree with the rules, oh wait lets change the legislation? Wait on a minute thats not going to have much effect because legislation takes f***ing ages to change.

Catch 22

black people commit more crime, why dont we just bail up all black people and harass them everytime they go for a walk(or drive)?

Being black is not the same as buying a hotted up car.

One is an option, one is ... usually ... not.

does it make profiling any more right or just?

Rofl trog your one of those bend over and take it types. So when the government starts making new legislation that we must be happy and work 24/7 lets just bend over and agree with the rules, oh wait lets change the legislation? Wait on a minute thats not going to have much effect because legislation takes f***ing ages to change.

Catch 22

why don't you read what I wrote above in direct response to your question, and then comment on specifics, instead of just foaming and frothing at the mouth - I justified my position, and if you'd ever read anything else I've posted on this website you'd know that I'm strongly opposed to useless, rights-restricting government policy.

All you are crying about so far is that you think you should have some magic right to speed because.. well, you haven't even said why, but I assume it's because, like all terrible drivers, you think you're an awesome driver.

black people commit more crime, why dont we just bail up all black people and harass them everytime they go for a walk(or drive)?

strawman! this is a controversial issue and I don't think it's really relevant to what we're discussing

Corrupt - Not paying fines doesn't say "change the legislation" though. If you want legislation to change write to your local representative, and get a Queensland Parliament e-Petition going.

why bother they don't listen to the public anyways aka netcensorship aka kevin rudd. This couldn't be a truly more exemplified example of the government not working for the people.

strawman! this is a controversial issue and I don't think it's really relevant to what we're discussing

100% wrong

its apples and apples, no matter which way you look at profiling, it's still profiling
whether they're doing it because a hoon car is a hoon car or because a black person is black, it is against the law
they get away with it because the people that they are catching have no credibility once they're caught and try to argue their point

it doesn't make what they're doing right, it just makes them more likely to try and over reach their powers next time

the police actively profile when administering RDTs due to the cost of the test.

Yeah it's quite hard to get a RDT, I had to bait one of the officers into it.

I thought it would be interesting to give it a try... takes f***ing ages though (must have taken over 10 minutes I swear), so it pissed me off in the end.

I pass the RDT officers daily, they're stationed at Nundah.

100% wrong

its apples and apples, no matter which way you look at profiling, it's still profiling
whether they're doing it because a hoon car is a hoon car or because a black person is black, it is against the law

a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

racial profiling is a form of profiling and is illegal because it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race.

i don't think there is a law against profiling in general, is there?

why bother they don't listen to the public anyways aka netcensorship aka kevin rudd. This couldn't be a truly more exemplified example of the government not working for the people.

You might want to read up on how the government works. Rudd can't force anything through, the Lower house and the Senate both have to vote for it. And there's more senators speaking out against the net filter than in favour of it.

i don't think there is a law against profiling in general, is there?

Nope, the cops can stop you for walking around in all dark clothes at night if they want.

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whether they're doing it because a hoon car is a hoon car or because a black person is black, it is against the law

Heh what makes you think profiling is illegal?

Unless you mean racial profiling.. which is a boring, emotionally charged topic that is boring

Profiling isn't just some random s*** they do - it has a strong scientific bias and there's a lot of evidence supporting it's effectiveness in combating crime. here's some background reading

I know the rules are there and I'll admit most of the 10 I have are from when I was 18 to 20 (now in my 30's) but some of them and the system that supports them are a trap designed to create revenue

If it was about creating revenue, why are they giving an amnesty and reducing fines by a substantial amount?
Is it perhaps because they actually don't want people to be in debt for fines?
Is it they actually don't want people still paying fines 5-10 years after getting them?

Think they are trying to raise revenue? Well then hit them in the balls and don't break the law, no revenue to raise then!

profiling is profiling, you assume that someone is doing wrong because of what they are doing, what they look like or what they drive
I don't see how anyone can be called "fair and just" when they employ such tactics

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

The smartest criminals look totally unlike criminals.

The smartest criminals look totally unlike criminals.

yeh.. but they are in the absolute tiny minority. because the vast majority of criminals exhibit very similar patterns and tendencies. which is why profiling works, and why it's a good idea

edit: my previous awesome thread on profiling and how I dealt with it when I was profiled

good old qgl

traffic fines -> criminal profiling

everyone loves people that pretend to do good under the guise of following the law, right up until the cops f*** them over

The same person driving the same way down the same road is pulled up simply because of the car they choose to drive that day is, IMO, wrong.

I never said it was illegal, I said that in my opinion, it's not good.

It stands to reason that younger people (with less money) are driving older cars. With more, slight, mechenical faults (Like the H on the gear stick being slightly worn). So I agree that it stands to reason that if a police officer wanted to issue more tickets that day he would be better off targeting younger people. Same with 'Hoon' cars and illegal mods.

They also target 'sport' cars, not just hoon cars. Perfecty legal, in every aspect, but you're pulled over and have to waste 10min when they do their bulls***, just because you drive a faster looking car. Then you drive away, no fine, no infringment notice. Just wasted time.

Every single time I see a cop car drive past a P plater import, they throw a U-turn and pull them up.

Must be a pain in the ass :)

Every single time I see a cop car drive past a P plater import, they throw a U-turn and pull them up. Must be a pain in the ass :)

HA, me and my car "getz" away with everything.

f*** spending so much money on a d00f d00f mobile to be pulled over on every corner

with cops unfairly bullying the easier targets, is it any wonder that they grow up pissed off and hating police?

I know what goes through the mind of someone who attempts to out run the cops because I've been there done that, sometimes you get caught and sometimes you get away with it
if you haven't done anything wrong you shouldn't have anything to lose, but the fact is you can still get fined under the current system even if you haven't done anything wrong
purely because the cops are under pressure to make their numbers regardless of whether or not there are enough offenders to make up the numbers

this does not make for a remotely fair justice system

I'm pretty sure this is one of the stupidest ideasthreads to come from krudd'steq's mouth yet, and he's said some pretty f***ing retarded things.

the slightest smell of police corruption should see the office immediately lose his or her job, be charged with perverting justice and every conviction they've ever had a hand in should be overturned

... that's just dumb

profiling is profiling, you assume that someone is doing wrong because of what they are doing, what they look like or what they drive

You see a 16 year old kid walking down the street with a MASSIVE suitcase that is rattling off with what you suspect is beer/vodka bottles.

That is called reason to suspect.

Cops use it on everything from garden shops with enclosed areas to - yes - traffic enforcement.. You're not going to pull up a mitsubishi mirage because you suspect it's got a 800hp turbo packing.

I was at schoolies carrying a bottle of coke. I got stopped by 5 COPS.

All of them were agahst that it was actually coke, and let me be on my way.

I was profiledreasonably suspect because I had a schoolies band on, and was carrying a drink.

Cops aren't stupid, they KNOW schoolies drink while underage.

The same way they KNOW performance imports generally have illegal mods.

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that's just dumb

.. care to elaborate?
someone trusted with the preservation of societies laws should be held to the highest moral, ethical and legal code
officers often end up on "administrative leave" with full pay while their case goes to trial and when found guilty, they're simply stood down
they should be the ones who get 10x the normal penalty because they were trusted with the responsibilities of upholding justice, then broke that trust in the worst possible way

without reasonable cause the officer can't just look in that 16 year olds suitcase, what kind of world are we living in where someone with a badge can just do as they please because people have been letting them get away with it for years?

power corrupts, this can't be disputed - those trusted with power should have the fear of god put in them to deter them from allowing the power to corrupt them

without reasonable cause the officer can't just look in that 16 year olds suitcase, what kind of world are we living in

Yes, they can. That's what the rattling noise is. It's cause to investigate.

Having a policeman check your suitcase because your coke bottles are rattling doesn't end your life.

teq it's obvious by your posts by now you think every policeman is a horrible monster that is out to get you and take your money.

They are everyday people, most with familys, and they have trained for years to join the police force because they believe in the system, and want to serve and protect innocents.

The same way they KNOW performance imports generally have illegal mods.

you could drive your brand new of car off the dealership and if a cop wanted to, they could book you for something on that car
even if it was just off the dealership floor and obviously meets all ADR's (Australian design rules)

my point isn't that the profiling doesn't work, simply that it is immoral to pick on one group over another based purely upon the fact that its easier/more likely to result in a conviction etc
whatever happened to just policing and not trying to overstep what they were entrusted to do?

picking on kids who drive hotted up cars that are more often than not safer than your average mum-mobile serves no good to anyone
I had a full roll cage and expensive tyres, upgraded brakes, better quality exhaust, better tuning etc than every f***ing production family sedan for the last 20 years but the cops still wanted to book me
my car was ridiculously safe and very well built

it didn't save anyones life, it didn't stop me from driving, it just lined the governments pockets some more

Teq, like it or not, if a cop thinks you're carrying a gun because you have a gun-shaped wallet in your pocket, he's going to search you.

Get used to it.

how is booking kids driving hoon cars protecting innocents?

They are everyday people

no, they're not - they're cops
they have been given powers that every day people can not have, with great power comes great responsibility
they need to be more accountable when things go wrong or when they break the law

if a cop pulled me over to check my coke bottle I would seriously lawyer up, that is no joke.
you're just a sheep if you let this s*** happen to you, you're contributing to the downfall of civil rights and you're basically asking to be f***ed in the future when it comes time to implement laws that will actually affect you and upset you

you haven't had any experience in an 18y/o+ world yet Phooks, I stand by what I previously said that you have a decent head on your shoulders, but you are still naive when it comes to life experiences
people like yourself and trog are not helping the general population maintain civil rights

Teq, like it or not, if a cop thinks you're carrying a gun because you have a gun-shaped wallet in your pocket, he's going to search you.

completely missing the point
what if I am wearing a singlet, shorts and a pair of thongs
the cop can see exactly what i have on my person, yet he decides he wants to search me anyway with absolutely no cause

what do I do in this situation, would you just let it slide because he's a cop?

yea what bs, nearly everyone in the country has at least 4k of fines they've let accumulate.

c***s.

SPER also deals with businesses that don't pay council fines etc, it's not just traffic fines
my brother got fined by the BCC for displaying signage on his business that wasn't "cleared with council first" or some bulls*** like that
he was paying for the main signage on his building but not for a smaller sign outside

there's no benefit for the council doing that other than financial, it just hurts small business

people like yourself and trog are not helping the general population maintain civil rights

Really? I thought they usually looked for a bad guy to blame for changing the rules, like people who don't pay their fines.

turning over and allowing the rapist to f*** you in the arse isn't going to go along way towards preventing him from repeating his offence

Aren't you the one with all the fines though?

when I was 18 maybe, these days I pay my bills like every other chump
as a youth I was unfairly targeted and I had less money
as a young adult I am targeted less and I have more money

I will still on occasion go out of my way to annoy someone who does wrong by me
like this copper with no radar gun

8 license suspensions, ur insurance must be/have been through the roof.

people like yourself and trog are not helping the general population maintain civil rights

You are equating the desire and/or ability of people to break the law by speeding, or whatever, with civil rights? What rights are you talking about?

I feel like I do much more for important civil rights simply by drawing people's attention to things like the the Internet filter than you do by refusing to pay a speeding fine, just because you don't feel like slowing down

wow, people really have cop issues.

I feel like I do much more for important civil rights simply by drawing people's attention to things like the the Internet filter than you do by refusing to pay a speeding fine, just because you don't feel like slowing down

fark trog just tore you a new one.

the civil rights argument was unrelated to speeding, it was more the fact that people just roll over and accept that cops can/should be allowed to just search anyone they want for whatever reason they want

sc00bs, actually the most I ever paid for insurance was $2000 for full comp as a 21 year old with a turbo import, so about normal
they were low range speeding fines and I had no DUI or criminal convictions so really I was just a normal citizen who chose to go faster than the posted speed in the eyes of the insurance company

they care more about accident history and fraud charges etc
of which I have none (at fault)

wow, people really have cop issues.

cause they are sneaky c***s that bend the law to suit them?

Wow teq. In the olde aborignal thread, you kept saying if you were in their boat you'd be strong, and make something of your life blah blah blah. But look how much of a victimised little whiney baby you are about cops pulling you over for breaking the law. You say you weren't speeding and weren't acting like a dick, but I am putting it to you that you're a liar. If you'd 'lawyer up' about a cop wanting to inspect your coke bottle then that proves you'd instantly fail any attitude test. Have you ever considered the fact that even though you try not to act like a f***ing d*******, acting like one is beyond your control and the cops pick up on this and punish you accordingly? I strongly suspect this to be the case. You keep on parroting the with great power comes great responsibility line. Guess what one of those powers is? The power to search you if they suspect you of anything.

And all that stuff about causing a ripple (or more to the point, doing f***ing nothing and making yourself look like a c******* in the process), f***ing lol to that.

to everyone arguing against my cop-hating ways
what would you do if you were unfairly booked for something?

example you were actually convicted of a high range speeding fine by a speed camera, it wasnt your vehicle but the photo was blurry and they tried to do you anyway (this is all just a complete example from thin air)
you go to court, lose the case, lose your license and lose a fair stack of money

there is no possible way to get justice once this has happened, what do you do?
are you supposed to just roll over and take it?

if your answer is yes, then I no longer care to argue with you because you are the worst kind of citizen, the one who contributes to the downfall of society by allowing those entrusted to protect us, to f*** us over

before you type your argument, keep in mind my example could be anything (cop thought he saw you run out of a servo with a stolen drink or something but it wasnt you and they charged you anyway)

The power to search you if they suspect you of anything.

a completely bulls*** rule they brought in the past 2yrs or so to try and counter all the drugs.

The situation you described is an almost impossible scenario teq. If you are going to ask a f***ing stupid question like that, could you at least make the situation plausible?

failing the attitude test fpot, requires instant failure
if you start to treat the cop like a c*** after he's proven that he's going to be a c*** regardless of how you treat him/her, the attitude test matters not.

I've had a cop write a letter to me explaining that they were wrong to impose a fine and that it was dropped, so all my whining was worth it

Guess what one of those powers is? The power to search you if they suspect you of anything.

I know, and I completely disagree with this
which is why I would lawyer up after having a frank and civil discussion with the officer and asking why he wants to search me, i never said I would lawyer up before I asked why he wanted to search me etc.

I'd make sure the lawyer protected my rights just to annoy the cop, because the cops can and will search you just to annoy you

innocent people go to gaol fpot, use your imagination for once you fat f***

to everyone arguing against my cop-hating ways
what would you do if you were unfairly booked for something?

I've never been unfairly booked, or known anyone who has been. I guess I would weigh up my options like a rational adult and determine if it was worth the time or effort to challenge it.

I very much doubt it would be a life-changing event.

I assume it does happen though, but that doesn't mean that all cops are c***s ... by the way, you are profiling cops as c***s, just FYI :)

I very much doubt it would be a life-changing event.

losing ur licence = losing ur job to most ppl... thats pretty life changing if u ask me.

As soon as you say to a cop "I want a lawyer" or "give me your badge number" when they make a simple request or ask a simple question (like for example, wanting to check your coke bottle for alcohol) that instantly makes you an uncooperative wanker in their eyes. All you have to do is let them sniff the bottle or whatever it is they want to do to confirm it's not alcoholic so you and they can both be on their way.

Instead you want to get all 'fight the power' and 'make ripples' by arguing, and then instead of the situation turning out like I said, the cop is going to have to stand there and argue with you like the petulant little child that you are, before eventually you give up your little game and let them do their job, or they arrest you and make life tough on them and even tougher on you.

Basically you should never argue with police. Ever. If a cop books you for something that is it. The time to argue it is in court to a magistrate (but hey you FIGHT THE SYSTEM by not turning up, clever)

what would you do if you were unfairly booked for something?

I'd delay paying the fine for as long as possible to show the cash strapped state government that I mean business. Then at the last minute I'd grudgingly pay it after it had racked up some SPER fees.

to everyone arguing against my cop-hating ways
what would you do if you were unfairly booked for something?

example you were actually convicted of a high range speeding fine by a speed camera, it wasnt your vehicle but the photo was blurry and they tried to do you anyway (this is all just a complete example from thin air)
you go to court, lose the case, lose your license and lose a fair stack of money

there is no possible way to get justice once this has happened, what do you do?
are you supposed to just roll over and take it?

if your answer is yes, then I no longer care to argue with you because you are the worst kind of citizen, the one who contributes to the downfall of society by allowing those entrusted to protect us, to f*** us over

before you type your argument, keep in mind my example could be anything (cop thought he saw you run out of a servo with a stolen drink or something but it wasnt you and they charged you anyway)

you are picking spurious examples though. There is a requirement in law to prove beyond reasonable doubt; in the vast majority of cases this system works and the innocent are spared.

I think a much better example is what you were talking about before - where the police issue you a speeding fine for speeding without a technical measure or whatever.

If that happened to me, I'd do exactly what Grimy did - fight it in court then get on with my life

I think you are assuming that because we cop our fair knocks when we're busted doing something wrong, we're somehow rolling over and letting "The Man" have his way with us, or something.

losing ur licence = losing ur job to most ppl... thats pretty life changing if u ask me.

If I lost my license I wouldn't lose my job. I'm the boss, I get to make the f***en rules.

I also very much doubt I would lose my license unfairly. Under what circumstances do you suppose this would occur?

"hey if you like police so much why don't you just MARRY one"

Hopefully this is just another attempt to try and be comically unfunny scoobs because you really do suck at all aspects of humour.

It's also ironic that teq asks me to 'use my imagination' when he couldn't even come up with a plausible scenario to play his s***ty little hypothetical question to.

I also very much doubt I would lose my license unfairly. Under what circumstances do you suppose this would occur?

If I was in charge of drivers licenses I would have taken yours away to stop you going to see Avatar and the subsequent ruining of your taste in movies

I'm pretty sure its ruined already. I thought 2012 wasn't half bad!

Can you imagine if trog had real powers though? /shudder

think of the utopia

Bruce Willis on every channel every day, amirite?

just standing there with his shirt off

I'd vote for trog.

I don't think you'd get a chance to vote.
trog sounds like a dictatorship, what with taking people's license away for liking avatar and forcing people to watch bruce willis movies!

I'd still vote for trog. He's my despot of choice.

... I was in the Navy...

Now I know why he's called Hyperslider.......hot bunk anyone?

Ok trog what about the million pot users in america?

Is that mostly works???
Yeah good one didn't think so mate.

Hey Corrupt why don't you tell everyone about the time some guy raped you in the ass at a party when you were younger? It might help explain why you're such a delusional loser today.

Ok trog what about the million pot users in america?

Is that mostly works???
Yeah good one didn't think so mate.

I can't believe how hard it is to find an animated gif of someone foaming and frothing at the mouth

edit: close, but still way off:

http://trog.qgl.org/up/camel_drool.jpg

Hahahha when you can't beat the logic you resort to name-calling especially fpot always name-calling and never addresses any of the issues fat slug.

I also very much doubt I would lose my license unfairly. Under what circumstances do you suppose this would occur?

you got fined legitimately and lost 12 points, they give you your license back and you get 1 point for 12 months (or you can opt to take a 3 month suspension and you get 12 points back after the suspension ends)

then, one day you're driving down the road doing 60km/hr, all of a sudden another car drives by you and you see a flash, its a flash for cash van
30 days later you get a letter in the mail, you've just lost 3 points and $333 for doing 71km/hr in a 60 zone

under current legislation there is nothing you can say or do to keep your license
it's impossible, you got sent that fine mistakenly but you are actually legally not allowed to challenge the use of speed cameras

you've just lost your license, your job and as a result of not being able to find employment for 3 months after this (because you're a truck driver) you've just lost your house

hows that

Corrupt: what logic?

teq: I'm looking at a speed camera fine that my brother got right now and there is an option to challenge it in court.

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Hahahha when you can't beat the logic you resort to name-calling especially fpot always name-calling and never addresses any of the issues fat slug.

you haven't actually made a logical argument that makes sense to anyone yet

it's impossible, you got sent that fine mistakenly but you are actually legally not allowed to challenge the use of speed cameras

Who would want to do that though?

Also, if you want to do that, you could start a political party, the platform for which was the abolition of speed cameras and speeding fines. Then you could promote it and try to get people to vote for you, and then if you got voted in, you could change that law.

thanks teq and corrupt for the many laughs.

you got fined legitimately and lost 12 points

How exactly do I lose 12 points? You have to be a special kind of stupid to lose 12 points.

I reckon you've gotta try really, really hard to lose that many points.

How about if aliens land and steal your points with their anti-points laser?

its not hard, its 3 medium range speeding offences inside a 36 month period = loss of license

so you can get caught doing 62km/hr 3 times over 3 years in a 50 zone, you no longer have a license
then you get 1 fine that takes your last point and it's against a peice of equipment that has legislation in place to stop people from arguing against it in court (you cant argue against speed cameras in court unless you're arguing that they were incorrectly configured at the scene, which you couldn't possibly know)

So in other words, I have to be a moron repeatedly?

if that's how you chose to look at it then yes, why not
if my mother in law can lose her license, anyone can

sometimes it's the luck of the draw and other times it's wrong place, wrong time, more often than not it's guilty as charged
but innocent people do go to gaol and im ashamed to even think that the general population of this fine country just accepts what they're told at face value

if a cop showed up on your door step and said move aside I'm coming in to search yuor home, we suspect you have X/Y/Z inside, do you just let them in or do you ask for a warrant?

So you've gone from post #117 to post #151 to finally realise your s***ty little hypothetical situation was pointless and implausible.

And even with your little revised edition there is still doubt. I don't know exactly how the law works except that offences have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Now if there were two cars in the image, then surely there is doubt and it can be arguable in court?

edit: duuur, you ask for a warrant.

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wrong, as usual

don't know exactly how the law works

yeah exactly, you just don't know
I've been to court and I've dealt with it, so basically your completely wrong and everything you've said up until this point was based off absolutely no evidence

the camera is supposed to accurately identify the offender, however it has been wrong on numerous occasions and it can't be overturned in a regular court

it requires big balla kinda scrilla to get any kind of justice in this current criminal system
seriously, I'm paying $3000/day a day for my defense and even when I win the case, I will not be awarded costs because the police get the benefit of the doubt and if everyone who challenged + won their case had to be awarded costs, the state would run out of money f***ing quick smart

now shut the f*** up and stop talking about s*** you have absolutely no idea about you fat f***ing clown
I honestly can't believe they'd let such a pansy like you be a bouncer, you must spend more time at the ER than you do checking IDs

Yep teq it certainly ain't hard to lose the license or get it suspended.

So not only do you believe you are bring victimised by the police officers themselves, you also believe the cameras on the side of the road are out to get you as well. Talk about a complete screwjob. You are now approaching the level of Faceman/Corrupt/smashcrab in the loser stakes.

Keep making ripples though tiger.

I've been to court and I've dealt with it, so basically your completely wrong and everything you've said up until this point was based off absolutely no evidence

hahaha are you a lawyer now as well as a pothead?

Personally if I ever saw Corrupt agreeing with what I said alarm bells would f***ing ring.

if my mother in law can lose her license, anyone can

If my mother can go 30 years of driving without a ticket/fine, anyone can. Oh no, your s***ty argument can be turned on its head!

no but I'm a pothead who can afford to hire a good lawyer

fpot you might think I'm a crazy person for fighting the system but I know you're a complete tard for having blind trust
you'd have to be pretty uninvested in your own future to not even question the authority that has the ability to absolutely f*** you over if they see fit
you're going places kid, keep it up

has your mother never done 1 kilometer over the speed limit in her life, Mantorok?
(actually I know she has, cause she made it to my house last night inside 5mins and to do that she had to average >100km/hr)

sometimes it's the luck of the draw and other times it's wrong place, wrong time, more often than not it's guilty as charged

your argument can be turned on its head simply by reminding you that innocent people get f***ed over from time to time too, they also occasionally end up in gaol

See you are confusing my level headedness and ability to think critically with blind trust. I've had to deal with police and bulls*** artists many many many many times in my job and occasionally in day to day life as well. There is no way anyone who ever knows me would describe me as someone who puts blind trust into anything.

I think I may have been onto something when I said that you probably have so much trouble with police and authority figures because even though you try to be civil and polite, you are utterly incapable of it due to your victimised personality and just being a complete f***wit in general. You've admitted on her many times you don't care who you f*** over and being a f***wit about things is the right way to get what you want. Not that I care because it is just so fun reading your stupid assumptions and crazy half-true anecdotes to try and back up your point of view, but maybe you should invest some time into learning how to not be such a detestable f*** head and you'll have less trouble from people who find themselves in a position to f*** you over.

Some inventors are called crazy, whats really crazy is how stupid you are fpot, and how you personally attack everyone who points out something that is wrong.

If you don't know what the f*** speeding is then you are a retard.

Speeding is going beyond a safe speed for the conditions you are driving in. It can not be construed as anything else a formula and arbitrary sign posted limit has less meaning than the reality of the world around us. If a dead sign means more than the living ever-changing world then you are mistaken in the perception.

Lets say we have 2 lanes on a highway signposted at 100km/hr does everyone need to be doing 100km/hr ? What if one person does 120km/hr and the other people recognise this so they merge and let him/her pass? Do we really need that amount of order?

I wouldn't class what you do as 'fighting the system'. Maybe it's getting some satisfaction but I'd take 'fighting the system' as actively trying to change it. I guess in the long run if everyone did it they might reform some things? I'd hazard a guess at that change being them making sper/no court turn up fees huge though.

Have you heard of reading Corrupt? Speed limit signs aren't arbitrary, they are set by people who are experts in the field based on the locality and condition of the road.

But you are just showing your blatant stupidity again. I never even mentioned anything to do with speed limits.

you got fined legitimately and lost 12 points, they give you your license back and you get 1 point for 12 months (or you can opt to take a 3 month suspension and you get 12 points back after the suspension ends)

That's all I needed to know, thanks.

tequila - Show me one completely innocent person who has lost all their points due to police error. I hear they hang out with leprechauns, should be fairly easy to find.

My recent experiences with police have been getting pulled over for having my fogs lights on, then being fined $13 for not having updated my address on my licence, then getting fined $40 for parking on a nature strip that is realy a huge section of grass next to a road where everyone parks to sell there car.

And then when I actually needed the police they took an hour and 20 minutes to turn up to an accident, after which both other drivers had already left in the ambulance. He breathalysed me, but not the guy at fault cause they didnt even bother to find out who was driving the other car, they had its rego and that was it, they didnt investigate the incident at all.

When someone had actualy put lives in danger, they didnt give a f***, cause it would have meant alot of work for probably a few fines, time they could spend out on the road getting the real killers doing 75 in a 70 zone.

Most cops are glorified speed cameras, they dont care about actual police work from what i've seen.

And then when I actually needed the police they took an hour and 20 minutes to turn up to an accident, after which both other drivers had already left in the ambulance. He breathalysed me, but not the guy at fault cause they didnt even bother to find out who was driving the other car, they had its rego and that was it, they didnt investigate the incident at all.

How do you know they didn't try and find out who the other driver was? They had his rego didn't they? You do realise they don't keep you updated on every aspect of their investigation right?

Viper speaking the truth of experience eh :P I'm not surprised most police stations are run under a corporation, corporations need to make profit to continue running hence all the bs fines.

Oooo touched a raw nerve did i fpot???? explains ur fury.

How do you know they didn't try and find out who the other driver was? They had his rego didn't they? You do realise they don't keep you updated on every aspect of their investigation right?

cause I didnt have his details, needed them for my insurance, rang up to find out they said they didnt have the name of the other driver, just his rego, and it wasnt a privacy thing cause my insurance company got a copy of the police report and it named the rego of the vehicle at fault, but not the driver, cause they didnt know who the driver was. This was a week after the accident.

If they had chased it up on the day of the accident and went to the hospital to breathalyse they guy at fault they would know his name.

in every one of your replies it's been a half arsed attempt to lead people off the trail followed by a swift personal attack
you'll never be anything more than the slugman fpot, pretty simply

oh and my mate got done by a cop estimating his speed then in court said they had him on tape admitting it. My mate knew he hadnt admitted it and the apparent admission was when after trying to get my mate to admit to the speed my mate said something along the lines of "whatever you reckon" in an obvious sarcastic way.

Im sure there are good cops out there, I just havent meet any yet.

Actually an old mates dad was head of CIB somewhere, he was a pretty good guy, obviously not a traffic cop though.

You'll never be anything but a f***wit hopelessly raging against the system in your own specially retarded way teq.

I am asking about a story that was circulated about you years ago. About the story that caused you to seek therapy and to be diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder.

he obviously doesnt want to talk about a sore point in his life


:P

yeah i got no beef with non-traffic cops, except when they're corrupt
met some good ones, even lived next door to a fairly high ranking officer for a few years and had bbqs with the family etc

but traffic cops seriously have nothing better to do all day than meet their quotas

Viper speaking the truth of experience eh :P I'm not surprised most police stations are run under a corporation, corporations need to make profit to continue running hence all the bs fines.

are you trolling? This is just deluded

If you don't know what the f*** speeding is then you are a retard.

Speeding is going beyond a safe speed for the conditions you are driving in.

no, it isn't. Speeding is going beyond the established speed limit. Your definition is contrary to the established, legal definition. Again, no matter how good you think you are at "driving to the conditions", chances are, you're not

lets stow the abuse and focus on the topic at hand, eh?

Awww, it wasn't deleted when I quoted it :(

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

Things that lower awareness could be things like... driver skill?

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

wow you had me questioning myself as to whether or not I'd posted that bit about slander vs. libel just now

3000/day to fight a how much ticket?

I wish i earnt enough to pay money for no gain?

Wut wut?

Didnt read whole thread

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

What you call "Awareness" is just a part of what the rest of us call "skill"

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

Yeah you keep on paying your laywer $3000 a day to fight a ~$100 ticket, good work teq. Fight that system!

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

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That comic is wrong though, no one would want to go to bed with trog.

It's Bruce Willis.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Cops know this, they sit on sections of roads that they know the limit is too low for conditions and they know people will be a bit over, like when they have a 70 zone when it clearly should be 80 or 90.

They know they wont get anyone doing anything dangerous, but they will get s***loads of people being over the limit by 10-15ks.

Yes they are breaking the law, but the cops are also taking advantage of the situation and creating reputation of being revenue raisers.

Is it realy saving lives sitting at the bottom of a hill on a perfectly straight section of new road with no houses or anything anywhere near and booking people for doing 80? Dont think so.

People that get done on the M1 are idiots, people that get done going through red lights deserve it, people that tailgate deserve higher fines than speeding, people need to get fined more for not staying left on multilane roads when they arent overtaking, people should get fined when they are the cause of any accident.

But they are to busy revenue raising at the bottom of that hill in the 70 zone.

Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

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The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?
Nah, didn't think so.

However, people who say politics doesn't come into the speed limit is kidding themselves. Pollies listen to the people that live on the street/area, they then pass that information onto the traffic/transport engineers (Civils dont care.) Sometimes it's in the way of "Hey these people think 80 might be a bit too fast" other times it's "I want this road to be 60, or else."
More often then not, people are asking for slower speeds. Crazy, I know. Thats what happens though.

I 100% agree, that in a lot of cases, those Police could be used for more (IMO) important duties. Like going after drunk drivers or arresting more Bogans starting trouble.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?

Why does that matter? Normal people dont have common sense?

Ill give you an example, You know beaudesert road/mt lindsay highway?

Well going from jimboomba north its all s*** old roads, and the speed varies between 80-100, its 90-100 most of the way way. Then you get up towards park ridge, its a brand new secion of road that has 2 lanes either way, the rest from jimboomba is all single lane.

So its a brand new road, dual lane, its a highway, for the last 10+ks its been 90-100 on s*** old road, now its a brand new road with off ramps and merge lanes and guardrails.

What do you reckon the speed limit is? it sure aint 100 like it should be, its 80.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Funny how a police station is in a section right in the middle, with a nice little hill for them to sit on and book commuters go over 80.

You dont need to be civil engineer or whatever to see its a crock of s***.

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

Well, this is just a wild guess, but I would say its wrong, when, oh, I dunno, its against the law? You know, the laws you agree to abide by as part of living in this society? You can't just pick and choose which laws you want to follow, its kind of an "all or nothing" deal.

And just for future reference, dropping the word "arbitrary" all the time doesn't make your argument sound more valid or intelligent. Pretty sure laws aren't "arbitrary", I'm sure they're quite grounded in reality. Maybe not YOUR reality, but definitely the reality that the rest of us live in.

Edit: Oh, there was like another 150 posts after where I read up to, so I guess my reply is completely out of sync with the rest of the thread now. Oh well.

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

bahahahahahahaha

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

My experiences with cops have generally been really positive, even the time they rocked up to QGL and were asking me questions about why there was child porn on one of the computers at an event I was organising

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

dude please google 'strawman' - wait, that's not even a strawman

The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

can anyone else make out what this is supposed to mean?

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

haha! why don't you tell us how the Stanford prison experiment is relevent to your crazy police conspiracy theory, oh wise arm-chair psychologist?

I know where he is going with the Stanford reference but how does that make speeding a sane behavior?
Should you accidently hit a jaywalker when you are speeding you could find yourself doing real hard time, even though they were jaywalking and you are an infinitely safe and aware driver.

Also you did not get booked on eye judgement of a cop for going a little over the speed limit. either
1 you were gunning it or
2 your mom told him to book you.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Maybe because of all the increased traffic on a road with heaps of verticle curves? Maybe because until 2 weeks ago they were still doing verge and middle island work on the road?
Might have something to do with the fact that there are still active works going on on the walls and underpasses for it.

I'm not totally sure, but some of these things may have had an effect on the speed limit. I've never seen Cops sitting on that road, but I usually only go over it 2 or 3 times a week.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

Great thread, A++ would read again! I may be presumptuous but this could very well be a contender for THREAD OF THE YEAR.

As for cops, I've met a lot of them (not socially) and the good ones far far outweigh the bad ones. I've had a cop reduce a 40km/h over speed limit down to 20km/h, I've had them issue a warning when doing 130-140km/h out on the Flinders Highway and heaps more examples that would fall on deaf years of the cop haters.

Treat other people with respect (cops or not) and surprise surprise - you'll be treated with respect back.

those cops must have been having a good day to do that for you ticman.

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

I had the same thing happen to me in NZ except it was a fixed speed camera - got the thing in the mail back home a few weeks later

I paid the fine and got on with my life

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

i don't get out of bed for less than paying 3k/day to my lawyer

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

home here. I assumed they were legal; the car rental people sure didn't tell me anything otherwise when I showed them my license.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

bulls***, if you drive that road and think you cant do over 80 safely then you shouldnt be on the road at all. Its a dual lane highway for f*** sake.

Its because they would have been forced to keep the speed limit down to keep someone happy.

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

wtf? Of course they're legal, your AU licence is accepted worldwide*.

* There are exceptions of course and often you'll need an International Licence, talk to RACQ.