I was thinking of getting into Kickboxing as a casual way of exercising.

Any good places around Brisbane that arn't focused on training professional fighters where i can go and learn the basics and get a decent workout?

PCYC has it at Suncorp but it's no contact. There is a Southbank one but it seems rather exy. Also was looking at Valhalla Muay Thai in valley as i walk past that each day but they seem to be about training fighters, not just for exercise.

Want something that is pretty full-on workout and actual sparring. Also, Thuesday night would be awesome so i can choose between kickboxing and jujitsu as i feel like it.

Any help is appreciated.

i [OSWEC] doubt [OSWEC] theres [OSWEC] any [OSWEC] place [OSWEC] that [OSWEC] does [OSWEC] contact [OSWEC] sparring [OSWEC] and [OSWEC] doesn't [OSWEC] want [OSWEC] to [OSWEC] train [OSWEC] fighters [OSWEC]

so you want to learn to fight and fight people

but you don't want to be trained to be a fighter....

just train to become a cage fighter, like me

last edited by paveway at 10:43:54 16/May/08

you can train at most dojos without entering any amateur bouts if you want
unless things have somehow drastically changed in the last 10 years, which I guess they could've

What i meant was i am not in it for competitions. Some places i have looked at so far have basically said they are there to train fighters for competitions.

Some places i have looked at so far have basically said they are there to train fighters for competitions.

Some places will say that because they thinks it gives them credability. But they will take people looking for fitness too.

Some places i have looked at so far have basically said they are there to train fighters for competitions.

You will find this is the most likely case for anywhere that takes it training seriously. I trained in a place that trained guys for comps and you learn so much more. If you want fitness do boxercise or something like that a gym. But from my personal experience nothing beats getting smacked by someone who knows how to hit.

seriously want a good work out want to fight.. but also want fight... do WTF taekwondo.. that what i do... we body and head kick full contact... just no punching to the face...

we have comps on during the year and its Olympic sport!

where i do it we also have boxerise class and kick fit class....

last edited by TiT at 11:06:54 16/May/08

sounds f***ing awesome dirtyape ^

ive got a black belt in no-can-do

Just head along, I did Muay Thai for ~2 years, you won't be sparring anytime soon so don't worry about them only training "fighters". All the conditioning and bagwork is pretty intense, I wasn't allowed to spar for ~4 months. I had 2 fights before I stopped, it's amazing how f***ing hard the beginner 90 second rounds are.

kung fu > kickboxing

kung fu > kickboxing

you really sure about that? I have been watching and practicing martial arts for a long time and I going have to disagree with you. Watch MMA comps and see what style works best and you will find it is not kung fu.

and you will find it is not kung fu.

or kickboxing. By itself.

I do Boxing at Langpark PCYC @ and I can guarantee you it'll give you a good work out. Unless you are super fit I have not seen anyone lasted the whole 2hrs class on their first night there (but if they come back for the next 2-3 classes they usually do and loved it so much they keep coming back). I used to do Muay Thai @ Bruce "Preacher" McFee gym at Bowen hills but they've move away about a year ago and I've been doing straight boxing @ Langpark PCYC and I enjoyed it just the same.

If you really are serious they can train you to fight as well, as a matter of fact we have 2-3 fighters in the class and they are top blokes, you'd never met a nicer people if you try, they're not all what you think.

And if you want to do a bit of sparring after class you can do that too with headgear etc.

last edited by Opec at 12:51:00 16/May/08

From watching a few of those multi-style fighting comps, it seems that various forms of wrestling beat pretty much anything else. A few hits here maybe one there and BAM they are hugging on the ground. Boring to watch.

or kickboxing. By itself.

Hell no, you need a multiply of styles to do any good. Every form has its weakness and no style is perfect.

Sif kung fu isn't teh awesome

elvis did muay thai, I forget the name of the dude but he is northside still. jason? joe?

elvis did muay thai

BIG DEAL OOOOOHH IM SO SCARED

You seem to be adding alot to this thread maxe.

+1 for WTF based TKD. 95% of people doing it do not compete but you can go all the way to the olympics if thats your thing. Just try lots of different clubs to find the one you like (different branches of the same club even will be different in style and feel).

So thats where Elvis got all his movies for when he was up on stage dancing?

might've been joe hilton (warriors dojo), although caloundra is a bit beyond nth side

that movie gimpy posted.. i just do not understand that s***

why are they slapping each other? ok sure they can move their hands at 1000 miles per hour

are they actually fighters? is that just training? or is just proper fighting. i dont get it

it might be because it's not feasible to do anything more than slapping with a sparring partner
just a guess

kung fu > kickboxing

kung fu isn't even a particular martial art... like wu-shu it can mean pretty much any form of self-improvement training. it's just the chinese way of saying 'good onya m8' ;p

You seem to be adding alot to this thread maxe.

shutup obes

hehe, cause those "slaps" are f***ing lethal is why :)



All martials arts are cool, don't get me wrong, I just love kung fu

While I don't think it's really practical compared to other styles... it definitely is the coolest :)

What's with the stereotype of bald/shaved head people headbutting? ;)

well hair is quite restrictive really - so once it's out of the picture...

token kungfu clip courtesy of The Prodigal Son

I do straight boxing at West End Boxing Gym (guess where that is) and its great, awesome fitness and you can spar if you like and if you take a liking and do want to fight at some stage the trainer will get you ready for that too, i highly recommend it.

QGL boxing match, i'm calling maxe out as my first opponent

He was trained by a game named Joe, so i got that right :)

But the gym was owned by Ian Jacobs - who looks like a complete tosser and I have heard he is.. but I wouldn't say it to his face :P

He is now a trainer with these guys - http://www.powerhousenrg.com.au/

dunno, only met him briefly a couple of times

Check out Redbacks at the Nathan/MT Gravatt Griffith campus.
Kru Neil Waldron is who i used to train under.
Very laid back guy, comfortable place to train. You can choose to train for whatever reasons you like. Fitness, self defence, fight prep...whatever you want.

my mate has a few tips in his black belt in karate, and some other mates use to do muai thai... they met a bloke who used to fk around in the UFC so friendly egos started to say who could beat who... the ufc fella put them both down in about 15 sec of sparring :d

That PowerhouseNRG looks promising because i can walk to the Valley one in about 5mins or less. Though they only do a Hit Fit thing.

Anyone have any information on that Hit Fit program?

still yet to see pretty much any kung fu experts kick ass in the UFC, its a combination of standup, wrestling and jiu jitsu that is the winning combo over and over. kung fu doesn't work when someone isn't just standing there waiting to be hit after throwing a standard attack punch. if theyre actually fighting an mma fighter, they get their asses handed to them, search youtube for the brazilian jiu jitsu vs whatever..

i train at NTG windsor with nugget and soren from contender asia, am heading to cambodia soon to train Pradal Serey, an offshoot of Muay Thai.

What side of town are you from? i could reccomend several stables

last edited by d[o_0]b at 17:47:29 16/May/08

elvis did muay thai

I think elvis did karate

still yet to see pretty much any kung fu experts kick ass in the UFC, its a combination of standup, wrestling and jiu jitsu that is the winning combo over and over. kung fu doesn't work when someone isn't just standing there waiting to be hit after throwing a standard attack punch. if theyre actually fighting an mma fighter, they get their asses handed to them, search youtube for the brazilian jiu jitsu vs whatever..

i dont know what ufc is like these days but back in the very early ufc grapling dominated the game.

heh i remember the first american tournament and some kick boxing guy was allowed to wear a boxing glove on one hand, he couldnt get any grip so he got completely thrashed.

Ian Jacobs ran a gym near Fortitude Valley, reasonable prices, can pay extra for 1on1. If you want to spar him I guess you could, but I wouldn't suggest it.

Good old heavy bag.

Its good fun, get into it.

the strongest style imo is pankration and the root of all martial arts. i'd like to see a modern ufc fighter take on an ancient olympic pankrateon champion.

heres some stories ripped off some random site: (warning wall of text ahead)

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One famous tale concerns the champion Arrichion of Phigaleia, who fought his last pankration match in the 564 B. C. Olympic Games. During the bout Arrichion's opponent tried the klimakismos, leaping onto the champion's back and strangling him furiously from behind at the same time as he wrapped his legs around Arrichion's waist, locking his insteps behind Arrichion's thighs and squeezing. In a last ditch attempt to extricate himself, Arrichion hooked his right leg behind his opponent's right foot and threw them both backwards to the ground, breaking his adversary's ankle in the process. As they tumbled backwards two things happened at the same time: Arrichion died from breaking his own neck while the other contestant, screaming in pain after having his ankle snapped, raised his hand in defeat. After a brief conferral the judges laid the laurels on the dead champions corpse.

Eurydamas of Cyrene became also a legend following a combat: having received a blow, which broke several teeth, he preferred to swallow them rather than to give his adversary the satisfaction to have succeeded an effective attack. Mouth shut, he continued the combat and won.

It should probably be noted that the toughest of these fighters was rumored to be a man by the name of, Dioxippus. Dioxippus was an Olympic champion who, beyond the Olympics, was apparently able to defeat one of Alexander the Great's famous fighting soliders ( named Coragus ). It appears that Dioxippus did this while naked and armed only with a club in hand while his adversary had a more complete arsenal of weapons and was dressed in full armour. His fame and skill were such that he was crowned Olympic champion by default in 336 B.C. when no other pankratist dared meet him on the field. This victory was called "akiniti" and remains the only one ever recorded in the Olympics in this discipline.

During one infamous match that had dragged on into early evening, the contestants, Damoxenos of Syracuse and Kreugas of Epidamnos, agreed that each would accept an undefended blow. Kreugas went first, delivering a punch to his opponent's head. Still standing, Damoxenos jabbed Kreugas with his fingers straight out, piercing his rib cage. Damoxenos yanked out his intestines, killing him on the spot. Damoxenos was expelled, although seemingly on a technicality: The judges deemed the disemboweling to be several blows (one for each finger) instead of the single agreed-upon blow.



last edited by arclore at 19:36:22 16/May/08

"pankration" - bulls*** martial arts have evolved so have humans. I'll bet current champions would win over any ancients champions. That's like saying Bruce Lee would tear up in todays MMA competitions.

Valhalla is a cool place. You will train in beginners for about 3 months then move up to the advance classes. You will spar in advance class but don't have to worry about it in beginners. You don't have to fight to train there. You may get an itch to compete amateur if you train over time though.

Just be consistent, most people come along train for 2 weeks then leave. there is no point coming 2 nights a week one week, one night the next, none the next week, 2 nights again next week and 4 nights the next. You will learn nothing. Just be consistent.

You can also Box at the Valley PCYC.

Where do you live? i'll tru to help you out.

used to go to a school that would teach traditional wing chun, bjj, and a mixed system of the 2 with some muay thai chucked in.

it was sick i'd still be doing it if the school didn't f*** off to browns plains.

martial arts have evolved so have humans. I'll bet current champions would win over any ancients champions.

Evolution doesn't necessarily mean getting better, it means adapting to changes from environmental stimulus. Ancient champions would probably win different kinds of fights vs current champions.
For Example, there would probably be much better sword fighters back in the days of many swording duels then today. Simply because the competition would be more diverse and intense.

i'd like to see a modern ufc fighter take on an ancient olympic pankrateon champion.

I think theonly thing the historic fighters would have in their favour would be he lack of "political correctness", i.e. they could basically be animals and no government body would tell them too much blood, no biting etc.
But today you have steroid fed gym junkies and they have much better health in general, look at the average height now compared to a few thousand years ago, the ancient fighter would get mauled on physical characteristics alone.

Also that wall of text looks like something you would see on a bulls*** website trying to sell you their "anient secret martial art that kills navy seals". (I know its probably wikipedia but thats what those websites do)

an average ancient pankrationist would s*** all over todays fighters. you're kidding yourself if you believe otherwise

times were a lot tougher back then


last edited by arclore at 20:36:32 16/May/08

do brazillian jujitsu, way better than most other fighting styles imo.

i have a few mates that do it and man i've seen them f*** a few guys up with their locks/grapples etc.

haha

/cue thread derail into pissing contest about which martial art is best

also weren't people in ancient and medieval times like really small compared to today? it'd be like bashing midgets!

Can someone tell me the name of that kickboxer/mma style dood who is undefeated and was posted on a UFC thread here a while ago?
He's light heavyweight IIRC.

I'm pretty sure he was....asian.

edit: I think this was the guy I was thinking of...Fedor Emelianenko.
And yes I know he's not asian.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Fedor+Emelianenko

last edited by IncrEdible_vEgetable at 21:33:26 16/May/08

do brazillian jujitsu, way better than most other fighting styles imo.

Yeah, but who likes rolling around on the floor with sweaty guys besides your mum?

times were a lot tougher back then

Which is why fighters today would be in much better physical condition.

i don't know if you're trolling or just an idiot but ill bite anyway

better physical conditioning pfft.. it amounts to nothing anyway when you're dealing with people that fight and kill people for survival every day

todays techniques of physical conditioning are piss weak.. try marching with full armour thousands of km's whilst killing whatever is in your path. Alexander the Great's army did that and guess what, their initial combat training was pankration

ever heard of marathon? I suggest you read about it's history

last edited by arclore at 23:07:48 16/May/08

ever heard of marathon?

Its like the prequel to halo or something isnt it.

wholey f***, just watched some of those vids incredible_vegetable and i got to Fedor Emelianenko vs Hong Man Choi....... i think that guy is an actual giant.

fedor is nothing short of a god hahaha mortals

have a few mates that do it and man i've seen them f*** a few guys up with their locks/grapples etc.

to bad you look like a complete f***** and will get knocked out before you even get inside someones stance to start anything..

The fact is if it came down to it in a real fight most styles of kickboxing would win followed by boxing, i've seen some good martial artists come to boxing gyms to spar and they are very fast and technical but when they get hit by a real punch that don't know what to do.

that's not a fact at all, this gay topic has been done to death.

i've done different martial arts, boxing and kick boxing. its not the same thing as getting in real fights. if you wanna get good at fighting you have to be one of those tossers who looks for fights.

winning a 'real' fight has only a little do with the training you may have had, more to do with your experience, personality, size/conditioning and random chance. i don't like fighting, it's pointless and stupid.

ps. i love how gaming forums are always so gung ho arguing about this kind of s***. compensating much?

used to go to a school that would teach traditional wing chun, bjj, and a mixed system of the 2 with some muay thai chucked in.

it was sick i'd still be doing it if the school didn't f*** off to browns plains.

Hey taggs, I went to the same school when they were in the city :) Was such and awesome school and yeah it's a pity they've moved to Browns Plains :( Just too far for me to go train consistently.... I'm about to do some Krav Magna for a more complete programme. Boxing is cool and all but, I miss kicking, elbowing, grapping etc :(

d[o_0]b, Morgan - I live on Water St in Spring Hill.

Keato - Cool, might check that one out as it's 5mins walk away.

jim:- stop calling muay thai stables dojos!

thai vs kung fu (wing chun) - u will notice 99% of mma fighters using thai strikes when standing up, if this says anything. (leaving the grappling outa this for now)

tagss:- “used to go to a school that would teach traditional wing chun, bjj, and a mixed system of the 2 with some muay thai chucked in.” – this sounds a lot like jeet kun do. Was the guy running it a pommie dude with a thai background called Steve Compton? He was teachin at powerhouse in the valley a few years back, very practical.

Powerhouse also have a stable in at Stafford on wolverhousen street, underneath intergrated martial arts (MMA). It’s run now by this kiwi dude called Andrew, his classes would be suited to what you wanna do I’d imagine. Very beginner friendly for the early classes.

By the sounds of it i'd stear clear of nuggets gym. NTG in windsor.

Valhalla in the val would be ur best bet then


Valhalla Muay Thai Stables 217 Brunswick St Fortitude Valley

last edited by d[o_0]b at 16:25:05 17/May/08

Yer valhalla is run by Jim Cass, i'd go as far to say that it'd be inbetween Nuggets gym (training fighters/thugs) and Ian Jocobs gym in stafford (beginners).

I don't want to

yeah it was good huh opec =(

nah gaz it wasn't jeet kune do but similar kind of approach. it was called the wing chun combat centre i think.

Um i used to train at valhalla like 2/3 years ago, was great for both beginner and advanced and jim was a top bloke.

For reference sake though, i was told recently that jim no longer teaches there, he teaches exclusively at tweed now. So I'm not really sure if the place has gone down hill or it is still as good as it used to be.

ATM, one of Valhallas fighters Josh Byrnes takes advance class. Jim comes to bris once a month. He hasn't taught classes for a few years just privates for people that want privates and his fighters.

I hear AoT.jim runs classes at seven elevens

It's not quite local, but I'm currently finishing up 5 weeks in Phuket (Thailand) at this place http://www.rawaimuaythai.com. All up inc. plane, accom, training, pushie, food n bev it's come to under $2k AU.

It's been great for general fitness and weight loss, and has kick-started a bit of drive in me so that when I get home I'll keep training (although I'm gonna stick with boxing cause my leg reflexes are balls).

There are a few links from that site as well to QLD gyms if you're interested.