Where do teachers get off? I have a lot of mates teaching here in the UK.

First, they get 12weeks off a year, compaired to my 20days. (Excluding public holidays). But they are still bitching about pay.

Second, its not like they didnt know what the job would intale, they just had 12years work experience.

So i say to them this,

hours at work a day (6) x days of the week there at work (5) x weeks per year they actually work (40) divided by there pay and youll see there actaully on a good wicket.

I know a few of you are still at school, so if any try that "wait till your in the real world BS", remind of that fact.

/rant

I have alot of friends who are teachers/studying to be. The stories you hear are amazing and very funny :D They get the best holidays for an job imo. But they have to put up with constant s*** from little pricks and bitches so its all good.

A girl I used to work with became a PE teacher and she got paid holidays to go skiing with the students. A free ski holiday FFS. How awesome would that be.

8-)

The teacher's pay debate is a funny one. In Australia they only get paid for 5 hours work, which is between 9-3 - 1 hour lunch break, but no teacher gets a one hour lunch break :P For starters most lunches are only 45 minutes long :P

And then there's prep time, before and after school, interviews, exams, marking, assignments, class preperation etc. The teacher who I work under spends most weekends and holidays preparing for next term (She's a damn good teacher and likes to change the room each term, at the moment we have ghosts, dragons and spooky spiders everywhere, it's fantastic.

However, that said, I don't agree with the constant striking and whining and everything. I work 48 hours a fortnight - (I know not much but small school and I get small hours as a result) and I get $551 after tax :| Teacher work a "50 hour" fortnight and get double that.
That sucks :(

However, that said, I don't agree with the constant striking and whining and everything. I work 48 hours a fortnight - (I know not much but small school and I get small hours as a result) and I get $551 after tax :| Teacher work a "50 hour" fortnight and get double that.
That sucks :(

Is that a weekly wage or fortnightly wage? If it's a *weekly* wage then that's a pretty awesome pay. If not then that a very s***ty pay.

Sif you wouldn't be a primary teacher if you really wanted to do teaching.

High School? Yeah right.

Is that a weekly wage or fortnightly wage? If it's a *weekly* wage then that's a pretty awesome pay. If not then that a very s***ty pay.

what he said ^

Is that trainee or something?

yer, shame teachers have to deal with todays kids though

both my oldies were teachers and both had to get out early before they had nervous breakdowns

teachers earn every cent they get paid

while the teachers might only get a 45 minute lunch break, they will also get a morning tea break.

and all the extra hours they put in for, that they're not getting paid for, WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.

Hours they are in class < hours they actually work.

HAhah, without teachers this country would become really stupid, really quick...

and all the extra hours they put in for, that they're not getting paid for, WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.

Well umm those extra hours are kinda mandatory considering all the new policeys the govt keeps introducing.. eg Year 2 evaluations, yr 7 standardised testing.. Continual implementation of syllabus documents under the Qld smart state initiative.. Put on top of that extra curricular activities, sporting teams etc...

The lunch debate is an interesting one, mostly that 45 mins will be spend supervisiing children.. well atleast the first 10-15 will be, if the teacher doesn't have duty eg more supervisision of students, then they might get away with 20mins lunch before there is an accident or something else requiring their attention....

But seriously, numbers in classrooms is beginning to become a joke... 50 students to one class, granted there will be 2 teachers running the show, its still 50 kids.... Say with a regular class of 25-28 a few might be screwing around... In a 50 kiddie class its asif the noise and whatever sorta spreads around them all.. one little pocket might be making noise then that'll sorta spread to another etc.. Quite hectic stuff...

while the teachers might only get a 45 minute lunch break, they will also get a morning tea break.

BY LAW in EVERY JOB there is a 15-20 minute PAID break within the day.

Is that a weekly wage or fortnightly wage?

Fortnightly :/ $13ish an hour :| Hopefully next year more kids will = more hours = more money. Hopefully.
And then in a few years time I might be doing more admin than I am teacher-aiding and thus more money :P

what are teachers on now anyway, about 45 - 50 ?

most teachers would realise going into it that they're not going to be making big money.

and while i do realise that every year more legislation is implemented to make schools better, that eventually mean more hours for teachers, it's the same in preety much every industry. And you are also on an annual wage increase inline with inflation. so while it wouldn't be ludicrous to say that you worked 9 - 5 most days, thats a fairly average work day for the rest of the country.

you should then also note, that you do have more scheduled vacation time than any other industry i can name. i'm not saying it's teachers fault, or thats why your doing it, but it's true.

Australian's have the second longest working week on average in the world. so it's nothing new to this country that people put in extra hours.

the amount of kids in a classroom thing is a bad joke though. anything over 30 and the quality of education just drops.

i'm all for teachers and what they do, i think education is great, and one of the things that makes this country the best to live in the world, is that it's taken seriously by everyone here. but at the same time, no state in the country can afford to pay teachers 60 000 a year in state schools with out going bankrupt, or not having public healthcare.

Clearly teachers are putting in over 6 hours work into a day, if they're only being paid 5 hours, then they have a right to be s***ty about it.

My parents are both teachers, and they not only are at school 8 hours a day (minimum), but also do several hours of prep / marking each night. Then, there is always the abusive parents, the legal tightropes and the snotty little brats to contend with. Being a teacher is no cake-walk!

Funny you should say that... I only just recently heard about some doctor's wife (a primary school teacher) earns like $39 an hour, which is like double my rate, and gets more than twice amount of my holidays. She reportedly earns easily more than her husband.

So how much exactly are teacher's annual salary like? And do they get paid overtime?

LD99 - I'm not sure of their average wage (for a public school btw, the drs wife may have been a private school teacher) but they don't get paid overtime :/

whats up Doctor LD? ;)

Fortnightly :/ $13ish an hour :| Hopefully next year more kids will = more hours = more money. Hopefully.

Damn that's a pretty s***ty pay..

Grosby ever thought about getting into Private school teaching? From what I heard they get pay way better and the number of kids per class is reasonable and also the facilities are far superier. Is it pretty hard to get a job in private school as a teacher?

I'm just a teacher aide :P and I like the security of a Public School :)
I also LOVE my school! It's very very small and the kids are wonderful, last year I worked at a school full of spoiled brats - this year it's just wonderful :)

Hopefully the school will grow next year which will grant me another day (I only work 4 days at the moment :/)

Both my parents are secondary teachers.

I can't imagine putting up with the s*** kids get up to every single day without going berserk.

Not a job for me.

First, they get 12weeks off a year, compaired to my 20days. (Excluding public holidays). But they are still bitching about pay.

The holidays are the only redeming feature of the Education Teachers package.

Then again they are supposed to do there teaching plans and what not during a lot of those times ...

Second, its not like they didnt know what the job would intale, they just had 12years work experience.

They don't have a problem with the job details ... They have a problem how the state governments organise the place, and how much they get paid.

hours at work a day (6) x days of the week there at work (5) x weeks per year they actually work (40) divided by there pay and youll see there actaully on a good wicket.

They are the lowest paid professionals in Australia, and just to add insult to injury they are the lowest paid teachers in any first world nation.

At the moment teachers are fleeing this country in droves to places like Enlgand Canada and the US because the pay packages are so much better.

most teachers would realise going into it that they're not going to be making big money.

If you had any clue to what they are asking for ... Queensland teachers have to fight each year to get there pay raised with Inflation. Thats what the current pay battles are about ... not about making more money, but making the same as they where last year, while taking into consideration infllation.

Most people don't have to fight for that ... If you are on award wage somewhere employeers have to automaticly increase your pay. Yet every couple of years teachers have to fight their asses off to get the same pay rise as everybody else in the country.

i'm all for teachers and what they do, i think education is great, and one of the things that makes this country the best to live in the world, is that it's taken seriously by everyone here. but at the same time, no state in the country can afford to pay teachers 60 000 a year in state schools with out going bankrupt, or not having public healthcare.

I am currently working as a tutor at uni, and if I was working full there my year pay is around 47k yearly, more if I work there for a year let alone being a lecturer at uni. My mother who is a teacher earns 56k yearly, but she has been a teacher now for nearly 20 years. Does that sound like a good career prospect?

Grosby ever thought about getting into Private school teaching? From what I heard they get pay way better and the number of kids per class is reasonable and also the facilities are far superier. Is it pretty hard to get a job in private school as a teacher?

Teacher Aid prices are normaly the same all around ... Also the private education system requires people to work their fingers to the bone for what ever money they recive. A very close friend of mine worked as a head of faculity for a large private school and I hadly ever saw her, she had to work so hard.

My parents are both teachers, and they not only are at school 8 hours a day (minimum), but also do several hours of prep / marking each night. Then, there is always the abusive parents, the legal tightropes and the snotty little brats to contend with. Being a teacher is no cake-walk!

Yeah you hit the nail right on the head ... A lot of people belive that teaching is like some pansy easy job ... it isn't, it is a total c*** of a job that only highly educated and talented people can do.

However with the s***ty education department and the fact that nobody opens funds up to education they keep hiring crap.

Scary thought for everybody, only half of the current teachers in Queensland are due to retire in the next 10 years, and there are not enough people applying for jobs as teachers right now to fill all of the current positions.

Yay for state education!

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Grosby you are lucky to get that many hours as a Teacher Aide. most are less hours than that if you can even find positions.
I worked as Group Leader (Rascals and other nightmarish centers) for quite a while but it was too time consuming. I was spending at least an hour every night doing programming for the next day and that was without doing progress reports on the kids. Then weekends were for catchup on other parts of the work. All unpaid.
I've also tried After-School care which was slightly better but now
I do KindaDance. More money more fun less work.
The Childcare Industry needs an overhaul. All teachers years 0-12 and beyond deserve much higher rates of pay. Children are the future and you can't retain quality staff to teach them unless you pay teachers quality wages.

Grosby you are lucky to get that many hours as a Teacher Aide. most are less hours than that if you can even find positions.

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Most get 60 hours a fortnight (9-3 5 days a week) And most of the positions are unfindable as they're already department owned jobs. With the rise and fall and unpredicability of student numbers in the public system, a lot of aides are forced to transfer at the end of the year - then another school who's lost a teacher aide picks them up.
I was extremely lucky to get a traineeship (which isn't based on numbers) then I was able to do a base level transfer which landed me at my new school... this year they're not allowing Trainees to transfer once their 12 months is up :/ That's really rude becasue a lot of schools are taking on Ttrainees to do extra duties and extra teacher aide work for a year (as numbers often are too much even for the alloted t/a)

Teacher pay is pretty terrible all things considered.

They get awesome holidays, but they have to do plenty of work outside their normal paid hours. Marking and lesson plans are a f***ing lot of work, and they don't get paid to do any of it.

this all gets down to the fact that our government is quite retarded and instead of looking at education as an investment they look into it as a liability

well let me tell you ... this government is a liability

Whomever started this thread and/or agrees with the starter is illinformed or just plain stupid.

NO, YOU'RE A LIABILITY DARIUS.

Funny, my parents are both teachers, and I dont see them working 5 hours a day and partying the restof the time.

They get to work at 8am, prepare stuff for the coming day (eg print out stuff, photocopy), then have roll call, then work till 3pm teaching, then work till 5pm doing other teacher related stuff.

Then, they come home, have dinner, then work till 10pm marking and setting exams and so on.

Oh, and then theres the most of the weekend spent marking assessments for year 12.

And then, half the holidays setting course curriculum stuff for the next term or year.


Sounds like a bludge to me... I know when I was a kid, I enjoyed being told we couldnt go out for the weekend or camping etc cos my parents were busy marking. We even used to do a "round table" marking thing when there was multiple choice to be marked.. ie dad read the answers, my sister mum and I would mark papers, just so we could get some time together on a weekend.


Until you get into the senior teacher/head teacher/executive roles, teacher pays suck ass. I was earning more in my first IT job out of tafe than they were when they had been working 6 years as teachers.

Senior teachers earn 55-65k, junior ones 25-40k. But when you divide this by the 12 hours a day they work, its not huge hourly rate.

There are some really bludgy teacher roles (eg PE, mathematics), but also some really tough ones (my dad teaches english, history and careers, mum teaches 5 languages).


Plus, lets not forget just how nice kids are these days... my mum is regularly called a "dumb slut" and "bitch" by snotty nosed year 7 kids, and has been assaulted and spat on by same little s***heads.


Teachers are under appreciated, under paid and under resourced for what they are expected to do... how about a little respect for what they are trying to to... help kids.


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Plus, lets not forget just how nice kids are these days... my mum is regularly called a "dumb slut" and "bitch" by snotty nosed year 7 kids, and has been assaulted and spat on by same little s***heads.

My mother had a kid bring a knife to school and threaten to cut her face off and eat it. He was in grade 6.

The best part about that story was the Social Worker who kept saying that he was just mis-understood, untill he went nuts in the foyer and attacked her with a chair.