A new review at Voodoo extreme on the upcoming release of EVE-Online - The second genesis, a revolutionary space sim MMORPG.

MMORPGs have become one of the latest trends in the gaming world. In the next year and a half, we will see the release of some greatly anticipated titles that will create stiff competition in the field. "Eve: The Second Genesis” by CCP Games is a MMORPG that is sure to be a standout in the crowd and cause a few heads to turn as well.

They have some exclusive screenshots and a massive video showing in game cuts and interviews with the developers, a must download.

Eve online has just been re-scheduled to first quater next year.

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I got this on pre-order ^^

Admin.. news? mabey? o.O;

Sounds cool, their site is so schlow though :(

s*** aye. that looks really f***en good.

If there's an open beta, i'm definately in :)

Yeh, couldent stream the movie :/

I just downloaded it.

ppfftt, it just wants to be Earth And Beyond.

Up till now I hadn't heard anything good about Eve at all from some of the people I know who are in the closed beta. Apparently its pvp hell. All zones in the game except for the newbie zones pk zones, so as soon as you step outside your newbie zone you die horribly from some uber level guy who likes to gank newbies for the hell of it. I've never been a fan of games like that.

Yeh, Earth And Beyond and it's uber Pink ships...

Not forgetting its awesome graphics and all..

http://www.evegate.net/gallery/categories/ECTS/ECTS_Screenshots/media/image4.jpg<-- EVE not to mention you can customized EVERYTHING on your character..

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/aug02/e&b02.html <-- E&B..

nup, the whole e&b thing is just an tryhard attempt at a space sim. EVE is HUGE 5000 solar systems, 100,000 player limit on 1 server farm (no spilt servers) Huge stratagy based engine. stupidly customisable ships, and characters. *NO LEVELING* and *NO EXP* the skill based system rocks.

Also EVE is MENT to be a pvp environment, and as the beta testing stage moves on they will better ballance the environment so that newbie killing simply won't occour. Plus as the huge defence/bounty hunter Coperations will enter the game and the pirates/assasins will have a harder time conducting raids on people.

http://www.ebportal.com/gallery/gallery/eandb/ships/defender.jpg <-- E&B

http://www.evegate.net/gallery/categories/Screenshots/Ships/media/ab1shots4.jpg <-- eve

Apart from the fact E&B is actually out and Eve has been "coming soon" for the last 4 years :)

E&B has a great world, with an awesome storyline behind it, and actually exists. I've been seeing pretty screenshots and pretty movies of EVE for the last 3 or 4 years, most of them not looking an awful lot like full blown ingame shots, but instead looking very "set up". EVE has made promise after promise after promise and still shown nothing for it.

For now I'm going to enjoy E&B and in 6 months time (and thats probably an optimistic figure) when EVE comes out, if it is actually any good and not just all hype and vapours, I might play it too. For the moment though, theres really not much competition :)

Those E&B screenshots look pretty low res too, when I get home I'll take a few of my own, its actually quite a pretty game. Some of the effects on the ship abilities are pretty awesome too.

hmm.. Khel: Just make sure you have a look at the video off that site if you haven't already. it has some awesome ingame footage live. (ohh and acroding to CCP it has almost NEVER 'touched up' any of its screenshots. They are all in game.

In fact, Trog if you see this recon you could get an Ausgamers mirror for it ?

Or should i be a good little boi and request it lol

Yeah, I'll have to get the video when I get home, I'm on a dialup connection at the moment :(

I guess I'm just a bit cynical these days about games which promise the world and then never eventuate, its happening far too often. If EVE really does end up rocking though, I'll be there :) E&B is far from perfect, I mean, its a great game and theres nothing I really find "wrong" with it (apart from maybe the lack of high level content, which will hopefully be addressed), but theres a lot of scope to take it further. I mean, its pretty much the first mmorpg of its type, but its really whet my appetite. I dont think I could go back to the same old fantasy based "run around and hack things up with a sword" style mmorpg after playing E&B. Space is just so much cooler :)

Yeh, thats whats got me hooked on EVE. I REALLY hope eve is all its cracked up to be, I have been hanging around on the forums, reading up on just about every artical about it and everything is pointing to it really being a out of this world game (quite litraly!)

And that movie from voodoo extreme only confermed that in my opinion. Has some really neat footage.

How does it work without levelling and XP?

You don't 'level' in EVE and there is no EXP. It has a skill based system where you can learn skills to do with almost any aspect of the game. This includes uprading skill at using turrets lets say.. So you are better at controlling your turrets.

When you are pod killed (you don't die right away if your ship gets blown up, you eject in a pod) you could loose a lot of youre skills unless you have a good clone waiting for you.

If you don't have a clone you are given a substandard free one, and you loose heaps of skill.

You can 'learn' skill even when you are 'offline' as ingame you never leave, youre ship will always be where ever you left it (and prone to attack)

You can also buy cybernetic implants that give you extra skills but if you are pod killed you will lose them.

Also, you will need to have a good ship, You can upgrade your ship using blueprints. Blueprints are hard to aquire and are normaly kept within high level coperations.. (ship building coperations at that - all player run mind you.)

Pirates/assasins need to buy thier technology.. as they are normaly freelancers.. or in small groups.. But can somtimes strike a deal with a coperation by 'helping' them be rid of another coperations miners in some sector.

(gotta goto class now, ill explain more when i get there.)

khel: thats why you group up with others, safety in numbers yunno. Also, they started production in 2000, so u haven't been seeing movies for 4 years - maybe you're thinking of freelancer? They have a closed beta running at the moment and is due to be released 1st quarter 2003.

I don't like earth and beyond because the graphics are too catoony, and also because combat is all based on experience or whatever and u dont actually fight, which is s***.

Eve has a lot more going for it imo, the only thing I found disappointing is the fact you cant land on planets, its all in space.

This, world of warcraft, and simcity4 are on my to buy list.

Also, they started production in 2000

No, they started long before then, I remember people getting excited about Eve back in '97 - '98. They may have only started work on it's present incarnation in 2000, but its been around in one form or another, promising all sorts of things over the years.

Actual combat in an mmorpg, while nice, would pretty much make it completely unplayable to anyone who wasn't getting a great ping to the servers. Try playing a game that requires split second reactions and real time control with a 600ms ping, because thats generally what we in Australia get to most mmorpgs, 400 to 600ms pings. Which is why pretty much all the mmorpg use the current method of combat, its the only currently viable way.

well in the movie they say production began in may 2000, and I think they would know when they started making the game...

the type of gameplay eve shows, isn't very fast paced, ships have turrets rather than fixed weapons, and so ping wouldn't be as important.

f*** that site is slow i gave iup and i'm on uncapped optus cable here!

the type of gameplay eve shows, isn't very fast paced, ships have turrets rather than fixed weapons, and so ping wouldn't be as important.

So how is that any different from the combat in E&B?

im all for games like these;

the world needs less nerds outside;

bahahahaha

that's a good advertisement for mmorpg's

Keep your nerds off the street and locked in their homes for hours buy this game (insert random mmorpg here)

lol

argh.. couldent get to a browser durring class..

o well...

AUsgamers hosting for this video thats on the site? - http://www.filefront.com/?filepath=/ve3d/EVE_Online_behind_the_scenes_hq.wmv

Not like im trying to revive this thread or anything ¬_¬; but how many people actualy downloaded that video.. i thought there may have been a wider response.. I really thought that video was insane even for people that wouldent like MMORPGs or space sims.. just for the intrest in the technology behind it.

And insight into a game dev house in iceland.

I thought it looked v.cool and s*** all over E&B IMO :)

I didnt watch much of the video though, (stupid optus), but the screenshots were definately promising (and most 'in-game' screenshots make them look pathetic).

The in-game footage looked very nice as well :)

I would definately play this game if it wasn't pay-to-play, unfortnately, no such thing for MMORPG, and its 9,000,000:1 chance that it wont be pay-to-play (that is, it WILL be pay-to-play)

I really liked the hyper space footage, cruising up at huge speed and this little dot getting closer and closer suddenly turns into a planet.

man that looked mad

Personally, I don't really like the idea of a mmorpg being set in space, but the graphics and customizables in that look really nice. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

Tf2 looked pretty awesome from the screenshots and movies too. Duke Nukem forever looked pretty awesome too!

Its easy to deliver pretty screenshots and movies, when you dont have to produce a finished product to back it up.

I'm not saying Eve will be a bad game, but I find it quite funny people still do the "OMG! IT OWNS E&B!" type of thing, when one is a game that is finished, released, and being played and the other one is still just a pretty promise.

I remember before that Jurassic Park game, Tresspasser came out, people were trying to convince me it would be the most awesome game ever, and the developers said their engine could render huge world where you could see far into the distance, and it'd be revolutionary, etc, etc. And guess what, it was all bulls***.

You just like E&B too mucy khel... thats your problem ;)

Nah, E&B is good for the moment, I dont know if I'll still be playing it in 6 months from now, but at the moment, I'm enjoying it. I'm just sick of hype. Every game that gets hyped up these days either becomes vaporware or turns out to be crap. EVERY game I have looked forward to recently has disappointed me greatly, because it never lives up to what we are led to expect through cunningly put together movie footage and screenshots. We are manipulated to believe one thing about a game, then buy it and are left with a very bitter taste in our mouths.

Its true, I like Earth and Beyond, and thats not to say Eve will be a bad game, but I'm sick of people using the "sif you'd bother about game X when game Y is coming out soon and its gonna own (cos I've seen screenshots)" arguments. Its done all the time now and its really pointless. The two are not mutually exclusive, its not like some life and death choice, its not like its a one time offer. Heres a newsflash, PEOPLE CAN PLAY BOTH GAMES IF THEY WANT TO.

Like people telling me I shouldn't bother playing E&B or Daoc because Star Wars Galaxies is coming out in a year. WHO CARES. In a year's time, I might care, when it comes out, I might play it, but why should I sit on my ass not playing the games that are out right now and having fun right now?

Khel: yes but I really don't think this will be a letdown. I guess we will have to wait and see i spose but from everything i have seen/read/heard this is going to rock my world.

Hell I was hooked on stars!2 for AGGES and the only 'graphics' it had were dots and triangles to represent ships n stuff.

when one is a game that is finished, released, and being played and the other one is still just a pretty promise.

its not a friggin promise, theres people playing the beta now dude...

You might wanna read the FAQ Khel:
http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_01.asp

heres a lil snip regarding newbies in eve:

Newbies will have the option of staying in zones with high security levels, heavily patrolled by police ships and sentry guns. The zones with lower security levels will be more lucrative in terms of gains and opportunities, giving players the incentive to venture into more unsecure zones as they become stronger. When — and if — they decide to take such a risk is up to each player. The most powerful characters of various professions, merchants, miners, pirates, bounty hunters etc. will all be able to maximize their profits in the uncontrolled regions where no laws apply, provided they are able to hold their own against other players who might profit from their deaths.

Also, I suggest you guys read this: Its really cool it gives you an idea of what eve could be like depending on your career path:

http://board.eve-online.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7506

You haven't played many massively multiplayer games before have you? Unless EVE truly is something completely new and a whole new type of game (which I have trouble swallowing, because in the end its about making money and radical ideas wont get you a huge fanbase and make you a lot of money), its still going to stick within established mmorpg paradigms.

That whole "newbies can stay in safe areas for the whole game if they want" stuff is spun by nearly every mmorpg that has ever had pvp, and its always a crock of s***. Sure, you can stay in the safe areas, if you dont ever want to level your character up to a significant level or do anything interesting. Pure bs.

EVE might be good, but I'm going to wait until I've actually seen the actual game and not the hype (and by actual game I mean I am sitting in front of it playing it, not some preview video). I've seen far far too many of these games promise big things which end up turning out to be completely untrue/dropped from the game, or are just spun so far out of proportion by marketing hype that its stupid.

From reading that FAQ, I can see how people could rapidly become pissed off with being pvp'd. Your ship gets blown up, you lose your cargo and extra bits you have on it, then they shoot your capsule and you fully die and get resurrected as a clone and lose a godawful amount of skills, etc.

Sure, it says you can buy your own high quality clones, but I'm betting they cost a pretty penny, and along with buying stuff for your ship and having to pay to buy your skills (which sounds rather, well, dumb in my opinion), I can forsee many players being very very broke and unable to afford good quality clones.

The thing so many developers dont take into account when making their games is the lowest common denominator of player. They assume everyone is going to play the game the way it is intended and fulfill the vision they have, but it never works that way. You'll always have high level people who sit outside the exits of the newbie zones deliberately killing people just because they can. They get no financial or experience gain, they just do it cos they feel like it. I know that would pretty much be enough to make me give up the game if I was a newbie.

The thing is.. if you want to go about aimlessly killing people for the hell of it you will quickly be hunted by bounty hunter from near and far and you yourself will be up for a clone.

Plus if you are paying for a game such as EVE i think that you will want to take it to a more serious level than just randomly killing people.

Plus if you are paying for a game such as EVE i think that you will want to take it to a more serious level than just randomly killing people.

You would think that :) But theres some seriously annoying people out there. People pay for DaoC and Ultima Online too, but it happens there all the time...

I dunno, I'm gonna wait to see what its like, just because I'm pointing out bad points in it doesn't mean I dont think its got a lot of potential and lot of equally good points also, I'm just trying to keep things in perspective. Maybe I'm just overly cynical, but I dont believe its going to be as world changing as they are leading us to believe.

Earth and Beyond has problems (no pvp at launch, not a lot of high level content, etc) but is still a good game. I'm sure even if EVE is a good game its going to have its share of problems also, its unavoidable when you're doing something on that scale, people seem to be very quick to forget that though and just focus on the good things and the juciy promises made by the developers.

Well yeh..

It will most likely come down to "We will see" But meh.. im an optomistic bloke ;)