I've seen a few things when hunting or butchery in small villages but I dont think I;ve seen this yet

thats f***ed up. just like those dolphin oiling industries

That's fkn pisspoor.

ah jeez :/

another interesting thing I found out today, if you play on german dod servers dont say or display anything from WW II :( When I was back in Aus I played with a nickname of "Hero of the SS" for a few years on GA and node servers. Jumped on a german server here and got banned instantly ...

Thats so f***ed, wtf is wrong with these people!
Wheres my skinning knife....I got me some chinks to skin!

Fresh is best

That is just f***ing disturbing.

f***ing china, lets start skinning em see how they feel... jesus.

That is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen

God I wish I hadnt watched that. Theres not much that makes me feel ill but that did it. Truely disturbing.

I know thats the point - shock tactics and such - but that was horrible.

I don't mind watching people get skinned but it's different when it comes to defenseless animals.

I don't mind watching people get skinned but it's different when it comes to defenseless animals.

lol

Man that is traumatising s***.

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again... China should be nuked off the map.

Useless POS country, they have no souls.

thats so sad...

killing dolphins, whales, skinning s*** alive... when is the hitler for asians going to come

Thats f***ed

I would happily kill any c*** involved in s*** like this. No regrets, no hesitation.

yer pretty fuctup stuff. asif wear animal furs in any case! we aren't living in caves anymore ffs.

but it is kinda a bit hopeless expecting 3rd world countries that don't even have good human rights to start enforcing animal rights. even 1st world asian countries like singapore still 'live cook' a lot of animals & no one batts an eye to it. last bbq i had in singas they had live crayfish wrapped in alfoil, all wiggling n trying to get free, & they just chuck em on the hot plate n let em die slow n painful :/

cooking seafood alive is a bit different to skinning an animal while it is still alive.. and then is still moving around with no skin on it for ages...

cooking seafood alive is a bit different to skinning an animal while it is still alive.. and then is still moving around with no skin on it for ages...

Both are bad... seafood feels pain too.

cooking seafood alive is a bit different to skinning an animal while it is still alive.. and then is still moving around with no skin on it for ages...

I know, the poor things could catch a cold

Don't really wanna watch it but judging by the comments there should be a disclaimer on it.

grow some balls and watch what happens in the world instead of living on mummy's nipple nitro

its a bit easier to watch than hearing a horse screaming in pain

cooking seafood alive is a bit different to skinning an animal while it is still alive.. and then is still moving around with no skin on it for ages...

true they are different, but my point was that some people don't care if animals feel pain when they make use of them. in that regard it doesn't really matter if the animal is a cute furry or a spikey crustacean, it's still pain.

i, like most people, have gone fishing n killed fish in a way that wasn't exactly humane & would have caused the fish immense trauma before it died, without any feeling of guilt or remorse. & yet when i was a kid i was horrified watching my grandfather brand & castrate bulls... yet to him it wasn't creul, just business. :/

harden the f*** up ppl. they are one step down the chain and that's the way life is.

the hypocritical bulls*** coming out of peopole's mouths. you scream in horror when you see a video of it but have no f***en idea of the wholesale "atrocities" committed in order to bring food to your plate.

I don't reckon it's that black and white, and neither does the law of many countries

f*** that made me sick. poor little fellas

Wow, from my point of view, infi just went from 'opinionated loudmouth that posts on QGL' to 'utter f***head that posts on QGL' in one post. Top effort, you made someone on the Internet think less of you today.

f***en gooks.

dan, i don't agree with it, but don't you think it's hypocritical to wail on about human rights when indirectly your own consumption behaviour (assuming you're not vegetarian, and don't personally slaughter all your own meat) is most likely the cause of much animal misery?

is that the word you'd use to describe the animals depicted in that vid? 'miserable' ?
I agree that some reactions to it can be hypocritical, but you're making a pretty far-fetched comparison

that is f***ed up...

I wasn't gonna watch that cos I had an idea of what it might be like.

I'm glad I did though. f*** fur.

whatever keeps the prices low imo

let it be

dan, i don't agree with it

Well that completely contradicts the attitude that came across in your previous post.

For what it's worth I'm not vegetarian but I do have a predominately vegetarian diet. Regardless, you can't seriously be comparing that footage to the way livestock is processed in the Australian food industry. Sure, they both end up with dead animals, but if you can't see the difference or just don't give a s***, then my comment stands.

cya clint

I regret nothing!

Holy f***, I can't believe how f***ed up that s*** was. WHY do they keep them alive? What reason could they possibly have to do that? I'm sure that the fur industry is never going to go away, but for f***'s sake, they could at least be humane about it. Jesus f***.

Also, bye Clit.

infi wins in this thread, honestly i was having this discussion with my mum call be strange but i don't get animal protection, sure we need to use them in a responsible and sustainable way but honestly i don't give a f*** about them beyond the fact that we don't want them to be extinct. And I don't buy the would you like someone to treat you this way argument, because uhh obviously no, cause i'm a human with conscious thought......

does anyone in this thread eat chicken that is not free range, if the answer is no, or wait you ever eat hjs or maccas then shut the f*** up and go cry about whaling (another bulls*** beat up of another countries culture).

final thought, animal rights movement is an off spin of disney culture that trys to caractature animals as people

your brain just dribbled out of your ear

lol what happened to this thread, ive been to fur farms in eastern europe/russia and they definitely arent run like the chinese ones. they usualy make the animal unconcious properly once and then kill it. skinning happens when the animal is dead

its just a humane way of doing it and cant see any argument why it should be done the way as above

humane is a relative emotion, chinese people don't think they are doing anything wrong when they kill animals in this manner, let them arrive at their own appreciation of right and wrong. I just don't see why we care about animals emotions so much as opposed to the humans around us (yes yes, i know to wrongs don't make a right however...)

wow what a f***ed up website clint...

ugh "the Beijing news....were so shocked they published this article despite the usual ban on articles that display chinese industry unfavourably" give me a f***ing break, if the article could have been censored it would have been, typical f***ing beat up on chinese media masquerading as some kind of pseudo youtube news article. PETA are not far from a quality source of information.

funny thing is clint the picture i found most disturbing is that hotty that hung herself.

harden the f*** up ppl. they are one step down the chain and that's the way life is.

the hypocritical bulls*** coming out of peopole's mouths. you scream in horror when you see a video of it but have no f***en idea of the wholesale "atrocities" committed in order to bring food to your plate.

Get a clue d*******. There are humane options.

whatever keeps the prices low imo

I hope your kidding, if so, whatever, if not, your a fukin idiot.

Infi & Jabroney, this ones for you.

http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/et/images/head-up-arse.jpg

wow, my internet just uncapped itself so I got around to seeing this and that's some pretty horrible things right there.

Pretty sure anyone ok with it needs to have some skin of their own removed forcefully and see if their opinion changes.

Fair enough if that was the only method of survival back in the stone ages and you needed to eat and warmth. But the difference is those animals are being tortured and horrifically treated for non-necessity items.

It's not eve that though, there's no reason why they can't just put these poor animals down before they skin them. I'm sure that the skin trade is ALWAYS going to be around, but seriously, I see NO reason at all that they should be kept alive during the process. That'd be like if the slaughter houses just tied down the cows and started filleting them before they killed them.

Yeah, I don't see the point in keeping them alive either. I'm opposed to fur enough as it is, but at least to put the animals down instead of skinning them alive and breaking their necks wouldn't be quite so barbaric

brb buying fur coat

I don't buy the would you like someone to treat you this way argument, because uhh obviously no, cause i'm a human with conscious thought......

You do realise animals also have conscious thoughts don't you? I really hope you don't own any pets.

if the article could have been censored it would have been

If you don't think the Chinese media is censored then you don't know much about China. Even Google is censored in China.

I've said it many times before and I'll say it again... China should be nuked off the map.

Useless POS country, they have no souls.

China is far from a useless POS country, I think you'll find they're one of the major reasons why our country has a good economy at the moment. I think you actually get dumber with every post you make.

humane is a relative emotion, chinese people don't think they are doing anything wrong when they kill animals in this manner, let them arrive at their own appreciation of right and wrong

I agree we should let cultures have their own sense of right and wrong, for example I don't agree with middle-eastern countries treating women as second rate and making them cover themselves completely - yet I don't think we should stop them from doing it, but I think the point of the PETA video is to try to stop Western countries from driving these industries by purchasing the products.

P.S I'm not some veggo hippy either, I think meat is deliscious! I eat it three times a day.

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Yeah no doubt some pretty insensitive and deluded logic going on with some people here. There's a difference between killing a defenseless animal for food and resources (part of the food chain) and skinning them alive. I'm no hippy either I eat probably more meat that anyone on this board lol.

grow some balls and watch what happens in the world instead of living on mummy's nipple nitro

lol big man on campus. If you said that to my face you'd be the one on mummy's nipple. Second thoughts - you probably wouldn't say it all.

Fur != food != survival
Fur = stupid human need to look good

We're at the top of the food chain yes. Killing animals to survive is nothing different to a lion hunting down a zebra and eating its guts out while it still might be alive coz the lion doesnt have a captive bolt or zat gun to knock it out (Lions with Zat guns hmm..).

But slicing and tearing of the skin of an animal while its still fully conscious is just majorly f***ed up. Humans dont need racoon fur or dog fur to survive. We're causing conscious, thinking, living beings just like us extreme trauma and pain simply so we can look better when we walk down the street.

These animals may be bred just for this, but people shouldnt need to cause them agony and make their last hour on earth a hellish painful nightmare just because they couldn't be bothered making them unconscious or killing them first.

Oh and I'll add a 'think about it' statement:

Imagine if you were in a queue and in front your sister or brother was being beaten and stood on then had their necks broken and people started slicing their skin off as you stared into their eyes...

ffs animals don't have consciousness in the human sense of it, mountain gorillas are the only animals which even understand self awareness.

My brother isn't a stupid f***ing fox 3dee he's a human, good that's the dumbest animal.

By your logic; "Imagine if you were in a queue and in front your sister or brother was being led into a giant factory only to be processed and made into sausages."

Realistically speaking, that video put a few things out of context.

If one was to skin an animal, it would be hard to skin it if it was alive and wriggling with pain. This is why they break the spinal chord first. In all sense, that wolf(?) would have been unable to "feel" anything at all, since the nerves would be separated from contact with the brain.

Consciousness does not mean the ability to feel pain. Humans can stay "conscious and blinking" up to 9 seconds after complete decapitation. The video pointed this out clearly, but focused on the consciousness of the animal, not the "pain".

There are cases, however, where instead of snapping the spinal chord, all they do is break the bones of the animal, and while the animal is not moving, it is indeed feeling pain, which is downright f***ed up. However, if the animal WOULD be in fact feeling incredible amounts of pain, it would still writhe about, becoming an inconvenience for both the handling and skinning of an animal.

Can you imagine the amount of pain it would cause you being skinned while still in contact to your nerves? You would pass out from the pain within 15 seconds, maybe less.

Now I'm no veterinarian, but from what I can deduce, in terms of how much "pain" the animals would be going through, I can't see it to be as horrific as I first thought.

I would, however, prefer them to be put to sleep instead of bashing them to the ground. And if in fact my theories are wrong, then that s*** is f***ed up, yo.

This is why they break the spinal chord first. In all sense, that wolf(?) would have been unable to "feel" anything at all, since the nerves would be separated from contact with the brain.

They'd still be able to feel pain above the neck though, and that last image of the skinless fox moving its head around was the most disturbing shot in the whole film. I'm sure it would have been in a huge amount of pain, despite it feeling below its neck or not.

How many people do you see lying on the operating table watching their surgeries? You're not just put to sleep to stop the pain...Animals have conscious thought just like people do. They feel pain as we do. They get distressed as we do.

They'd still be able to feel pain above the neck though,

How about the part where they're standing on the fox's neck while its still alive and standing on its head. Would that not hurt like f***.



Some of you people don't understand the similarities between humans and animals. We are animals. The only difference is our capacitance for learning, and highly complex thought. Why do you think elephant's mourn the death of a relative or family member? It sure as hell aint because they're "instinct" told them to cry while standing next to the body. Animals aren't simply drones like most of you people are somehow lead to believe. Would you like your wittle Rexy beaten to the ground and skinned alive?

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sick video but worthwhile to see

ffs animals don't have consciousness in the human sense of it, mountain gorillas are the only animals which even understand self awareness.

Well aren't you a c*nt. Do you think animals do not have a sense of pain?

I dunno what studies have shown about which animals know what's going on, but just from observing how animals behave, not just pets, but small simple animals in the wild, you can see they are concerned about their own well being, they panic when they know they're f***ed, and they get upset when they've been screwed. Now they may not be able to express that well enough to convince most people, and I tried to deny the s*** at first too, but it seems to me most animals are thinking about what is going on.

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are the only animals which even understand self awareness.

That would have to be up there amongst some of the most conceited statetments ever uttered by homo sapiens....

I'm no tree hugger yet that sorta ignorance makes me sad to be AWARE ....

cause i'm a human with conscious thought......

Yeah because all animals exept us are drones driven by instinct right?

I call bull f***ing s***. Back in 94' when i lived on an island in png, 2 volcano's blew at the same moment. I happened to be away from my house at the time. The whole town was off limits but i managed to secure a pass to get back in a week later. My house and everything was completely destroyed but 2 of my 3 dogs survived by digging burrows under the house. Ever since then, every time there was a thunder storm they would absolutely s*** themselves unless they were under my bed. But hell, they don't have a brain to remember such horrid things that happened years ago right? I mean they are just dogs....

Useless POS country, they have no souls.

Well they do make more than half the s*** that's in your house... That being said, the level of human and animal rights in China disgusts me. That and their gross socioeconomic inequality need to be addressed before they'll be anything more than a third world s*** hole trying to act grown up.

ffs animals don't have consciousness in the human sense of it, mountain gorillas are the only animals which even understand self awareness

Even if this were true, how is that any sort of justification? Animals are can feel suffering, and given the option I would gladly pay double the price I pay now for meet if I could be guaranteed that animals didn't suffer in the production process.

final thought, animal rights movement is an off spin of disney culture that trys to caractature animals as people

Final thought, learn to edit.