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TicMan
Posts: 4400
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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So I got a job interview lined up tomorrow and it says "Dresscode: Corporate" .. I was going to wing it in my suit without tie job but a few friends have popped up and said the whole deal is required. Help me QGL, you're my only hope (thus far).
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demon
Posts: 4212
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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wear a nazi armband with a maltese cross... nothing says 'corporate' like a nice maltese ;D
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| #1 06:02pm 25/03/09 |
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orbitor
Posts: 7895
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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wear a suit with tie, you want to be dressed at least as well as the people working there or you'll come off badly.
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| #2 06:03pm 25/03/09 |
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Infidel
Posts: 2746
Location: Netherlands
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A smoking jacket with cowboy boots
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| #3 06:04pm 25/03/09 |
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thermite
Posts: 1112
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Don't work there, they made up a dresscode. Also dresscode isn't a word, so they made that up too.
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| #4 06:04pm 25/03/09 |
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TicMan
Posts: 4401
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Well looking at their site, it appears casual is the dress around town .. even has one bloke in a wife beater.
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| #5 06:06pm 25/03/09 |
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Pinky
Posts: 1103
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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I interview a lot of people and I always like to see them make more effort for an interview than they would to turn up to work day in, day out. Dressing well, having shiny shoes and so on, all adds to the impression you give the interviewer. You are trying to impress the interviewer into giving you the job, so go all out I say. |
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BillyHardball
Posts: 8891
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I'd go shirtless.
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| #7 06:09pm 25/03/09 |
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Superform
Posts: 5387
Location: Netherlands
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corparate = golf atire , everyone knows that , be prepared to know what a Marylin Monroe is (a fair crack up the middle, aka "A Blondie").
i just did the 3 tier interview process and i think i nailed the atire part.. first interview i was smart casual, second i was suit and tie, third i was suit no tie after seeing what everyone else was wearing i got the job o and i brushed my hair.. which i havnt done for about 6 years |
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| #8 06:13pm 25/03/09 |
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infi
Posts: 11775
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Suit and tie ya gronk. It said corporate. Sssshheeesh, kids these days.
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Infidel
Posts: 2747
Location: Netherlands
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your scalp needs a cuthroat super
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| #10 06:25pm 25/03/09 |
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Triamks
Posts: 1967
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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wife beater It's called a singlet, we're not in America and you're not American. |
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 2971
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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paint yourself green and walk into the office, slam your fists on the desk and yell 'Hulk Smash'
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thermite
Posts: 1113
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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australians beat their wives too triamks
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| #13 06:43pm 25/03/09 |
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Trin
Posts: 2681
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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+1 for wife beater instead of singlet
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| #14 06:57pm 25/03/09 |
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HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16032
Location: Ireland
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suit and tie
do you really have to ask such a dumb question? |
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euphoria
Posts: 1063
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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paint yourself green and walk into the office, slam your fists on the desk and yell 'Hulk Smash'ROFL |
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| #16 07:01pm 25/03/09 |
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Superform
Posts: 5390
Location: Netherlands
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do you really have to ask such a dumb question? its qgl .. of course he does |
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whoop
Posts: 13683
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I turned up in a t-shirt, board shorts & basketball sneakers. Been there for 9 or so years.
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| #18 07:05pm 25/03/09 |
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Sc00bs
Posts: 3680
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i got my job while i was drunk and in a singlet and boardies
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Crakaveli
Posts: 3207
Location: USA
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I got my job when i was naked, drunk and in a singlet and boardies.
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| #20 07:18pm 25/03/09 |
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`ViPER`
Posts: 944
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Turned up for an interview today without a tie and unshaven, it was only for a Senior Tech Job, I didnt realy want the job, but I was just applying for everything, They didnt nominate a pay scale in the add and just said generous.
Anyway I got the job and they want to pay about 10k less than i want so I said ill get back to them. |
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| #21 07:20pm 25/03/09 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 15771
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Should have worn that tie then.
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| #22 07:23pm 25/03/09 |
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`ViPER`
Posts: 945
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Also, job agency's suck, f***ers dont even put me forward for stuff, unless you get in as soon as the job goes online. Surely they should be looking for the best person, not the first person.
I've now had 4 job interviews this year, 2 I had a call back within the hour saying I got the job, 1 gave me the job on the spot, the other called back to say they decided to promote internal people, so they job didnt exist anymore. So it seems if the job people actually put me forward for the job, i get it. |
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| #23 07:25pm 25/03/09 |
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Minxy
Posts: 1038
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I usually overdress a bit for interviews. I don't think anyone's going to say "Oh that person was a little too presentable"
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| #24 07:25pm 25/03/09 |
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`ViPER`
Posts: 946
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I usually overdress a bit for interviews. I don't think anyone's going to say "Oh that person was a little too presentable" Yeah same, where the good work shoes that are still shiny and a tie, never gone the suit jacket, seems a little wanky to me for a tech job. |
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| #25 07:27pm 25/03/09 |
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XaltD
Posts: 470
Location: Queensland
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So i have interviewed quite a few people in my time, one allways stands out.
This guy wore a safari suit. Then when the interview started he was very, i mean VERY confident. He knew everything we wanted to, i asked him why is he was dressed in a safari suit - he said "Because there are plenty of people in suits, i have no problem wearing one, in fact i love wearing them. How ever, i want you to remember me. I want the job." He got the job. |
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JigZie
Posts: 3207
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Perfect if you ask me
http://www.mtctickets.com/concerts/images/insane-clown-posse.jpg |
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MrHardware
Posts: 4607
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Suit and tie ya gronk. It said corporate. Sssshheeesh, kids these days.+1 |
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HERMITech
Posts: 5906
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Nothing quite as funny as seeing a tech in a suit get covered in dust an crap....
An I think that once the current suit wearing crusty generation have retired, most people won't care how much you spent on your suit, it will go back to whether you can do the job. |
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Infidel
Posts: 2748
Location: Netherlands
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Nothing quite as funny as seeing a tech in a suit get covered in dust an crap....Can't say I've ever seen anyone turn up to an interview with crap on their suit .... you into some kinky japanese stuff brudda |
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| #30 08:12pm 25/03/09 |
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Raven
Posts: 3507
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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I don't ever want to have to work for a company where you're required to wear anything better than jeans and a tshirt. Anyone who thinks wearing a suit makes you perform better as a software developer shouldn't even be allowed to work in the industry, thanks. There's a good reason I don't apply for client-facing roles.
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Tim Tibbetts
Posts: 2110
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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If you're a software developer, and you're not presenting to clients, then yeah I think a suit is overkill.
I work in a law firm in IT and I get away without a suit and tie - although I probably should wear a tie, but no one has said anything yet and it's been 3 years :) |
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HERMITech
Posts: 5909
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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You obviously haven't seen what is inside some PC's when they are brought in for service.
I only touch keyboards that pass a blacklight test. |
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infi
Posts: 11776
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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BARNIE STIMSON WEARS A SUIT TO BED SO STFU
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| #34 09:40pm 25/03/09 |
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Hogfather
Posts: 2498
Location: Cairns, Queensland
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An I think that once the current suit wearing crusty generation have retired, most people won't care how much you spent on your suit, it will go back to whether you can do the job. Depends on the role, always has and will. There's been generational change in this s*** for hundreds of years without it really changing. Today's live free and unfettered young dude is tomorrow's crusty old c*** bitching about the little prick in the interview in thongs. |
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HERMITech
Posts: 5910
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Unless your applying for a job as a deckhand/diving instuctor, you turn up to a job in thongs, you ain't getting the job,
Firstly, I've worked in construction then both corporate and small business environments. Dress appropriately for the job or you come off looking like some pretentious prat if you wear a suit. |
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| #36 10:33pm 25/03/09 |
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Pinky
Posts: 1105
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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+1 for wife beater instead of singlet Strongly concur. |
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| #37 11:21pm 25/03/09 |
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tequila
Posts: 1804
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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dress for the position you want years from now, not the one you have (or are applying for in this case)
I literally wear shorts and a tshirt to work every day (working in IT) but you can bet your sweet ass when I had the interviews I was wearing a suit & tie |
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| #38 11:27pm 25/03/09 |
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maxe
Posts: 13729
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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dick out
show em u aint playin |
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| #39 11:39pm 25/03/09 |
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Articuz
Posts: 324
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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So i have interviewed quite a few people in my time, one allways stands out. This guy wore a safari suit. Then when the interview started he was very, i mean VERY confident. He knew everything we wanted to, i asked him why is he was dressed in a safari suit - he said "Because there are plenty of people in suits, i have no problem wearing one, in fact i love wearing them. How ever, i want you to remember me. I want the job." He got the job. wow.. that's incredible. |
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Viper119
Posts: 1112
Location: UK
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I've interviewed and hired lots of people, I'd definitely hire a dude in a safari suit.. that is awesome. In general you should be suited and booted. |
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| #41 12:04am 26/03/09 |
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trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 26437
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I don't ever want to have to work for a company where you're required to wear anything better than jeans and a tshirt. Anyone who thinks wearing a suit makes you perform better as a software developer shouldn't even be allowed to work in the industry, thanks. There's a good reason I don't apply for client-facing roles.ditto except replace jeans with shorts or trackies |
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| #42 08:02am 26/03/09 |
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Alt_F4
Posts: 853
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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So i have interviewed quite a few people in my time, one allways stands out. This guy wore a safari suit. Then when the interview started he was very, i mean VERY confident. He knew everything we wanted to, i asked him why is he was dressed in a safari suit - he said "Because there are plenty of people in suits, i have no problem wearing one, in fact i love wearing them. How ever, i want you to remember me. I want the job." He got the job. Sounds like you got tricked by a guy in a safari suit. |
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| #43 08:44am 26/03/09 |
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mooby
Posts: 4723
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i always dress down, wear ripped jeans and a t and a cap. act confident. get the job.
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| #44 09:04am 26/03/09 |
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tequila
Posts: 1806
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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ah the old safari suit trick eh
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| #45 09:33am 26/03/09 |
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TicMan
Posts: 4402
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Went the whole hog, even splashed on some fancy after shave and am now looking at round 2 next week.
Typically I would do the whole suit + tie thing, but when a company advertises itself as a casual and relaxed environment with guys wearing SINGLETS then I had to get a second (or 40th) opinion. |
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| #46 10:48am 26/03/09 |
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Triamks
Posts: 1972
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Nicely, done TicMan.
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| #47 11:12am 26/03/09 |
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dynamite
Posts: 1312
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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It's called a singlet, we're not in America and you're not American. The call it a vest in London. Confused the f*** out of me. |
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| #48 12:41pm 26/03/09 |
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Raider
Posts: 2416
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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coporate interview = suit and tie, enough said.
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BillyHardball
Posts: 8897
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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It's called a singlet, we're not in America and you're not American. We still beat our wives though while we're wearing Bonds. |
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| #50 01:27pm 26/03/09 |
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Pinky
Posts: 1115
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Did you mention your previous experience at Skytec? Reminded me of this quirky but funny vid. Job Interview from Ben Schwartz on Vimeo. |
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Infidel
Posts: 2755
Location: Netherlands
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i ususaly wear suits to an interview cause i like to go to a fancy restaurant later on and drink wine from the bottle
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| #52 05:52pm 26/03/09 |
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 2973
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i cant beleive you didnt follow my suggestion
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| #53 07:14pm 26/03/09 |
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IncrEdible_vEgetable
Posts: 1505
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Suit and tie to the first interview, unitard with your balls hanging out one side to the second round.
It shows you can adaptable, fresh and sexy. When asked a question tug thoughtfully on your ball hair. It shows you are listening intently and really considering your answer. |
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koopz
Posts: 7574
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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if you know what they want to hear and see.. then do it to succeed
oh wait.. that's what idiots who work for wages think :/ |
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koopz
Posts: 7575
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I need a second Qgl account here for this or something:
some of you who are reading this are better than you know you are and need to work for yourselves instead of working for wages pay us a tax or something for the enlightenment... ta |
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Bats***
Posts: 588
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Starting your own business is the dumbest thing you could do.
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| #57 11:38pm 26/03/09 |
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infi
Posts: 11780
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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working for wages is for chumps.
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| #58 11:47pm 26/03/09 |
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Hogfather
Posts: 2499
Location: Cairns, Queensland
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Starting your own business is the dumbest thing you could do. Hehe |
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| #59 12:31am 27/03/09 |
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Spook
Posts: 24623
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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im much much happier working for someone else
i dont need the stress and bother of running my own business; |
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Hogfather
Posts: 2501
Location: Cairns, Queensland
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Its not for everyone Spooks, but its also not a 'stupid move' by any stretch of the definition.
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| #61 11:09am 27/03/09 |
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infi
Posts: 11782
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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In fact business relies on a plentiful supply of worker drones.
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| #62 11:14am 27/03/09 |
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Spook
Posts: 24627
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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im a reasonably high level up drone!
they pay me good, and i can go home at the end of hte day and not worry about work! beauty; |
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Pinky
Posts: 1124
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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My personal opinion is PAYG employee is good while you are young, before first house, etc. Makes paperwork simple Your own business later when you know how the system works (ATO) and you are prepared to accept the responsibility of finding work for a lot of other people and manage cash-flow risks (companies not paying what they owe you). The only exception to this would be if you want to start a business that is heavily in demand for some reason - then it can sustain a lot of hits because presumably it will be high-profit. |
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Hogfather
Posts: 2502
Location: Cairns, Queensland
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In fact business relies on a plentiful supply of worker drones. Yeh an explosion of Petite Bourgeoisie could really f*** things up. |
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mission
Posts: 4880
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Is that your business infi that you started and built up, or did you recieve a platter?
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Le Cock
Posts: 4985
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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http://ultratechno.net/su/Cashflow_Quadrant.jpg
Left side = no work no pay Right side = get paid no matter what. choose how you spend your time last edited by Le Cock at 12:23:52 27/Mar/09 |
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| #67 12:23pm 27/03/09 |
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infi
Posts: 11785
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I work for my family company. But I did leave a high paying job to work there.
You make it sound like a bad thing. |
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Pinky
Posts: 1127
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Le Cock your pretty picture is missing the reason - the reason why the right hand side makes more money is because they are prepared to accept the associated risk. Unfortunately a few on the right hand side fail, and if you fail on that side you are in a lot more strife than if you fail on the left hand side. |
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Bats***
Posts: 591
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so infi youre a drone as well.
i hope by high paying job you dont mean 50k a year. edit:drone not drown. last edited by Bats*** at 21:10:33 27/Mar/09 |
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| #70 09:10pm 27/03/09 |
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Le Cock
Posts: 4986
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Although i think you've over-simplified it because there are many more reasons, the first half of your point is valid. I strongly disagree with the second part though. |
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infi
Posts: 11786
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Bats*** I am not so much self-employed as a business owner. I do work for a salary presently, but I am wholly responsible for the affairs of my family's company and eventually will own it.
So there's not much point having an easy come easy go employee mentality is there. What Category do you fall into Bats***? last edited by infi at 14:06:13 27/Mar/09 |
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d[o_0]b
Posts: 2975
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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heh.. drowns these days
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tequila
Posts: 1823
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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yeah them damn drones i tell ya
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| #74 02:41pm 27/03/09 |
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`ViPER`
Posts: 954
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Owning your own business is obviously the only way to get super rich(lottery excluded), but being just an employee can get you a pretty decent income to buy most of the things you wanted and still have a family life.
Owning and running your own business requires you to be a certain type of person, which most people arent, extremly self motivated, live to work, risk taker etc And alot of business owners fail, not becuase they arent smart enough or didnt work hard enough, but becuase factors outside there control deemed it to be that way, its a right time right place kinda thing, obviously a realy ambitious person will just try again after failure, but alot of people just arent in the position to do that. |
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Alt_F4
Posts: 854
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Owning your own business is obviously the only way to get super rich(lottery excluded), This isn't necessarily true (depending on your definition of super rich). It's possible to pull in several hundred thousand a year in select professional fields (law, medicine, finance, engineering etc) |
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Superform
Posts: 5401
Location: Netherlands
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do both.. invest and work..
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Pinky
Posts: 1136
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Owning your own business is obviously the only way to get super rich(lottery excluded),This isn't necessarily true (depending on your definition of super rich). It's possible to pull in several hundred thousand a year in select professional fields (law, medicine, finance, engineering etc) I dunno about the other professional fields but it's pretty damn hard in engineering - just looking around quietly. Chief Engineer in a respectable company might get $130k. |
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MrHardware
Posts: 4615
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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In Le Cock's diagram, on the B&I side, i'd like to see what percentage of people own the vast majority of the 95% wealth. I'd say within that there'd be a similar figure of ~20% of the B&I people account for ~80% of the B&I wealth.
Just remember quite a number of super wealthy people started life as everyday joes working for big firms doing normal people work. The usual secret is, is that they didn't accept that as their life long situation, and did something about it, due to good luck, a bright idea, intensely hard work or a bit of all. |
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orbitor
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Chief Engineer in a respectable company might get $130k. chief engineers can net a lot more than that. look around some more :) |
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Hogfather
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The thing is though, if you are making an executive salary you have a f***tonne of responsibility, and are probably working your arse off donig stupid hours just like the dude running a business.
Its pretty hard (effectively unpossible?) to get a cruisy drone job with no stress for 6 figures net. |
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The thing is though, if you are making an executive salary you have a f***tonne of responsibility, and are probably working your arse off donig stupid hours just like the dude running a business.hard, maybe. unpossible, no. |
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| #83 02:49am 28/03/09 |
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Viper119
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I would say not unpossible at all, particularly in the enterprise sector, you can get high up, have a fat salary, and not really have to do anything. I know lots of people like this. My flatmate is a PA for a high up dude in the public sector, one of 3 PA's, and they pretend to do work for him because he has nothing to do.
Random example yes, but its exists everywhere. The question is if you'd be happy with that or whether you have the personal drive to be achieving s*** with your life. |
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Hogfather
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And these people are netting (ie take home) more than 2k per week?
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MatchFixer
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I know no one on here is going to net 2k per week, especially when using words like "unpossible".
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| #86 10:37am 28/03/09 |
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I was thinking more about the management side of things, managers in decent engineering firms pull in quite a bit. |
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Hogfather
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I know no one on here is going to net 2k per week, especially when using words like "unpossible". Its a Simpsons reference you twit (troll?). Ralph is awesome. Obviously people use the same language on QGL as in business documents, amirite? last edited by Hogfather at 14:16:41 28/Mar/09 |
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Fizzer
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What would you know hog... your name has hog in it! But it says father.. and dads know s*** right. hmm now i'm just confused.
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typo
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Just walk in and take a s*** on the conference table. They'll remember your interview forever.
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