If you want.

:D

heh.

this could be handy

I'll get right on it

heh.

What with being the Hogfather and all, mine comes pre-Yuletided! :)

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can't trog wont let me touch my nick/avatar/sig.

nazi

^
Did you upload Goatse or a picture of your dork as an avatar or something?

bah humbug

test

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3930/avatarblueman.jpg

aghahahahawehaj

hogfather, i changed my name too many times + used the word f*** in the process.

no

Don't mind if I do.

total fit out
merry xmas all

s*** it came around quick!

nah f*** it

I hate Christmas, so no.

^
inc coal

You shoulda just put a hat on homer crazymorton

mine's animated, i don't know how :(

whoop your avatar is creepy as hell. do you own one of those robotic sex dolls?

looks like anne hathaway to me.

It's Anne Hathaway

Done

woahhhhhhh you're right, her smile is really creepy.

Done :)

Done, you have got no idea how long it took to get it down in filesize, stupid fireworks for some unknown reason likes to add another 100K to it's animated GIFs for no apparent reason, had to do it in photoshop :(

Delivered.

thanks rawb I am stealing that s***

as gay as this is, im bored so what the f*** ever...

this is not ocau
so no

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8176/test2c.gif
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6518/testda.gif
no excuses

yes ma'am

haha nice one Lynx :)

rawb wins

I can't find the original version of mine to edit :(


Edit: done.

last edited by FraktuRe at 22:53:15 14/Dec/09

Done. I feel dirty.

+rep lynx

aghahahahawehaj

You laugh like rocketbear

Just credit it to my post count

Lynx do me do me

I've been preparing for this for years!#!!#

Done. I feel dirty.

lol, because your avatar is so cheery. I like the juxtaposition :-P

Lynx do me do me

Hahaha, where you'll put a santa hat in that is beyond me...

too difficult.

+1 to hard

dammit I went looking for hats and got lost

@#$% internets being so confusing

dammit I went looking for hats and got lost

@#$% internets being so confusing

You didn't get lost koopz, you got found. Sexy xmas lingerie ftw!

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5544/5869sexysantabikiniling.jpg
EDIT: Ok, in hindsight I picked the chick on there that needs to eat more, but you get the idea.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1628/13287.png

Done!

Haha what about a santa hat on a coffee cup or something

meh

Time to bust out my 3 year old photoshop effort

http://www.digitalpants.net/pics/SantaJackson.jpg

What with being the Hogfather and all, mine comes pre-Yuletided! :)

'cept your avatar is actually death dressed up as hogfather

Santa avatars are 1000000x gayer than avatars in general

How about a peek-a-boo santa

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2412/13287.jpg

'cept your avatar is actually death dressed up as hogfather

Did you read the book Obes, or are you just trolling again?

When Death is doing the Hogfather's job he is the Hogfather. This is why Albert can exist in the special reality for the Hogfather and eat a few hundred thousand pork pies, and why Death's efforts channel enough belief to sustain the Hogfather while Susan sorts out Mr Teatime.

I've actually been checking back on this thread to see who would be anal enough to point this out. And oh look, its Obes!

yeh, but really, it's Death dressed up as the hogfather

hogfather is out of something?

It was also the best Google image I could find for my avatar.

Death is a much better Hogfather anyway!

Edit: thermite, if you haven't read any Terry Pratchett yet be off with you and acquire some :)

heh nice work there lynx :D but still...


no

I do not believe in Christ therefore I won't be involved in this northern hemisphere version of crass commercialization.

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more coal

If you hate christmas it is probably because you are ugly and lack friends/family/food

hurricanejim, i'm glad to see a non-believer with a spine.
so many people will be celebrating christmas (jesus christ's birthday) when they don't believe in christ. What phonies. Better yet, go to work on that day you lame, spineless frauds.

I do not believe in Christ therefore I won't be involved in this northern hemisphere version of crass commercialization.

it's OK, you can still celebrate the principles of Christmas without believing in Christ, just like you can lead a good Christian life without actually being a Christian

I do not believe in Christ therefore I won't be involved in this northern hemisphere version of crass commercialization.

Isn't it generally the people who do believe in Christ that refuse to be involved in the crass commercialisation of Christmas? Personally I'm all for the presents, booze and prawns. Bring on santa!

hurricanejim, i'm glad to see a non-believer with a spine.
so many people will be celebrating christmas (jesus christ's birthday) when they don't believe in christ. What phonies. Better yet, go to work on that day you lame, spineless frauds.

I hear his birthday was actually in March.

just when you thought hardware couldn't get any better he pulls out another amazing post. hats off to you, good sir.

lead a good Christian life without actually being a Christian

To lead a 'christian life' is to devote yourself to Jesus Christ and that would make you... a christian.

Personally I'm all for the presents, booze and prawns.

I practice this every day of the year. Why restrict myself to one day when I can celebrate life every moment.

i celebrate xmas with my folks n kin & none of us believe in ancient mystical middle eastern dogma! we just aren't sad party poopers that can't enjoy themselves without a cause :D in fact, i'll take any reason for chance to do a bit of celebrating :D orrrrejeh!

Yeah there's significant evidence that the dude wasn't born on Xmas 25th. Plus, take into account the Georgian/Julian calendar changes, plus the fact they didn't use calendars (in our sense of the word) a whole lot back then, and you can bet your sweet arse ol' Jesus didn't pop out on the 25th. And further, if you're true orthodox you can add a whole other element of error by your unsubstantiated disregard for the Georgian calendar (because a Pope decreed it, it must be wrong - which it's not, since his astronomer told him to do it).

I'm an atheist but I still love Christmas time. For me it has nothing to do with Christianity or Christ. It is what you make of it; that's the simple reality.

And before this thread spins off into another atheist-filled QGL special, I would also be quite happy to go to church at Xmas time (any Anglican, Roman Catholic or Uniting church) - which also for me is not religious (believe it!) - I like the traditions and the singing and what not, even though I am still 100% solid atheist. Midnight mass is quite an interesting thing to attend. If you haven't been, get there. Even if it's to marvel at the sheer number of 'believers' that believe in that bulls***!

Christmas is almost entirely a secular holiday.

To lead a 'christian life' is to devote yourself to Jesus Christ and that would make you... a christian.

nah, it's not necessarily, unless you're talking the actual literal sense of the word, which I think it's pretty clear I wasn't

nah, it's not necessarily, unless you're talking the actual literal sense of the word, which I think it's pretty clear I wasn't

And clearly what I was implying is that you can't redefine 'christian' to mean 'good', that is not correct, and it is potentially offensive. That is something a christian would do to make their existence seem synonymous with goodness. Christians are responsible for oppression, execution, murders, wars, and just the general horrible treatment of human lives. I know this for a fact, I have been on several bible camps.

Yeah there's significant evidence that the dude wasn't born on Xmas 25th. Plus, take into account the Georgian/Julian calendar changes

Plus the fact that there never was a Jesus Christ recorded in history anywhere ever, nor a man who do any of the miracles that jesus could do. Plus all the stories of christ were known much earlier in persian and egyptian culture and were attributed to various other well known pagan deities. Plus the fact that all the original gospels contradicted each other, read as fiction, plus the idea that jesus was a human being didn't become dominant until hundreds of years after people started writing about jesus as a god.

And clearly what I was implying is that you can't redefine 'christian' to mean 'good', that is not correct, and it is potentially offensive.

I'm not joking when I say that when people use the word 'Christian' to mean 'fair, just and good' I genuinely get offended because that implies as a non-Christian that I am not 'fair, just or good'.

And you need only point at all the kiddie-fiddling Christians out there to know that it's a bogus ideal anyway.

thermite, I am quite certain there is enough historical evidence that the guy referred to as 'Jesus' did actually exist and further was a significant historical figure (maybe similar level of significance as Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great, something like that). An influential person. That's as far as I'm prepared to go.

I'm not joking when I say that when people use the word 'Christian' to mean 'fair, just and good' I genuinely get offended because that implies as a non-Christian that I am not 'fair, just or good'.

Really? Offended?

Really? Offended?

Yeah, it definitely makes me arc up, so I guess that means offended. I deal with a born-again Christian quite regularly who pulls out such s*** on the odd occasion and it definitely causes me to rant. That's about as offended as I get.

Dunno dude. I tend to think the "Christian values" thing is more a historical language construct than anything else, much like how "English" is mostly spoken by non-English. Western justice and morality is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, like it or not.

We're still untangling it - see poofter marriage for a good example.

If you let the born again wanker get to you because he (wrongly) thinks this means he has a exclusive patent on the concept of goodness, it says more about you than him IMO.

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And clearly what I was implying is that you can't redefine 'christian' to mean 'good', that is not correct, and it is potentially offensive. That is something a christian would do to make their existence seem synonymous with goodness. Christians are responsible for oppression, execution, murders, wars, and just the general horrible treatment of human lives. I know this for a fact, I have been on several bible camps.

yep, those are the things I was talking about when I said "good Christian life" alright

Hogfather, I got your avatar, that was an awesome book.

Couldn't change my spiraling pentacle so you'all will just have to deal with a pic of me in a Santa suit.

Yes it probably is historic, and it is in dictionaries, but it's still not right. It's (something like) propaganda to get your name into people's heads as being synonymous with a concept that appeals to them. Sort of the opposite of calling someone a 'mexican' or a 'jew' - those are the real words but they carry with them connotations that people who don't like mexicans or jews have created.

thermite, I am quite certain there is enough historical evidence that the guy referred to as 'Jesus' did actually exist and further was a significant historical figure (maybe similar level of significance as Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great, something like that). An influential person. That's as far as I'm prepared to go.

Fair enough, if thats what you've been told, a lot of people think that. I don't want to do the argument now, but if you care about actual history, and truth, you should really look into this a bit more!

just when you thought hardware couldn't get any better he pulls out another amazing post. hats off to you, good sir.

No probs! Damn i love starting an e-fight, and what better a way to do with religion.

Also

It doesn't f***ing matter what the exact day of Jesus's birth is. It was always an estimation, be it wrong or not. The fact is, Dec 25 is the day Jesus' birthday is celebrated.

Also also

Most christians aren't pious f***tards (believe it or not) and go to church because they know they're not good or perfect.

Dunno dude. I tend to think the "Christian values" thing is more a historical language construct than anything else, much like how "English" is mostly spoken by non-English. Western justice and morality is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, like it or not.

Yes it is, but Ghandi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

When you say 'Judeo-Christian beliefs', I don't think it's as simple to categorise it like that. If you take, for example, the Moses story as fact. Dude says, "Give me all your gold" and wanders up a hill and comes back with some basic laws for living - you would say the foundations for our Judeo-Christian justice system - don't kill, steal, blah blah.

What I think this actually represents is at that time society had a lot of problems - a basic disrespect for other people. A character like Moses might represent a political person who is out to change such a culture (whatever his methods, trickery/con even if desperate enough!).

You can see a basic disrespect for other people in many countries. You don't see it very often in my suburb though.

My annoyance stems from the fact that basic respect for people doesn't have to be religiously based. So if you associate these basic principles with 'Christianity' or 'Judaism' or 'Buddhism' or whatever you think is the 'ideal' religion, then yeah, that annoys me.

At the end of the day though, I think there are only more and more atheists because life is so good for most Westerners now that they don't really need something to believe in to make life better.

Soz for the TL;DR

So...any more cool santa hat avatars?

So...any more cool santa hat avatars?

trog, get on board lazy

At the end of the day though, I think there are only more and more atheists because life is so good for most Westerners now that they don't really need something to believe in to make life better.

Exactly. What's the saying, there's no athiests in a war trench?

there's no athiests in a war trench?

Haven't heard that one before but it nails it. Will remember that.

Infact one who is good because they fear the wrath of an angry god or demon is probably less honourable than one who is good simply because of themselves. And trust me there are politicians and stuff who do believe morality comes right out of the bible and nowhere else, and they think that without religion humans have no sense of right and wrong.

what all this s*** about the Jesus Christ dude....it's about the jolly fat dude in the red suit brining us pressies isn't it?
i suppose you guys think Easter is about some bloke rising from the dead.....pwwwwffff (shhh...it's about a bunny rabbit who delivers chocolate and sugary eggs and hides them around the house) and if you leave powder and food out you'll see he's been!
trust me on this i'm over 40 i know s***

I'm an atheist grinch, hating on Christmas while not believeing in Jeebus at all

So, about those Santa Avatars - sup?

i rekn there are increasingly more atheists due to the populace (western or otherwise) is increasingly better educated & less superstitious.

crazymorton : what sort of powder do you leave for (& is taken by) the easter bunny?!? ;p

What I think this actually represents is at that time society had a lot of problems - a basic disrespect for other people. A character like Moses might represent a political person who is out to change such a culture (whatever his methods, trickery/con even if desperate enough!).

So? Whether the above is right or wrong, religion still shaped our justice system and moral code, especially over the last millennium. It doesn't mean that God did it.

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Thats right hogfather. And a lot of people fail to differentiate God from the Church. The Church is full of failure-prone humans

I thought everyone knew what Christmas is all about... ham.

crazymorton : what sort of powder do you leave for (& is taken by) the easter bunny?!? ;p

why the finest Johnson & Johnson Talcum of course....whatever were you thinking?!?

my avatar seems to have reverted? and i didn't do it.....what's doing there?

A character like Moses might represent a political person

It is far more likely that Moses' people, the tribe of Levi, were waring rapists and murderers that dominated the tribes of Israel with brute force. The Levites were an aggressive waring tribe, and their battle mascot, Yahweh, was a volcano inhabiting war god. They decided he was better than any other mascot and set out to 'convince' everyone of this. I guarantee you he wasn't holding a rock and reading from it, he was holding a rock and pounding it into someone's skull telling them their god wasn't proper, and his was.

I don't think there's any independent (non-religious) evidence to suggest that Jesus even existed at all. All books about him were written something like 100 years after he died, and were all stories of stories.

This is quite long, but interesting: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html

Inconclusive though, Billy. By that logic a number of historical figures up to the end of the Dark Ages never existed as contempareous scribes weren't exactly a dime a dozen.

Inconclusive though, Billy. By that logic a number of historical figures up to the end of the Dark Ages never existed as contempareous scribes weren't exactly a dime a dozen.

Yeh, like Merlin!

and thus, their existence should be viewed with skepticism as well

Oh so no one could find a scribe willing to write about Jesus at the time, but everything else that happened is extensively documented. I think a guy that walks on water and heals leopards* warrants at least the f***ing high school work experience kid to come down and make a note.


*michael scott

But he is still death

Sigh ... I think I'm being Obes'd but I'll give it one more post.

"Death" and "Hogfather" are anthropomorphic personifications, not people. Like the Gods of the Discworld, they are shaped by belief.

For example, Mort very nearly became Death just by doing Death's job for a while. Sure under the silly hat he's obviously still Death (you can tell from the bones) but he's also the Hogfather.

They are obviously not mutually exclusive personifications during the book. Its almost the entire f***ing premise of the novel.

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this is some nerdy s*** right here

Its very much like a quantum computer.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/336/c/8/Sexy_Santa_Sitting_by_AndrewHoughton.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/345/d/4/Sexy_Christmas_by_jodeeprose.jpg

hoe hoe hoe! :D

this is some nerdy s*** right here

Oh noes nerdy s*** on a computer games forum, what the f*** shall we do?!

done.

cool beans.

haha that's so good demon.






what's the difference between santa and tiger woods?

Spoiler:
Santa stops after 3 ho's


edit: can't stop watching dubsteppin santa.

edit2: srsly

last edited by taggs at 19:56:01 15/Dec/09

Gold demon. Absolute pure gold.

Can someone do my harvey birdman avvy

I dont have ps ... povo and i dont know any monkeys (get out the violins)

I dont have ps ... povo and i dont know any monkeys (get out the violins)

Paint.NET is free, good in a pinch and has a less bizarre interface than the Gimp!

cheers hf

hahah taggs.. that's the only Tiger thing I've seen since all this bulls*** started that was worth my attention.

Dubstep Santa is awesome, reposted on Facebook which is probably first time I've used it in a few months, that awesome.