The guy was asking for Nintendo to come find him. He posted all but his address on gbatemp forums.

if the dude was just some guy uploading a torrent, how the hell do they get 1.5mil out of him?

warez distributor (aka bob): just as planed . Now to proceed to next phase of the plan to take down Nintendo.

if the dude was just some guy uploading a torrent, how the hell do they get 1.5mil out of him?

Simple - damages for infringement * number of infringements

ive just skimmed the gbatemp forums ( http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=189802&st=615 , kongnutz), so may not have got it 100% but from what I can gather he bought a copy 1 week early at some QLD store and uploaded an iso of it. Someone else found a way to crack it with some file replacement (i don't know anything about the wii).

The way I read the article I assumed he had like inside access in Nintendo or in the delivery process before it got to retail, but he managed to get a retail copy from a store early and felt like a hero because of his assumed fortune.



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The other thing is that the PAL version came out before the NTSC version, so this version wasn't just pirated by Australians, but by everyone the world over. And it was probably the biggest release that year.

A friend has done some checking around on two non-public but far-from-leet sites and the original PAL ISO that was uploaded (and unusable) was downloaded by over 1,000 people. 4-5 days later the scene release (usable) and a fix came out and was downloaded by about 10,000 people. The NTSC Release came out about 4-6 days later with only 6000+ downloads.

Normally NTSC releases would be downloaded by many more people than the PAL release, but because the PAL release was so early it's the one most people got.

The dude is a 24yr old EB Games employee, thats how he got it early.

Saw similar this morning. According to the Sydney paper it said he worked elsewhere but had been an ex EB games employee. How long ago unknown, possible contacts. As I imagine if EB did sell it to the public(more than just this guy) early that they could be liable for something could they not?

They can make cruel examples out of people who cant afford to break copyright using "sophisticated technological forensics" to catch them but itll come back and bite them as i for 1 have no respect for thier copyright now where as before today i went in to bat for them and tried to warn people off breaches.. Sorry performers but from what im seeing here and places like the U.S., the support is all over and on the contrary i now have a new interest in watching the current copyright laws change.

As I imagine if EB did sell it to the public(more than just this guy) early that they could be liable for something could they not?

If they did break the street date at worse it'd be a breach of contract, not a violation of copyright.

SnotOne - What? He leaked the game before it was released. If he couldn't afford it, maybe he shouldn't have shared it with the world. This isn't the same as some naive schoolgirl getting done for downloading Britney Spears MP3s, this is someone who knew what they were doing was wrong and did it anyway. It's a fair cop when you get caught like that.

but then he'd have no one to play against online ^
if it were me, I'd just move and start again

he's either in debt up to his eye balls or he's going to gaol, starting a fresh life somewhere is a very realistic option
everyone deserves a second chance, but not a third.

Who are you and what have you done with the real tequila?

The drink driver just slightly over the blood alcohol limit didn't deserve a second chance, he's going straight to the gray bar hotel.

All the people downloading this game must have modded Wii's. Nintendo expect people to believe the people who downloaded this game would have bought it? Lies.

Haha f*** that would suck.

According to the SMH he works part time for a freight company and still lives with his parents. The poor c*** wont be moving out any time soon on what is probably some s*** money like 18-20 bucks an hour.

BLs, he didn't even upload a good game. f***ing mario lol.

Nintendo says it was able to trace Mr Burt using sophisticated technological forensics

What in hell are these 'sophisticated technological forensics' they mentioned? One can only wonder....

stinks of corporate dictatorship.
No, sorry, just stinks...

obviously this kid made the fatal mistake of not paying his lawyer 3k/day

sophisticated technological forensics

i.e. Nintendo joined the torrent and wrote down the tracker's IP address.

Simple - damages for infringement * number of infringements

yeah i know that, what i meant was, he wasnt making millions of dollars from it so they cant take that money, hes just some 24 year old guy from the suburbs, he doesnt have 1.5 mil, wont he just declare bankrupt?

Nintendo expect people to believe the people who downloaded this game would have bought it? Lies.

Yeah, this is my biggest problem with how they figure out lost sales of music/games/movies/etc. Not saying the guy shouldn't be punished, sure, he broke the law and he got caught, but to try and claim that each person who downloaded the game is a lost sale is just bulls***.

Hang on,
If this was a crime - they could not settle out of court.
or,
If they settled out of court - this is not a crime...

Am I wrong?

i dont think whether it was a crime or not has anything to do with it, nintendo are suing for damages/lost income. different court?

Thanks Greazy. Sorry, it's just that I keep hearing this 'piracy is a crime' stuff all the time and i got carried away.

So - is piracy a crime or what?

I'm so confused =(

Hmm, I find this stuff kind of funny, like the guy has 1.5mil sitting in his bank account, All he would have to do is go bankrupt like the rest of the millionaires out there do when they go belly up, If this post is true I think it would just be a scare tactic for the would be pirates out there, I would be very surprised if Nintendo would ever get that much money from a single person, unless they were already millionaires ?

my dodgy research seems to indicate that bankruptcy doesn't discharge court fines. I'm not sure if that applies to this case though.

1.5M is way too much to consider paying unless you're a fat cat so maybe Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200?

Im concerned theres a bigger scheme behind this and never mind gov being above the law...

Freedom is not cheap

Sommescum - im positive piracy is a crime.

^ great another one.

I'm not a terrorist, I don't appreciate the discrimination.

f*****.

I think he meant SnotOne, who seems to be another conspiracy theory nutter.

Piracy is copyright infringement.

Was reading the info on copyright.org.au (thanks Trog) and it is legal to copy your own DVDs and music CDs to another format (e.g. ISO and MP3). It is not legal for someone else to copy this for you though.

Also this:

You may be entitled to demand any or all of the following:
1-3) blah

4) that either you be paid for the use of the work or you be given the profits the infringer has made from it

4a)When deciding on how much money you are going to require the infringer to pay for use of the material, you could take into account what you would have charged if your permission had been obtained (a licence fee).

The infringer in this case made ZERO profit AND Nintendo should have to prove that $1.5 million of sales would have been made from the uploading of this material. There is no precedent that downloads = sales.

In some circumstances, infringement of copyright is a criminal offence, and fines and jail terms are possible penalties. The criminal provisions generally apply to commercial piracy and have been used particularly in relation to people infringing copyright in music, videos and computer software.

So no, copyright infringement that most people are alleged to partake in is not criminal copyright infringement and therefore no gaol time associated. However, this is where this guys slipped up:

It is also an offence to advertise the supply of an infringing program...

He uploaded it to a torrent site and talked about it on a forum and therefore advertised it - potential gaol time if he didn't settle, especially if the judge was leaning towards believing that all the downloads = missed sales (a fallacy). Trog was right, copyright.org.au is a good resource.

TL;DR - this guy could have been charged criminally if he didn't settle. If he didn't upload and advertise the material, simple suing for damages/lost sales would occur. Law sucks, as we all know downloading =! lost sales.

he made a lot of emotional income by sticking it to the man

this needs to be accounted for

So basically this court case tells us that when you upload something like this, do it from an anonymous point of access, do it for the world and be very, very humble about it.

i saw this story on aca or whatever the f*** last night

the dude's sob story for aca was hilarious

some place sold it to him a week early which as we know sometimes happens, so he "went and told people on the internet about it, and they asked for proof. so he innocently uploaded the game"

haha, i feel so sorry for him now!

i think taking a photo of it would have been proof enough.

he's lucky he didn't get done for a whole stack of other games i'm sure he's ripped and uploaded

f*** ripping a game isn't something that takes 5 minutes is it? it takes some time and the right software etc yeah?

not really;
just need the right sort of drive (easy to buy) and a raw dumper, or with softmodded wii's you can just extract isos of the games off your hardrive

theres not much to it.

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i think taking a photo of it would have been proof enough.

He did that apparently and of himself, and also the reciept from the store.

I'd say viewing these images and then following it would have also been nintendo's advanced forensic technique.

i think taking a photo of it would have been proof enough.

He did that apparently and of himself, and also the reciept from the store.

I'd say viewing these images and then following it would have also been nintendo's advanced forensic technique.

haha
what a giant douche

From what i saw on the news, nintendo lost count of the downloads after 50 000.

Also, he'll be paying this for the rest of his life, he doesn't hafto be a millionaire, however much he can pay per week or whatever. Does the debt move to his children if he can't pay it all in his lifetime?

i dont know why they even bother suing for so much money when they are never going to receive it all.

Does the debt move to his children if he can't pay it all in his lifetime?

I was googling debt stuff the other day; don't think so. Any debt he has is paid off out of his estate first and foremost before heirs get anything. I think funeral costs are first, then debts are repaid, then anything left goes to people in the will.

i dont know why they even bother suing for so much money when they are never going to receive it all.

awesome PR and deterrent value of such a huge fine

Also, he'll be paying this for the rest of his life

Since he still lives with his parents and probably doesn't have any/many assets, he could just file for bankruptcy. It'll screw his chances for credit/loans etc but better than having to pay off a 1.5mil debt imo.

But that's worth it for a free game, right?

A little birdy has told me that the whole out of court settlement is a crock.
The media coverage of the alleged fine is meant to be a deterrent for Pirates.
The guy isnt paying one cent.

You really are crazy if you think birds can talk.

A little birdy has told me that the whole out of court settlement is a crock.
The media coverage of the alleged fine is meant to be a deterrent for Pirates.
The guy isnt paying one cent.

So the message here is, pirate all you want but if you tell Tracy Grimshaw you're sorry you'll get your fee waived?

A little birdy has told me that the whole out of court settlement is a crock.
The media coverage of the alleged fine is meant to be a deterrent for Pirates.
The guy isnt paying one cent.

Nintendo wouldn't give a s*** about his money, they just want people average joe noobs to think twice about uploading games to the intertube.

Since he still lives with his parents and probably doesn't have any/many assets, he could just file for bankruptcy. It'll screw his chances for credit/loans etc but better than having to pay off a 1.5mil debt imo.

Chances are his NDA says something about if he chooses to file for bankruptcy and defaults on his debts, he will be pursued in a criminal court rather than just for damages
like everyone else has already said, it's worth more to nintendo that this goes public and he goes on TV scared s***less saying he will never do it again
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they just said "pay our legal fees ($100k) and sign this NDA, you're free to go", then set him up with a 100k payment plan

Does the debt move to his children if he can't pay it all in his lifetime?

Hah that's a pretty retarded thought, if that were the case he would just leave all his s*** to nintendo when he died, or someone he doesn't like.