A couple studies suggested a statistical significance in reducing HIV,


actually if you read the meta analysis, most studies suggest that circumcision produces a statistically significant reduction in HIV.

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I had the chop .. it sucked, couldn't walk for a year.

u butcher hog :P

can totally understand in a situation like that were infections are a problem, but if nothing is wrong and they still chose to do it.

I'd imagine its not good for a baby to have such a shock(like some of its dick gettin chopped off) to its sytem.

i thought it was pretty much painless now though.

Hogfather did you have it recommended through the Private Health System ?
As a parent you prolly took the best option recommended to you so Im not going to attack you for doing it. Man has survived pretty well without circumcission in far less hygenic situations than middle class homes, its not neccesary.

Condoms are the natural enemy of Religion because condoms stop the manufacture of more subjects. In a continent with barely any education in most countries Religion is extremely powerful in Africa. Its the tool used to control the masses and it tells people that condoms cause AIDS and dont work. I think that constututes a Crime against Humanity.

God, I hate religion.

Cutting anything off on either male or female is a stupid archaic action. I dont understand why there is a law against it for females though, if they WANT to have it done, let them. Same with men, if you choose for that, good for you - people should be allowed to choose.

Despite me feeling like no one should do it, man or women, im open for people to make up their own mind.

lols, anytime you got faceman and thermy on your side, its time to rethink your stance

hahaha

like spook in an election thread?

You guys carry on like Mean Girls.

thermite as in all academic disciplines there are differing opinions. there are academic studies out there discrediting the premise of global warming but most people seem to side with the international bodies (e.g. IPCC) who review all the evidence/research then state an opinion.

i'm not on of any kind of high horse - you seem to be taking this a little personally. i think the best prevention of aids is education and condoms as i have stated several times previously. however, there is a significant body of scientific research that suggests circumcision can help reduce the transmission of AIDs and so this shouldn't be ignored, particularly for areas like africa where education levels and condom usage are very low.

i'll repeat myself again - i think all effective measures should be enacted including education, condoms, and even the kind of cash payment schemes that mantorok linked to. but to ignore the consensus of organisations like the WHO and CDC for the odd peer reviewed article (you think those organisations don't review all available research?!) is a bit retarded.

lols, anytime you got faceman and thermy on your side, its time to rethink your stance

haha, so true.

There are many people, such as the jews, that have been waiting for decades to find something, anything, that justifies male circumcision.

not really, circumcision rates have plummeted dramatically in pretty much all western societies except for the US. but yes, i'm sure these medical study results are purely a result of jews and other vested interest groups looking for ways to validate their cultural practices and not legitimate medical research looking for ways to curb the AIDs problem sweeping the globe. thermite: super rational as always.

/tin foil hat

people should be allowed to choose.

People don't get to choose though, their parents do.

me on my special day....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w277/famsar/circum1.jpg

MUST!

CAN'T NOT

Taggs, It's pretty clear you don't know, or care, much about this topic. For you, this is just an opportunity to have a go at faceman, so you quickly formed an opinion and now you're stuck with it.

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It's just that you made it out as if there wasnt an overwhelming majority of studies that reported the reduction in HIV.

Hogfather did you have it recommended through the Private Health System ?

Public system recommended the action. Interesting that the paperwork says "family requested" rather than the accurate "doctor recommends" though. There's some seriously political s*** going on with circumcision in the health system.

We're probably going to lay down the $ to get it done privately though as I dont want to wait a few years (IMO hes already old to have it done at 2!). Its not gonna be cheap as its being done under general anaesthetic.

As a parent you prolly took the best option recommended to you so Im not going to attack you for doing it. Man has survived pretty well without circumcission in far less hygenic situations than middle class homes, its not neccesary.

Its not necessary no - but lots of medical procedures we do to relieve suffering aren't strictly necessary for survival.

Despite me feeling like no one should do it, man or women, im open for people to make up their own mind.

So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about whether or not their new born should get the chopp?

Dudes that don't 'Go Helmet' are a bit like hairy eastern european chicks.. eww

So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about their new born?

Me? Yes. We chose not to circumcise the boys at birth and support a choice.

I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing. Fortunately I'm not the king though and everyone has their own road to walk :)

Dudes that don't 'Go Helmet' are a bit like hairy eastern european chicks.. eww

If the chick I'm with doesn't like the look of it... I just stick it somewhere she cant see it... over and over and over again... :)

helmet for life, im never going back.

helmet for life, im never going back.

Yeea!! I love mine, in fact I often spend serious time decorating it. Sometimes it's red like a clown nose, sometimes camoflaged ...

at the moment I am wearing the classic 8 ball look, chicks love it.

Taggs, It's pretty clear you don't know, or care, much about this topic. For you, this is just an opportunity to have a go at faceman, so you quickly formed an opinion and now you're stuck with it.

i've actually done a bit of reading on it which is why faceman's utterly retarded opinion stuck out like a sore thumb.

but if you think of yourself as the resident qgl expert on cock i'm sorry if i offended your sensibilities by posting my opinion backed up by the official stance of legitimate world health bodies who base their stance on scientific research.

anyhow, carry on - i'm done with this one :)

I bet my cocks better than yours.

Since nobody here knows me as me then i can safely share this bit of info because it will be anonymous.
My old man whos like 60 somthing had some problem with his dick and the foreskin somehow fusing onto the penis tip or something, it was pretty painful for him apparantly and as such the Dr recommended him getting a Circumcission so he did.
he only mentioned this to me briefly and i was like man i dont want to hear anymore about that ! I gather it was a success.

So would you still be open for people to make up their own mind about whether or not their new born should get the chopp?

f*** NO. How the f*** can the child choose for himself then??

stupid MUM + DAD: oh lets cercumsize our sun because WE beleive its BEST for him (spoken like true mindless christian/jewish zealots)

child 16 years later: uhh guys i choose not to be cercumsized...

pretty fuking redundant if you let the parents decide for the kid because the kids ends up not being able to decide for himself if they choose to have the chop.

dont fuking mutilate your kids. if the kid grows up and doesnt want it, let him choose for himself. my jewish mate got the chop when he was 15/16, healed up quick as and he was able to make the decision for himself.

Nothing wrong with being a cheese weasel

I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing. Fortunately I'm not the king though and everyone has their own road to walk :)

You heard it here first, Hoggy luuuuuuurrrrrrrveeeeeessss the cut cawk.

That's why jews are so popular in porn!

That's why jews are so popular in porn!

Yeah like you can back that up with any substantial factual evidence other then your own opinion from all the gayporn youve watched

I am anti-schmegma but girls bajingas are hot so why change them.

hmm.. FGM doesn't seem to work well enough.

some women still find themselves being buried up to their necks and stoned to death.



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hmm.. FGM doesn't seem to work well enough.

some women still find themselves being buried up to their necks and stoned to death.

Ooooh! A petition! That should help.

:-/

Interesting about Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani not facing stoning though. I've seen a lot of news about that recently. She faces hanging instead now though, pretty f***ed up over there.

This made me want to smack the f out of that Joanna Bogle lady

actually I feel the opposite, the host was a dick
he put words into her mouth, she wasn't saying that rubbers dont work, she's just saying that they dont 100% solve the problem

like she said, all it takes is one time where something goes wrong (breaks, comes off or whatever) - to transmit it
I think shes saying if you've got aids that abstinence is the only way to go?

I reckon shes right, but it's a naive point of view, who's going to stop rooting when your junk still works
people with aids should just do other people with aids amirite guys

chopping off the entire dick would stop aids from spreading much better than just the tip, why don't we recommend that?

Unnecessary surgery to prevent what "might" be a problem is stupid imo. should we chop of your nipples because you might get breast cancer? not like its used for anything and IMO, men look better without nipples? Its a f***ing stupid stance. while we are at it why don't we chop out the appendices too... just in case?

and also during the studies i recall reading that they stopped it short because it became evident that it would have been inhumane to not offer circumcision to the survey participants?

also, i wouldn't want to give someone overconfidence that there chopped member is going to protect them from aides without the use of a rubber?

I can't help but think that the uncircumcised dick is an ugly, ugly thing.

that's a culture thing, just like FGM is a cultural thing to them? same s*** different bucket. if you don't like the look of it when your old enough, go to a plastic surgeon to have it removed, and should be looked at with the same social stigma as plastic surgery.

if there is medical reasons however, its a valid procedure to improve ones health. but risking infection to prevent a possible infection is a really f***ing stupid idea.

The study about how aids can be reduced by circumcision is actually used as a textbook example on bad scientific studies at UQ.

chopping off the entire dick would stop aids from spreading much better than just the tip, why don't we recommend that?

I've heard condoms work pretty well too. Sorry, no reference to back up my wild, unsubstantiated claims.