Hey guys not sure if this a repost or not but anyway it's probably the best thing I'll ever post here that doesn't relate to my car. I just watched all 5 parts of this doco on youtube and it is really a awesome watch about money, power and history. check it out here:

Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVNN1wqw3k
part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPFgHF9VR4

i will dl and have a look.

i liked how there is no law that requires american income tax to be paid. the rest of it is fairly uncontroversial.

i liked how there is no law that requires american income tax to be paid.

I believe once again this is a work of a tin-foiled hat wearers (don't you just love the internets):

Tax imposed

And

The Tax protesters FAQ

he federal income tax is unconstitutional because it is a “direct tax” that must be apportioned among the states in accordance with the census.

False. It is true that there is an apportionment requirement in the Constitution for “direct taxes,” but the 16th Amendment clearly eliminates the apportionment requirement from all taxes on incomes.

Before the adoption of the 16th Amendment, the constitutionality of an income tax was determined under Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 of the Constitution, which states that:

"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

The reference to the "Census or Enumeration" was a reference to Article I, Section 2, of the Constitution, which directs that:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

("All other Persons" meant slaves.)

Whether or not an income tax really was a “direct tax” within the meaning of the constitution will be discussed in other sections of this FAQ, but the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1913, removed all doubt about apportionment because it clearly states that:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

Following the ratification of the 16th Amendment, Congress enacted a general income tax, and the constitutionality of that tax was challenged once again, but the Supreme Court held unanimously that the income tax was constitutional because “in express terms the Amendment provides that income taxes, from whatever source the income may be derived, shall not be subject to the regulation of apportionment.”
Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916).

So yes, people have to pay taxes. You know what they say about death and.....

figured as much. there is also a tin foil hat legal argmument that the Australian Constitution is invalid but that was rejected by the High Court several years back.

Twas an interesting watch but the dude narrating couldn't even pronounce "colonel" properly. He was saying col-own-al. Unless that's what they were originally called backed in the civil war times.

the world bank thingo is only part of zeitgeist.. the other 2 parts are about how all religions are based in astronomy & 'the 911 conspiracy' :P it's kinda sad coz i really got into the part about religion... it seemed to make good sense & was well presented. but then the 911 & world bank parts were just too crazily tinfoilhatty to be believable. so i did a bit of research into eygypian religions & quickly found that most of thier speil about religion wasn't accurate either... just more loosely connecting dots at random to produce a feasable sounding story.

The specific stories about Jesus are amazingly similar to various egyptian and iranian stories about similar characters, and yes they're all based on personified tales of astronomy. The idea for Jesus was such a hit because it was based on such a classic age-less story, done in the style of a greek tragedy, but set in a jewish pageant which made it very appealing to Rome (where our 'version' of christianity comes from). At that time the jews were spinning stories of having egyptian heritage, which made them seem like a more 'exotic' culture than they really were. Don't need some conspiracy video to know that so I didn't watch it.

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the stories about jesus being another sun personification diety as portrayed in zeitgeist are amazingly similar... but unfortunely a lot of the information they quote in zeitgeist as fact is misinterpretted or incorrect. i agree that the way they have presented thier 'story' does seem to make sense... a lot more sense than real dieties... but they let themselves down by quoting 'facts' that are not verified or consistant with eygyptian mythology.

for example.. the zeitgeist blokes claim that horus has a virgin birth on deceember 25, but eygyptian mythology states that horus was the son of isis & osiris. this is just one detail amongst many that the zeitgeists ppl quote incorrectly. sure you could still argue that a particular interpretation still points to all religions being based on astronomical observations & i would agree but these zeitgiesters are just a bit too loose with thier interpretations to be given real credability. also... the world bank & 911 stuff is upfront tinfoilhat craziness.