Tried the death grip last night on the iPhone 4 and on Telstra you can see it happen in front of you so it's not all bs, whether ot not you get dropped calls is another thing. In two minds now.

How are you holding it ? As I said I only dropped 1 bar so I would like to try and replicate it

Apple doesn't let through information stealing "photo" apps to millions of users.

Was that sarcasm or are you forgetting that app that uploaded peoples photos to the interwebs for online storage and then proceeded to have a total lack of security so anyone could view your personal pics.

But yeah it's hard to really separate Android from HTC at the moment which is a shame since HTC is the worst phone manufacturer on the market. The Android platform on Motorolla and Sony phones doesn't get as much press because they aren't releasing a new version every 5 minutes which is probably what helps to contribute to them making quality devices. Before HTC started shipping with Android no one in their right mind would touch them.

Actually when you think about it Android fits well with HTC since a HTC phone has a life expectancy of about 6 months it coincides nicely with Android OS updates.

since HTC is the worst phone manufacturer on the market.

you don't know a lot about the HTC history.

remember O2? imate? other smart phones like that? that was all HTC

I still have a few old HTC phones here still going strong, there is nothing wrong with them at all.

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Apple doesn't let through information stealing "photo" apps to millions of users.

Apple reviewers are not magic, nor do they have any specific policy guarding your privacy? I'm not sure why you quoted "photo"; you are referring to one of many real applications that have hidden behaviour that can upload your information - ie, spyware. Often this is done under the guise of targetted advertising.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/ap_on_re_us/us_tec_techbit_apps_privacy

"Lookout found that nearly a quarter of the iPhone apps and almost half the Android apps contained software code that contained those capabilities."

A phone with untested apps is going to need the same as well.

Android is actually far better than your PC's anti-virus software and Apple's model, because during install it will tell you exactly what capabilities the software has. Does your wallpaper application want permission to read your SMS? Then dont install it.

Neither Apple nor Google have strict rules about what information applications can read from your phone that I know of, but at least on Android you are told exactly what each application has permission to do on your phone.

Tried the death grip last night on the iPhone 4 and on Telstra you can see it happen in front of you so it's not all bs, whether ot not you get dropped calls is another thing. In two minds now.

From what I've read its been well established overseas that the iphone4 "death grip" will reduce signal strength by 20dB; whether that actually causes problems depends on the signal strength in your location. If you have less than 4 bars, it will probably drop the call.

If you have less than 4 bars, it will probably drop the call.

Found this site quite interesting: http://www.metalev.org/2010/07/android-vs-iphone-4-signal-strength.html

Not sure how it works though... cause I often when I talk on my phone there are only one or two bars.

I downsized 1080p Star Trek to 960x400 (1:1 resolution) and the picture is pixel perfect and crystal clear. I can barely make out the details.

Will this antenna issue be fixed in the near future or are apple planning on selling these things as they are till iphone "5"???

since HTC is the worst phone manufacturer on the market.

I'd second this, atleast for the Desire. I'm loving the OS and whatnot but the phone is starting to give me the s***s. Crashes, takes ages to pickup wifi and 3G, headphone out is s***, loudspeaker is worse then my programmable casio calculator in school 15 years ago, can't view the screen outdoors etc etc.

How are you holding it ? As I said I only dropped 1 bar so I would like to try and replicate it

I was holding it with all 5 fingers just spread evenly around the phone and abit in my palm, hard to explain, how you normally would hold the phone :) I cupped it and even held it tight near the split area on the left hand side and I was watching the signal bars drop. You let it go and it starts to come back.

Thought I'd give a heads-up to those considering switching or re-contracting with Telstra.

IPHONE 4: Telstra bumping plans to 6GB

So basically you can swap out the data on the plan for a browsing pack of your choice and pay only 50% - great for those wanting to go on a lower priced cap, but get a much higher data cap for not much more.

I'm tempted myself, but I think I'll go for the $49 Business Cap Plan which has $400 worth of calls and text plus 200MB of data (extra 1Gb data free every month for length of contract if you sign up before August 31st!!!). The handset is $149 upfront for the 16GB iPhone 4 or $299 for the 32GB.

Charlie - that's pretty odd, I haven't had any of those problems with my desire? Hasn't crashed once, wifi turns on when I walk in the door at home, 3G turns on as soon as i touch the widget (maybe a half second delay), headphones have worked perfectly, loudspeaker works (it isn't great, but who the hell uses loudspeaker anyway) and my screen is viewable outdoors on max brightness, sure it's a bit reflective but if you can't view the screen outside at all you are doing it wrong.

anyway, the iPhone 4 sure is sexy, and I was looking at it too, but decided to try the android thing this time around!

Pretty sweet deal on data Mr.Bumpy, anyone know if the 50% off data is restricted to iPhones ?

Hrmm
I'm looking at getting a new phone, currently on a blackberry storm (work phone :E) but I'll be getting a new one soon! I get to pick whatever phone I want including the iphone 4.

So many good new phones now :O

How the hell could you juice 6gig in a month on an iPhone??

How the hell could you juice 6gig in a month on an iPhone??

People who tether...

Or you could just stream a lot of music / video

stupid question, but can't you buy the iphone 4 online with Telstra? I went to the site and couldn't see it, but I probably missed it.

No you can't, store only at the moment

How the hell could you juice 6gig in a month on an iPhone??

People who tether...

Given the speeds, I would have thought using 6gig is even a stretch when tethering regularly???

Or you could just stream a lot of music / video

That's a LOT of streaming, especially considering some sites like YouTube don't count... If streaming audio at 128kbps, my calculations (which could be wrong) work out that you need to stream almost 4 hours of audio per day seven days a week to hit 6gig... which seems strange, considering you'd be using an mp3 player to do it.

stupid question, but can't you buy the iphone 4 online with Telstra? I went to the site and couldn't see it, but I probably missed it.

Apparently if you buy online with Optus you get the first two months of the plan for free.

Yeah, and a crap network to boot

Given the speeds, I would have thought using 6gig is even a stretch when tethering regularly???

I was downloading tethered at around 280kb/s today ,easy to chew threw it :)

6GB on a laptop ain't hard.

I've seen 500KB/sec Tethered

You can chew THROUGH it

I was smashing over 5mbps on the train on my iPhone the other day on the SpeedTest app.

So yeah 3 hours Billy :)

s*** I just hit 2mbit up !

s*** I just hit 2mbit up !

Whoah, that's faster than my iPrimus Kahuna Plus ADSL2 connection, which maxes out at 512k upload.

I've seen 500KB/sec Tethered

I had my android wifi hotspot on and my mate used his iphone and speedtested at 1200kb/s, optus network!