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jmr
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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http://ninemsn.com.au/blipimages/news1/1203_madrid_lg.jpg
around 1200 injured The rush-hour bombings struck three rail stations, including Atocha station, in the Spanish capital three days before national elections pretty severe http://news.ninemsn.com.au/World/story_30812.asp |
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Opec
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2538
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Its f***ing horrible
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| #2 11:50am 12/03/04 |
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Spook
Posts: 7251
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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man, i hate this terrorist s***
no one cares what some dumb cave dwellars think about their god, ffs, y cant they just stay in their backward holes and leave the rest of the civilised world alone im terrified that these retards will bring this s*** to australia just think of the pain and suffering that this has caused |
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supreme
Posts: 1971
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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that f***ing horrible, im sick of these terrorist c***s.
im terrified that these retards will bring this s*** to australia yes |
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| #4 11:54am 12/03/04 |
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Andrew
Posts: 1576
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
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terrorists should be executed with extreme prejudice (sp?)
Why should they deserve any rights when they plan to kill innocent civilians. |
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Opec
Posts: 1480
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Personally, I don't think it's about religion - period. It's allllways about politics and power play, it's just f***ing sad that people used religions in this manner. The Christains are just as guilty as the Muslim extremists. In any case it's a f***ing stupid senseless acts. last edited by Opec at 12:04:48 12/Mar/04 |
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supreme
Posts: 1972
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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they just do this kinda s*** cause there jelous of countrys like the us. they wish there countries werent run down and pov
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orbitor
Posts: 5606
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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heard about it on the news this morning on my way to work.
I really don't like the s*** that's going down in the world at the moment. And it's a Catch 22 - do nothing and the attacks continue, act and the terrorists become even more determined, though you do increase your chances of breaking down groups or preventing attacks. And I agree with Opec: Religion isn't a cause of this bulls***, it's simply a handy ustification. last edited by orbitor at 12:14:29 12/Mar/04 |
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Spook
Posts: 7252
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so why are they doing it then? (if its not religion based)
what do they hope to achieve? |
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GiZ
Posts: 40
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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eradication of trains
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Skitza
Posts: 5168
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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f*** I think im gonna give going OS a miss for a bit.
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Deadly-Fly
Posts: 1451
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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what do they hope to achieve?Revenge, they blame America and its allies for the state of their people. But it deffinitely has something to do with religion as well. It will be intresting to see how this is handled, the group that took responsibility seems to actually be based in Spain so there will be no major millitary action taken. It's much harder to fight an enemy in your own home then it is to do so in theirs. In any case I hope they get their balls nailed to the walls, f***ing cowards. |
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WetWired
Posts: 47
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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man these guys are f***wits, if they have an issue with a particular country, take it up with their government or army, not their citizens, those people didn't do s*** to deserve this
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Leon Trotsky
Posts: 382
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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What hope... Terrorists are sponsored by the US government - if you cant see that then i feel a tad upset.
What they do is shocking... this is how it works. The US govnment gave Osama 3BILLION (thats like, alot... it may even be more than they give to their own HealthCare fund). They go say have fun (the CIA this is) then they go cuase problems at home, bomb people stuff like that (horrible as it is) then USA goes, Terrorism is bad, so WE HAVE TO GO STOP THEM... go into country without being invited by country or international community - bang bang bang... lock them up, take their money (if found) take back the weapons they sold them (with the money they gave them)... THEN using terrorism, increase spending on warfare (600billion+ a fiscal year) without telling everyone that most everyone (in govnment places) has LOTS AND LOTS of shares in the companies that make warfare (and oil which profits indirectly), thus making themselves rich from taxpayers money. You see, scare oil countries, oil prices are hiked up... buy before, give bad news = HIKE HIKE.. make millions and millions in 3 weeks - sell shares... rinse, repeat!! This is how I THINK it works... and i wont be surprised if no one belives me, but plan and simple, terrorism was created by US/UK governments to create a new enemy to fight after they won the cold war. Otherwise, why would they keep spending money on warfar (people could argue) because the WORLD ISN"T SAFE... last edited by Leon Trotsky at 12:38:48 12/Mar/04 |
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natslovR
Posts: 293
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
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muslim extremists usually have issues with all non-muslims, and often muslims that don't follow their warped version of islam too.
Is you are interested in following what wahabi islam (backed by saudi money) is up to, refresh littlegreenfootballs occassionally. edit to fix url last edited by natslovR at 12:41:21 12/Mar/04 |
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WetWired
Posts: 48
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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it's not muslims, I've had good friends who were muslims, it's extremists, people with no tolerence who believe their way is right and no one elses matters. This is why I hate religon (mainly organised religon), it does more harm than good. Let everyone have their own spirituality and beliefs and not try and force them down other peoples throats
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Leon Trotsky
Posts: 383
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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People cmon, muslim exteamists?? its just people who are violent who HAPPEN to be muslims... same with the Germans, they were HORRIBLE what they did pre 1950 - but no one was saying thsoe damn Protestent Extreamists......
its got more to do with making money, governments and natural resources that it does with religion... why did australia goto free timor AFTER so many years of horrible stuff (basically indonesia didn't care when australia came in, we just waiting until indonesia finished raping them, then went in)... why? natural gas - we've got a big deal with them (they pay us through gas for rebuilding country) same with US and iraq, the oil pays for the rebuilding! same in solomons... we get natural gas for going over there... threer is the bigger picture here, doesn't people see that? |
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Andrew
Posts: 1577
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
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natslovR is right, alot of extremists feel that the western world is full of sinners and we are evil and must be eradicated.
As far as they are concerned, this is normal. They have no fear of dying, unlike us. Unfortunately these people are deluded because their religion promises them a better life after death. This goes for all religions, christians are just as bad. For anyone who is religious on these forums, i am not attacking your religion. These people use their religion as an excuse to do what they feel is right. As for the person that said the CIA gave Osama billions. He probably is right. Because they were allies, like saddam was as in the 1980s. The love hate relationship of the US and Middle east is just like a really crappy Soapie, one minute the US are with one Country, then another - and they piss people off in doing so. Lets just say, if some of the larger nations in the middle east got really pissed off at the other countries around them and caused a war, they wouldnt hold back. My old man has been doing alot of reading on the who status of the middle east in this century, i should find the books he reads and read them as well. |
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Opec
Posts: 1481
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Who really knows, the depth of human depravities and motives are not quantifyable. I think the question isn't really to question the motives and agendas but, wheather the acts will resulted in any kind of positive outcomes for them other than a quick revange. History has shown time and time again that it has never resulted in anything good, just senseless blood shed of innocent civilians. And more than often the hidden agenda is generally about people in power want to remain in power, politics bulls***. Religions are just vehicle for these people to influened the those who are willing to belive in the so called just cause. I know one thing for sure though, the terrorist acts will increase in frequency and the ferocity. last edited by Opec at 12:54:19 12/Mar/04 |
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Deadly-Fly
Posts: 1453
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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but no one was saying thsoe damn Protestent Extreamists......No they just called them damn Nazis. You might be right about governments creating wars for profit, but the fact is that is not what motivates people and the government needs to get the people on their side so they use religion, fear and prejudice to convince the people. It worked in Nazi Germany and it's working in Israel but with these terrorist groups with no national affiliation, I just can't see what profit they are chaseing. |
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Leon Trotsky
Posts: 385
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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They aren't chasing profit... their just sick messed up people!!
Why do people rape? Why to people murder? Often times there is reasons, but also often, its just some sick individual (ie: Port Arthur massacre) he was just a fruitcake - Terrorism is a bunch of men who are VERY insecure about themselves and are bully's. I read a book, Evil Cradline (great book) written by a guy who was held captive my Jamah Islamiah (JI did the Bali bombing i think). He said they are scared men, who to make themselves feel big, important and also deal with their VERY sexually restrictive muslim beliefs unleash through violence (against humanity/wifes/women). Just sick people, who live and feed off hate. |
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Andrew
Posts: 1582
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
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i happened to read an article that concerns major terrorists attacks as a way of slowly distablising a goverment power - causing the affected goverment start screwing up. ie affecting the people that voted it in.
Its exactly what happened in russia in the early 1900s, and the terrorist campaigns back then caused 30 years of de-stabilisation. I'll Find the link if anyone is interested |
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HERMITech
Posts: 935
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I wonder if Al-Queda will expect the Spainish Inquisition. I mean, nobody expects the Spainish Inquisition. Where's Torquemada when you need him. Perhaps this time he would have a just cause to crusade on
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ctd
Posts: 2565
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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so why are they doing it then? Quit the side tracking crap, they did it cause they are a bloody bunch of wankers. |
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defi
Posts: 1266
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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its obvious they are f***ed up in the head, for most of them are suicide bombings....u have to be f***ed up to throw away your life like that
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2540
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Lets not jump the gun or anything, this is qgl though so I dont know how many people know of the Basque people in Spain and the terrorist organisation ETA, that probably is responisble, but who knows their may be Al-Qaida involvement.
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Deadly-Fly
Posts: 1459
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Read the news article opec linked in the second post.
A GROUP linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network has claimed responsibility for yesterday's bombs in Spain that killed more than 190 and injured 1400.Not actually Al-Qaeda but 'linked' to them, most likely due to the fact that it makes for a better story. The Basque seperatist group denied responsibility. |
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2541
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Trust me I'm more upto date on this stuff then you...the link to Al-Qaida is just one email to a British newspaper, that's it. Its true ETA hasn't claimed responsibility but the Spainish government has stated a few times recently that all current evidence is point to them. It would be foolish in the current political atmosphere to right of any Al-qaida involvement but everything isnt pointing to that atm.
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2542
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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I spelt spanish wrong but it won't let me edit, he;lp. If any admin see this when I edit my post and press update it asks me to login to posting ausgamers news, Ive checked the container and its right
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Spook
Posts: 7258
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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er, didnt they find a van full of detonators with audio tapes reciting the koran and stuff
this aint basque seperatists last edited by Spook at 18:23:39 12/Mar/04 |
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2544
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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er, didnt they find a van full of detonators with audio tapes reciting the koran and stuffYeah they found some detonator (cord maybe???) and a tape with arabic writing on it but a report I just heard said they believed it had no relation to the bombings |
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Deadly-Fly
Posts: 1460
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I'm sure you are more upto date on this stuff then me, but at the moment I'll take the word of news.com.au over you.
Authorities initially suspected Basque separatist group ETA but are now following several lines of inquiry after a van full of detonators and audio tapes reciting verses from the Koran was found east of the Spanish capital. ...and from here Otegi insisted that "ETA has always issued a warning whenever it left a bomb to explode" and added: "There is every reason to think that no kind of warning was given today." |
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Spook
Posts: 7259
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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ill bet the house on it being dumb towel heads
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Deadly-Fly
Posts: 1461
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Acctually on reading more it does seem that the Basque group do have motive in it being so close to an election, something that wouldn't concern 'The Brigade of Abu Hafs Al-Masri'. But still with them denying resposibility and another group claiming it, I guess we'll just have to wait until the investigations are completed.
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verticalseafoodtaco
Posts: 2545
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
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Well its pretty pointless both of us posting articles that contradict one another at this early stage since there is so little information, I just wanted to make sure less informed dooders on qgl new there were other suspects.
Whoever did this I hope Spain comes down on them like a f***ing megatonne, no negociations this time, its gone too far. |
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natslovR
Posts: 296
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
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I read a great article/post once, it said: The way to stop terrorism is by killing terrorists.
Then went on to list all the terrorist groups i've never heard of that over the last 50 years have been stomped out by executions and jailing, as the government fought back. It then listed the ones that are still around, and of those where negotiations had taken place and the 'terrorist group' was made in to a legitimate politcal party that aired their views democratically then usually a small group split off from the main group was still causing violent troubles. |
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hast
Posts: 281
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Umm.. The United States government never gave Bin Laden money. If you have verifiable information showing they did, then please post.
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Darius
Posts: 1741
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
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man, i hate this terrorist s***Well the australian government did contribute to invading 2 f***ing countries so I wouldnt be the least suprised if anything would potentially happen last edited by Darius at 20:05:58 12/Mar/04 |
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cycosis
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threer is the bigger picture here, doesn't people see that? i'm trying to man, but they ran outta tin-foil hats down at the local surplus store. |
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natslovR
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Well the australian did contribute to invading 2 f***ing countries so I wouldnt be the least suprised if anything would potentially happenIn the last decade we have invaded three countries, don't you forget it, because the islamic extremists certainly haven't. |
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cycosis
Posts: 727
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ah the world according to religious extremists, how novel.
i've been thinking about the terrorist problem (mainly suicide bombers) and how to solve it. i came to the same conclusion that you wrote nats, the only way is to kill them. it's time to level the playing field, while all you armchair politicians and historians talking about whats 'righteous' or that we've 'brought it upon ourselves', those poor folk in madrid just copped a hammering. basically there needs to be a policy whereby terrorists or suspected terrorists are monitored and tracked. once reasonable evidence has been gathered in regards to that persons belief, intention or membership to certain groups, then a military unit of some kind is sent in to execute them. no judge, no jury, no innocent until proven guilty, no wait for the first offence. if they are monitored and proven to have relations with known terrorists then its kill time. i'm pretty sure after some period of time people would second guess joining and being affiliated with certain groups, in fact the very act of being affiliated with such groups would be outlawed (punishment: death). it's time to stop being f***ing pussies and playing by their rules, they arent humans and they dont f***in deserve no justice, except the sweet justice only a 5.56mm round can deliver. it would work ladies, even if you'd have to turn a blind eye because you have a weak stomach for that certain thing. there is no other alternative. its like a sport or a game, we have to control the tempo, we have to control the rules, we have to methodically kill the known terrorists until there are none left, and then work on the 'suspects'. we must stop them before they can even begin to plan one of their 'missions'. (thread starts now) last edited by cycosis at 20:24:48 12/Mar/04 |
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Darius
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you must have been living under a rock cycosis because something like that already exists
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trog
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i came to the same conclusion that you wrote nats, the only way is to kill them.Why don't we just get the f*** out of their countries and let them kill themselves, if that's what they want to do? All the other countries can just open their borders to people that what to emigrate from these third world s***hole deathtraps, we can employ them to drive taxis and all the other stuff at minimum wage, as is our wont to do, and then eventually all that will be left is the radical psychos suiciding bombing each other off the face of the earth! Then we can just waltz in without needing tanks, send all the people back to their newly (self-)liberated countries, and watch the cash roll in! asically there needs to be a policy whereby terrorists or suspected terrorists are monitored and tracked.There are several good arguments about why this is almost 100% not possible in Bruce Shneier's Crypto-Grams. Unfortunately, you usually don't know who is a terrorist until you're scraping them and their victims up into a bucket. 'm pretty sure after some period of time people would second guess joining and being affiliated with certain groups, in fact the very act of being affiliated with such groups would be outlawed (punishment: death).We're talking about people that, in order to carry out their mission, are quite happy to die themselves. Suicide bombers are obviously a dime a dozen in the middle east. I don't think the death threat really scares them much. |
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cycosis
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the israel/palestine conflict is slightly different, because it takes place in two clearly defined borders (the border that seperates them isnt quite yet defined).
however i'm talking on an inter-country scale, you dont see news about a terrorist who was hiding away in france getting his brains blown out because he was planning something now do you. the force would be able to move in and out of countries unrestricted to carry out the task, none of this sovereignty bulls***. |
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Reverend Evil
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It's pretty f***ed up what happened. Hopefully it wont happen here but I guess s*** like this can go down anywhere. If I was given the chance I would kill as many terrorists as possible and I wouldn't feel bad about killing another human.
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cycosis
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Unfortunately, you usually don't know who is a terrorist until you're scraping them and their victims up into a bucket. basically you start with monitoring a known terrorist, then everyone he meets with, and everyone they meet with, and everyone they meet with etc. the resources needed for it are huge esp humanint. granted that many ppl do not have a past history of involvement in terrorism prior to their first encounter, and that can not be helped. however does that mean we shouldnt bother at all with the known terrorists if we're just gonna have these random a******s doing the same thing? We're talking about people that, in order to carry out their mission, are quite happy to die themselves. Suicide bombers are obviously a dime a dozen in the middle east. I don't think the death threat really scares them much. understood, but we should encourage them to meet their god in the afterlife ON OUR TERMS rather than theirs. we have to start somewhere, we can't get into a state of mind where it becomes too big a mess to bother cleaning up for 20 years. its already gone on for too long hasnt it? |
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nF
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Anyone who thinks its a bad idea to go after terrorists and bomb the f*** out of them is an asshat. Take a look at the us right now, al qaeda couldn't organise a party popper on american soil. Yet clearly they are trying, but they've been frightened away from america to weaker targets.
If someone grabs your girlfriend's arse in a nightclub, you punch them in the head, clearly thats going to have a greater result than glaring at them and asking them to stop. Extremists aren't rational, they don't care about political favours or peace. They respect power, and their power comes from their acts of terror. You either knock them the f*** out or you let them walk all over you. |
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trog
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however does that mean we shouldnt bother at all with the known terrorists if we're just gonna have these random a******s doing the same thing?How long has everyone been looking for Osama?!!?@ With the advent of the Internet and strong, publicly available encryption - its pretty damn hard to catch these guys. This is further proven by this horrible incident in Spain. Personally, I'd rather we go after the root cause - why are these people so pissed off in the first place, and what can "we" (ie, the nations that are incurring the wrath of the terrorists) do to make them stop? The more of them you kill, the more martyrs you're going to make. Its not like Germany in 1944, where tanks rolled into the streets of Berlin - the "heart" of the evil. You can't just subjugate a whole nation and have the problem go away (again, proven by today's attack - what good did the war on Iraq do if this is the result?) |
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Deadly-Fly
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the force would be able to move in and out of countries unrestricted to carry out the task, none of this sovereignty bulls***.So what, like what america does now? There are so many terrorist organisations that stand for so many different things that is impossible to contain them all. Just look at the KKK, they're a terrorist organisation that has operated in America since the emancipation proclamation but if this force of yours was to wipe them out people would be in an uproar about freedom of speech. |
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mooby
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im going to bareclona in may for the grand prix :S
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nF
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Personally, I'd rather we go after the root cause - why are these people so pissed off in the first place, and what can "we" (ie, the nations that are incurring the wrath of the terrorists) do to make them stop? Why should we let these f***s dictate how we run our own countries? |
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verticalseafoodtaco
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Trog you are speaking in much too broader terms for what you are saying to have any real meaningful value. If this was carried out by ETA the majority of what you have said has no bearing on what has just happened in Spain.
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mooby
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london underground will be hit soon i reckon. something like 2million people use the tube each day. Peak hour, there would be over 1000 on platform. Big stations have 8 or so platforms.
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cycosis
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How long has everyone been looking for Osama?!!?@ osama isnt physically carrying out the attacks, so in my opinion he isnt that dangerous. the fanatics and extremists who plan and carry out these attacks are the problem, they'd be doing it if osama was captured or free. definately the root cause must be addressed. what is the root cause? i think the problem is the leadership of the US, i do not lay blame soley on george bush, more it is his administration as a whole that definately screwed up big time. the cause to go into iraq (to get rid of saddam) was the right one, but the means in which they went in (deception about real intentions) was wrong. is it so f***ing bad to care as human beings for one another, that when we see a fellow man being oppressed under a certain regime, that we shouldn't stop it? but to lie and create false evidence to 'justify' the war is wrong. i would have been happy with "we're going in there to remove saddam because he's being a bastard to fellow humans". instead the leader and his administration of the free world had to lie. what kind of example does that set for everyone else? what will remedy the situation is a REAL LEADER as president. how long has it been since a real leader was in the white house? someone who's actions and words inspired us to whatever cause needed to be addressed. i think the problem is that the US has had too many bad leaders in recent times, each small error has slowly added up and is now creating a snowballing effect. So what, like what america does now? way to miss the point, i dont segregate people based on nationalities, we're all human beings. thats why i suggested something the UN would have control over. a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of where they were born or where they currently live. |
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nF
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ETA denied having anything to do with it, and some ay-rabs claimed to have done it.
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| #55 10:52pm 12/03/04 |
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Obes
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I blame suhaib
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Darius
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what will remedy the situation is a REAL LEADER as president. how long has it been since a real leader was in the white house? someone who's actions and words inspired us to whatever cause needed to be addressed.Unfortunately the days of Churchil, Eisenhower, Kennedy and even Hitler or Stalin are long gone so you wont be seeing that again. As for the administration you are right there ... the same men that were behind the first gulf war had their fingers in the second iraqi invasion, the presidents were just puppets of the games |
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Darius
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A good example is Paul Wolfowitz, he has been in the administration for what ... about 12-14 years now, its somewhat interesting that being a jew himself he insisted throughout these years that the Iraqi must be brought down
eg http://www.counterpunch.org/ruebner03142003.html http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/10/JerusPost021003.html last edited by Darius at 23:00:59 12/Mar/04 |
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BigZub
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shutup obes. also i promised myself along time ago, i won't involve myself in these threads. headache ++;
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verticalseafoodtaco
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What does him being a jew have to do with it?
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hast
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Neoconservative is the secret code word for jooooo! |
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| #61 11:13pm 12/03/04 |
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nF
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i think the problem is the leadership of the US, i do not lay blame soley on george bush, more it is his administration as a whole that definately screwed up big time. the cause to go into iraq (to get rid of saddam) was the right one, but the means in which they went in (deception about real intentions) was wrong. is it so f***ing bad to care as human beings for one another, that when we see a fellow man being oppressed under a certain regime, that we shouldn't stop it? The same problem is mirrored everywhere, and its not the US or Bush or anything like that. Its that these minority groups want power, but i'm not talking about power like its cheesecake. These people want things their way, they have an idea of what they want and they won't take anything less. Its kinda similar to what happens in some random south east asian country every couple of months, someone gets some mates with guns, and steps up to the guy in charge. They aren't inherently evil, just extremely single minded. They might even think they are doing a GOOD THING. what will remedy the situation is a REAL LEADER as president. how long has it been since a real leader was in the white house? someone who's actions and words inspired us to whatever cause needed to be addressed. Clearly you missed the whole September 11 becomes the War on Terror thing. 80% support or something he had. Don't mistake someone doing something you don't agree with for them being a bad leader. |
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Darius
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Al Gore and the democrats were very much opposed to George Bush seniors and juniors administrative teams ... I wonder what would have happened if Al Gore was president, would 9/11 have ever happened ? if einstein was still around he would give me a time machine so i could see for myself :)
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Clearly you missed the whole September 11 becomes the War on Terror thing. 80% support or something he had. Don't forget how he drummed up the support *cough* weapons of mass destruction *cough* |
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verticalseafoodtaco
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Darius that is a ridiculous statement, they had been preparing for years for 9/11, the flight training everything, ludacris! I don't think anyone should bother taking darius seriously anymore
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Darius
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have a nice glass of FYAD
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hast
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Bush knew! |
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verticalseafoodtaco
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Have fun with your tinfoil and jewish conspiracies crazyface. |
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hast
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Don't be so harsh, he has to blame someone. |
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cycosis
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Clearly you missed the whole September 11 becomes the War on Terror thing. 80% support or something he had. Don't mistake someone doing something you don't agree with for them being a bad leader. and what about his support now? actions speak louder than words. its very easy to get support in times of national crisis, all you need is a half decent speechwriter. i dont see where i disagreed about what he did. i already stated i agreed with him going into iraq, however i do not agree with the circumstances in which he made his case for war. it was misleading and someone who is the 'leader of the free world' should set a better example. |
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nF
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if Al Gore was president, would 9/11 have ever happened ? Dumb statement. W was sworn in maybe 8 or 9 months before the towers fell. The attacks were well planned. I'd guess over 2 years before they happened, considering they had to select all the newbs and train them to fly planes. The democrats of the past administrations are probably just as much to blame for the arab opinion of america as the republicans. In fact GB Sr got loads of brownie points for sending Saddam packing in the Gulf war. |
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One novel thing the Russians came up with was to counter islamic terrorism was the proposal to bury any terrorist that dies in confrontration with them wrapped in pig carcasses, and recently some jewish religious group has approved the storing of pig lard on school buses (despite jewish dislike for pig). i.e. you blow up this bus and no virgins for you.
The biggest problem with wahabi islam seems to be that it has run unchecked for so long. These mosques spew nothing but hate out on their people, and their people are prepared to die - with the greatest honor going to those who die standing on the bodies of infidels, no matter if they are men, women or children who were just going about their daily lives - for they are still filth. If you are interested in the evil that is coming out of these major mosques in the muslim world, have a read around Memri, they regularly transcribe the main sermons for the week and have a lot of analysis on extremist islam. |
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lmnt
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i dont think muslims did it, lets see; a white van, full of detenators, with muslim contents in it, parked outside the station. wow, what a f***ing coincidence. if theyre gonna make it that f***ing obvious why dont they claim responsibility.
*red-neck voice* coo wee, must be them darn, meus-lims again cleatus! the only thing you can beleive about any terrorist attack, is that there was an explosion, thats it, not who did it because its probably bs. the rest of the bull s*** about muslims is racial hate mongering, for all we know, it could be george bush and a gang of gay liberalists. Obviously muslims are the easiest to blame, and for some reason some sick fags want people to blame them, which is f***ing s***. |
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lmnt
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oh i heard about the email that was sent, how sophisticated, theyre really using modern technology.
"message to: arab_informant@newspaper.com; from: Sexy_terrorist680@hotmail.com: message: ```LOL! this is not SPAM!!!``` Contains: yea hi, umm you know that bomb blast in spain, we did it, yes us the muslims. we have no reason's for it, ummmm, were just going to blow up a train and dont have any explaination for it, even though were fighting for a cause, which we always forget to mention when we act violently and try to make a statement. (haha silly us, we always forget, can you beleive that LOL!!! :):D) anyway, my internet time is running out, could you please tell the rest of the world that we did it, and dont forget to mention were muslims. sincerely, (muslim)terrorist. P.S please mention were muslims, of the islamic religion. muslims. dont forget. last edited by lmnt at 01:12:50 13/Mar/04 |
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What are you some freemasonic zionist hebrew of a jewI was under the impression that Freemasons were typically anti-semitic. |
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If it walks and talks like a duck, then it probably is.
Have you ever visited a muslim country or experienced muslim culture? |
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lmnt
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yes. i have alot of muslims freinds, also, me and some freinds of mine have all been in arabic countries, and exposed to things you wouldnt hear about on the news.
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sheesh
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lmnt
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save you teh trouble trawg :D
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how about we just say these attacks were some really bad s***, and let's hope the perpertrators get what they deserve ie. not virgins.
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natslovR
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The alqeda linked group that claimed responsibility for this attack is the same one that claimed responsibility for the blackout in the US last year.
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Which is crazy natslovR, next they will be claiming responsibility for an earthquake in California.
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natslovR
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yes, i know it's crazy.
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nF
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f***ing aliens claimed responsibility for those blackouts.
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Spook
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alqeda did it
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The government are now saying they think its Al-quaida
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