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Idol
Posts: 1211
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Can anyone confirm whether this information is correct?
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maxe
Posts: 12671
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT YEEHAH
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| #1 02:32pm 14/11/07 |
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J
Posts: 77
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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East-side of the Story Bridge targeting vehicles traveling from both directions.Number of pictures taken: 23409234234892 Number of pictures thrown out due to disputable photograph with multiple vehicles: 23409234234892 Stupid place for a camera, will only catch people in the early hours of the morning. The rest will be too heavy traffic for an identifiable/non disputable photo. |
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| #2 02:39pm 14/11/07 |
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Idol
Posts: 1212
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Not really, throughout most of the day the Story Bridge feels like it should be 70, not 60.
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| #3 02:41pm 14/11/07 |
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Spook
Posts: 20036
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Tarragindi off-ramp (M1) on Brisbane's Southside, another along the spook's protip for street racing DONT EVAR DO IT ON THIS OFF RAMP AND THE STRETCH OF ROAD NEXT TO THE FREEWAY the coppas alays sit there and ping just about everyone i prefer to do my speeding up on the onramps, where its socially acceptable |
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J
Posts: 78
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Not really, throughout most of the day the Story Bridge feels like it should be 70, not 60.If there is any vehicle in the photograph that is of remotely similar size/shape to the vehicle being accused of speeding. Then the fine is dismissable. Story bridge usually has quite a few people on it in bunches/side by side. |
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Martz
tubby
Posts: 1341
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I don't get the East side of the story bridge.. I thought the "Valley" end of the Story bridge would of been North and the KP end South.
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mongie
Posts: 4599
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I guess they're calling the KP end "East" since its sort of "east brisbane"
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5573
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Pfft not safe my ass, I see the popo standing behind the bushes pinging people ALL the time at the Tarragindi offramp. It's a 2 lane road ffs, plenty of room to pull over tards.
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teq
Posts: 501
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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roadsmart is run by a guy I went to school with, he sells speed camera detectors and s***
he's been a hoon since the early days, he is number #1 on some website for reporting hoons around australia cant remember the link now but if you find it his plates are 444 GSY and he drives a blue vrx lancer (from what I can remember) also balls, if you are dumb enough to get boned by a fixed speed camera you deserve to get caught |
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CaPt0
Posts: 5915
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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These were meant to be installed as of the 1st of August when the law was put in place.
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| #10 04:20pm 14/11/07 |
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Skitza
Posts: 8129
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Fark better watch the Stor bridge one haha.. 60 over that is way too slow.
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| #11 05:57pm 14/11/07 |
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5575
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I saw a digital roadworks sign the other day on the Northside saying reduce speed to 40, noone was there working as it was in the evening so traffic was just going through at the usual 60, then it gave a reading of the speed you approached the sign at.
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| #12 06:27pm 14/11/07 |
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paveway
Posts: 6442
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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oh man the story bridge is an awesome run, lucky i don't drive it often anymore
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CHUB
Posts: 3594
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Bruce Highway at Burpengary and on theLOL, Brucey @ Burp, got to 180km/hr once in a 210km/hr speedo, 1980 Sigma 2.6L astron, was going to hit flux capacitor speeds and travel back in time it was that silly. Fixed speed camera's, meh, no probs with me... |
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Alt_F4
Posts: 390
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I saw a digital roadworks sign the other day on the Northside saying reduce speed to 40, noone was there working as it was in the evening so traffic was just going through at the usual 60, then it gave a reading of the speed you approached the sign at. Yeah.. seen them before. It's like "Please slow to 40 km/h. Your Speed: 65 km/h". |
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| #15 06:44pm 14/11/07 |
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Superform
Posts: 4780
Location: Netherlands
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in holland these thinga are f***ing everywhere.. however tomtom has maps that have all speed traps and there speeds all over eu which is pretty sweet unless your driving a motorbike
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| #16 06:47pm 14/11/07 |
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mongie
Posts: 4617
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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They exist in Australia too, other states have had fixed speed cameras for a while now...
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| #17 06:54pm 14/11/07 |
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supreme
Posts: 2396
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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also balls, if you are dumb enough to get boned by a fixed speed camera you deserve to get caught ill 2nd that one |
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| #18 07:00pm 14/11/07 |
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Joanna
Posts: 1084
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Pretty sure in Sydney they have fixed speed cameras at two separate points along a stretch, so if you reach the second one faster than you would travelling the speed limit the whole way, you get done.. Think it might be in the newish tunnels?
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| #19 08:29pm 14/11/07 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13539
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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theres one the way to ballina/lismore etc
only a complete retard would get booked by it as they give you a stupid amounts of warning. it'd be like getting lung cancer. no sympathy from me. |
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| #20 08:54pm 14/11/07 |
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Jim
Posts: 6811
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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they're all over the place outside of qld
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| #21 08:57pm 14/11/07 |
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reload!
Posts: 4027
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i prefer to do my speeding up on the onramps, where its socially acceptable hahaha im pretty scared of getting caught atm. a week or so away from the end of 12month good behaviour and onto opens. would prolly get fired if i lost my licence too :| last edited by reload! at 21:13:53 14/Nov/07 |
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cJay
Posts: 961
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Fixed> movable ambusher ones. As long as they place them where the key blackspots are and save lives i'm all thumbs up because thats what it should be about not gaining revenue.... |
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Jim
Posts: 6812
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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reckon
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Fubar
Posts: 308
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so how long till or how long have they been up and running?
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| #25 09:29pm 14/11/07 |
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3x0dus
Posts: 922
Location: Townsville, Queensland
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with fixed speed cameras they are above the traffic, and these is one for each lane i am pretty sure.
its not like the normal ones with side on view, and multiple vehicles. |
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| #26 12:08am 15/11/07 |
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eighty-eight
Posts: 533
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I like the part where it says
locations have been chosen specifically due to the fact that they are not safe locations to have police, or police in vehicles operating the mobile cameras. Instead of locations have been chosen specifically due to the fact that they are areas where speeding has caused many accidents and or is a known problem area for excessive speeding where it is highly likely to cause an accident. Also according to Wheels mag less than 3% off all Australian recorded road fatalities are from speeding alone. |
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| #27 12:33am 15/11/07 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13541
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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speed cameras have to be within a certain distance of a high accident area.
the police on the south side of the story bridge is a bit of a joke, i got pulled over there a while back. i was in the far right hand lane heading west. cop walks out into the middle of traffic stops all the lanes (3? i think) walks over to my lane signals me to pull over to the left, at which point the car next to me decided to go. cop jumped back in front of him to stop him. so i drive over, up the gutter to stop on the grass there. cop then informs me that my steering wheel is metal which is illegal (which it isn't) and tells me its fine to go. regardless, it was a pretty retarded display. pulling people over for speeding/random checks/rbt, yet jumping out from behind a tree to do so onto a busy as f*** road. not really sending the right signals about road safety are they. |
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3x0dus
Posts: 923
Location: Townsville, Queensland
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... lol they do realise that most steering wheels are usually metal with rubber over them, you cant tell me at an accident of 80> that the rubber outer is going to absorb much of the impact energy.
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Bah
Posts: 19
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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No i dont think anyone would actually try to tell you that.
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J
Posts: 79
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Steering wheels as you describe are collapsable in an accident.
Full metal/after market ones generally are not. |
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rubba-chikin
Posts: 5577
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I like the part where it says More like locations have been chosen specifically due to the higher revenues these spots will raise. |
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| #32 11:21am 15/11/07 |
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B.Hardball
Posts: 7122
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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theres one the way to ballina/lismore etc Only a complete retard would speed... |
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| #33 11:30am 15/11/07 |
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sLiNky
Posts: 860
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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They have fixed speed camera's along the highways in Japan and you can buy off the net a little device that picks up the sigle and starts beeping when you approach a fixed speed camera. I wonder if the same devices will work here in aus....
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| #34 12:58pm 15/11/07 |
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13544
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Steering wheels as you describe are collapsable in an accident. uh what the f***, no steering wheel is collapsible. the steering *columns* are. and having a metal wheel (it was actually padded, but metal spokes) doesn't change that. and thats only for new(er) cars anyway. old cars you can make the wheel out of diamonds and its legal. |
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| #35 01:51pm 15/11/07 |
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Gesthemene
Posts: 157
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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old cars you can make the wheel out of diamonds and its legal. Showoff :( |
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| #36 02:49pm 15/11/07 |
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`ViPER`
Posts: 246
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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The story bridge is a high accident area? Since when? I personally cant remember the last time I have heard of an accident on the story bridge, let alone one causing a fatality. Yet you hear nearly daily that some idiot has some how managed to roll over on the gateway.
Of course they wont put one there becuase the gateway authority wouldnt let them. |
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Skitza
Posts: 8132
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Of course they wont put one there becuase the gateway authority wouldnt let them. It's not speeders on the Gateway, its f***ing retards who can't drive in a straight line and end up crashing, you dumb f***s - venting done. |
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| #38 07:19pm 15/11/07 |
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kr0wb4r
Posts: 103
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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While on this topic, does anyone know if the flash goes off on them sneaky road side speed cameras mounted in the snorkel of the 4WD's?
I was driving back from the coast the other week, didn't see it till I was close to it because there was a 4WD between it and me, saw i was doing 20 over and went oh s***. No flash or anything though, it was late afternoon, poor light, surely they'd use flash? was driving mums car anyway she has loads of points. ^^ |
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| #39 07:02am 16/11/07 |
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B.Hardball
Posts: 7130
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I heard (and this could be BS) that they aren't allowed to use flashes anymore because it can distract the driver and be dangerous.
Last time I saw a flash was about 3 - 4 years ago at the coast when we were all drunk in a maxi taxi and were cheering our driver to go through a red light (left turn into a side street at 2am with no traffic anywhere)... sure enough there was this massive flash and the driver started swearing. We lol'ed. |
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infi
Posts: 7383
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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they should put one on the gateway at lytton rd. there's an accident there every f***en morning.
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| #41 08:03am 16/11/07 |
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Gratuitously Provocative
Posts: 1115
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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they're all over the place outside of qld Yeah, esp NSW. But theres some rule that says the driver has to be informed at least three times before a permanent camera. Theres one on the highway offramp at Banora Point on Far North Coast NSW. Theres three signs warning you that its coming up from about 500m before the camera. Its in the most rediculous place though, its about 75 metres from where the highway ends, and its on a pretty long/steep hill - so you have to slow to 60 and get stuck in a s***ty gear trying to get up an epic hill. And it only captures that side of the road, so it doesnt get anyone going 100+ going down the hill and coming up to the on-ramp. LAME. |
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| #42 12:31pm 16/11/07 |
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sLiNky
Posts: 862
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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For starters the camera's arnt mounted in the snorkel of 4WD's. They are mounted on the dash and aimed at a 15 degree angle across the road (which is where it detects you and takes the picture). All landcruiser camera's are mounted this way. The new speed camera (merc sprinter) is mounted at the back and front and shoots the angle at a 15 degree angle but can cover 6 lanes of hwy at the same time. (it takes a streaming video). Speed camera's can be confused if you slam on the brakes in the detection zone and it won't take the picture And to answer your question. Yes the flash still goes off. I was coming home from maryborough on the weekend and got done outside gympie. The whole sky lit up for a quick second and scared the s*** out of me. And it was most definetely a speed camera. :( My uncle works at the police workshop over on shan st which is where they install of the camera's. |
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| #43 12:37pm 16/11/07 |
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Spook
Posts: 20053
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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yer, i seen flashes going off recently, they still do it;
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| #44 01:36pm 16/11/07 |
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evıs
Posts: 5883
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I believe these are now officially in use as of today. So be careful niggas.
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| #45 05:04pm 07/12/07 |
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infi
Posts: 7520
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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next friday - if you believe anything in the courier mail.
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| #46 05:23pm 07/12/07 |
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evıs
Posts: 5885
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Oh I must have misheard, was goin to say it's either today or next friday.
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| #47 07:49pm 07/12/07 |
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Kat
Posts: 9669
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Just heard on the radio, in bound at the same place as marshell rd exit outbound is going to be turned on today
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Fireblood
Posts: 8106
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Just heard on the radio, in bound at the same place as marshell rd exit outbound is going to be turned on today OMG!!!!! YOU MEAN IT WASN'T TURNED ON LAST WEEKEND?! Holy caps batman! There I was following the traffic half asleep and I ran over those white lines :| Man was i pissed when i saw my speedo at 110. |
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| #49 10:17am 22/02/08 |
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parabol
Posts: 4011
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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Yeah, esp NSW. But theres some rule that says the driver has to be informed at least three times before a permanent camera. Tell me about it. Last week I got stuck on a 5km stretch of school-zone on a major road, my corolla buzzing along at 40km/h and I swear I went past 3 cameras in total. The warnings are ridiculously obvious, signs everywhere. At least I've noticed people slow down in these areas (good for school kids), then they just continue speeding (70+ km/h) afterwards. (replied to a very old message, but oh well) last edited by parabol at 10:24:14 22/Feb/08 |
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| #50 10:24am 22/02/08 |
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Kat
Posts: 9670
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Ummmaaaa, naughty naughty
They have been setting it up for a while lines have been there for weeks, but the camera itself I only saw for the first time the other day (could have been there for much longer). *puts on mum's voice* Let this be a lesson to you! |
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| #51 10:23am 22/02/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7284
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so you have to slow to 60 and get stuck in a s***ty gear trying to get up an epic hill. obviously you're not doing it in a gas powered AU falcon with 400nm of torque |
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| #52 10:25am 22/02/08 |
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Herron
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Haha Fireblood, I did the exact same thing - even just under 110. Some bloke was waving his arm out the window for me to slow down and I had nfi what he was on about until I saw the white lines. This was inbound though. Makes your guts sink.
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| #53 10:25am 22/02/08 |
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Kat
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The speed camera is inbound. It is just opposite the outbound exit (and just as you come off the inbound entry)
I thought it was outbound as well, but the camera and lines are inbound. |
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| #54 10:28am 22/02/08 |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2544
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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obviously you're not doing it in a gas powered AU falcon with 400nm of torqueI love not having to worry about gears. Or what gear im in either, the torque takes care of that for me. After all, what is a manual? Its just a broken automatic. |
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| #55 10:30am 22/02/08 |
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ara
Posts: 1886
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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They have fixed speed camera's along the highways in Japan and you can buy off the net a little device that picks up the sigle and starts beeping when you approach a fixed speed camera. I wonder if the same devices will work here in aus.... fixed speed cameras don't use radar so what signal would they be picking up? |
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| #56 10:30am 22/02/08 |
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casa
Thimes
Posts: 2720
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Couldn't be f***ed readin this thread, but the speed camera on the story bridge only does inbound traffic. The Camera on the bruce highway at burpengary only does outbound traffic. The Camera on the south east freeway at tarragindi isn't even finished yet afaik, but will only do inbound traffic. If you miss the 100m of white lines going accross all lanes and the 3-4 sets of warning signs before you get to them and get fined, you = retard last edited by casa at 10:37:23 22/Feb/08 |
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| #57 10:37am 22/02/08 |
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paveway
Posts: 7285
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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you are too much fun mr hardware
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| #58 10:32am 22/02/08 |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2545
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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probably based on GPS coordinates
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| #59 10:32am 22/02/08 |
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ara
Posts: 1887
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I heard (and this could be BS) that they aren't allowed to use flashes anymore because it can distract the driver and be dangerous. yeah, in NSW now they use infrared flashes so they can take pictures of traffic going both ways. previously they were not allow to take pictures of oncoming traffic as the flash was considered too much of a distraction to drivers. |
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| #60 10:33am 22/02/08 |
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Kat
Posts: 9672
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*gives casa a hug* you sound like you need some love casa. You have been pms'ing bad lately
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| #61 10:34am 22/02/08 |
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Thimes
Posts: 2721
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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dont think i am, i got a donald this morning before work |
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| #62 10:35am 22/02/08 |
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ara
Posts: 1888
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
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Pretty sure in Sydney they have fixed speed cameras at two separate points along a stretch, so if you reach the second one faster than you would travelling the speed limit the whole way, you get done.. Think it might be in the newish tunnels? they have been trailing this on on M4. in between james ruse drive and church st but haven't started fining people yet. what they are talking about doing now is using the toll pass information on the m7, where your toll pass gets scanned when you get on and when you get off to calculate the toll you need to pay, to calculate average speeds and fine motorists that way but that hasn't been legislated yet. |
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| #63 10:36am 22/02/08 |
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jmr
Posts: 5521
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Haha there is one of those ones that tells you the speed on the way out of the suffolk park hills, I was like ooh wonder what speed I can get to, turns out it was a camera too
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| #64 11:07am 22/02/08 |
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Nakor
Posts: 2994
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i must be missing something really bad, cause i haven't seen 100m of white lines or any warning signs for the camera at burpengary - and i know this because my family and i have been looking out for where exactly it is every time one of us goes north and we still haven't found exactly where it is
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| #65 01:13pm 22/02/08 |
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infi
Posts: 8079
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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just look for two big boxes on poles sticking out like dogs balls.
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| #66 01:15pm 22/02/08 |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2548
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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Nakor, It is right next to the weighbridge on the northbound side. I pass it every day. Also, its only about 10m of white lines.
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Nakor
Posts: 2995
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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yeah, thats where we'd figured it was - from memory there were no big poles but, its mounted on something else? ill look tomorrow anyways
and casa lies, i feel better now that im not missing something as obvious as 100m of lines |
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| #68 01:49pm 22/02/08 |
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Thimes
Posts: 2725
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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no need to ruin a good story of a slight technicality! If you got out and walked it, you will find that it is 100m, it just looks shorter cos you're doing 100 clicks as you go over it. And there is definately about 4 signs leading up to it warning of an upcoming speed camera. |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2549
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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seeerious
100m eh wow it looks short at a hundred kays |
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cJay
Posts: 985
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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It's amazing how many retards still speed through the Burpengary camera!
Thats said I think we need more in Brisbane far too many speeding f***wits on public roads.. |
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cerb
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Haha there is one of those ones that tells you the speed on the way out of the suffolk park hills, I was like ooh wonder what speed I can get to, turns out it was a camera too so what speed did you get to? |
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Mr Hardware
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Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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lol jmr
i saw one on the gateway around nudgee/toombul one day if there wasn't 1000 cars in front of me i would have gunned it to see if i could top it out woulda been fun |
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nF
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Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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don't worry mr hardware, i don't think your in danger of an unwanted speeding ticket any time soon
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2551
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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sweet.
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Skitza
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Thats said I think we need more in Brisbane far too many speeding f***wits on public roads.. I call it driving to one's ability. Maybe everyone else is going too slow <- probable reason. |
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hast
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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vandalized speed cameras and clarkson visits tuftufclub. one of those crazy dutch people in action.
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JakeG
Posts: 102
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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i got flashed by a 4wd on milton road going towards ipswich.. never got a fine though and dont know why was just me at 10pm.
did anyone hear about the guy that got flashed by a 4wd camera so he went back and tried to blow it up. He destroyed the car but the camera was still intact and had footage of him placing the explosives. bl but he gets points for effort. |
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Mr Hardware
Posts: 2552
Location: Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland
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yeah JakeG i can understand that. One of the old cabbies used to say about speed camera vans 'i've seen an awful lot of flashes, and not too many tickets'.
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whoop
Posts: 12455
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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What's with the signs on the m1 near the hyperdome that say speed cameras in use in this area, yet there are no speed cameras anywhere in sight? Are they going to put speed cameras there eventually or are the signs just to scare people? Because it isn't working, everyone still does 120 through there.
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nF
Forum Hero
Posts: 13894
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Its a site where they put mobile cameras. Aka, its considered an accident black spot.
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infi
Posts: 8083
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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JakeG: you know posting that on a forum is like the ultimate curse to ensure it will turn up in your mailbox tomorrow.
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Spook
Posts: 20973
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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The story bridge is a high accident area? Since when? I personally cant remember the last time I have heard of an accident on the story bridge, let alone one causing a fatality. Yet you hear nearly daily that some idiot has some how managed to roll over on the gateway. i got stuck in a fatal accident on the story bridge december last year real nasty speed limit is 60, but its 6 lanes crammed into the space of 4.5 so if someone comes over from the otherside, its carnage (like it was last year) |
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JakeG
Posts: 103
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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infi: it was a fair while ago.
With the 'camera's used in this area' signs they have them all over the ipswich motorway etc. IMO (but im guessing) it just covers them for when they do choose to put the 4wd's out cos they are supposed to have a sign showing. |
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typo
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Location: Other International
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only a complete retard would get booked by it as they give you a stupid amounts of warning. it'd be like getting lung cancer I'd like to point out that, like all cancers, Lung Cancer is a crap shoot. Sure, you can increase the chances of lung cancer from some activities, it doesn't mean that you can't get lung cancer by not doing those activities. |
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