chess references s*** me

What have chess references ever done to you? (besides getting molested by a knight in your dreams).

It's just so overused in storytelling. Student films, popular tv shows, big budget films. I'm onto you motherf***ers.

It's meant to make the story sound more intelligent, but really chess is the least interesting reference they could be making. Chess is often seen as the game of the masses, like rugby league, it is the most primitive of the games of it's kind. Chess represents the basic concept of "man vs man", whereas other games like Backgammon are a struggle of man vs fate, or Go which is man vs himself, which are the more interesting themes dealt with in good stories.

man: "I didn't know you enjoyed chess your majesty."
King: "Why wouldn't I?"
man: "Well, because the King is always in jeopardy."
King: "But it's only a game!"
man: "Yes of course.... only a game..."

OoOoOkkkay i sure as hell wasn't expecting a response as such, but i think you may have a point!

It was just a totem. Checkmate.

Saw this picture over at super punch:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XdP6Lp2ceqY/TE7ZT32nUiI/AAAAAAAAXMQ/WCmGpEkPG_A/s1600/SIQ59.jpg

A bit to large to show without annoying people.

That's awesome ^

http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img2/inception5levels-visualguide480full.jpg

Double awesome!

If time is slower each level down, why is the music the same rate?

If the couple grew old in limbo, why are they young when the train hits them?

They crafted their environment for themselves, it's a shared state, so they looked the way they wanted to, which was young.

The first part of the movie was boring as s*** where they were waffling on about the dreams in a dream etc, I woudlnt call it best movie ever was ok.

Inception / Pixar's Up crossover trailer. This is cool.

They crafted their environment for themselves, it's a shared state, so they looked the way they wanted to, which was young.

Except they showed them looking old.

And they showed one guy looking like another guy for just a bit even though he looked like that throughout the entire dream.

good point

this is an awesome read: http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html

spolier town though.

Great article, Domino.

Yeah, I stopped reading at this point

when Cobb remembers her suicide she is, bizarrely, sitting on a ledge opposite the room they rented. You could do the logical gymnastics required to claim that Mal simply rented another room across the alleyway, but the more realistic notion here is that it's a dream, with the gap between the two lovers being a metaphorical one made literal.

Thats an utterly retarded argument. HOW is his explanation the more realistic notion here, come on, hes just deluding himself.

Interesting article though I think there's enough evidence on either side to make a strong argument.

Another theory:
http://revolvingdoorproject.net/2010/07/23/inception-what-happened-at-the-end/

Gah ... just came out of seeing it tonight ... I think half a bottle of scotch is going to need to be consumed to crack this one ...

Yeah, I stopped reading at this point

I'd definitely recommend you read the rest, Khel. It draws some pretty good parallels between the events of the movie and the act of film-making. It's something I'd never considered, and if the interview he mentions with Leo is correct, it's certainly a strong argument he's making..

Interesting article though I think there's enough evidence on either side to make a strong argument.

Another theory:
http://revolvingdoorproject.net/2010/07/23/inception-what-happened-at-the-end/

I thought the same as this guy. Seemed pretty clear cut to me but after reading and hearing from others I guess that isn't the case.

Midda, one thing that I thought that the review was going to go into was the fact that limbo was the fourth dream state. If, going by what that bloke was saying, that this is all a interpretation into the film-making dynamic, then the fourth (limbo) dream-state could be the fourth wall. By breaking the fourth wall you stop being involved in the movie and realise you are watching something false. Hence while you are *in* the fourth wall, you mistake it for reality, just as you do when totally drawn in by a movie. But when you finish the movie and the credits roll, (removing yourself from the fourth wall/limbo) the movie ends and you 'wake up'.

Just like when Cobb trancends limbo and the movie practically finishes or starts to wind up.

The wedding ring theory of the second post was pretty persuasive as well =P

It would be nice to see a video of Nolan talking about exactly what happened, even if it does spoil it. I like having ideas on what happened but if they're way different to the majority than I think I wasn't paying enough attention or didn't fully understand what the f*** was going on.

My sentiments exactly Rev.

I think I need to watch this film again but this time accepting it on face value that it's not all a dream, which unfortunately I thought that from very early on and it spoilt the film a little for me as several characters said lines to reinforce my suspicion that 'reality' was actually a dream, and eventually that Mal was right, he wasn't being persued he just needed to die to be back with his family.

The score still makes me feel strange.

ellen page looks like a 13 year old. Should of lost the juno scarf.

I take back what I said about the music, watched it a second time and it was awesome. Plus the realisation that the one song is just being slowed down at different levels was an extra nice touch. :D

http://i.imgur.com/lUOFu.jpg

Saw this last night, was pretty cool. But what's not to understand.. I mean you see the top start to wobble at the end like its about to fall over. When it spins in their dreams it doesn't wobble ever. Hence it wasn't a dream but it wasn't a dream because he's the one thats dead - His reality is actually limbo which is the afterlife.

The whole story is him trying to comeback from limbo but when he realises he can't he projects a reality inside limbo.

also, that young main actress in the movie can be in my dreams anytime.. amiwrong?

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You mean Ellen Paige?

http://i.imgur.com/N2mOY.jpg

haha! she's definately a star of the future.. I did feel like a paedophile a few times during the movie tho.

Make a maze in two minutes. Okay, you are the best.

Pfft I claimed her when she was Kitty Pride, she's about my age so that's ok. She does never age though, so it's getting weird.

edit: Interesting tspec, now need to hunt down to find out if that was real...

edit: Interesting tspec, now need to hunt down to find out if that was real...

It's a real comic. There's an article about it here here

She does never age though, so it's getting weird.

Alllll the better :D

haha! she's definately a star of the future.. I did feel like a paedophile a few times during the movie tho.

She's like 23 or something isn't she? Unless you're old? lol

Meh, Inception is just a more confusing and less awesome version of the Matrix.

Finally saw it last night. Excellent movie however was nowhere near as much of a mindf*** as I had hoped. Based on other peoples reviews I was expecting a plot that jumped around a lot more. The fact that it's dreams within dreams doesnt make the story progression any less linear.

Not that I have a problem with that, I was just hoping for max confusion on my first viewing.

One thing I did especially love was the way the projections react to the dreamers.. the way they all look at them with that expression is quite creepy.

Overall a superbly made film across all areas, just not quite the headf*** I was hoping for.

She's like 23 or something isn't she? Unless you're old? lol

really? should could pass for a 16 yo or something. I was glad when that dude kissed her in the movie coz I was like.. phew! she must legal haha

One thing I did especially love was the way the projections react to the dreamers.. the way they all look at them with that expression is quite creepy

on that 'explaining dreams' tangent. i didn't really like how they just assumed all people don't know they're in a dream because that's most common - I for example know when I'm dreaming.

http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Inception-Infographic-550x825.jpg

was already posted

plus it is not helpful and just complicates a simple scenario

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Also, who controls the bullets in the dreams? Who decides if they hit or not? or kill, etc?

The dreamer's subconscious I guess, which really means nobody is in control.

sounds dangerous

It will be if people start training their subconcious to use wall hax to stop extractors.

The architect could have atleast designed some bulletproof vests n s***.

last edited by arclore at 16:03:33 09/Aug/10

lol @ donald duck cartoon

I figured the prick out. Finally found a use for Illustrator...

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4069/inceptionm.jpg

You forgot another line at the very top which goes on indefinately called 'limbo' aswell, because from start to finish cobb is in limbo.. imo ;)

Gratuitously stolen from other forums

http://memegenerator.net/actual-yo-dawg/ImageMacro/1615668/actual-yo-dawg-Yo-dawg-I-heard-you-like-dreams-so-I-planted-dreams-in-your-dreams-so-you-can-dream-while-you-dream.jpg

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6et0lc6s11qzracxo1_400.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/anym9i.jpg

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/063/324/original/tumblr_l6gewlMF5Z1qanb21o1_400.jpg



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Except the bit with the buildings isn't Cobb's dream, thats limbo

Except the bit with the buildings isn't Cobb's dream, thats limbo

Not necessarily. It could be very close to limbo, but they were in control. They entered the dream willingly. Limbo was (kinda) defined as something that the level above couldn't control (death). My reasoning is that Cobb somewhere along the line after Ariadne and Fischer kick themselves out of Cobb's dream, Cobb himself dies or kills himself to enter full shared limbo, thus meeting up with Saito many years later after he died in the snow fortress.

Cobb's dream was his own architecture as well, remembering that whoever dreams creates the dream world. But, when he meets Saito, it's more like Saito's world, having been pre populated for many "years" with his subconscious.

The other thing you can't prove with the way the ending is shot, is how they get out. My reasoning for them coming out via the sedative wearing off is that if they shot themselves to exit limbo (which they state is not possible early on in the movie), they are never shown (as opposed to the others) transcending the dream levels back to reality

The rest of them all get back to the hotel, then back to the river from the van. The bit that is missing is how *all* of them woke up to reality. I say that the sedative wore off, ending *all* of their dreams.

I'm pretty sure they actually say in the movie though, that they have to go into limbo, because thats where Fischer is. Fischer died, got chucked into limbo, they had to go in and get him. And the buildings that are there are the remnants of what Cobb left in limbo last time he was there. Sure they can control it, but everyone can control it, its a shared state.

I also don't think limbo has anything to do with death here. I mean, cobb and mal had been there before and they weren't dead. Its just an unstructured dream-state, that no one person is in control of. I can't think of any part of the movie where they liken limbo to death or even make that implication.

I also think when they say its a shared state, they don't mean some kind of metaphysical thing, like its shared amongst all humanity and everyone is connected through their dreams, I think it just means its shared between all participants of the dream, like nobody is specifically dreaming it and anyone can control it.

Well, not so much the control the dream, but control their presence in it. Because Cobb and Ariadne aren't dead in the snow fortress, they are able to kick themselves out, Cobb as well, but he doesn't because he needs to enter true limbo to get to Saito.

Fischer really is a bit of a messy one. He's definitely in Cobb's "dream" or almost-limbo, but there is a clear difference between Cobb's final level of dreaming with Ariadne and Fischer before it all changes and he enters limbo as prepopulated by Saito.

Limbo is also something that the dreamer couldn't get out of until they could actually wake up physically, so that's my explanation of why Cobb's architected dream is not actually limbo, but an almost-limbo.

I did a full explanation of my idea of it. Who knows really, there are a few gray areas that are open to debate really so I guess only Nolan really knows.

http://www.nickbedford.com/post/926712812/my-interpretation-of-the-inception-timeline

EDIT: Mine is actually a lot like that triangle shaped timeline.

Possessed Child Reviews: Inception.

Why does that happen.

Saw this movie last night, thought it was very good. Recommend.

The main hole in the movie for me was the fact that they required physical objects (e.g., the briefcase with pumps and what not) in each level.

I didn't find that to be a hole, it's more representative of the thought process and what it represents. ie they use guns as well, it's just an object that has a common meaning and understanding to all those in the dream.

That kid is a douche and annoys me.

That kid if a f***head. Perfect for hollywood.

Sounds like a tops movie. I saw an indie movie called primer about a week ago, it was made in 2004 on a budget of like $7000 by some engineering student, really well thought out and a bit of a mindf***, haven't seen inception but it sounds like its a bit crazy so if you enjoyed this movie theoretically you'll enjoy primer. Its a bit old right now so I wouldn't be surprised if you saw it on youtube, maybe even if you typed in 'primer part 1' someone might have been kind enough to upload it several parts.. who knows though.

Inception made more sense in the movie than those crazy infographs, much easier than primer. Though primer was also awesome just for how real the characters' actions and responses were.

I did not hate this movie.

Bumping to make sure everyone reads the hilarious Editing Room script: http://www.the-editing-room.com/inception.html :

Suddenly some BAD GUYS and a f***ING TRAIN show up to make everything more difficult.

JOSEPH GORDON-LEVITT
s***! He’s had his subconscious trained to defend against hostiles! Obviously what we need to do is kidnap him at gunpoint!
ELLEN PAGE
You can train your subconscious? Since there aren’t rules here, are we going to have to fight a bunch of Ninja Turtles or giant monkey robots or something?

also

LEONARDO DICAPRIO
We use this video game controller in a briefcase to connect everyone’s minds together to share a dream. So obviously it connects to the human body’s natural conduit to the mind: your wrist.

gees that kid was creepy and fake

haha good old abridged scripts

ELLEN PAGE
What the f*** is that going to prove? Well let me just blow your mind by drawing… get ready… A MOTHERf***ING CIRCLE HOLY f***.
LEONARDO DICAPRIO
Darn, you got me!
ELLEN PAGE
For reals? Just start at the exit, homeskillet.

The wrist thing was actually just a drug. They never explained how the machine worked, I think as a deliberate choice to make it not about the sci-fi.

Still not over the kid

Probably the result of a single parent.