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Dan
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In a frankly amazing display of corporate humility, and a victory for consumer rights, Microsoft executives have yielded on restrictive DRM plans for the Xbox One, with a blog post from Interactive Entertainment President Don Mattrick announcing that the company is relaxing the proposed restrictions on the upcoming console, to be more like the Xbox 360 --dropping the requirement of online check-ins for games purchased on blu-ray disc, allowing unrestricted secondhand distribution. We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.The announcement goes on to confirm the complete removal of the 24 hours authorisation requirement, although Internet access will be needed for the console's initial setup. Further, Microsoft remains committed to day and date digital download releases for all games at the same time as boxed copies retail, and Mattrick's comments even confirm that there will be no region locking: In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.Disappointingly, plans to allow sharing or trading of digitally-purchased games look to have been canned as a result of the change, with the assertion that "Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold" --a scenario that gamers are accustomed to with most digital download software, but a step backwards nonetheless. Games purchased on disc will also now need to remain in the disc drive during use. Gamers wanting the convenience of no disk-changing can opt for the digital download purchase instead. The Xbox One console is due in November 2013, in 21 markets including Australia, North America, and Europe, for AUD$599, USD$499, GBP£429, and EUR€499 |
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Mosfx
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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Cool I might actually consider this instead now, PS4 or the Xbox One will now be decided by the game line up |
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The GuVna
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Haha beaten by 3 minutes :)
To summarize In a very strong about face, Microsoft is changing their policies concerning DRM and the Xbox One, their next generation console. Here's a quick rundown of the details, in case you want the too long, didn't read, version. |
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Eorl
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Holy wow. That was a) very quick and b) very unexpected. I guess that seals the deal for me in my next-gen choice with all the features it has to offer. Stunned. |
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scuzzy
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All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360Man the wording of that could almost be interpreted as backwards compatible games. |
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The GuVna
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Twisted
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Mmmmm....XBox One is starting to look sweet now. |
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Reverend Evil™
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You know why they call it an xbox one? Because when you see it you turn one degrees and walk away. |
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Viper119
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Cripes! Well at least they listened and responded! That's pretty impressive in itself. I had almost acquiesced to just buying a new xbox 360, looks like the xbox one will be sweet now. Though the 360 will be dirt cheap once the one comes out no doubt... |
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mental
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They'll probably still head in that direction but do it bit by bit instead of too much at once.
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groganus
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So i wonder how it will work now, will Games still install to the HDD and just not work with out the disc, or will they play straight off the disc? IMO if Microsoft wanted to get rid of media they should of released a "cheaper" model with out a disc drive that was digital download only... This still doesn't change my decision to hold off purchasing an Xbox One at launch |
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TufNuT
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so what they will do is drop it for now, once people have bought enough of them they will re-enable the DRM.. kind of like Sony did when they disabled the ability to install Linux on the PS3..
Sony have gone from scumbag Sony ps3 to good guy Sony PS4.. how quickly people forget.... note: I am not a console gamer... so excuse me while I get on my high horse and ride away :P |
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groganus
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That's nothing like what Sony did, Sony disabled a feature that was being used by 1% of PS3 users to prevent people from pirating games... 99% of people don't and didn't miss it. Except for one fat guy from sydney who sued sony for the cost of his ps3. |
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Hogfather
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Location: Cairns, Queensland
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Did he win? |
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TufNuT
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That's nothing like what Sony did, Sony disabled a feature that was being used by 1% of PS3 users to prevent people from pirating games... one could argue that same apply to the DRM, the average person /mom/dad buying a console wouldn't have a clue about the DRM and the only people who would care are the minority. The point I was trying to make is, companies like sony or ms can and will add/remove features as they see fit. so just because they are saying "Hey guys look we disabled the DRM" doesn't mean they wont re-enable it. MS has made its intentions very clear, this is something they want, only reason they backed down is to bury the bad press and Sony has been beating them over the head with this. |
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| #14 09:07am 20/06/13 |
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BladeRunner
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Damn, now everyone will get a Xbone. Ill stick with PS4 and wait and see what happens when both come closer to release. |
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Zakson
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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Xbox One Eighty = win.
You know why they call it an xbox one? Because when you see it you turn one degrees and walk away. You'd have to turn 180 degrees to walk directly away, which I think you are trying to imply. Turning 1 degree is barely walking away at all; at best it's mildly drifting in an almost parallel direction. Maybe if you walked for an hour you'd be far enough away to say "I walked away" but until then, I think you are still in support of the Xbox One and have failed in making your point. /davidmitchell |
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ThunderBunny
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I agree with tuFnuT You dont just go from badarse tuff guy to soft pussy cat in the blink of an eye. They will appease the masses with candy to make sales, then watch the restrictions creep into the system siting bulls*** statistics about rampant piracy and such..... |
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groganus
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The point I was trying to make is, companies like sony or ms can and will add/remove features as they see fit. so just because they are saying "Hey guys look we disabled the DRM" doesn't mean they wont re-enable it. Couldn't agree with you more, Sony themselves have said that they see the console market changing to a more digital distrubtion system.. The difference being that they don't want to make the change, just be prepared for it. Microsoft want to force that change because its inline with the rest of the Microsoft products and thats ok. But instead of trying to make a console with confusing policies and systems, they should of made an Online Only console that was purely digital distribution with no way to accept physical media... The community would still bitch, but I don't think it would of been on the level it has been. |
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Coldy
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I think ThunderBunny is 10000% correct. There's no way they will give up that easy.
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dais
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But instead of trying to make a console with confusing policies and systems, they should of made an Online Only console that was purely digital distribution with no way to accept physical media... The community would still bitch, but I don't think it would of been on the level it has been. Yeah I agree, they should have upped the ante straight away with this system instead of pussy footing around and putting people off side with confusing DRM. A console with pure delivery like Steam (and preferably cheaper games because of reduced production costs) would have been acceptable. |
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Eorl
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Sad that they had to kill the family sharing aspect, was really interesting concept being able to lend games on whim. Though with these regional restrictions being lifted I'm half tempted to buy one from America for the cheaper price. |
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eski
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This still doesnt inspire much trust, it just shows that the people running the show at Microsoft are out of touch and s***ting themselves. Still cool to see, good for Sony forcing MS' hand. |
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Zapo
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I'm actually kinda miffed about the whole thing to be honest. Not having to play with a disc, and the family sharing thing seemed kinda cool. So yeah, I can understand why a lot of people were pissed about the 24 hour check and the fact you couldn't loan games, but for me personally, I will be more annoyed now then before. I guess the big thing is for MSoft that there's no longer a differentiation between the PS4 and XB1 when it comes to playing the games. |
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trillion
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you can stick this thread right in the marketing department. it's been an amazing lesson in product design and development though, even if it never happens.
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ravn0s
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well this was completely unexpected. it will definitely make the console war more exciting now.
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parabol
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People keep saying they're doing a 180 on this. However I see it as someone else said on slashdot, that it was just a trial balloon. They just want to see what they can get away with by announcing controversial stuff a long time in advance (before too much is committed) and waiting to see if there's a large enough negative reaction ... if not, full steam ahead. Someone will get fired for this. Not for proposing the crazy DRM, but for not getting away with it. |
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Fixah
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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So does that mean if I buy an xbone from America it would now work perfectly fine here in oz?
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Eorl
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Presume so Fixah. Time to rev up the import thread? |
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Khel
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Well thats kinda crap, they just nuked one of the features I was most excited about with the XBox One. I couldn't care less about having to be online once every 24 hours, but the shared library stuff sounded really awesome, it was the feature I had been talking up to other people as one of the main reasons to look forward to the new XBox. Now its just the same s*** we've always had :( Seems like a very shortsighted decision to make. |
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Mives
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Just when I thought I was out, MS drags me back in....... |
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Fixah
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Presume so Fixah. Time to rev up the import thread?Nah just curious but now that you mention it.. In other news I was going to buy the xbone purely for K.I cause I'm chump material when it comes to it but now this just a bonus for me. Basically don't count on me to stand up to anti-consumer practices by big corps when it comes to my fighting games, but a big thanks to those that do! |
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kappa
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So we can't now choose the previous option of always on and never having to put discs in? |
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Tollaz0r!
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Hmm, I thought the 24hr check in was a big part of their anti-piracy stuff. Guess it isn't that important, sweet. I wonder what trickery they have under the hood for anti-piracy.
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Khel
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Hmm, I thought the 24hr check in was a big part of their anti-piracy stuff. Guess it isn't that important, sweet. It was important when they were going to have an online games library ala Steam, with the ability to share your games library with people you nominate off your friends list, and not having to have the disc in the tray to play games you've bought. Now all thats been scrapped though. |
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maRtz
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It's too late Microsoft.
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ravn0s
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it's funny how a few days ago they said it was too hard to remove the drm because it's built into the system and now a few days later they do this.
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Taipan
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f*** micro soft f*** the xbox and f*** consoles in general The only thing any console is good for is playing fifa against my son :-) |
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Taipan
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f*** micro soft f*** the xbox and f*** consoles in general |
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E.T.
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maRtz
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haha funny..
I don't understand how people are now mad keen for xbox after they remove DRM.. Sony are the ones who put their best foot forward and impressed us, we should reward Sony for that and boycott the xbox 180.. haha I love that |
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kappa
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Bah
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Sony are the ones who put their best foot forward and impressed usI thought they just didnt piss anyone off? |
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IVY_MiKe
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I could care less about the whole 'MS V Sony' thing on consoles; this disappoints purely based on it 'retarding' eventual digital distribution. I'm quite keen to see how organisations handle 'game-sharing' (even more to a point would be 'game-trading'... finish a game and give it to a friend to plough through.) |
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parabol
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I could care less about the whole 'MS V Sony' thing on consoles So you care to some extent? |
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Khel
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This is a pretty good writeup about it, reflects basically how I'm feeling too http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/06/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault/ |
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kos
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This is a pretty good writeup about it, reflects basically how I'm feeling too Why does it have to be all or nothing though? It was just too soon to force people to need internet always and forever, but it wasn't an impossible scenario for probably the majority of Xbox One users. Why couldn't they just leave games purchased digitally the way they were, and have disc-based games not ever require internet check-in? That way if you wanted to live the Microsoft dream for the future you could just buy games digitally, and if your situation prohibited that or you didn't want to live with the extra DRM you could purchase games on disc. Is it really that hard? PCs did it just fine with having the option for either a disc-based game or buying it on Steam. It seems a bit less like MS doing an about-face and saying "sure, we'll give you what you want!" and more like them having a tantrum saying "fine, if you are going to complain then you get NOTHING, scrap the whole thing!" <FaceMan> Why is consumer choice always the least desirable option ? </FaceMan> |
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eski
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What an infuriating article. Don't blame the consumer because Microsoft is caught like a deer in the headlights. If they had faith in their scheme they wouldve told the noisy gamers to f*** off. The writer's assertion that everything was going to be roses on the new xbox is also entirely subjective, and more than a little naive. Not much has changed beyond one set of rumours and speculation being replaced with another. Just looks like another Kotaku article written to troll its readers. |
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Whoop
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Still needs the kinect to be connected to function from what I hear. |
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crazymorton
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All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360 Is this the case? Can someone advise. |
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TufNuT
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Is this the case? Can someone advise. no backward compatibility, its a completely different architecture. AFAIK |
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kos
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Yeah all they're talking about there is how the DRM will work, in that you will need to have the disc in the drive to play the game. |
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Whoop
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Yeah all they're talking about there is how the DRM will work, in that you will need to have the disc in the drive to play the game. I don't see why they can't do it like some PC games do. Install game, activate game, play without disc. When you want to get rid of it, de-activate and be rid of it. Only really ever seen a couple of games that work like that but it's still nice. I hate all this cloud based s*** because not everyone has fast internet or unlimited quotas. Some of us are still stuck in the 1800's as far as internet goes and if I download just one game on steam that's it, I'm capped. I can't justify paying $200 a month for internet. |
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Fixah
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$60 a month unlimited adsl2+ with tpg is your friend. |
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ravn0s
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so the rumour going around atm is that the family sharing thing wasn't full games but only 60 min demos.
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